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openA weird fixation on crossovers
It's somewhat harder to explain, but the user Sonicfan9988
seems to only edit to throw in a lot of these odd crossover references. The problem, however, is that he's pushing them outside of WMG in things like the actual YMMV sections. A notable one is YMMV/PokemonBlackAndWhite
where they're pushing completely strange theories under Hilarious in Hindsight. While the WMG'ing in itself is fine, they should not be messing with YMMV tropes that make no sense whatsoever.
It's notable that he tried to remake the crossover page in general, and then suddenly added the same page(some weird Sonic crossover) on Darth Wiki. It's a pretty clear fixation and agenda-based entry pimping at this point.
Edited by IreneopenEdits to YMMV/TheForceAwakens Film
I noticed on The Force Awakens that Clint Rider deleted a bunch of articles/commentary criticizing the identification of Rey as a Mary Sue as well as added some equivocating language that "In general, there are valid argument that can be made either way, but are likely to still attract criticism."
In general, he basically deleted everything criticizing criticism of he movie, especially if directed against MRA types. And changed some entries to be more critical toward the movie.
His edit reason is "What "controversy?" Glorified muckrakers making clickbait headlines aside (And the Fury Road boycott never happened, the only evidence of its existence was said muckrakers who are known for lying), Furiosa got next to no criticism. Also, I don't see the point of actually including Waid and Del Toro's comments as their own thing- the point is already made enough as is."
Edit- Incidentally, was looking at some of their recent edits and while the example itself probably violated The Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement, on Ghostbusters (2016), there was an entry about how the attacks on Leslie Jones by Milo Icantspellhislastname and his followers finally got him kicked off of twitter, he deleted the entry and gave this edit reason: "Debatable, given how Leslie Jones has a lot of skeletons in her own closet, especially in relation to doing the exact same things Milo did. If you wanna say stuff like that, then politely take it to your tumblr."
So yeah, my MRA alarm is going off.
Edited by Hodor2openA Review Series that Doesn't Exist and some Possible Self-Promotion Web Original
There is a review series called Movie Dorkness on Agony Booth. The page for it, however, was littered with some references to a so-called ascended fanboy called the "Professor Detective". According to the edits, this person has their own review show and is a fan of the host of Movie Dorkness, and indeed, there's a page for said show. Only the show doesn't exist. The page for Professor Detective mentions a You Tube account, but I found no videos by any user under that name. It mentions a Tumblr, but I found no such Tumblr bearing that name. And to top it all off, the edits done to both pages were done by a user named Professor Detective. I edited out some mentions of the person in the Trivia page for Movie Dorkness, but I'm wondering if this is possible some kind of self-promotion for some anonymous troper?
Edited by AdricDePsychoresolved Pages for Fanfics that don't actually exist?
Yeah, someone has created a fanfic for My Hero Academia that I don't think actually exists.
The page itself, My Hero Academia Rewritten Sparks mentions it's an "upcoming" fanfic... but I can't find any traces of it outside that page anywhere else. And it doesn't list an author, so there's that too. The only contributer of the page is SK1212, who is either the "author" themselves, or someone independent but unable to provide evidence the fic actually exists.
Isn't there something in the rules against giving works that don't exist their own pages without concrete evidence it does exist in some form outside of the page?
Edited by RebelFalconopenReally weird entry
- Executive Meddling: Many of their American distributors have not got along with Toei due to things such as preventing necessary edits to Digimon Tamers, or being forced to dub shows they don't want due to Blatant Lies (like 4Kids' dub of One Piece). They're also known for providing poor quality video masters to overseas distributors in the past. The only western distributor that gets along with them is FU Nimation due to their shared origins.
First this contradicts itself. Toei was perfectly happy with letting licensors censor their anime. If they didnt mind with One Piece (Which the entry even admits they forced upon 4kids) I doubt they would mind if they edited Digimon Tamers. And the grammar is kinda weird here.
