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resolved Creator/MoringMark Page Getting Too Long Webcomic
The Creator Page for MoringMark is getting too long now, and needs to be split up into pages. Problem is, most of the things troped on the page relate to the various fancomics for Gravity Falls, Star vs. the Forces of Evil, and The Owl House, and while some of them do have specific names or series to them, those ones already have their own pages, with the ones on the creator page itself referring to various miscellaneous comics that, while stand alone, are largely connected in a sort of narrative that isn't definitively named.
So, how exactly should the page be split up, what namespaces should be used, should all of the series get their own pages or should only the largest one, The Owl House, get one, etc.
Edited by RebelFalconopenRepeated "They Wasted" misuse
YMMV.Pokemon Scarlet And Violet (again)
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: The idea of Paradox Pokémon was praised by many, except for the Future Pokémon. Many think that having them all as robotic or mechanical versions of their present-day counterparts is rather uncreative as they're very identical in appearance. Iron Thorns, Jugulis, and Leaves are commonly cited offenders. Compare this to Ancient Pokémon who were more well-received due to being based on a wider variety of prehistoric creatures. Miraidon itself was one of the few exceptions for looking completely different from Cyclizar and Koraidon while also being very expressive in its own right.
This is misuse as TWAPGP is unused plots not poorly used, which this is as the "plot", the Future Pokémon designs (also character designs seem shoehorns) being seen as untrusting/lazy compared to the Ancient Pokémon are. (Granted Miraidon avoiding these problem is the best argument I've seen for something about it being underused, but this still seems more like poor use, not unused.)
I've previously cut it
from They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character for the same issue (about lack of screentime not poorly received designs). This is the third, maybe forth, time this has been added under "They Wasted" entries.
Permission to remove? Anything this issue might fit?
openEdit war on Awesome.TheSuperMarioBrosMovie
Tropers.Blue Sun Studios modified this example to have spoiler markup to the page despite the notice that moments pages are Spoilers Off. Link
- A villainous example as Bowser's more stalwart and gung-ho koopa soldier steps out of the fiery remains of his vehicle and reveals himself to be the blue shell! He quickly takes himself out like the item proper, but this koopa was so unafraid of death that he immediately resorted to his life-ending blue shell tackle+explosion combo without a second thought to get one last shot at killing Mario.
Tropers.King Clark removed the spoiler markup only for Tropers.Blue Sun Studios to put at all back. Link
.
Add > Delete> Re-add constitutes an Edit War...
openLong Period EditWar on Character page for Katsuki Bakugo that I unknowingly contributed to.
On March 5th, 2022
, Million Hypotheses removed the trope The Not-Love Interest from My Hero Academia - Katsuki Bakugo with no edit reason.
- The Not-Love Interest: For Midoriya. Bakugo is one of Midoriya's primary motivators and sources of inspiration, and saving or helping him has been Midoriya's primary motivation in four arcs,note The Introduction, Final Exams, Forest Training Camp, and Hideout Raid Arcs as well as the reason behind their second fight. Midoriya even reacts with goofy smiles when Bakugo praises him after their second fight and worries about him during the Joint Training Arc and both refer to each other by childish nicknames. Insulting Bakugo to Midoriya's face is a good way to make Midoriya fly off the handle, and due to Midoriya's Psychoactive Powers is extremely dangerous.
On August 13th, 2022
, Rebel Falcon (Me) removed the entry, unknowingly for the second time, citing trope misuse with the following edit reason.
On October 2nd, 2022
, spaceforests restored the entry again, which has since remained untouched aside from the following addition to the entry.
Once again, I had no idea I was perpetuating an Edit War, and originally came to ATT thinking spaceforests had started an Edit War by restoring the entry after I removed it, only to learn about the prior removal and addition beforehand.
Regardless though, I do feel the entry itself is trope misuse, as none of the details cited are traits exclusive to the love interest, when one of the parameters of the trope is "This trope often represents a Subversion of one or more Love Interest tropes, or tropes that normally lead to a character becoming a Love Interest, such as Rescue Romance.", and multiple traits listed are just traits Izuku Midoriya has as a character overall, especially since he does have traits exclusive to his canonical love interest, Ochako Uraraka, that he doesn't share with anyone else, like their Twice Shy behavior, or being able to confide in one another in a way they can't do with anyone else like in their shared desire to save villains but thinking it makes them weird to everyone else.
