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open Edit War on VideoGame.Borderlands3
Troper Discar has taken it upon himself to revert extensive cleanup on the VideoGame.Borderlands 3 page. That cleanup included, in the edit history, a link to explicit instructions from a moderator that Speculative Troping should be deleted.
Discar has shown a persistent pattern of obstructionist behavior toward cleanup of Speculative Troping. He apparently has no interest in helping with cleanup efforts by adding citations or context, which is fine, but he is quick to revert or otherwise obstruct others' cleanup efforts, which is not.
Edited by HighCrateopenPerformances of a work on the work page
Can performances of a work be troped on the work page itself? For examples, "Death by Adaptation: In production XYZ, this character dies" or "the female lead is usually played by a male actor in modern productions, adding Homoerotic Subtext to this relationship". (Or if we have any trope pages for compositions, future recordings thereof.) They are objectively present in those performances but not in the text.
openCommon Knowledge in Man of Steel Film
Five years after its release and Man of Steel still causes controversy in this very website. Troper Tuvok deleted the Common Knowledge entry in the movies YMMV page.
The entry said: "The final fight scene with Zod has garnered this reputation. People generally describe it as the fight destroying the entire city with Clark being responsible for most of the destruction and being completely indifferent to the rest. In reality, most of Metropolis is left completely untouched and the destruction seems worse than it is because of the focus given to it and the fact that the film doesn't hold back from showing how terrifying it is from a civilian perspective. Similarly, Clark is personally responsible for almost none of it as much of it was done by Zod's world engine or Zod himself and Clark did make an effort to lead him into space and even made a point of avoiding buildings when he punched him at one point. As for claims of indifference, he was busy trying to stop Zod to begin with who wasn't exactly an easy opponent."
Tuvok justified the deletion with: "The damage was calculated as quite large and city wide as shown in B v S , as well as the Director addressing it [1]
. Snyder wanted there be consequences for hero interactions. ‘’’I wanted a big consequence to Superman’s arrival on earth. Certainly, Batman v. Superman sort of cashes in all its chips on the ‘why’ of that destruction.’’’ Which would signify the damage was large. It was also calculated by various outlets [2]
Done by the Watson Technical Consulting to assess the cost. So confirmation the destruction was city wide, the main critisim during the fight was Clarke punching through flying through various building with no indication of making an effort to check damage caused. Making out with his girlfriend with the city in waste in the background did not help."
I must protest the deletion because Common Knowledge is about correcting and clarifying details about a story that average viewers might not be aware of and Tuvok's reasoning is about reaffirming something the viewers already know. Yes, there is an estimation to the city's damage but there were parts of the city that were largely untouched during the climax. Yes, Superman's fight with Zod caused damage but Superman attempted to limit the damage by fighting Zod in the sky. As for claims of indifference, Superman was busy fighting Zod, so it's not like he was shown not caring about civillian casualties.
What do you think?
Edited by MasterHeroopenAcceptable Targets in ''Survivor''?
Recently while editing YMMV.Survivor, I cut most of an entry for Acceptable Targets since I know there have been issues with misuse in the past and I wasn't convinced the listed examples fit; the only part I left behind as potentially legitimate was about people who quit the game, since "quitters" is a category that automatically gets scorned by the show.
Since then, I glanced over the Acceptable Targets page itself and saw a "This is based on opinion" warning; though I wasn't sure if it meant it was limited to YMMV or that it wasn't to be used period. Happyfrybreath also restored a couple examples and added new ones "that most people seem to agree upon".
So what's the consensus of the community at large? I'm not entirely sure what the right way to use Acceptable Targets is, if at all.
openDarkness Induced Audience Apathy in TROS?
On YMMV.The Rise Of Skywalker, I deleted an example of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy, citing that it was misuse of the trope. A different example of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy was added with no edit reason. Both entries are just complaining about Happy Ending Override and Esoteric Happy Ending, without citing any hopelessness of setting or any characters being unsympathetic.