The page this edit is from: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/ToeiAnimation
openThe Last of Us (2023) edit war
Yesterday, Tropers.Phanthom Singh added this entry to a recap page for The Last of Us (2023) (spoiler tag mine). tropers.eroock subsequently moved it to YMMV.The Last Of Us 2023 as it's a YMMV trope:
- Improved Second Attempt: In the game after Henry shot Sam, he kept pointing his Gun at Joel, muttering "What did you do?" and "It's all your fault!", insinuating that he blamed Joel for Sam turning and Joel tried to defend himself by stating that it was no one's fault, and it is a shocking subversion when Henry suddenly turn the Gun onto himself, showing that he was talking to himself. In this version of the scene (episode 5), he uses the first person ("What did I do?") throughout, making the scene much clearer.
By my understanding of the trope from skimming it's definition, Improved Second Attempt is for when something that was disliked or disappointing is redone by an adaptation or remake in a way that is better received by audiences. The original version of this scene is, to my knowledge, considered very good, so I removed it with the following edit reason:
However, PhanthomSingh subsequently restored it with the following edit reason (again, spoiler tags mine):
I took it to the "Is This An Example" thread to avoid a potential edit war and get clarification about the trope in question (a fair bit of this query is a copy-paste of that post), where eroock informed me that Singh had added the example in the first place, making this an edit war of sorts — which brings us here.
Edited by Dirtyblue929resolved Unspoilered context for spoilers Videogame
Pokémon Scarlet and Violet currently has an almost-entirely-white example for its Magnificent Bastard entry. It was not like that previously: I wrote part of it outside the spoilers to give context. For the record, here's what it was previously:
- Magnificent Bastard: The Final Bosses of the game caught many players off-guard for how ingenious they are: Professor Sada (in Scarlet) / Professor Turo (in Violet) was Arven's parent who discovered and utilized the Terastal phenomenon while exploring the Great Crater of Paldea. The Professor proceeded to use the Tera crystals to create a time machine with hopes of building a paradise for their family, using the machine to bring over Pokémon from the past/future, in spite of their threats to Paldea's ecosystem. Even with the Professor's untimely death as a result of their research, their numerous security systems and failsafes, including forcing their AI copy to battle any threat to the machine and, in the event that would fail, locking all Poké Balls except their own, would defend the time machine from the protagonist and their friends, demonstrating the Professor's willingness to allow the destruction of the region for the creation of paradise.
And here's what it looks like now:
- Magnificent Bastard: Professor Sada (in Scarlet) / Professor Turo (in Violet) was Arven's parent who discovered and utilized the Terastal phenomenon while exploring the Great Crater of Paldea. The Professor proceeded to use the Tera crystals to create a time machine with hopes of building a paradise for their family, using the machine to bring over Pokémon from the past/future, in spite of their threats to Paldea's ecosystem. Even with the Professor's untimely death as a result of their research, their numerous security systems and failsafes, including forcing their AI copy to battle any threat to the machine and, in the event that would fail, locking all Poké Balls except their own, would defend the time machine from the protagonist and their friends, demonstrating the Professor's willingness to allow the destruction of the region for the creation of paradise.
Shooting Star 7 X deleted the non-spoilered context, with the edit reason of "Plently of Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard writeups are completely spoilered out, and this addition would make no sense without spoiler markup (i.e. on Magnificent Bastard.Pokemon)."
I don't see the reasoning behind that. "Other examples also do this" isn't good justification; Self-Fulfilling Spoiler points out that fully-spoiled examples are bad writing. Also, "this wouldn't make sense if it wasn't a spoiler" doesn't work either, because the example is a spoiler, and it's not like my addition detracts from the example if it's read in its entirety without a spoiler — at least, in my opinion.
I asked ShootingStar7X in a PM, but they didn't respond to me. I also consulted Magnificent Bastard to see if there's a rule that all MB entries must be fully spoiled, and it doesn't say.
