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openAuto-erotic troping and possible ban evasion
For a while, Gory Toons and its subpages frequently showed up in the recent edits list thanks to them being constantly edited by Happy Tree Sponge and Spongebob Fan 808. Now, this isn't a problem in and of itself, but when I looked at Spongebob Fan 808's troper page out of curiosity, I found a claim that they were the creator of Gory Toons; the statement has since been deleted, though it's still visible
in the page's history.
The reason why I bring this up is because they made several edits to the YMMV page over the past couple of months (1
open Sylviemations
Sorry if this isn't important, but Sylviemations seems to have a problem with laziness and getting other tropers to do the work for them. On this ATT query
, a few days ago, they asked why there wasn't a characters page for Numberblocks, and when I told them that there used to be one before it was cut for being a stub (read: having nothing but a load of empty folders), they complained that I cutlisted it instead of filling it out myself (despite me not being familiar with the work and only complying with the policy that we cutlist stub pages if no effort is made to improve them after the OP is notified). Multiple tropers tried to talk to them on the ATT thread, about how to create a page, policy on ZCEs, and the fact that pages need to have at least three non-ZCEs to stay. Then today, they created a page for the first time
...and it was a one-line stub that consisted entirely of the following sentence:
I’m too lazy to make this page someone else do it
resolved Transphobic edit reason Videogame
mrluntishysterical removed
the Cross-Dressing Voices entry on Trivia.SuperMarioBrosWonder, citing that Giselle Fernandez is "biologically female", though Giselle themself is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns.
I reverted the entry already and sent them a notifier before writing this query, but I have a feeling this may turn into a possible agenda in the long run.
openEdit War on the YMMV page for Inside Job
So troper Johnny Be Bad deleted this example from the YMMV page for Inside Job:
Trans Audience Interpretation: Reagan is occasionally read as a transwoman for a couple reasons. The first episode establishes that she has a habit of saying "suck my dick" a lot for a woman, the fourth episode includes a robotic replica of herself that is notably more feminine, her diploma uses male pronouns and has her name written by hand, and, perhaps most notably, the 8th episode has Rand offhandedly mention that he tampered with her genetics when she was in the womb to make sure his genetics were dominant. That said flashbacks to Reagan's childhood in the finale seem to contradict this, unless Reagan transitioned extremely early or her memories have been further tampered with.
This was their justification:
- Don't strain your back reaching like that.
They then started this thread
to discuss Trans Audience Interpretation. The general consensus of the thread was that Johnny Be Bad's edit reason was unnecessarily mean, but that the example wasn't valid to begin with.
Troper Sana Naryon then re-added the example with this justification:
- Trans Audience Interpretation is not a theory, it's an interpretation. I'll reach however long I damn well please, and I know for a fact a lot of people agree with me. Also, those What An Idiot examples are more about Rand being an idiot In-Universe, which is perfectly in character for him, instead of him acting stupid for no reason.
To me this seems like someone using the YMMV page to push their own personal headcanon. During the thread discussing this example, someone did a google search and found no proof of fans thinking Reagan was trans.
openSuspected ban evader
Leedo is a new Troper who is exclusively editing the WMG page for Spirit Ideas for Super Smash Bros Ultimate here
. Most of their editing consists of deleting, and their edit reasons made me raise a brow.
"the Zelda CDI Games are not just not canon to the actual timeline nor even feel like zelda games but also the fact that they are popularity hated for good reasons. Also, Something being for fun does not mean it is okay to violate good rules of Smash Bros. So Mods of this website, stop being too strict"
"Kirby Right back at Ya! is an anime, not a video game. Also, Missingno is just a game-breaking glitch, plus is gone from future pokemon games and for good reasons. So stop with the random choices (whether they are for fun or not). Something being Fanon, head canon, or Canon don't even matter to me, you idiots are just using stupid arguments such as "For Fun", "Fanon", and "Fan Ideas" so you can continue making bad choices. I'm not saying these happened nor i am talking them having to be canon although that does not change using stupid arguments "For Fun", "Fan Ideas", and "Fanon" for why you did what you did is make any of bad on the inside. So please stop."
"Donkey Kong Country animated series is a tv show not a video game. Don't tell understand the concept of fanon, when in reality you are only saying that to get us not accept that we cannot always get you want."