The only thing that suffers from Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy is the YMMV page itself.
openPossible issue with a Polanski YMMV
From YMMV.Chinatown:
- Harsher in Hindsight: The sexual abuse Noah Cross commits within the movie could be seen in a whole new light after attention was brought to a real-life court case implicating Roman Polański himself in something similar. This
article on Cracked explicitly notes the parallels between how Cross gets off scott-free for his crimes and how Polanski himself escaped jail time by fleeing the U.S.note This is technically not quite what happened, as Polanski's tvtropes page attests. Polanski confessed to his crime, and as per a plea bargain accepted to spend time in Chino Prison as part of a psychiatric evaluation. Polanski spent 42 Days in Chino, honouring his part of the plea bargain and was released early as per the recommendation of his probation officer. It was only when Judge Rittenbrand decided to back out of the plea bargain and planned to bring fresh charges that Polanski decided to flee, an action which the prosecutor of that case admitted was a justified response. In other words, unlike Cross whose crime is never unearthed and who does not admit to his crimes, Polanski both admitted to his crime and subjected himself to the justice system, only running when they backed out of the plea bargain.
Is it me or does the justifying note need changing?
Edited by Chabal2openAversion Example to Delete?
Found this entry on Anime & Manga. Should I delete it?
"Surprisingly averted in Shokugeki no Soma: While cooking is incredibly serious business within Tootsuki, it is recognized that gourmet food is a niche interest outside that limited sphere, and the people who take it seriously do so because they are within that niche, but most of the world couldn't care less. Even the most obsessive cooks never consider cooking to be a goal in itself, but always have another goal in mind and consider food to be a stepping stone towards that goal. The ones that actually do consider food to be the most important thing in existence (Eishi, Azami, young Joichirou, Akira during his tenure at Central) are seen as maladjusted at best, and teetering on the brink of insanity at worst. Soma, the most competitive of the lot, at one points stands to lose his culinary career, but rather sanguinely points out that as a driven, reasonably intelligent sixteen-year-old, he could do a lot of other things with his life than cook, and losing his chosen career would be a heavy blow but hardly a crippling one. Nearly all the main characters are shown to have hobbies and other interests. Isshiki is an organic gardener of growing repute, Yuuki a skilled hunter, Ryoko experiments with brewing, Megumi plays table tennis, Hisako and Ryou take care of their respective charges, Nene plays the zither and is a skilled calligrapher, Senzaemon works out rather obsessively, Azami takes time off to ski and practice iaido, Miyoko is the star of Tootsuki's basketball team and even Erina "God Tongue" Nakiri enjoys afternoons in bed reading romance manga."
open Mod revert on fanfic?
Can I get a mod revert on The Boy Without a Fairy? I had added an alternate link (no pun intended) to the story and revised the description slightly but SneakyHint's edit seems to have overlapped mine, and they added a bunch of ZCEs. I don' want to re-add it myself as that'd be an edit war.
EDIT: Nevermind, the ZC Es are gone now.
Edited by lalalei2001openOutside opinions on disagreement Videogame
Cutting off a brewing edit war at Fallout 3. I'd previously removed the Idiot Plot entry and a user added it back. Here is the entry:
- Idiot Plot: While Fallout 3 is high on the lists of many people for a myriad of reasons, the main plot generally is not one of them.
- The call to action is your dad leaving to jump start his water purifier in order to give the wasteland a source of water. The problem is that this is a non-issue for virtually everyone else living in the wasteland. Aside from everyone having been able to not die of thirst in the 200 years Dad’s device was inactive, the only people you meet in the entire game who are affected by the lack of water are two homeless people that live outside major settlements. This makes his decision seem brash and shortsighted, especially because it resulted in the deaths of many.
- Imagine if you never meet or fight any dragons in Skyrim and the only way you know they exist is because a single npc asks for health potions because of dragon attacks.