Am I clear to restore the edit I made previously?
open Bad Grammar, Punctuation Issues, Trope Shoehorns, Edit Warring...
... and all of the above.
So, recently stumbled across Manga.Police In A Pod, a page made exclusively by one X-FALCONER
, a relatively new guy whose edits consist mostly of editing said page...
Grammar, spelling and punctuation issues are one thing:
- "Fuji have this with Kawaii with multiple characte note that she treat her nicely compared with how she treat others"...
- Jaywalking Will Ruin Your Life: downplayed and not jaywalking but in one case Kawaii interrogate a teen that stole a bike and made her confess the girl admitted that these incident will probably make her lose her scholarship in a university at Tokyo, but she is confident that she can go there through other means. — This is lifted wholesale from the page btw, I didn't change a single thing
- Yakuza: Minor nuisances in the manga. Seiji and Takeshi at one point get to a shouting match with them after a wakashu throws away a lit cigarette onto the street. — What does this have to do with the Japanese gang syndicate called the Yakuza again?
- Irony: While Kawaii just met Yamada and Minamoto through Fuji , is shown later they found her nicer and easier to get along than Fuji who is a Jerk With The Heart Of Gold. — How is this Irony? Also, yes, they didn't double-bracket the words "irony" so it's not bluelinked.
But there's also blatant Redlinked typos that the user neglected to fix (Big Sister Instict? Jerk With The Heart Of Gold? Abusive Mother?)
... Shoehorning Tropes that doesn't fit:
- Running Gag: During the anime Kawaii and running specifically her tendency to run and the monologues she has complaining about this, thanks to the anime adapting the early chapters where Kawaii had to run a lot — I don't think that's what Running Gag means?
- Cop Killer: While not a killer White Angel is a driver that Hit and Run Sakura an Officer of the station leaving her in a wheelchair for years he is later revealed to be Kimura a father who abandoned his family whose daughter is a cop in another prefecture, the reason why he was fixated on sakura was because she looked similar to her daughter but it wasn't intentional he just dozed off after he had too many all nighter. — The entry argues with itself, and is therefore a shoehorn. Also grammar in sentences.
- Dramatic Shattering: An apartment window is busted by Fuji with her issued baton when she and some officers were conducting a wellness check and the tenant wasn't answering the door (plus the tenant had a previous meeting with the police due to concerns that he's been drinking). — The trope Dramatic Shattering means "drops and breaks an object in shock". This entry is "Breaking A Glass Window With A Baton", which... isn't a trope that exists as far as I remember.
And an 18-bulleted-point Surprisingly Realistic Outcome entry with really, really bad shoehorns
- Surprisingly Realistic Outcome: One of the manga's main strengths with reader and critics is that Miko Yasu write with a lot of realism compared to other manga principally based on her own experience as a police officer.
- While everyone treat Kawai as The Ditz in the beginning, officer of others precints say that Kawaii actually is above average as a rookie, being someone who listen to her superiors advices and use them, follow orders and have generally a good will to work, is just that they compare her to Fuji who is The Ace.
- In a case of an Abusive Mother, who hurt her 3 year old child, instead of being a sadistic Child Hater, the woman was a teenage mom whose family kicked out and have her husband working aboard,and she was overstressed, after she found herself incredibly guilty of that, but still they took her daughter away from her, much to both sadness because they loved each other, Kawai felt incredibly guilty for this thinking that if she looked deeper on the case they would still be together, she and Kana outright admitted that Kid will probably hate Kawaii, but Kana admitted there was nothing she could do because she was just a grunt.
- Because they tend to be Hot-Blooded their superior dont really like Yamada and Minamoto, while they don't dislike them they outright said that they prefer Makitaka and Nasu who meanwhile doesn't have any great skill (Makitaka is outright said to be the weakest officer in all the station) they are dilligent and don't make dumb mistakes
- Just because someone passed Training from Hell doesn't mean they are going to become great athletes, Kawai passed the police academy training which according to the manga is capable of making men cry, but she doesnt show any Charles Atlas Superpower, actually there are a lot of times she is shown struggling in police work.
