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openIffy reviews?
Do these reviews feel like self-promoting (not of the work, of the reviewer) or am I just paranoid?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/reviews.php?target_group=Webcomic&target_title=CycleOfLuv
openIs ElectricBlackGuy flexible enough to have Raoul of MegamanBattleNetwork as an example?
Is Electric Black Guy flexible enough to have Raoul of Mega Man Battle Network as an example? He can't make electricity himself, but has a Net Navi (Think Familiar) that controls electricity
Edited by MaladyopenNotEvilJustMisunderstood, seem to be greatly misundertood
I'm planing to remove many examples from it, and think it's better to post here for record first(because aside from my very recent post the last entry in discussion was from 2014).
I think the trope need better description. The current description put too much emphasis on "Not Evil" part but almost completely ignoring Just Misundertood part. From my impression, a character being "Not Evil" isn't as important as (people) "Just Misundertood" the chaarcter. In this trope context, "evil" is likely include "harmful/dangerous". Lets say we have a Classical Movie Vampire, the character may simply feed for sustain himself and not really malice (not evil), but there's no misunderstanding that he kill and feed on humans. So he can't be this trope, else the description of this trope will be narrowed to "any villain/antagonist that doesn't use For the Evulz as motivation" (which make it People Sit on Chairs).
I think the condition should be that
- The character mean no harm to anyone
- In case that it accidently cause harm (alien mind, Does Not Know His Own Strength, or other reason), it must at least has aversion to does so once become aware of this
- People mistaken its action/intention as harmful one.
Blue-and-Orange Morality shouldn't be excuse here, else there won't be Just Misunderstood part. A robotic army programmed to kill every lives is not evil, and likely not aware that what they're doing is wrong, but there's no misunderstood part - they're really out to kill everything.
Just read the examples, we've "totally evil (Psychopathic Manchild who kills and eats people for fun), but she's raised that way" (no misundertood part), "totally evil, but used to be The Woobie" (no misundertood part, they're dangerous now), "doing evil things but has Well-Intentioned Extremist motive" (Necessarily Evil is still evil, and usually no misunderstood part. A dictator who Take Over the World to bring everlasting peace is still taking over the world with force.) Really, I think it need to be fixed.
Any opinion?
Edited by KuruniopenAvoiding an EditWar Videogame
Nintendoer asked a meta question on Headscratchers.Pokemon Sun And Moon. I deleted it with this note: "This question is more appropriate for Discussion or a Forum thread. Headscratchers is for questions about the game itself, not meta fan theories." They promplty readded the question. Is Headscratchers the appropriate place?
Edited by ChaoticQueenopenExtremely Short Timespan
Does Extremely Short Timespan require that the plot happen in 3 days or less? Because I've got this example and I don't know if it fits:
"This game takes place over a far shorter amount of time than any other main series game: just under a month, excluding DLC. Case 1 starts on April 23, case 5 ends on May 19. Only the Investigations games cover less time. To wit, Case 3 ends on May 12, and Case 4 takes place on May 13... with the same prosecutor. In a different country. And he somehow familiarized himself with rakugo tradition in preparation. However, the DLC case, Turnabout Time Traveler, takes place after a four month timeskip."
For those who don't know, the example is from Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney – Spirit of Justice, a game belonging to the Ace Attorney series. The plot in the games in this series usually spans through half a year or more, yet in this game it all takes place in less than a month.
Edited by GosicrystalopenAre Calvin's parents hated?
Someone just added this to YMMV.Calvin And Hobbes.
- The Scrappy: Calvin's parents were criticized early in the strip for being too harsh and needlessly sarcastic to Calvin. One strip even has them arguing on whether or not they're sorry for having him with his father wishing to buy a dachshund instead. Watterson himself addressed this, saying their reactions to Calvin's antics make them more realistic. While his mom has since been rescued for being the better Reasonable Authority Figure, his dad still has a hatedom not just for being a Jerkass to Calvin but also an Author Avatar for Watterson in the later years of the strip.