- Dad is accosted by the Enclave, who want the purifier for themselves. He decides that a device with unquestionably altruistic functions should be destroyed just so that bad people couldn’t have it. It’s the equivalent of destroying all blood transfusion research so that the Central Powers wouldn’t be able to use it.
- Granted, Eden wanted to use it to kill everyone, but Dad couldn’t have possibly known that at the time.
- You’re railroaded into helping out the residents of Little Lamplight because there is a huge door in your way and children are pointing guns at you. Your only recourse is to take a sidequest or have a perk that is literally useless anywhere else.
- What makes this an example of the trope is that the quest they send you on involves assaulting a fortified base. Forcing your way into Little Lamplight is a much less daunting task but it seems the only reason you can’t do that is because the writer said so.
- You can convince Eden to kill himself in what appears to be a Call-Back to Fallout 1. However, the first Fallout requires a damning amount of evidence to prove to the Master that everything he did has been to the detriment to humanity. Here, you resort to meaningless platitudes that make the President go “Oh well, may as well kill myself.”
- Prior to the DLC, you have to commit radiation-induced suicide to get the heroic ending. Nevermind that you have a handful of companions immune to radiation, even one who retrieved a Macguffin from insurmountable radiation. The DLC mitigates this but still calls you a coward for being intelligent.
- The call to action is your dad leaving to jump start his water purifier in order to give the wasteland a source of water. The problem is that this is a non-issue for virtually everyone else living in the wasteland. Aside from everyone having been able to not die of thirst in the 200 years Dad’s device was inactive, the only people you meet in the entire game who are affected by the lack of water are two homeless people that live outside major settlements. This makes his decision seem brash and shortsighted, especially because it resulted in the deaths of many.
A lot of these points are nitpicking ("no one needs water but the beggars", "the game pulls But Thou Must! at Little Lamplight") and full of natter (most of the secondary subbullets). The only thing approaching a legitimate complaint is Dad and Eden's decisions, but Dad doesn't destroy the purifier he floods its control room with radiation to keep the Enclave away from it, and the speech check with Eden is very difficult to make and the entire idea of the Speech skill is talking people into agreeing with you, so this is less a case of idiocy on Eden's part and more the developers didn't write good dialogue. And the Heroic Sacrifice ending has been retconned away so that point is moot.
Overall this is just a misuse of Idiot Plot and not applicable.
openFanfic self-recommender with numerous issues.
Bearquarter2008
has loads of editing issues. Poor grammar and formatting, he can't format tropes correctly, and he appears to be recommending his own fics on fanfic recommendation pages. I first caught him on FanficRecs.MrPeabodyAndSherman
where he recommended some Toy Story fanfic under his fanfic username "Michell Movie Productions" (said fanfic was written by him too) back in 2017, and now he's recommending his own fics again in numerous pages
under the name "anonymous" (said fanfics notably don't have their creator listed, and if clicked confirm they're written by the same guy).
He's also made pages
for
his fics: they're incorrectly formatted, incorrectly link to tropes, aren't in alphabetical order and suffer a myriad of other issues.
openEdit War in the Code Lyoko Characters page. Western Animation
Georgie Enkoom listed an example of Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse in the Code Lyoko page, where he describes a character that tries to be The Atoner, but is rejected by the other characters. I deleted it due to mis-use, as the situation described is actually Heel–Face Door-Slam, and the entry itself has many points that seem to be based on speculation. However, Georgie almost immediately added it back with no edit reason whatsoever, and worse, he undid another one of my edits where I explain/hide a few Zero Context Examples, apparently out of spite.
It should also be noted that his edits
have some basic grammar errors. A few of his latest ones include:
"As a good guy, he dishes one to nine Creepers, who doesn't even touches him."
"He can throw his swords, but it doesn't guarantees that it will always hit."
Some of his other edits are also blanket statements:
"Half the Man He Used to Be: One of his preferred methods to devirtualize the Lyoko-warriors."
"Impaled with Extreme Prejudice: see Half the Man He Used to Be above."