...And I know it's begging, but please don't suspend me for this! I swear to God that I didn't know it was an already existing Edit War back when I removed it, and now that I do know I openly declare I would have never removed it had I known without going to ATT first! I can even offer evidence I was just focusing on the trope misuse! I had brought it up on the forum
when someone accused me of removing it out of spite, and was told by a mod then and there to keep it to ATT.
resolved StatusEffects, StatusInflictionAttack, and NonDamagingStatusInflictionAttack
On Dawncaster, I had previously written three different examples for Status Effect, Status Infliction Attack, and Non-Damaging Status Infliction Attack. They were as follows:
- Non-Damaging Status Infliction Attack: Some cards allow you to apply one of the several Status Effects to the enemy without dealing any damage. These are useful because such cards typically apply more stacks (4-5) of the status effect because there's no damage. Most Status Infliction Attacks only apply 2-3 stacks or make the number of stacks applied equal to the amount of damage inflicted, meaning that Armored foes or foes with Impervious would not be affected.
- Status Effects: There are several in the game, both ailments and buffs. This trope however, will only focus on ailments and other non-standard status effects. To see what buffs are available, see Status Buff.
- Bleeding - Attacks do an additional +1 bleed damage per stack of bleed
- Brittle - the afflicted takes +1 damage from melee strikes per stack of Brittle
- Burn - per each stack of Burn deal 1 damage at the end of the afflicted's turn
- Charmed - if the afflicted's HP falls below the number of stacks of Charmed on them, they die automatically
- Dazed - Counts down for each card played. At zero, Stun takes effect, preventing all further actions that turn.
- Deep Wound - if the afflicted accumulates 5 Deep Wounds, they automatically die
- Frozen - Decrease the damage from all attack cards by 1 per stack of Frozen
- Jinx - Nullify the next card played
- Poison - the afflicted loses 1 HP per stack of Poison whenever they play a card
- Slow - Add 1 stack every time the afflicted plays a card. Increase the cost of the next cards drawn by 1 per stack of Slow
- Status Infliction Attack: Several cards allow you to both deal damage and afflict one of the many status ailments to the enemy. For example, one of the starting cards for the Arcanist, Frost Shard, does damage and afflicts the enemy with the Frozen status ailment for every point of damage that landed.
The logic was that the status effects listed can be applied both with an attack and without. So describing them generally under status effects and including a more specific example for Damaging/Non-Damaging Infliction Attacks made the most sense to me.
MaLady edited the page
by removing Status Effects and merging what was written under it into Status Infliction Attack, because in their eyes, since status effects can only be applied either with an attack or not, you wouldn't list Status Effects as it's the Super-Trope of Non-Damaging Status Infliction Attack and Status Infliction Attack. While I understand the point in general on Super-Trope / Sub-Trope rules on examples list, placing the list of status effects under Status Infliction Attack makes it seem to me like these are the status effects that can only be applied via an attack, when really, these are all of the status effects that can be applied with or without a direct attack.
I was going to leave it more or less alone, and just edit the page to add a few effects that I missed, but some of the new ones would necessitate bringing back Status Effect since they are an effect you apply to yourself that doesn't directly buff your character (so they wouldn't fall under Status Buff either). But it also seems odd to me to bring back Status Effect and not list all of the statuses under it as it were before and describing them neutrally. So, I wanted to know what others' thoughts were on this before editing the page.
Edited by amathieu13openFandom rivalry discussion
Hello. I recently deleted the following examples of Fandom Rivalry and Friendly Fandoms from DC Animated Movie Universe.
- Fandom Rivalry: A minor example with the Tomorrowverse, considering that most fans of the DCAMU are fans of DC's animated films in general, but some DCAMU fans have expressed disappointment that the franchise ended not long after Growing the Beard as they feel there were more stories this franchise could tell. In contrast fans of Tomorrowverse feel that the DCAMU only had a few genuinely good films, with the rest either being mediocre at best or boring at worst, while the new Shared Universe is a breath of fresh air that doesn't limit itself to one specific era of DC's history as well as having a reduced focus on Batman (who appeared in the first eight DCAMU films while five films in the Tomorrowverse has only used him for his two-parter).
