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openTLP draft ninja launched
My trope Usurping Santa was just ninja launched by another user. It was probably ready to launch anyway, and I wouldn't have had a problem with it, were it not for the fact that on the draft's discussion
, I explicitly asked for help, and nobody stepped in to answer my question before that person just launched it themself without any explanation.
openAlex Rider characters split
A couple weeks ago, someone started splitting Characters.Alex Rider into subpages, but they never actually finished, so most of the content is just… gone.
I would fix it myself, but I haven't finished the series yet and don't want to get spoiled.
openDisagreement/Slight Edit War over DesignatedHero Live Action TV
So Troper Desert Dragon put up a Designated Hero entry on the YMMV page of Marvel'´s runaways. I deleted it because I don't really think that applies. Not just because of my own opinion (what he thinks), but because pretty much every Runaway in that season has done their own share of morally ambiguous things that the rest of the group disagreed with (heck, Nico even killed several people) and is called out in-universe, respectively. Alex is not singled out as in any way particularly bad.
The troper however put it back up. How should we proceed?
(Ironically, a similar topic was started over myself recently^^)
Edited by ForenperseropenSargon of Akkad (Again)
So a while ago, we discussed whether or not to delete several vlogger pages based on the idea that the vloggers were just people talking about things and not creating a work.
At the time, it was argued that Sargon Of Akkad should be allowed because he occasionally does Let's Plays of videogames. But, a recent editor stated that (in the words of Sargon himself) the channel we're troping here is his "shitposting" one, in which he makes political statements or rants against groups he dislikes. If that's true, should the matter be revisited?
(FYI, I fully admit to not watching, agreeing with or particularly liking Sargon. So I will recuse myself from the discussion.)
resolved Edit war report Live Action TV
In Kamen Rider.
On 20th Feb '17 5:55:07 AM, Ryulong remove fan-speak term from description with edit reason "don't use that it's stupid as shit".
On 21st Feb '17 5:40:54 AM, Wolf Thunder add it back and claim that Ryulong edit is rude.
Personally, I agree with Ryulong that the term doesn't make sense (I think Western fanbase of Kamen Rider is too small to worth noting their lingo). And while their edit reason is bad, it's direct at the term itself, not editor.
Too bad, checking history, this isn't the first time Ryulong remove it. So it is Edit War.
openTitles with Descriptions, Style of Index Pages and Long-Lasting Anxiety
On 23rd Nov '16, at Main/Manhua, I deleted the descriptions of every single entry on the page, leaving behind only the titles of the works, citing "We can save the descriptions for the individual pages; this page is just for indexing." I was motivated by how most of the work index pages lack these information and still function alright despite so, making me think that they are unneeded.
The incident prompted a PM discussion between me and fellow editor Mercy, and there was also an ATT thread here started by Mercy that you can find by searching for "Wuz" concerning the situation. (I don't know how to link an ATT thread)
The ATT thread "concluded" that due to how inconsistent foreign-language indexes are, at least original language titles should be restored, and the rest should stay as is.
The case may have ended, but the anxiety never died, and it came back again. Around a month ago, I found this: Web Serial Novel. The page is literally filled with entries that have descriptions going alongside the titles and the occasional description-less title-only entry, and once again I became anxious over this issue again as I debated with myself if I did the right thing in removing all the descriptions, or if I really was being brash in editing without discussing. (for the record, I am anxious over a lot of things, and this is just one of them)
Looking through Administirivia, I didn't really see a style guide on how should index pages be written. Should they have descriptions going alongside the titles? Or are they cluttering the page and making things hard to look through? Those are my questions.
Edited by WuzopenQuestions regarding cleanup efforts.
I have a few questions. I just started a ST Projects thread (The only other Projects thread I started was for the Pokemon Anime's YMMV page before this) and I want to make sure the action itself didn't violate any rules, as well as a sandbox page relevant to this.
- Is there any procedure for making threads on both boards? Unlike TRS or IP the threads don't start locked, but I wanted to know if they need mod permission or other requirements first (The sticky on the STP board mentioned something about discussion form elsewhere, such as ATT. I think that requirement is covered covered by this query
)
- As the cleanup is focused on reorganization, I want to know a few things related to that. Mainly to see if 1 Sandbox/ page is enough for the cleanup.
