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openDDLC Edit War
On the Doki Doki Literature Club! page, this Unintentionally Unsympathetic entry was added by Tropers/Justmenoworries in November 2020.
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Monika, for some. You're meant to feel sorry for her because she knows her world is artificial and desires something, anything real in her life. But a lot of players had a hard time feeling sympathy for a girl who would drive two of her friends to suicide and outright kill the third in cold blood, just to get some alone time with someone she barely even knows. Monika tries to justify this at first, stating that Natsuki, Sayori and Yuri are just programs, not self-aware like she is. However, that argument holds less and less water the more you think about it. Note While the girls never come to the same realization as Monika, save for Sayori who becomes full self-aware in both endings, they do always notice something's wrong when Monika messes with their programming. And even then, the fact remains that Monika viewed her three best friends as disposible, if it would just get her the attention of someone she was (supposedly) in love with.
Last September, Mummy Ga Ga deleted it with the edit reason, "Monika has a Heel Realization at the end though." Two months later Justmenoworries added the entry back exactly the same saying, "The fact that Monika has a Heel Realization at the end doesn't change what she did to the other girls and MC. A lot of fans still found her unsympathetic after said realization." For the entry itself, I'll run it through the U.U. thread to see if it sticks.
openOdd edit war in Moral Myopia
Here's a weird situation: Back in March, stankykong added a Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness example (yeah, Strange again) to MoralMyopia.Live Action Films. Loekman3 rightfully deleted it, saying to wait for release in case of Trailers Always Lie. stanky did as asked, and waited until last weekend to restore it... except the trailer did lie, and stanky's entry is inaccurate (stanky and the marketing focused on Strange's actions in No Way Home, while the actual movie points to Infinity War instead).
Now obviously, the entry needs to be updated to accurately reflect the movie, and I can do that myself if nobody else gets to it first. But a blanket restore without bothering to correct bad information (did stanky even see the movie yet?) feels like something that needs to be addressed.
openFinding Nemo and Overprotective Dad Western Animation
I'm not 100% sure this is the right place to ask. My doubt isn't about the entry itself or its usage, but the correctness of this entry in YMMV.Finding Nemo that I find rather excessive:
- "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny:
- Marlin is the Trope Codifier of the Overprotective Dad trope mostly found in Western Animation. This has resulted in many other overprotective dads, like Dracula, Samson and Manny being seen as rip-offs of him.
openEdit war.
On YMMV.Six Of Crows the Complete Monster Entries were changed without discussion on thee thread from these:
- Complete Monster:
- Jan Van Eck is a seemingly-respectable merchant who turns out to be an egotistical sociopath obsessed with his own glory and reputation. Callously disowning his son Wylan for his dyslexia that has made him illiterate, Van Eck divorces his wife, throws her into an asylum and tells Wylan she's dead so he can steal all her assets. When his new wife is pregnant, Van Eck tries to have Wylan murdered. After enlisting Kaz Brekker for a job and learning Kaz has Wylan hostage, Van Eck later attempts to betray Kaz and have Wylan murdered via having his ship sunk. It turns out Van Eck is behind a scheme to cheat his fellow merchants and distribute jurda parem to enslave the Grisha, or those with magic, subjecting them to addiction or death, all as long as he profits from the chaos he inflicts.
- Heleen Van Houden, or Tante Heleen, the cruel owner of the brothel the Menagerie, buys teenage girls from foreign nations and cruelly trains them to be Sex Slave prostitutes. From Inej Ghafa's backstory, we see this involves horrific abuse, both physical and psychological with Heleen repeatedly having her whipped and beaten, even having a girl who kept some money from a client cruelly murdered in front of the other girls as a lesson. Even after being freed by Kaz, Inej is intensely scarred by her time at the Menagerie, and Heleen gleefully taunts her of it when they meet, even trying to have Inej killed later. Utterly reprehensible and dedicated to making a fortune from the sexual enslavement of countless young women, Tante Heleen is one of the worst that Ketterdam has to offer.