- Most officers spend their entire career with little to no experience in using their guns outside of target practice. If one is used to shoot a suspect, the officer/s's actions are to be scrutinized very carefully, especially since Japan has strict anti-gun laws.
- Because their work schedule, and Japan sexist tendencies toward male oriented jobs, is pretty common for policewoman to marry policemen until now all married (Ex)and current policewoman have been married to other officers.
- When officers are involved in strong traumatic incidents, they are often told to take time off or else they cannot function mentally in the field.
- Police officers, just like other first responders, don't have the luxury of having a social life or enjoy holidays because they need to be ready in case of an emergency or they need to work to ensure others can enjoy their holidays by covering their shift.
- Because of their past antics like breaking a car and losing his Badge, the inspectors were extremely vigilant to Minamoto and Yamada.
- When Kawaii got hit by a car but was fine nonetheless Fuji made her work until an ambulance come to check her, this was later revealed to be a facade she was way more affected than she showed with Minamoto having to console her later.
- In one chapter the main duo, had to deal with a lot of animal Jinx like subduing a Dog, making a cow move and deal with a monkey, like they explain they haven't being trained to this kind of stuff so they had a lot of trouble in this, in the cow case Seiji had to do it because he was raised by a police father in the countryside had experience with cows.
- Kana cuts corners and used inquiry to pass her training from the police academy and she is shorter than the minimum height required to be a cop in the first place, making her pretty bad when she need to do something physical.
Takeshi Yamada: [about Makitaka and Kana subding a large female suspect] Sgt. Minamoto, allow me to say something as their peer. Makitaka-san is the type of person you regret doing exercise with and Kana got through the academy solely through trickery. Their inability to do anything physical is laughable.- While Fuji may be The Ace, Yamada reveals she also had her struggles when she was rookie, like when a case had to be shut down for lack of evidence and she apologized endlessly to the victim or when the victim couldn't stand the investigation and decided to suspend the investigation.
- In most cop shows the one who hurt or kill an officer tend to be extremely dangerous criminals like Crime lords or Serial killers , in this case Kimura the criminal who runned over Sakura, was simply a man who was overworked and dozed off and because of his debts tended to lay low, also the only reason why he wasn´t caught was because of the rain all evidence was erased and he got rid of the truck the principal element Fuji used to investigate the case
- After seeing Sakura accident ,her instructor and superior Onigawara entered in a state of shock, this the bad weather, and her not drinking any liquids culminated on her suffering a miscarriage, after that she never went back to police work.
- Just like in Brooklyn Nine-Nine, Fuji explain that the only reason officers like her and Kawaii could work there was because older Policewomen like Yokoi or Onigawara trailblazed during a time where the police was more sexist, and made things easier to younger officers.
- Linked with above, policewomen have to work harder than his male peers so they don't hurt the image of all the policewoman.
- Officer need to have a crime before they can act, until then ,they can only watch or warn people.
- Later in the manga, it's revealed that Kawai distanced herself a little from her family. It turns out her family lives 2 hours away and because of her work schedule, she can't come to visit very often. She's the first police officer in her family and because of a mix of police confidentiality and Mai not wanting to worry them, Mai doesn't really talk about her job.
... which the discussion thread gave me the "OK" to delete after I did a consultation / analysis
...
(Cue Drumroll For War... Edit War)
... only for FALCONER to re-add the whole thing, wholesale (both of them!
), with his excuse amounting to "I disagree with the deletion reasons so I'm adding everything back without even bothering to correct the grammar issues
"
…given the cleanup thread disagrees with him, me re-deleting would constitute as an Edit War. We really don't want that to happen.