- Is there a way to view how many characters are in a given page?
- What is the maximum amount of characters a page can hold before becoming a problem? (I think its 400000 max)
openFake Star Wars Spoilers
So there's been a bit of a problem in the Star Wars Episode VIII thread with people posting unsubstantiated plot leaks for the movie. Sometimes they ask permission before posting them, sometimes they just post them. Apparently these leaks have been circulating Reddit. Is it possible to do anything about this? It is, at the very least, making myself and another thread regular (whom I discussed the matter with via PM before coming here) pretty uncomfortable.
openArthur Western Animation
WJTaylor4, who frequently edits the YMMV.Arthur page really, really, really hates D.W. (and calls Arthur's parents by their first names even though they're rarely said in-show). Other oddities include a 'fandom rivalry' segment that's just fans of one thing picking on other fans. Plus grammar/spelling errors.
"Creator's Pet: Jane and David; being an educational 'toon, they're the "large and in charge" parents with no one calling them out for letting D.W. torment Arthur most of the time."
Fandom Rivalry: Ever since the rights to producing the show changed hands from Cookie Jar to Nine Story, the bronies have been picking on it and its fans. It appears that there are two groups of haters here- one being bitter about how Marc Brown chose to terminate Cookie Jar's rights and grant the rights to Nine Story instead of transferring the production rights to DHX (which is incidentally the company behind Fi M) when DHX bought up Cookie Jar, and another just sees Arthur as yet another show competing with Fi M for awards. It's easy to weed them out: those who dismiss Arthur for "not being as good since it changed production companies" fall into the former, while those that're downright condescending to the show (saying things like "You're/They're still making the show?" in a sarcastic tone) belong to the latter. "
" D.W.'s constant screaming and whining when getting on Arthur's case or when she's demanding something from others tends to get old pretty fast. D.W.'s voice in general even when she's not whining. "
"D.W. getting punched by Arthur and latere getting a swing smashed into her face, largely due to her being such an unlikable brat."
" D.W. throws a tremendous tantrum in "Arthur's Perfect Christmas" when she doesn't get the toy she wanted for Christmas, and spends several minutes screaming. It's honestly quite embarrassing especially since Dave and Jane don't do anything to stop their daughter. "
" The Tibble Twins are basically gender bender versions of D.W. and like D.W. they have no redeeming qualitiesJ who never get punished, and they're constantly roughhousing or arguing with each other."
" Take That, Scrappy!: DW finally getting punched out by Arthur in "Arthur's Big Hit". Also DW getting her face smashed in with swings by the Tibble twins in Attack of the Turbo Tibbles. "
" Unintentionally Unsympathetic: DW, in "Arthur's Big Hit" and in many, many others. Even in the episodes where she has some justifiable reason for being bratty, she tends to take it so far that it's impossible to sympathize with her. This is not made better by all the times she doesn't have an excuse, and just felt like being irritating - it makes her seem less like she's acting up because of the issue at hand and more like her already-horrible behavior is just being exacerbated by said issue. More than a few viewers cheered when the Tibble twins hit D.W. in the face with their swings in "Attack of the Turbo Tibbles", if only because she finally suffered some Laser-Guided Karma for all the crap she had pulled previously in the series. A number of viewers also cheered when Arthur punched D.W. for harassing him and then trashing his model plane in the aforementioned Arthur's Big Hit where in addition to being her usual annoying self she was stupid enough to think the model was a toy that could fly. It really says a lot for what a repulsive character DW is that even when she's attacked by a pair twins who are basically male versions of her the viewers actually cheer for the boys to rough her up. It also says a lot for just how lacking the boys are in redeeming qualities that their high point in the series is physically attacking a young girl the audience is expected to sympathize with but is so unlikable and repulsive that the boys violent actions against her are cheered and relished by the audience instead of being viewed as reprehensible."
Edited by lalalei2001openSmalltime's refusal to learn the rules
In Canon Discontinuity, smalltime
added a misindented Inspector Gadget example under another. I fixed the issue and sent an Issue Helper to the troper, as the only wrong thing here was the misindentation. The added example itself had nothing wrong. But they reacted to this by just removing their added example, thus leaving the original example alone and misindented (because they didn't revert the extra asterisk I had added to it to have it leveled alongside the other), and then sent me a reply full of Angrish. Since then, it's been a very stressful conversation between the two in which I tried to explain to them the origin of the problem and they labeled the whole Indentation guideline as "gibberish", plus asking me to stop "harassing" them. Even after I tried to explain in bigger detail about the indentation thing, the reply was once again the same: "[Still to me] gibberish".