- Friendly Fandoms:
- After the release of Justice League Dark: Apokolips War fans of this franchise have bonded with fans of the early Darker and Edgier DC Extended Universe movies, particularly those directed by Zack Snyder. A number of these fans have praised Apokolips War as the closest thing they'll likely get to Snyder's original five-film arc (which was Cut Short due to the financial underperformance of Snyder's films relative to their massive budgets).
- Since most fans grew up watching the DCAU it's unsurprising that the two fandoms get along. Most of the DCAU fans see the DCAMU as a more mature alternative to their own fandom now that they are all adults.
- Despite the above mentioned Fandom Rivalry with the Tomorrowverse, there are DCAMU fans who either enjoy both for their differences, or hope that the Tomorrowverse is the post-Apokolips War timeline that could continue the story of the DCAMU.
My argument is that those are not separate fandoms. It's literally DC fans disagreeing over which films based on the same property are good or bad.
brightfan99, who added the examples, has contacted me via PM and argues that DC should be seen as a cluster of smaller fandoms. As an example, they mentioned how fans of the Christopher Reeve Superman don't like the Henry Cavill version and vice-versa.
Requesting other tropers' opinions to settle this discussion.
openThe Slender Man Mythos cleanup
During the discussion for misuse and debatable use
of Slender Man Stand In, there was an idea from Warjay about the cleanup for Franchise.The Slender Man Mythos. I would like to bring this up due to the "nature" of the page in question, as not only is the page simply collecting media related to the Slender Man (regardless of their canon story) but the page is simply stating how broad and unique the universe is despite being otherwise.
Suggestions would be welcome if a possible cleanup is worth it (and if the Slenderman himself is worth keeping in the wiki).
resolved Self-promotey language on creator page
sorry for the double post; coming across some things while wick cleaning.
Creator.Corgipon has some rather non-neutral and self-promotey language in its description, such as (emphasis mine):
- "Corgipon" is an American hobbyist web author, web artist, and somewhat underrated You Tuber."
- Her videos are often known for being either Pocketville-centric or Queen-centric, which she considers her special interests. These videos used to look quite amateur, but as for the latest video, she has shown to have adequate editing skills.
- She has also shown to have knowledge in the Japanese language, as shown in her Japanese fandubs of Adventures in Pocketville and an unofficial Japanese cover of the ending theme. The former turns out to have much better lip-syncing than the official dubbings.
Looking at the edit history and 1) the troper who created and wrote the page was Vanilla Flare and 2) Vanilla Flare is Corgipon, shown by this edit [1]
that Vanilla Flare later removed[2]
.
Is this ok/not against any site policy? Should these be re-written to be more neutral?
Edited by amathieu13openDuplicate page
I'm not sure if this would be better suited for the Copy/Paste thread, since it's a copy/paste of content within TV Tropes itself, but the description for WebAnimation.Cupcakes Sergeant Sprinkles as well as the majority of the trope examples, page quote and image caption are almost word-for-word copies of those on the page for the fanfiction it's based on, changed just enough to reflect that it's talking about the video rather than the fic. Is there anything that should be done about this?
resolved Potential edit war
A Leaning on the Fourth Wall example was added to this page
that mentions that "a character considers himself to live in a story in which he's the main character". Because that sounds more like Medium Awareness than anything, I changed the trope name, while also cleaning up other mistakes on the page. The same troper who added the example changed the trope name back
to Leaning on the Fourth Wall because (paraphrased) "The character doesn't truly know he lives in a story. He just like to imagine he does."
Leaving aside how I was supposed to know the difference, would this be considered an edit war? The troper in question didn't PM me or add anything on the discussion page, they just changed the example back to how it was when they added it (even if it was just the name being changed).
Edited by UFOYeahopenUnfixed mistakes on a trope page.
fearlessnikki recently added examples to Remade and Improved that don't qualify for different reasons. I've messaged the troper responsible and gotten no response. I can't remove the bad examples myself because I'm currently banned from editing, and I can't directly ask someone else to do it because that would be editing-by-proxy.