To these:
- Complete Monster:
- Jan Van Eck is a seemingly-respectable merchant who turns out to be an egotistical sociopath obsessed with his own glory and reputation. Callously disowning his son Wylan for his dyslexia (that has made him illiterate), Van Eck divorces his wife, throws her into an asylum to get rid of her, and tells Wylan she's dead so he can steal all her assets. When his new wife (who's only a few years older than Wylan himself) becomes pregnant, Van Eck tries to have his son murdered. After enlisting Kaz Brekker for a job and learning Kaz has Wylan hostage, Van Eck attempts to betray Kaz in order to have Wylan murdered via having his ship sunk. It also turns out Van Eck is behind a scheme to cheat his fellow merchants and distribute jurda parem to enslave the Grisha, or those with magic, subjecting them to addiction or a painful death. As long as long as he profits from the chaos he inflicts, he doesn't care about those he hurts.
- Heleen Van Houden, or Tante Heleen, is the cruel owner of the brothel known as the Menagerie. She buys trafficked teenage girls from foreign nations and brutally trains them to be prostitutes. From Inej Ghafa's backstory, we see this involves horrific abuse, both physical and psychological, with Heleen repeatedly having her whipped and beaten. She even has a girl violently murdered as a "lesson" with all of the other girls watching after learning she was "wronging" her by keeping some money from a client. Even after being freed by Kaz, Inej is intensely scarred by her time at the Menagerie - to where she couldn't even walk past the brothel without having a panic attack. Heleen, knowing Inej's trauma by her hand, gleefully taunts her whenever they meet and even tries to have her killed. Utterly reprehensible and dedicated to making a fortune from the sexual enslavement of countless young women, Tante Heleen is one of the worst that Ketterdam has to offer.
It was changed by by
a troper
called
HazelEyes14
a couple of times. This is not the first
time
they have edited these entries despite it being reverted
each time
with warnings not to do it without thread discussion. They also edited
the Magnificent Bastard entry without discussion as far as I can tell.
openCreator page redirecting to a UsefulNote
When editing the page for Series.Space 1999, I found that not only does its producers Gerry and Sylvia Anderson not have creator pages, but Creator.Gerry Anderson is a redirect to the Useful Notes page UsefulNotes.Supermarionation, which is about an animation technique frequently used by the Andersons.
Is it really kosher to have a creator page redirecting to a useful note which is not even supposed to be about the creator in question? I think it would actually be better to remove the redirect and have Creator.Gerry Anderson create a redlink, until a proper creator page can be created (I might get around to that myself when I get the time).
Edited by GnomeTitanopenBBC too soon.
- Base-Breaking Character: Yuehiro, the Transgender male Twi’lek, caused some controversy among the fanbase. In addition to the expected vocal minority of transphobes, there was also debate over whether it was realistic for him to take hormones the same way a transperson would in the real world, since medical technology in the GFFA would presumably be miles advanced of our own, not to mention the differences between human and Twi’lek biology. The author herself
eventually addressed this on her Twitter and Tumblr, stating that it was mostly just Rule of Cool.
The work released October 12, 2021, so it's too soon for BBC which needs 6 months.
It's currently the only trope on the page. Should the page be cut or is there anything else to add to it/replace BBC with?
openMulti-language quote
So I checked out Administrivia.Text Formatting Rules to check out its quote formatting section and I didn't get the answer to my question, so here it is - how do we format a quote if the person switches languages throughout it?
Specifically, I'm eventually going to propose a Complete Monster quote, and the speaker is a Chinese-American who switches languages throughout the quote. For a brief excerpt, he says "I want you to show yourself for the good of all", then immediately switches to Chinese to say "I don't want to shoot you all". How would that be formatted? Would we just italicize the Chinese parts or something else??
openGainax Ending Cleanup?
So I wasn't sure about posting this in short term projects, as I wanted to get some consensus first.
But I was going through Gainax Ending after being potholed there and...it has some problems. I don't think the trope itself needs to be fixed, but there is some misuse, and it also leads into complaining as editors often use it as a way of saying "this ending is confusing and that means bad".
Here's an example:
- Lost seems like this trope if you have no knowledge of 2,000 year old religions like Neoplatonism or Gnosticism that it draws from (or can't type "dharma" into Wikipedia). Since the ending does make sense but is hidden under enough Mind Screw to not have an easy explanation, it is the second form of Gainax Ending. If an ending requires a couple of college courses (such as "Religious Studies") or other extensive off-screen research to understand it, it's a Gainax Ending.