Very sadly, the troper is consciously refusing to cooperate and I'm concerned that they will just ignore the problem in the future. Their poor attitude is only making my genuine efforts to help them even more futile.
Edited by MyFinalEditsopenClarification On This Live Action TV
From Mean Character Nice Actor Live Action TV
- Mark Pellegrino has pretty much built his career on playing assholes that include abusive husbands, Jacob and Lucifer. In real life, he is a devout christian and family man who comes across as very sweet, relaxed, funny and very appreciative of fans.
But from Wikipedia:
- Pellegrino was born in Los Angeles, California. He is an adherent of Objectivism, a philosophy created by Russian-American writer Ayn Rand.[4] Pellegrino does not identify as a libertarian. Though he considers this description to be the closest to his political views, he considers libertarianism to be an anarchist political ideology and has distanced himself from this ideology, describing himself solely as an Objectivist, stating that he sees a place for government in society.[5][6][7][8] He has described his political views, instead, as classical liberalism,[9] and has also described himself as a radical capitalist.[6] He is married to Tracy Aziz and is the stepfather of her daughter Tess.[10]
- Pellegrino is an atheist.[11]
Did someone pull the bit about him being a Christian out of their ass, or has renounced faith at some point?
Edited by shoboniopen User-ish conflict
I'm a bit concerned with the Critical Research Failure section on this page
. Now, first things off, I'm not calling it inaccurate, the poster is entirely correct, but I feel as if the troper who posted this, The Nerf Guy, is being needlessly vindictive and Nattering on; even if these weren't understandable errors to make (lord knows I used to get confused about the first, and the second used to be a thing before the rules changed).
Is that just me?
And yes, to clarify, I was made aware of this by the now-banned Maedar. Since editing on behalf of a banned user is grounds for banning, this is why I have not edited the page myself (which would technically have been strike two for me, I believe), and instead sought another opinion to (hopefully prevent bias).
opensystem not reverting edits
Looking to the history, i guess that a mod tried revert the edits of bounced troper Incandescent Brood in Pokémon Anime - Team Rocket. Looking to the page itself, their edits stayed there.
openEdit Warring on The Last Jedi
TastySauce has started edit warring
on The Last Jedi page over something really silly... putting capitals after an ellipsis. I'm not too sure myself what's the most correct form, but he should have called a discussion rather that just reiterate his last edit.
open BewareQuietOnes -- personal bias, invalid example, vandalism
I don't know if this has already been done, but I'll call this person out anyways, just in case. So I just took a look at Satellite Character, and I noticed some extreme personal bias against Hinata in one of the Naruto entries. As pointed out in many of her examples in the Characters.Naruto Team Eight Members and as originally argued in the Discussion page for Characters.Naruto Naruto Uzumaki (see here
), Hinata is far more fleshed out than simply being Naruto's main love interest. In Chapter 78, Hinata admits to Neji that she wants to change herself because she hates herself for being weak, and she wants to be strong and be acknowledged by their clan. In Part II, Hinata protects Neji when he collapses in Chapter 540, cries when Neji sacrifices himself in Chapter 614, protects Neji's dead body in Chapter 616, recalls Neji training her in Chapter 633, pleads for Neji to protect Naruto in Chapter 662, dreams that Neji's alive in her genjutsu dream in Chapter 678, and mourns Neji at his funeral in Chapter 699. In The Last: Naruto the Movie (which is Canon), Hinata prioritizes saving her little sister Hanabi over everything else, including a chance to be with Naruto right after he confesses his love to her—to the point where Hinata "rejects" him for Hanabi. These are just a few examples of Hinata's actual characterization, with evidence taken directly from canon. Therefore, Hinata is not an example of Satellite Character.
Beware Quiet Ones was the troper who added the Hinata example. This is the only edit they have on here, and they entered this back on August 4th, but this one edit of theirs is extremely biased against Hinata, deliberately ignoring her characterization and Character Development. And I know for a fact that personal bias of any kind is not allowed here on TV Tropes. It's easily vandalism because this edit of theirs can easily be deleted because it's not a valid example of the Satellite Character trope.