I've asked about this in a couple places, and I was advised to ask about it here. What, if anything, can I do about it?
Edit: Examples as requested:
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.RemadeAndImproved#edit35149632
- Bridge to Terabithia, Carrie, and The Worst Witch are based on books and therefore ineligible.
- West Side Story is based on a Broadway musical and therefore ineligible.
- The Last House on the Left remake may be considered superior to the original by some, but not by a majority.
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.RemadeAndImproved#edit35150098
- Hunchback of Notre Dame is ineligible because it's based on a book. The troper even acknowledges the book's existence.
openRude Troper
I recently sent The Worst Amy a stock ZCE notifier over an edit
they made to the newly-launched Significant White Hair, Dark Skin and they accused me in a DM of being a no-lifer over it. The name itself seems familiar, and I suspect this is not the first time they've gotten nasty at people over routine etiquette checks.
openplug-in edit
So, a user with a plug-in edited Self-Fulfilling Prophecy to install the following:
- Frozen has infant Elsa injure Anna with her magic. When their parents take her to the trolls, the head troll warns them that Elsa's magic could be devastating if not controlled, and emphasizes the threat to Anna if she gets hit in the heart with ice magic. The parent's response is to lock Elsa away, to teach her what a threat she is, and to repeatedly tell her to repress her feelings and her magic so she doesn't hurt anyone. This causes Elsa to develop severe anxiety and fear about her powers, which in turn mean she is no longer able to control them. As a result, not only does one of her panic attacks freeze all of Arendelle, but guess how she accidentally almost kills Anna?
This edit also activated the plug-in (it changed the words Great Depression on the same page to Clutch Plague), and Fighteer did a system revert on the page to undo the plug-in, erasing this entry.
Should this be restored? I would have asked on the query that got the troper suspended, but that one was locked.
Edited by jameygameropenThe 20th Century, Part 2
Continuing from HERE
.
I originally meant for the page for The 20th Century to be an index, but due to Julian Lapostat's eloquent Wall of Text edits, it almost looks like a Useful Notes page, which was not supposed to. I had a disclaimer to keep it brief, which Julian missed the point, to put it bluntly. I'm still debating myself on whether I should turn it into a Useful Note or keep it as an index.
On another note, I trimmed much of his edits that were wordy and redundant, but I could only do much. There are some sentences and paragraphs that I couldn't abridge due to how complex the wording is. So, to be short and honest, can anyone help me shorten the description to be Clear Concise And Witty?
Edited by alnair20aug93openedit war about natter
22 jan, i deleted the following paragraph of natter in The Sociopath example in Characters.Frozen Prince Hans Westergaard Of The Southern Isles:
" But it's also zig-zagged here, as Word of God has explicitly described him by this term while emphasizing him as a Tragic Villain with a big Freudian Excuse, making it debatable to say if he is a sociopath or not. A Frozen Heart greatly emphasizes this as well as demonstrating there are people he genuinely cares for. It's implied he's only emulating his father's abrasiveness. In fact, his father may be a better description of this, as he doesn't care for his family unless they're useful to him, treats his subjects like trash, and reacts quite violently if they criticize him or fail to provide him with favors, money or food."
29 jan, njein added an other similar paragraph: "But A Frozen Heart reveals that Hans initially averted this, as his original goal was to permanently escape his abusive family and settle some place else quietly for good. But years of serving as his father's gofer and corrupting his own ethics out of a nigh-impossible desire of winning his father's respect, all led to his downwards spiral towards villainy."
I removed this as natter in the same day.
5 february, Duel Mark added the following paragraph with " added and altered to work better" as edit reason:"That said, Word of God has explicitly described him by this term while emphasizing him as a Tragic Villain with a big Freudian Excuse, making it debatable to say if he is a sociopath or not. A Frozen Heart greatly emphasizes this as well as demonstrating there are people he genuinely cares for and has self-loathing issues, aspects that sociopaths don't have. It's implied he's only emulating his father's abrasiveness."