Sniping aside, this example tells me precisely nothing about what actually happens in the ending of Lost. Now, I've seen it, but if I hadn't, this example would be the opposite of informative.
But there are plenty of examples where I haven't seen the thing in question, so I wouldn't know to correct them. But there are also a lot of ZC Es (one example in Film mentions a Sy Fy original but doesn't even name the film in question), that amount to "X movie has an ending that is totally crazy, nobody knows what it means!" without saying what makes the ending so crazy.
The example for Dr. T and the Women does this as it does mention what happens- "the protagonist ends up in Mexico and helps deliver a baby." which ironically leaves out the part this actually odd-he only gets to Mexico (presumably) because a tornado drops him there.
Is this a big enough issue to require a Clean-up thread? Or should I just correct the examples I know about (like Lost) and leave the rest up to others.
Also-should Gainax Ending really apply to say, season finales or the like? I saw an episode on Euphoria (which is what brought me here), that was basically "this season ends on a weird note, but then subsequent events make it more clear".
openedit war, self report
Recently deleted some examples from dramedy, including One Piece and Dragon Ball, however I realized when checking the history that I had already removed Dragon Ball previously. Also realised that those examples were added both times by quackytrope. So- my apologies for the edit war, I have pm'd quackytrope to discuss the example and I will be sure to watch more closely for edit wars in the future
Edited by Tremmor19open Fallout 4's Brotherhood of Steel page Videogame
Hello, fairly recently a mass edit was made to the F4's ECBOS character page, removing almost everything positive about the faction, nuance on the synths and stating that they target sane ghouls and that Tegan's farm mission is officially sanctioned by Arthur despite both being outright false and Tegan himself admitting its the opposite. (This behavior is also what got him locked up, something he also alludes to)
Evidence from Teagen,
Tegan:{very warm / Happy} Step forward, Knight... even though they've locked me in this blasted cage, I promise that I won't bite.
Player Default: "Caps on the side," eh? Doesn't sound like official military business to me.
Tegan:{Thinking} Well, it is and it isn't. It's... complicated.
-source https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/BoSProctorTeagan.txt
Relevant wiki pages for Tegan,
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Teagan
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Feeding_the_Troops
From what I understand reverting it could potentially lead to a edit war, so I decided ask about it here and will notify memetron with the link once the page is up.
Edited by TheSwordsmanopenIssue on Midnight Mass work page
Capretty moved a trope example from the main work page to the YMMV page, even though the trope is objective. The work is Midnight Mass (2021) and the trope is Satire, which is not listed on any YMMV index. The edit reason for this move states: "These are all personal opinions from one source, so I moved it to the YMMV page." The "one source" happens to be the show itself which I watched before adding this example. This is the trope example:
- Satire: The show ultimately tries to point out the folly of being religious. The first two episodes clearly establish that the writers respect those with religious beliefs by accurately portraying Catholicism, but after that the show gets more and more offensive to religious people. By the end of the the first season, it's clear this is a satire that favors atheism over religious beliefs.
- The Decoy Protagonist is an atheist who tries to stop the Catholic vampires, and the first victim of the show, a dog, is killed by the most well-read Catholic character.
- There are some "classic" anti-Catholic tropes present throughout the season, such as only one Catholic knowing much about Scripture, Catholics drinking literal blood as opposed to blood in the form of wine, the Church embezzling people's money, the monsignor regretting becoming a priest and fraternizing with a member of his flock, the faithful being timid and subservient to the one person who quotes Scripture the most, and Catholics being generally closed-minded concerning other religions.
- While there are two characters who are Muslim, one of them converts to Catholicism and by the end of the show they both die while praying. Moreover, the Catholic vampires all die while singing a hymn, which is a form of prayer.
- In the season finale, one of the supposedly devout Catholics, who has attended Mass every day, suddenly goes through a "death-bed conversion" to atheism, insisting that she will become one with the universe after decomposing and even going so far as to use the phrase "I am that I am," making herself equivalent to God, which is the last thing one would expect a devout Christian to say.
This person also moved an example of Actor Allusion to the Trivia subpage despite the fact that Actor Allusion is not a Trivia trope.