I am roughly 99.99999999999% sure that this is a sock puppet of Leirdo, the troper who
was hacking-and-slashing entries on the same page for rules that they unanimously made up, and then, when they were reported, said that everyone who spoke against them were "selfish dumbasses" who deserved "a good slap in the fucking face" and demanded we all apologize and be punished. Same pages, same agenda, still calling other Tropers and mods idiots, and their username is almost exactly the same. Leirdo > Leedo
openIffy AHT entry
- The series regulary downplays, justifies and/or outright ignores the horrors of Communism and Islamic terrorism. Yes, it is Political Correctness Gone Mad taken up to eleven.
Seems overly inflammatory (and possibly inaccurate or at least Vocal Minority) to me.
Edited by Chabal2openIs this a Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment violation?
I think it's pretty obvious that discussing Chris-chan can easily fall under Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment, so seeing this in Muse Abuse was a surprise. It appears to be old though, since it still uses Chris' deadname:
"Back in 2006 and 2007, Christian Weston Chandler wrote about his then-"gal pal" Megan, portraying her as a Sailor Soldier head over heels in love with him. Megan wasn't pleased with his assumption that they were in a relationship. Fast-forward to November 2007, when Chris posts a porn drawing of himself having sex with Megan on Encyclopedia Dramatica. Megan sees it and is horrified; Chris defends the art by explaining the sex act to her while missing the point that Megan was not horrified at the act depicted, but rather at the subject of the pic. He later claimed that what she was suffering was nothing compared to what he was going through at the hands of the trolls. She hasn't talked to him since."
It is an awful thing to do and I'm not defending it, but the It's All About Me link and the fact its about a contentious figure make me wonder if it violates ROCEJ.
Edited by SkylaNoivernopenConcerning Edit History
I first noticed Caesar 44 commenting on a review for the new LOTR show, complaining that it's inaccurate to the original work and the like which while technically true is also somewhat of a dogwhistle, so I dug further... And found some bizarre things. Some of them pointing at an agenda... Others just showing sloppy and problematic behaviors in general. Note that I have not sent a notifier... I wouldn't even know where to begin.
- Deleting an entry from CommonKnowledge.MythsAndReligion without reason
, made worse by it being about the belief that the bible bans homosexuality when it doesn't actually.
- Adding natter as a note tag?
- Doing it again, but ~politically~?
- And again
- Doing that again but then removing it?
- More natter... but as a parabomb this time
, to shake it up, I guess.
- She-Hulk Whining, because obviously
- As it might be obvious by now they have some sloppy behaviors like not putting a space in between the trope and the bullet, and not always starting with capitalization.
- They also got into a weird dispute on WesternAnimation.The Incredibles over the Artistic License – Law entry? Getting all the receipts is hard because of the link glitch and the fact that it's like 6 AM here and I want to end this report preferably before the sun comes up? Anyway what happened was that they added an entry about the early-movie lawsuit which was deemed to not count by consensus, and the entry was eventually hidden with a large tag saying "don't add", and then they removed the comment markup but not the note itself????
And this has been my deep-dive into a concerning troper. Thoughts? Should I try sending a notifier? I mean the editing issues are all bad, sure, but what concerns me most is the clear political wonkery they're engaging in, and that can't be solved with a PM, nor do I want to see them flame out.
open Someone deleted one of my edits and called it "sociopathic".
So, on BrokenAesop.Western Animation, I added an entry for The Loud House episode "Butterfly Effect" that basically boiled down to "The moral is to tell the truth, however, none of what Lincoln imagines was the result of his dishonesty, but rather the accident itself that he considered lying about".
But someone deleted it saying, "Wow, this line of thinking is just... self-centered at best, sociopathic more apt. There's no way to phrase it more nicely."
I'm honestly disturbed that someone would call me sociopathic.
Just so you know, I didn't use any italics, full caps, bold, or emotionally-charged words. I phrased it the way Spock would.
openOdd Stuff on Arthurian Legend Literature
I want to draw attention to a rather bizarre editing conflict on Myth.Arthurian Legend.
More than three years ago, a troper called Methuselah
added two new entries to the works list on Myth.Arthurian Legend. Here they are:
- Balla na Nathair Corónach, another pre-Roman tale, which also has versions once told/sung in Scotland, Cornwall, Ulster, Bretony, Galicia and Mann, was purportedly (i.e-attributed to him but most likely not written by him given his ficticious nature) written by Fionn Mac Cumhail to honor his Welsh rival (which is debatable considering the average Irish mythologian's attitude toward Arthur), and stylizes Arthur as a pro-Druid anti-Roman bastard (of mixed Roman and Welsh heritage) and nephew/heir of Emrys (his uncle Ambrosius, who is apparently a separate character from Merlin in the ballad) who married Guinevere to bring piece to Britain on the word of his adviser Myrddin (Merlin), although this peace later broke and Arthur avenges the breaking of the pact by attacking the Romans, and later burns the Guinevere analog for killing one of his pre-wedlock heirs. Other iterations are far more anachronistic.
- Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans, a semi-historical (in that it is mostly fable, although similar events did occur, although not during the period when the Welsh canon was being composed) account of a series of vengeance-raids by Celts and other native Bretons against Nordic settlements in Scandanavia. The oldest, least adulterated, and most clearly translated version was found in Iceland. It describes a Serpent/Dragon King (a coded title for one of the possible other inspirations of Arthur, who was allegedly a major Druidic leader) who led these attacks, occupied some villages for a few years, and even extracted tribute until the mid-Roman occupation. Later versions are also more anachronistic and incorporate more post-Norman Arthurian lore.
I consider myself halfway knowledgeable about medieval Arthurian lore. Yet I have never heard about these supposed Arthurian works. I checked some books, googled around, and found absolutely no information about these works. Though Google Translate suggests that "Balla na Nathair Corónach" is Irish and means "Wall of the Crowned Serpent" and "Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans" is Icelandic and means "Account of the Festival of the Dragon".
I also find that much of what is said about the supposed content of these works is hard to believe or does not make sense. For one, I am not aware of any Arthurian work from medieval Ireland; much less a "pre-Roman" one, given that Arthur is pretty much universally placed in time after the Roman occupation of Britain. The entries are also extremely confusingly written, lack focus, and are riddled with vagueness and self-contradictions. Because of this and because I couldn't find any proof for the existence of these works, I eventually deleted both entries. (This was more than two years ago.)
The entries stayed deleted for somewhat over half a year, then Methuselah returned and restored them, referring to my deletion as "vandalism" in their edit reason.
Next I sent Methuselah a private message telling them that I couldn't find any confirmation for the existence of these works, and asked them what their sources were or where I can get information about these works. They replied with a very condescending message in which they tried to present themself as some kind of expert on medieval literature and claimed that Balla na Nathair Corónach has been published in a book called The Celtic Heroic Age by John Koch and John Carey, and that Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans is a "fragment" of an Old Icelandic work called Möttuls saga.
Since then, I got myself a copy of The Celtic Heroic Age and, lo and behold, no Balla na Nathair Corónach. As for Möttuls saga, this is an Icelandic translation of a French Arthurian tale called Le lai du cort mantel (The Lay of the Mantle). I checked out a translation and several synopses, and (you know where this is going) found nothing which fits the material that Methuselah claims constitutes Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans.
I have decided against sending Methuselah another pm. I don't know if they are still active (their last edit was ten months ago), but in any case they have been lying about their sources (if they have any). My impression is that they're intentionally throwing academic-sounding language and work titles around so that others will believe they're an expert and won't question them.
Long story short: I want to delete both of Methuselah's entries for referring to inexistent works. But since I already deleted them once, I want to get consensus first to avoid an edit war. Do I have permission to proceed?
(I will send Methuselah a pm about this query.)
Edited by LordGroresolved Problematic troper Music
cryptic-immortal has been editing the Music.Muse page and its subpages recently, and many of their edits... Concern me. For example...
- Here
, they added a Drinking Game entry to the YMMV page, even though I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to be linked there.
- On the WMG page, they seem to be indulging in quite a bit of self-natter
, complete with the usual First-Person Writing. They're adding natter to the Headscratchers page, too
.
- They also have formatting issues, such as when they attempted to add the aforementioned Drinking Game entry on the main page
before moving it to YMMV.
- Finally, they have problems with example context, like here
.
I have sent notifers to them.
Edited by ChillyBeanBAMopenQuestion regarding a Dethroning moment Videogame
Kibchi has added a DethroningMoment.Video Games moment that I felt got way too personal to qualify:
- Kibchi here. My current moment for me is how Nintendo handled the casting for Three Houses. First they get Edelgard a new voice actor (and don't even tell us why,) and then they replace Byleth's with a total novice over Tumblr drama. Chris confessed to a lot of abuse, (that happened because people decided to emotionally abuse him badly enough he was suicidal,) and violated his NDA (by talking in a closed circle of friends, apparently) so they replaced him with this guy who's barely old enough to drink. This lack of transparency and their desperate cling to their image is utterly disgusting. The Nintendo Ninjas have lost their right to call themselves ninja- Only the most despicable scum would kick a suicidal man when he's down. This attempt to whitewash their image is just making it worse. I'd pre-ordered the game before it happened, so I couldn't just cancel my order on release day, but I'm not buying any DLC. Also, I'm not updating the game. The Day One patch can go fuck itself.