Last time I checked, Calvin's dad is really popular and well-liked due to the Running Gag of making up facts whenever Calvin asks him a question, to the extent that there's a subreddit called "r/Explain Like Im Calvin" involving people doing the above. So doesn't this disqualify them?
openIf it is not "Deader Than Disco", that what is it?
There has been a huge clean-up of the Deader Than Disco trope recently. Fair enough, but I wonder where certain cut entries could get a new home. Many of the earlier DTD entries could be moved to a different trope, but I don't know where this one belongs:
- Lil Abner: The strip fell into this pretty hard. For a couple of decades (40s-60s), it was the most popular comic strip in America by a mile, with an estimated daily readership of 70 million in the US alone (back when the country's population was ~180 million.) The strip produced omnipresent merchandise and even a few live-action films. Al Capp was called the modern-day Mark Twain. Characters from the strip, such as Daisy Mae, Sadie Hawkins, and Lena the Hyena were part of the Small Reference Pools. It also spawned an extremely successful spinoff character, the Schmoo, which was a cultural phenomenon in its own right. The main reason it died off in popularity was because of its complete alienation of the baby boomer generation. Al Capp became increasingly conservative in his later years, and the strip started taking regular potshots at the civil rights movement, hippies, and anti-war protesters, including an infamous feud with John Lennon. Perhaps even worse, in 1971, Al Capp got caught in multiple near-simultaneous sex scandals that led to many newspapers dropping the strip out of protest. Due to these two factors, the strip's popularity plummeted in the 70s, until it finally ended in 1977 by Capp himself. The result is that today, the strip is a footnote in the history of American pop culture if it's even remembered at all. Perhaps ironically, its biggest continuing legacy might be the concept of Sadie Hawkins dances.
It is not "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny, right? Because there is nothing in the entry about the comic being creatively impressive for its time. I believed that Society Marches On could be it, but it seems to about how writers seem to think that people in the future has the same values as people today. So...? I believe that someone in the clean-up thread mentioned Seasonal Rot. Could that work?
Edited by FuriennaopenEdit War Western Animation
NWolfman
added the following example to Trivia.Toy Story:
- Old Shame: Not the film itself by any means, but the creators have acknowledged just how poorly the computer graphics have aged, going as far as to call it their "ugliest film."
Later JameyGamer
added an additional sentence to it containing a Circular Link within the example:
- Old Shame: Not the film itself by any means, but the creators have acknowledged just how poorly the computer graphics have aged, going as far as to call it their "ugliest film." Elsewhere, the infamous "Black Friday" reel that Lasseter screened for Katzenberg of course became an instant Old Shame to John.
N Wolfman later re-wrote the example like so:
- Old Shame: Not the film itself by any means, but the creators have acknowledged just how poorly the computer graphics have aged, going as far as to call it their "ugliest film." As for the actual film, there's the norotious "Black Friday" cut John Lasserer and co. made to appease Jeff Katzenberg.
And recently Jamey Gamer has changed it back:
- Old Shame: Not the film itself by any means, but the creators have acknowledged just how poorly the computer graphics have aged, going as far as to call it their "ugliest film. "" Elsewhere, the infamous "Black Friday" reel that Lasseter screened for Katzenberg of course became an instant Old Shame to John.
open''Fantastic Beasts'' character or ''Harry Potter'' character? Film
A major character from Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them was moved from the film's character page to a miscellaneous sub-page for the Harry Potter books because he was a part of the backstory for those books. Where does this character belong? For those that have seen the film, I'm talking about Grindelwald, who disguises himself and then acts as the film's main villain while being portrayed by the biggest name in the movie.
openTroper displaying some editing problems
Tropers.One Punch has a problem with Natter. From his edit on Akame ga Kill! - The Jaegers:
They also display some minor grammar and indentation problems.