They also made Characters.Police In A Pod, which is the character page for the show, I guess they're a fan. But then you see shoehorns like this ( I haven't analyzed it thoroughly, that page is huge)
- Meaningful Name: Fuji is a reference to Mt. Fuji. — Isn't Fuji a super-common Japanese name?
- Meaningful Name: Kawai is cute. — Actually, "Kawai" is a Japanese word that means "Confluence". Also sounds like character gushing.
- Berserk Button: Temporarily after seeing a baby corpse, she got a button with people who downplay security measures specially with kids, a pep talk with Miyahara work this out. — I don't think that's what Berserk Button means? This entry is just "X freaks out after seeing a dead baby"...
- Fair Cop: In a more cute, than sexy way but Kawai is considered quite cute with even Minamoto (who see policewoman as apes) telling her that she is cute, once one of her classmate outright admitted than she is jealous of Kawaii boobs and figure. — "More cute than sexy" — wait, what?
- Brutal Honesty: a big part of the character specially in a Deadpan Snarker way — "X is this" violation, also grammar and lack of punctuations.
- Cool Big Sis: Sometime she gives this feeling with Kawai — "X is this" violation, also grammar and lack of punctuations.
- Fair Cop: She constantly gets compliments for her looks. — What?
There's also
- violation of
Repair, Don't Respond on Recap.The Owl House S 1 E 11 Senses And Insensitivity note since deleted by another user
- Natter
on Recap.What If S 1 E 7 What If Thor Were An Only Child note since deleted by another user
- more grammar stuff and borderline RDR
on Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender The Fire Nation Royal Family
- this edit
to Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender Other Characters and this edit to
Recap.The Simpsons S 21 E 13 The Color Yellow having similar grammar and capitalization issues as the Police Anime page linked above.
- violation of
EDIT: Apologies for the bolding, I know there are guys who consider this an eyesore. It's just, you know, for pointing stuff out
Edited by RobertTYLopenToo Bleak misuse
- The Joker is often criticized for being too bleak a villain. Many writers treat him as less a person and more of an unpredictable, seemingly unstoppable force of chaos who commits acts of gruesome torture (of both the physical and psychological formats) and mass murder, with an ever increasing body count that's often in the four to five digits, often forgetting the comedic angle that made him such a Love to Hate character in the first place. This renders Batman's no-kill policy absolutely pointless and a little Secretly Selfish, as it becomes less about him keeping Gotham safe and more about him staying true to his personal code no matter the consequences.
TBSC is about stories that cause such, so it seems misuse to apply to a specific character, especially one who's remained iconic and popular despite. I say cut as while this might apply to some specific stories it doesn't apply in general/overall as it's too successful to count. Any objections?
Asking here as TBSC cleanup hasn't had any activity in over a month.
open Tropers Policy Discussion
There's an ongoing discussion regarding contributors adding Fetish Fuel and other kink-related self-troping on their Tropers/ pages. Click here
if you want to join the discussion.
openSelf-reporting an edit war
I just realized that I had accidentally edit warred, and wanted to self-report just to be safe.
I was on Monochrome Casting yesterday, and made an addition
; it's one that I knew I had thought about making before, but as it wasn't there I assumed that I hadn't. But then I realized today that I had made that addition before
and just forgotten, and it had since been deleted
. I've now gone back and at least addressed the issue that got it deleted
.
openFound a 4chan forum story, is Literature the right place for it? Literature
Luke: The Plague Son of Nurgle
While doing some cleanup work, came across the above which appears to be an unstructured forum story told by multiple people in 2009 and interspersed with comments from anonymous posters. It's not referenced anywhere else on google besides tvtropes and the forum links themselves.
What is the criteria for a web original forum work being listed? Does it need to have an attributable author? Does it need to have evidence of a reader base? Is there some other criteria we use? Does it need to be something someone can actually pinpoint and consume with a clear line between the work itself and people commenting on it? Is there any kind of minimum length requirement?