This DMOS has nothing to do with the game itself and kinda constitute as a real life example yet the troper readded it back despite being previously removed twice due to not being a fictional moment.
Edited by Loekman3openDefensive bashing
KJ Tropes' recent edits on Trish Stratus have been pretty defensive and complaining/insulting.
Their entry for Medal of Dishonor doesn't seem too bad in and of itself (assuming that's an okay trope to list) but their edit reason, "Don't say, "Trish wasn't actually in the match, she didn't deserve that." The whole mess could have been avoided if it had been a Bradshaw-Nowinski singles match. Bradshaw may be an asshole, but he had about a decade of experience at that point (he debuted in 1992), so he and Chris could have held the match together." seems needlessly defensive and unrelated.
After this, their entry for Screw the Rules, I'm Beautiful! includes her starting the "Molly Holly 'big ass' garbage" and including her fans dismissing criticisms, which again seems unrelated. The edit reason is "This is the truth. You can not claim that what I described did not happen."
Edited by iamconstantineopenProblematic behavior from Thetropemaster101
So I recently got a PM from Thetropemaster 101 wherein he more or less ordered me to make some specific edits to a bunch of Star Wars character pages, and I believe that I'm not the only one since I noticed a few edit reasons throughout the index mentioning that they were being done based on "PM suggestions."
This was particularly notable since he did so through an edit notifier for an edit I made on Seven Deadly Sins, which had nothing to do with Star Wars (while I do edit the Star Wars pages frequently, it comes across as fairly stalkerish).
Searching for him on ATT I found numerous threads going back up to two years detailing all kinds of problematic behavior, including:
- Edit-warring
- Serial tweaking
- Consistent issues with formatting and ZCEs, as well as confirmed sockpuppeting (notably, he posted a total of seven replies in a row from two different accounts denying it and begging to have his temporary edit ban lifted)
As well as creating a bunch of strange
, complainy
ATT threads and a very weird personal page where he describes himself as "the best troper on this website" and expresses a desire to be a moderator.
openWho is Eddy Kariti? Possible Misinformation Troll
Courtesy Link: Eddy Kariti, discussion page
and history of the page
I happened to look at the Cut List and someone, ~Spokuha, added Creator.Eddy Kariti on the cut list for "being a fraud" who allegedly has added himself to various wikis for the U.S. version of Being Human despite not actually showing up in the show. Here's a link to the guy's Twitter account.
(Though notably he isn't verified.) Apparently, Kariti played a character named "Randy Brooks" but on our Characters.Being Human UK and Characters.Being Human US pages there is no such character listed.
This is so strange.
The Creator/ page was made by ken-chicken (edits
), who also added the filmography section of the page. I just scanned IMDB's pages for the two Being Human series, the movie (Being Human: Unearthed), and an unrelated 1994 movie of the same name. "Randy" and "Eddy Kariti" are not listed among the "Full Cast & Crew" lists.
I'll PM Spokuha about this thread.
EDIT: This
seems to be the actor's IMDB page. I assume it's correctly a page for the same person in part because it lists the same person as being his father, but it could also be full of b.s.
Editing to add list of Creator/ pages made by ken-chicken:
There may be overlap with mahidevrans (edit history
showing similar interests in obscure creators like Creator.Berrak Tuzunatac, Creator.Tuncel Kurtiz, and Creator.Cansu Dere, though admittedly these are all Turks), who created a page for Painters and added this obscure Eddy Kariti person to the list in March 2019 (draft edit history
).
openEdit war on TADC
On Characters.The Amazing Digital Circus Players, xVanitas is edit warring:
- RebelFalcon
removed a Secretly Selfish entry, stating that a human wanting affection and attention is a basic need.
- Vanitas
restored the entry (albeit rewritten).
- MagmaTeaMerry
removed per the TADC cleanup
- Restored again by Vanitas
I haven't watched the episode but the consensus is that all the edits reek of Ron the Death Eater-esque agenda editing.
openVery self-congratulatory work pages...