I have fixed some of these, but given his reaction to my first edit, I wouldn't be surprised if the conflict escalated.
Edited by TantaMontyopenpossible vandalism?
P360360P made this change
and this change
to The Jerk Index. I know it's a Self-Demonstrating Article, but judging by the way this was written, it looks like vandalism to me.
openSociopathic Soldier
Some guy edited the description trope and replaces a few important categories. Should we revert them back?. His reasoning to edit it seems self-righteous and based on his own value
Edited by jun_kagamiopenShould this be removed from the Gundam YMMV? Anime
I've noticed this particular example while I was browsing:
- Americans Hate Tingle: The Gundam franchise is very unpopular in Brazil, since most of Brazilian anime fans dislike mecha series. The only anime aired in the country was Mobile Suit Gundam Wing and the Mobile Suit Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz OVAs during the beginning of the 2000s in the Cartoon Network, but it was clearly overshadowed by other animations like Dragon Ball Z, Rurouni Kenshin and YuYu Hakusho in the channel. Even the Brazilian fansubs don't have interest on it, most of them don't bother subbing any of the series that came before Mobile Suit Gundam SEED and Mobile Suit Gundam 00.
Speaking as a Brazilian myself, I'd like to clarify some things:
- I really don't know where this supposed mecha stigma came from, even other shows like Code Geass have a solid fanbase in the Otaku community of the country.
- Wing was in fact overshadowed by other animations, but the franchise never aired again in all of Latin America; Seed was planned to air in the country alongside SD Gundam before it was licensed and Wing itself was even revisited by another TV block not affiliated with Cartoon Network.
- All pre-2000 Gundam shows are available and are easy to find thanks to fansubs made by devoted fans, gaining a small but dedicated cult-following in the process. In recent years, the modern Gundam shows are much more popular than their predecessors and are enjoyed by many in the community.
So yeah, It's certainly not "hated" or "very unpopular". This section was noted by another Brazilian troper a few years ago, who had this to say: "As an actual brazilian anime fan, I think that this post is making things sound worse than they actually are. And the "most of series are either not subbed or dropped" part is factually incorrect. Big fansubs groups may have not subbed Gundam anime before Seed, but smaller and specialized groups did it."
Edited by TheMadCr0wopenUnnecessary swearing and/or WordCruft?
I was perusing the Draconic Abomination page, and noticed the entry for Dragon Project seems a little excessive, particularly in terms of vulgarity. Don't want to come across as a Bluenose Bowdlerizer, so I figured I'd raise the subject here. Here's the entry in question:
- In Dragon Project, the Dark Oracle Spear Behemoth is Vile Mezarenda, a winged serpentine dragon with an eye at the end of its tail and a massive sinister eye where its face is supposed to be. This "thing", along with the Light Burst Greatsword Behemoth, Ruthless Illugion, serve as guardians for an abandoned dragon sanctuary that doubles as an archive. Its mere appearance was unnerving enough, but it has some Lovecraftian Superpowers up its sleeve, such as summoning shadowy spikes that trap unlucky Hunters to their demise or breaking its own FUCKING EYE OFF to buff itself, leaving behind an empty eye-socket with glowing Tron Lines. The nightmare doesn't stop there, as the empty eye-socket occasionally drips dark black puddles of blood that deal damage when stepped on. The worst part? One of the snake dragon's lovely attacks is to summon the aforementioned spikes, turn its eye into a makeshift black hole, and crawl around the battlefield in frightening speeds while sucking up any unfortunate Hunter within its eye-socket before slamming its head against the ground, strong enough to border on a One-Hit KO. It doesn't help that a bug will turn the unfortunate Hunter into an invisible yet frail spectre that cannot deal any damage yet can receive damage until their demise.note Thankfully the bug can be fixed by changing your weapons or disconnecting and reconnecting the game.
openReclassification of the AK-12 from Rare to Cool Guns
In light of the fact that Russia has finally managed to adopt the AK-12 into mainline service, should it be moved from Rare Guns status and into more conventional Cool Guns status?