When I came across this one, it didn't really seem to fit the "Literature" media space to me though I know WebSerialNovels do get classified under literature.
However, I'm not sure this forum story can even be classified as a novel so that's adding to my confusion.
The work page has 1 wick under "The Pig-Pen", 171 total inbounds, and looks to have been created on November 20, 2021 though the original 4chan threads look like they were all from November 2009.
openToo Long?
Hello again. In Characters.Star Wars Imperial Navy, someone added
a Rousing Speech entry complete with a quote. However, I feel the quote is too long. What do you all think?
- Rousing Speech: Delivers an impressive speech at the start of the Battle of Jakku in Empire's End.
Rax: Loyal soldiers of the Galactic Empire, madness is at our door. Ruffians and barbarians of the Rebel Alliance have claimed for themselves a government of no legitimacy, a government given over to corrosion, chaos, and the corruption born of alien minds and radical terroristic teachings. It was our own Emperor Palpatine who showed us the weakness that presents itself when a Republic becomes sick with the disease of craven politics and the illness of elite oligarchs who force their agendas upon us. With the death of our beloved Emperor, our own Empire was cast into disorder. It gave strength to the illegitimate, and emboldened them with a fraudulent claim of bringing peace and justice to the galaxy—and yet, for so long, who have been the champions of peace? The only war visited upon the galaxy has been the one brought by the criminal Rebel Alliance. Scattered and lost, we could have perished. After attacking Chandrila and injuring the fraudulent politicians who seek to steal the sanctity of our galaxy, I brought us here to Jakku, unifying our people and our powers in this faraway world—a hard world that has tested our mettle and forged us and sharpened us into a stronger blade. A blade with which we will slit the throats of the traitors that crawl on their bellies toward our door. Soon they come! Soon they try to finish what they started. They want to end the Empire. They want to set up as a tumor on a healthy body, leeching the blood while growing fatter like a parasite. They deny our legitimacy. They lie about the stability and sanity we created for the galaxy. For those are their truest weapons: deception and delusion. We must not give in. We must not believe that they are right. We must see them as they are: Brutes and barbarians! They are subhuman. They are alien to us in the truest sense of the word and are deserving of no mercy from us. This is our zero hour, and I call you now to do your duty by the light of the glorious Galactic Empire. The battle to come is not a fight for Jakku or even a fight for the Empire. It is a fight for all the galaxy. If we fail here, we fail everywhere. We fail our loved ones. We fail our children. We fail all who crave constancy and light in these dark times. We pursue no other aim than freedom from oppression, liberty from lies, emancipation from depravity. Today is the day we fight back and reclaim our galaxy. Today is the day the New Republic dies at the Empire's hand. Today we take our future! The battle is upon us. Go! Go and drag them down to the ground and break their necks with your boots! Take their heads! End their tyranny!
HoMM Fan
open Possible overcorrection by Troper
I know natural-strap is already being discussed in another ATT, but I felt this one was worth talking about separately.
they removed
this note from Evolving Trope under portrayal of Germans in media.
"Members of the "Wehrmacht", the actual German military in that time period, need not even be Nazis in a political sense. Saying a German soldier is a Nazi is like saying an American soldier is a Republican or Democrat based purely on the party in power at the time."
with the reason
"the Clean Wehrmacht Myth is just a gussied-up form of soft Holocaust denial and has no place in a wiki that isn't explicitly about German self-justification""
Except... this isn't exactly an example of that. Myth of the Clean Wehrmacht means asserting that the Whermacht did nothing wrong, its commanders in particular. This entry just states that there may have been individual low ranking soldiers who may not have been Nazis in a political sense, which feels like a fair thing to say to me.
In addition, it's about portrayal in media, and there is definitely the presence of the "honorable non-nazi Wehrmacht solider" in media, whether or not it's historically correct.
I am holding on changing it without more feedback.