The TV Tropes Character Crossover War has several sub-pages like trivia and ymmv, and several of their most frequent editors are people who were already on TV Tropes. And frankly I'm a bit uncomfortable reading these and seeing how self-indulgent and passive-aggressive towards this platform they seem to be, as they're utilizing multiple tropes like Take That! and Executive Meddling to describe TV Tropes and to voice the aforementioned tropers' disagreements with site policy - which means they are effectively troping themselves. Is stuff like this even allowed?
A few examples of this:
- Author's Saving Throw: Despite their frustrations with TV Tropes booting them off the platform and banning the self demonstrating pages from having non-canon interactions, the authors behind the fic came to embrace the opportunity to improve upon the smaller, script-based format into a larger, more-in-depth narrative format.
- One challenge the writers faced was being limited to the characters with self demonstrating pages being the primary focus, only being able to include characters with some interfranchise or vague connection. By being moved off, the board was clear to add in whoever the writers wanted, expand further on the lore, and make changes to the story that made more sense for their new narrative. This extended to the addition of entire universes, most notably with Shrek and Breaking Bad, along with MrBeast as an additional Joke Character.
- Executive Meddling:
- As the story initially started out on TV Tropes itself, the writers were about nearly complete with most of the pre-Night Parade recruitments when the website moderators deemed the fic could no longer be hosted on the site, forcing it to be moved off-site.
- Shortly thereafter, the moderators almost got rid of the self-demonstrating pages altogether, but after a massive backlash towards eliminating the concept, they instead declared that none of the interactions were to remain (sans between those who had actually met in canon) — aka much of the basis of the fic in the first place. The writing team responded by mocking this decision repeatedly, which the moderation team did not respond to in kind (causing author chris4449 to get bounced from the site).
- Writer Revolt: After the TV Tropes moderators forced the story off the website and banned all non-canon interactions between the self demonstrating pages, the writers subsequently began openly criticizing this decision through the story itself (chiefly through Deadpool).
- Growing the Beard: By the writing team’s own admission, while they had fun with creating the original story, they always felt constrained by their original format in order to keep it as true to TV Tropes as possible. When the story was forced to move, the team took the opportunity to completely transform the story into something they felt eclipsed what they had originally created.
openTroper with linking issues and a shipping bias Videogame
Mysticalmagic 483 often edits on the Sonic the Hedgehog pages, and I've found myself having to correct their edits from time to time.
- Here
they don't properly link an example.
- Another
example of not using link brackets.
- Word cruft
In addition, they have such an obvious shipping bias. They are a fan of the Sonic/Blaze pairing. They are entitled to that opinion, because this is the internet, and everyone is allowed to have their own opinion even if I don't agree with it.
What they AREN'T entitled to is deleting mentions of the Silver/Blaze pairing because it goes against their preferred ship.
- Here
they take off details of Blaze's Ship Tease entry.
- Here
they delete a point saying Sonic is a Shipper on Deck for Silver/Blaze.
- Here
they remove a segment where both Silver and Blaze blush at being called a cute couple.
- Here
they insist that the pairing Silver and Amy "makes more sense" (no hate to anyone who ships this, but in canon Amy has a Single-Target Sexuality for Sonic).
- Here
they remove another point about her being close to Silver.
Permission to revert these edits?
Edited by deerhornsaresoprettyopenHeavy quoting in more ways than one
I noticed that a troper named OUSIsITH has added a number of quotes in the past couple of months in several pages under Real Life, all of them coming from discussions and quotes from blog posts within the last three years and which take a rather pessimistic view of the future. Some of them are very long, like several paragraphs. Quotes can be found in Reality Is Unrealistic, Terminally Dependent Society, Humans Are Bastards, Nostalgia Ain't Like It Used to Be, and Post-Peak Oil.
Simply being negative might not be grounds for removal, but with the result being in some of these pages being so heavily negative I am not sure whether this by itself merits a review. (I have refrained from pinging the troper in question for now since if this is a nothingburger I'm fine with not bothering them.)

Ian78668
is very much into the Alternate History story Player Two Start, having most of their edit history devoted to its work page. However, they seem to be adding their own concepts and ideas (usually about Don Bluth or Pokémon in some form) into the work page that aren't in the text itself. Even the author had to step in and take some of this out
, only for them to add yet more of their own fanon. I sent them a few notifiers a while ago, and they seemed to comply at first... but just recently came back again and added yet more of their own fanon into it. Since I didn't want it to be an edit war, I sent them another notifier and bringing up the problem here.
Edited by harryhenry