Here is Beware Quiet Ones's edit history: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=BewareQuietOnes
Here is the edit history for Satellite Character: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.SatelliteCharacter&more=t
openVideoGame/SIMULACRA Videogame
VideoGame.SIMULACRA has several all white examples. I'd go through them myself, but I haven't played through the game and don't know what actually constitutes as a spoiler.
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenUnwarranted removals
Editor Johnny Joestar
just deleted without a reason a perfectly valid YMMV entry here
, and it seems to be a habit : 2
3
(some ZC Es in the last one, but still that doesn't appear to be cause)
ETA : Base-Breaking Character is allowed to be linked in subpages IIRC, while the page itself is a description-only one.
Edited by TrollBrutalopenAHI-3000 and LGBT Self-Discovery
The draft LGBT Self-Discovery
has been attracting random discards and it was discarded for a third (fourth?) time without any comment. I don't know if it has been the same troper each time, but the most recent time was a mass discard spree by AHI-3000. I've looked at the drafts he discarded and I agree with all but this one. That said, silently discarding (i.e. not saying anything ahead of time) does not seem kosher. It isn't this troper's responsibility to discard drafts and it seems like he takes the TLP a bit... like his hangout. I say that knowing that he discards and launches drafts without comment from time to time.
If this particular draft wasn't having a silent discarder perennially discarding it, I honestly wouldn't think to comment about this since AHI-3000 usually seems in the right to discard what he does discard. But we — the people participating in that draft — seem to be in agreement that it isn't a duplicate, which was the main concern for that draft.
openMassive Edit that ignores Discussion Page on Characters/OverwatchOffense
Hi, I'd like to ask a mod to revert a massive edit that was made on Overwatch Offense.
Not long ago, Overwatch writers made a post on Twitter that contradicted things which had been stated in materials previous to that, in particular, regarding the Face–Heel Turn of one of it's main villains. Afterwards, it was brought up on the Discussion page
and there, I argued that regardless of what Word of God says now, the supplementary materials they'd published previously contradicts it. While of course, stories can always change, revise itself, or outright retcon previous information, it doesn't change what was published.
As such, I'd like to request a reversion on the mass edit that was made by Tropers.Winter Valkryie. It seems premature, especially since the aforementioned discussion petered out before a decision was reached.

So on the Beauty and the Beast (2017) page, almost two years back, I added a Hype Backlash to the page and it seemed like it followed the basic qualifications to be added there. This is what it used to say:
Hype Backlash: When it was revealed that Disney would be releasing a live-action adaptation of the 1991 film, many people were very happy since that version was done so well. After it was released, while many people regard it a good film, some beg to differ and question why it was remade to begin with given how slavishly faithful it is. This overlaps with fatigue with Disney's recent trend of releasing at least one live-action adaptation of an animated canon film every year, or alternatively a belated sequel as in the case of Mary Poppins Returns in 2018. Even some people who enjoy it still feel it's not as good as the original, and/or unfavorably compare it to the company's previous two adaptations in this vein, which took more liberties with their material. It's largely a matter of personal taste and what one thinks of the changes made to the animated versions' storylines, tones, etc.
It was even kept when the site decided to redefine the trope altogether and when the trope was being removed for numerous YMMV pages for not meeting the new criteria. I look at the page's history now and I found the example removed, citing that it doesn't meet the current criteria, quote About fans or critics praising it such audiences don't think it measures up. Not just disappointment.
Honestly, as this point can we just get a vote to remove Hype Backlash altogether? It seems that every few months we keep redefining what a YMMV trope is supposed to mean and if said trope can remain on the page for more nearly two years only to be deleted randomly even after redefining it, what's the point of even keeping it? This wouldn't even be that much of a deal for me if it weren't for the fact that said entry was on the page for almost two years without anyone complaining or thinking it didn't fit with the trope.
Now look, Audience-Alienating Premise made a bit of sense because the name itself made the idea of what the trope means far too vague (now it's supposed to be used if a work has a niche audience/reaction, I honestly don't know) but I legit don't think we should even bother keeping Hype Backlash if we can never decide on what it's supposed to really mean.