Edited by JRads47openJauneBlackSmudge is trying to pick a fight on the RWBY Fridge tab
Here are two of teh tree entries that Jaune Black Smudge put into the RWBY Fridge tab:
- Another reason why Ironwood blamed Ozpin for Beacon is his choice for Pyrrha. Think about it. Ozpin wanted to give the 'incredible' power of a Maiden to a 'seventeen year-old girl'. And she's also just a First Year Beacon Student, young and prone to recklessness and arrogance. Pyrrha might've been the strongest First Year Huntress-in-training at Beacon, but she was 'far' from being the strongest student in the school. At best, she was maybe as strong as a Second Year. But there are plenty of students older than her that could wreck her. Giving the Maiden's Power to her of all people seemed idiotic. After all, it's not like Ozpin has literally trained thousands of Huntresses over the years and could've simply asked one of them to become the Fall Maiden, given that they would be leagues stronger and mature and experienced than Pyrrha. Right? But no, he instead chose Pyrrha.
1. The Sarcasm Mode is made for humor and is used here to poke at the show. 2. This has been discussed to death by RWBY fans and back 3. He tries to imply an Idiot Ball when said character was a natural prodegy when the problem arose from a lack of experience and skill. 4. "ever so handy" is saracastic as well, just being a dick
- And this serves to bite Ozpin in the ass. The thought of that power and the possible loss of her idnetity overwhelms her and makes her feel insecure. And then she goes to fight Cinder in "End of the Beginning". Why? If Ozpin, widely believed to be one of the strongest Huntsmen in Vale, and possibly Remnant was defeated by the Fall Maiden Cinder, what the 'hell' made her believe that she could defeat her? You can see it in their fight when Cinder 'wrecks' Pyrrha. Has it never occurred to anyone that Cinder was toying with her, given that she could've easily blown up the entire floor of Ozpin's office with Pyrrha still in it? Literally, her sacrifice while heart-breaking, was utterly in vain and didn't really stop or slow Cinder at all. The only silver lining to her sacrifice was that it oh-so conveniently unlocked Ruby's Silver Eyes.
openVisual Effects of Awesome
Eagal has been very zealous about deleting Visual Effects Of Awesome entries off of YMMV pages, but doesn't include a link to the respective subpage on the Sugar Wiki or edit said subpage itself (which most people aren't aware of the existence of), nor does he relocate them or create the respective subpage for that work, so it just seems like he's torpedoing the entries. Should someone notify him about how to do this in a more constructive way?
Also, for YMMV pages where there's only one entry for a given Sugar Wiki bullet point isn't there usually some flexibility given on those?
Edited by AlleyOopopenEasyEvangelism in Mad Max Fury Road
I'd like some guidance on how to handle a conflict of opinion between myself and troper @King Zeal on whether the Easy Evangelism trope applies to the conversion of Nux away from Immortan Joe's cult in Mad Max: Fury Road. The order of events so far:
- @King Zeal deleted what I consider to be a perfectly valid example of Easy Evangelism from the trope list, leaving an edit reason which does not adequately explain why he feels the trope does not apply.
- I restored it and left an invitation for him to take the matter here, to Discussion or to the Is This An Example thread so we can discuss the matter and solicit other opinions.
- @King Zeal commented out the example and started a thread in the film's Discussion page reiterating his earlier points. At this point, I considered reporting him to ATT for edit warring, since as I understand it it's the third edit (he made an edit, I reverted it, he re-reverted it) that crosses the threshold into an Edit War, but since he was giving at least the appearance of being willing to talk it over at this point, I decided to let that particular point of order slide for the moment and join him in Discussion.
- We went back and forth in Discussion for a bit; it quickly became clear that we were repeating the same arguments, neither of us was likely to be convinced by the other, and no third party was likely to show up and break the stalemate.
- I announced my intention to bring the matter to the Is This An Example? thread to attempt to bring in further opinions and invited @King Zeal to join me there. He did not do so.
- The reception at ITAE was mixed; a couple people agreed with me that it was a valid example, one person said he could see both sides and suggested listing it as a justified example. One person (@war877) didn't come down firmly on either side, wound up posting something that got him thumped by the mods (the post had already been blanked by a mod by the time I saw it, so no clue what) and bowed out of the discussion.
- After a reasonable amount of time had gone by with no definitive conclusion being reached, but with the only parties besides myself (firmly for the example's inclusion) and @King Zeal (firmly against but no longer actively participating in the discussion) being very indecisive, I announced my intention to restore the example but invited anyone who had objections to my doing so to speak up so that we could continue the discussion. Only one person did, chiming in firmly in favor of the example's validity. After allowing three days to go by, I restored the example.