Reading the edit history, i noted the edit war, sent a natter alert in 9 feb and waited by an answer.
Shortly after this, they deleted their more recent edit in the page with "not interested in discussion for now" as edit reason. I interpreted this as a permission and deleted the natter.
11 feb, Duel Mark re-added the paragraph and deleted half of the example with "Actually something important to mention, especially since it shows signs he's not a real sociopath" as edit reason.
openVideoGame/{{Overwatch}}: Retcon or not?
The 1st February 2018, Michael Chu told on Twitter and the forums
that D.va was never a starcraft professional, despite her being teased on a page that repertoried Starcraft pros, her bio on that site telling she became the 1 in the world at 16 and kept that title for three years, touring around the world, her announcer pack for Starcraft 2 telling the same thing
, multiple Blizzcon panels where that was told, and the game diretor himself calling her a Starcraft pro in an interview a month before the reveal.
Chu says that establishing her as a Starcraft pro was never the intention and that they were only trying new ways of teasing heroes.
Is this a retcon or not?
I ask because me and number9robotic are in a bit of an Edit War on whether or not it's a retcon.
Edited by cricri3007openJames Stewart Film
James Stewart, George Bailey himself, one of 20th Century's most famous Hollywood actors. Billed as "James Stewart" in every acting job he had from 1935 to 1991, except for a TV show that briefly ran in the early 70s.
His TV Tropes page is listed under Jimmy Stewart.
Before I go to the Trope Repair Shop I'd like to take the temperature for support of a rename.
openQuestionable addition
User Lunatic0verlord added this to the YMMV for the Black Bullet page.
- Moral Event Horizon: After the mob of cursed children haters slaughtered (either by bombing or lynching and possible raping, depending on which medium you follow) Rentaro's cursed children students, most sane persons simply can't bring themselves to understand their hatred or think that the humans who hate the cursed children could ever let go of their disdain towards them. Hell, many would be excused of wishing for a genocide.
His edit reasn stated; "I simply can't bring myself to think they could even possibly have a point in why the cursed children should be seen as monsters, anymore. Anything in me that said "well considering what they'll become and what they've been through, I can understand" is now as dead as those children... I WILL FUCKING SKIN THEM ALIVE AND HANG THEM BY THEIR OWN FUCKING ENTRAILS BEFORE FUCKING BURNING THEM ALIVE!!! FUCK THOSE MOTHERFUCKEEEEEEERRRRRRSSSS!!!!!! Sorry, I just have a lot of unstable and highly volatile feelings in me right now... None of those cuties deserved it, none of them *sob* NOT A FUCKING SINGLE ONE OF THEEEEEEEEEM!!! I'LL NEVER FORGIVE THOSE FUCKEEEEEEERRRRRSSSSS!!!!!!"
Not to sound jumpy, but this....kinda sounds concerning since the entry is very awkwardly worded and the edit reason is kinda.....yeah...
openTroper changing descriptions without discussion. Allowed?
Nutgunner is making some changes to trope descriptions and I'm not seeing any discussions on the topic. See their updates to Homing Projectile, My Hero, Zero and Copy Protection for example.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Nutgunner
They also modified an image caption (Stupid Crooks) and added a JAFAAC image (I Just Want to Be Loved). I sent notifiers for the image changes to direct them to IP. (Note that adding an image to the blank I Just Want to Be Loved isn't against the rules, but the image itself is JAFAAC. I made an IP thread to find a better image) Hopefully Nutgunner can participate.

mattmcc appears to have multiple issues with adding ZCE entries, tropeslashing and some weird use of spoiler tagging, including sometimes spoiler tagging the trope name itself and placing spoiler tags into descriptions above the trope lists. Examples of all these can be seen on Characters.RWBY Blake Belladonna dated the 26th March 2023. When I tried to clean up some of this (such as removing the tropeslashing), they added it back, so edit warred as well. Other tropers have cleaned up some of this, but the tropeslashing is still on the page — can I go ahead and remove that?
Edited to add: they seem to have issues on other pages as well, such as removing commented out tags on WebAnimation.Murder Drones page (8th April 2023) without adding any context to stop the entries from being ZCE or lacking citation references.
Edited by Wyldchyld