Edited by TonwenopenUnilateral restoration of "1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die" list
Back in January, there was an ATT thread that moved to delete the list of films on Literature.One Thousand And One Movies You Must See Before You Die for potential copyright infringement, with Tabs actually deleting the list (courtesy link to page history
). jamespolk made a null edit protesting the decision in the edit reason and arguing that it constituted fair use, but only went as far as expressing a hope that the list might be restored some day (and copy/pasting the list to their Troper Wall/ page).
Well, last week, editor TompaDompa
(whose troper page identifies them as the original creator of the page)note Although the page history only goes back to 2019; it was cut for just being a list of the films and nothing else, but TompaDompa successfully petitioned for its restoration in ATT.
decided to restore the list with the edit reason "Agree with the previous editor. Should be no more of a problem than listing the Academy Award winners and nominees, which we also do (though the show itself is obviously copyrighted)." As near as I can tell, this was not discussed anywhere (the Discussion page is empty, and I can't find anything in either ATT or the forums).
Should the list be re-deleted? And if so, is there a suitable notifier to send TompaDompa?
openFolders/Sections on the Shonen Jump page Anime
I'm not going to mince words on it: I think the Shonen Jump page is a complete mess, namely all of the folders and sections in the middle of the page. IMO there's way too many folders, too many gigantic folders, a bunch of weird placements that don't make intuitive sense, a bizarre Adaptations section, etc. I don't know when exactly this happened (based on the Discussion page this has been sitting like this since ~2019) but I do remember the older version of this page from years back and while it wasn't necessarily perfect it was significantly more usable than the page in its current state.
I'm bringing this up here to at the very least draw some attention to it and get some responses and feedback on what should be done before proceeding on anything. Cleaning it up would be quite a bit of work for me to do by myself/on a single go so I would appreciate any help with it, and I'd like to get some consensus on a few things with it as well. Biggest part would be addressing some of the sister mags; while most of the folders are IMO superfluous I do think some are at least worth highlighting given the overlaps involved (for example Viz's Shonen Jump app pulls from Jump+, Jump Square, and V-Jump).
openOdd Stub Page Literature
A Place of Greater Safety has a lot of tropes... on its character pages. The work page itself has a full description but no trope entries, not even commented-out entries.
What to do here?
resolved What to do about 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die
I do remember there being a series of discussions more than a year ago at this rate which went over the various list articles that needed to be removed (which ended around here
). 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die has been brought up, but while the page is alright, and has tropes to justify its existence, there wasn't a conclusive action about what to do with the list itself as it stands in the description. Should that list go or should we just let it be?
open OvershadowedByControversy misuse added back
OvershadowedByControversy.Western Animation
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic:
- The fandom itself suffers from it as well, due to attracting an adult, often male, Periphery Demographic and the fact that a few of said periphery fans have done things that reflected badly on the whole fandom. Having quite a bit of, shall we say, controversial fan art, has ignited some online wars as well, especially when some was made with racist intent.
I previously deleted a similar example (by a seperate troper) per OBC cleanup
as many works have such objectionable fan behavior without effecting the works reception and FIM's success means such was objectively insufficient to overshadow it. Permission to re-remove it and add a note since it's a repeated issue now?

(Been a while since I've used that subject line.) Ghngjnty
is the culprit this time; their grasp of spelling, grammar, and punctuation is tenuous at best. Just looking at their edits since the beginning of June, we have such errors as "espically" for "especially", "appearent" for "apparent", "than" for "then", "embarressed" for "embarrassed"... and, going back a few months to February, the self-demonstrating "unintentionable gibberious" for "unintelligible gibberish" (ironically, replacing the correct phrase in the process). They also have problems with zero-context examples and example indentation (see their edit to NightmareFuel.LA Noire for an example of both of those).
I've sent notifiers for grammar, ZCEs, and indentation, but these problems are so chronic and pervasive that I wondered if further action might be needed.