- @King Zeal almost immediately made a Justifying Edit, calling it in his edit reason a "compromise solution." Here's the thing: it's only a compromise if everyone agrees to it, and he never put the issue up for discussion in the first place. I'm certainly willing to have that conversation, since at least one other person suggested listing it as a justified example, but @King Zeal declined my invitation to join the discussion in Is This an Example so he currently has nothing but his own fiat to back up his edit.
I'm sort of at a loss for how to proceed at this point. What I'd like to do is delete the Justifying Edit and pull the matter back to discussion (preferably here or at ITAE since the film's Discussion page quickly turned into a 1:1 back-and-forth between myself and @King Zeal) to attempt to reach some kind of consensus (potentially including a new wording of the example), but considering that the last time I did that, @King Zeal's response was to cross the line into an Edit War and filibuster rather than discuss the matter in good faith, I'd appreciate some mod guidance before doing anything at all.
Edited by HighCrateopen"Correcting non-binary erasure", Agenda-based or not?
Do the edits made by autwitchstic in Heroic Self-Deprecation
, Shed the Family Name
, and Half-Breed Discrimination
count as agenda-based editing?
openSnapshotOfASoul and Openness
There are a lot of problems with this page
and its accompanying Trivia and YMMV pages (ZC Es, tropes on wrong page, putting Main/ in front of all of the tropes, and editing their own YMMV page, for starters), but the creator and sole editor, SnapshotOfASoul
just seems a little too...personal.
Like on the YMMV page:
- Author Phobia:
- The director will often go out of his way to imply sexual abuse instead of overtly show it as it happens to avoid triggering himself.
Calling himself the director and it being on the wrong page aside, that doesn't seem like the kind of thing that should be on any page, Trivia or not.
Edited by ArctimonopenMeta Unfortunate Implications?
I was reading through the YMMV page for Metroid: Other M, and I found this entry under Unfortunate Implications.
- Some have accused many of the harsher complaints of
Values Dissonance towards this game as veering dangerously close to racism, especially seeing as this game's attempts at appealing to Japanese players didn't fly well over there either.
Is this type of UI okay? It's not talking about the implications from the work itself, but about fan critiques on the game. I've never seen a UI entry applied to a fandom before, and I just want to reach some sort of consensus on it. Is any meta entry all right as long as it has a citation?
Edited by chasemaddiganopenRemove "Genre Box" in Text Formatting Rules?
Quick question: In Text Formatting Rules, there's a section on "Genre Box". As the section itself says, "This markup is outdated; please remove it wherever you see it."
I can't remember the last time I've seen that markup, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist anywhere on the wiki anymore. Is it fine to cut it? That page is already way too long.
openDo these have any reason to be commented out?
I found a couple commented-out entries in the Yes, Your Grace character page. I could see why they would be commented out if they were zero-context examples, but they aren't as far as I can tell. Given the nature of the information in both cases, I'm getting the impression somone used the commenting out as some sort of spoiler markup. Is it okay to uncomment these?
(Ivo)
- "Well Done, Son" Guy: The good ending reveals that he never meant to kill his father, and actually wanted to win his approval.
(Beyran)
- Good All Along: While he has a Dark and Troubled Past as a highwayman, Eryk's desperate promise of Lorsulia's hand in marriage inspired Beyran to better himself and become a beacon of hope for his people, leading a group of refugees across the border into Davern. Unfortunately for him, Eryk sees him as an invading warlord and seeks to rally the nobles to oppose him
openIs Cross-wicking required?
Endark Culi created a page for Tokyo Tattoo Girls, which itself has sufficient content. However, they only made 3 cross-wicks. Two of them are indexing and one trope was cross-wicked.
I was going to send a notifier, but realized I didn't know if this was actually against the rules.

Not sure if this is the place to bring it up, but is anyone else having trouble on mobile on this site ? I can't open folders, spoiler tags, or even check my profile/messages while on my phone, so I'm wondering if the site is getting some maintenance or if the problem is my phone itself ?