The actual example itself also highlights this fact, so I question the current validity of its "rare" status.
Edited by TsierraopenA very difficult case of AffablyEvil vs FauxAffablyEvil.
I know I just asked about a similar case earlier, but there's an even more complicated case of a character being listed as both, and in this case, I'm genuinely wondering if he doesn't zigzag between the two in the one and only episode where he appears:
Dr. Dave from CSI. Both tropes are listed on the series' page:
- "Affably Evil: Doctor Dave, the serial-killing dentist from the episode "Sweet Jane". He has a pleasant chat with Catherine about loving his work (dentistry, not serial killing), and how he especially takes care to make a child's first trip to the dentist the least frightening and painful as possible. And when she confronts him about his crimes, not only does he never once deny that he is, in fact, a murderer, he describes the killings in the same affectionate tone that he just described trying to make a trip to the dentist less scary for kids. Ned Beatty's note-perfect performance was a complete blend of utterly friendly and utterly scary-creepy.
- To push this even farther, when Catherine is trying to mix the putty for his dental impression, he remarks that she's not quite doing it right and does both the mixing and the impression himself; again, as politely as one could possibly be while fessing up to being a serial killer."
- "Faux Affably Evil: No greater example than Doctor Dave from the episode "Sweet Jane", a very nice Cool Old Guy and dentist who does gags to keep kids from being afraid when they visit him... and he is also an utterly unapologetic Serial Killer who targeted girls that had just arrived to town and was not caught for decades (it helped him that he only felt the urge to kill at least once a decade or so) and he said that he still could recall the girls' names but refused to tell the police (so they would remain Jane Does forever) in the same peppy tone he used to chide Catherine about how she wasn't mixing the dental template gel right."
I hate to bother you all, but this seems...complicated.
open Wiki/VsBattlesWiki
A page for Vs Battles Wiki was created today. The main purpose of that wiki is to categorize various characters by their powers, strengths, and weaknesses and pit them against each other — think DEATH BATTLE! as a wiki and with way more people involved.
The page has only been live for a few hours and already it's filled with tropes about the wiki itself and its users. Assuming the actual content of the wiki is enough to trope, is it worth it to keep the page around?
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenDubious Trope Namers Western Animation
TropeNamers.The Simpsons lists Glove Slap and The Dog Was the Mastermind. Glove Slap seems like too generic a term to be named by The Simpsons, while TropeNamers.Video Games lists Silent Hill 2 as the trope namer. The Dog Was the Mastermind page itself says in the description that the Silent Hill 2 joke ending is the Trope Namer in the description and the video games folder, while also saying in the Western Animation folder that the trope is named after the Simpsons episode "Beyond Blunderdome". "Beyond Blunderdome" aired in 1999, while Silent Hill 2 came out in 2001. SimCity is also listed as the Trope Namer for Not in My Backyard!, while according to Wikipedia, the term dates back to at least 1980.

The trope section of Creator.Andrzej Sapkowski is in large parts dedicated to bashing the author for various grievances that seem mostly to revolve around the author's negative commentary resp. legal battles regarding various adaptations of his works, and the author supposedly generally being an avaricious hypocrite (source: TV Tropes).
While the entire page could certainly need a big clean-up, an almost-Edit War has lately ignited over the following example of Disowned Adaptation:
Recently troper Revolutionary_Jack removed the last sentence of the entry, with the, in my opinion very reasonable, edit reason that
The deletion was restored (with a slight expansion regarding the author's "messy and utterly pointless copyright battle") by Dratewka. I myself got then involved by cutting everything after Sapkowski's statement on the movie, on the grounds of it not actually belonging there in the first place.
Dratewka has again reverted the example, the only change being a further expansion in form of a lengthy note, the point of which seems to be the argument that the author is to be blamed for the movie being bad. Edit reason:
Courtesy link to the edit history
.
I'd be glad for other tropers or a mod to weigh in.
Edited by LordGro