EDIT: In addition to moving the Satire entry to YMMV.Midnight Mass 2021, this troper then proceeded to completely delete the entry even from the YMMV page. If you look at the page history for the YMMV page,
you'll see that the move happened on the 23rd and then the deletion happened on the 24th.
openTroper with Indentation (and other) issues, continues to do so over the course of almost a year
I've noticed a troper by the name of Arachnos continues to break the rules written in Example Indentation in Trope Lists, along with others, since at least February this year.
Here are some of their past violations:
Characters.Hololive Japan Generation Five - Feb 25th
- Sad Clown: Has hints of this but more melancholic and reflective than outright depressed. In a very short video
she explains her motivations for why she's taken up the role of a circus performer.
- Polka: "Don't let people laugh at you. Make them laugh." Those were my father's words. He was a popular ringmaster in our hometown. I loved my father, I really did. That's why I wanted to be in the circus, too.
- This is also implied by the songs she tends to cover. While her original Hologram Circus is about her enthusiasm and love of entertaining others, her later covers tend to feature dark and depressing lyrics set to happy upbeat music. As an insightful YouTube commenter points out:
"1st song, original
- welcomes to the circus and dreams of making a spectacular show
2nd song, cover
- talks about how nobody loves her and how she doesn't love herself
3rd song, cover
- talks about how she smiles and sings through the pain
4th song, cover
- She snaps and is now crazy, doesn't care about what happens, she loves you
hmmm i'm seeing a pattern here"
Along with the standard 2nd-level bullet pitfall; as per Administrivia.Text Formatting Rules -> Quotes Formatting, quotes other than Page Quotes should not be enclosed in quotation marks.
Characters.Hololive English Generation One Myth - May 27th
- Irony: Even though she is a Grim Reaper, she tends to either A) be the first one to die when playing with others or B) almost never get a chance to be the "killer" in Asymmetric Multiplayer games. This happens so frequently that Gura lampshades this trend
during a group playthrough of Phasmophobia:
- Gura: It's kinda ironic how Calli always dies first, even though she's Death. [laughs]
- As an incarnation or deity of death that totes a massive scythe, many expected her to have a Bad Ass, dominating personality. She does come off that way in most of her raps, but that aside, she's more in the "lovable and kind-hearted dork trying and utterly failing to present herself as a cool edgy reaper" territory. Considering that she is a fan of gap moe, this is very likely intentional.
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- Irony: Just like Calliope, she's one of the holoEN girls whose Eldritch Abomination persona would normally be associated with the darkest implications - Cosmic Horror, madness, the end of the world, and whatnot. You might expect her to be very chaotic or horror-focused, but, despite the occasional moment of casual creepiness or degeneracy, Ina is on the whole possibly the most wholesome, cute and calm member of the EN branch, with Token Human Amelia being arguably more eldritch than she is. It's been joked by her fanbase that Ina's streams tend to restore sanity as opposed to damaging it.
Along with the standard 2nd-level bullet pitfall; as per Sinkhole -> Chained sinkholes, internal links should not be placed right next to each other.
Characters.Hololive Haato Ch - Jul 15th
- Mind Rape: Threatened to pull one on Luna while losing a bowling game:
As per Administrivia.Text Formatting Rules -> Quotes Formatting, Article Quotes should not be enclosed in quotation marks or italicized. Also, the name of the speaker is missing.
WebAnimation.Hololive - Aug 23rd
- American Kirby Is Hardcore: The Japanese cast's characters are all a variation of many different motifs, most of them cute or beautiful. The first generation of English-speaking v-tubers? They all got an Eldritch Abomination motif. Mind you, they're still very cute.
- And the second generation of holoEN outright consists of divine avatars of concepts such as space, time, and nature.
I've fixed all these past entries, but these are only within the hololive namespace, so I have no idea what how many and what other violations they did in other works.
Their most recent ones in hololive are:
Characters.Hololive English Generation Two Council - Dec 2nd
- Irony: Despite being the embodiment of Chaos, she was appointed by the Gods to be The Leader of the Council. In other words, she is responsible for maintaining order among the five.
- Also, despite being an incarnation of Chaos, she is not significantly more chaotic than any of the other four Council members. Sometimes even less so. This leads to a fan theory that Baelz does not so much actively cause chaos as she does attract it, i.e. she is a Weirdness Magnet and her presence warps the other members into becoming chaotic.
Characters.Hololive Haato Ch - Dec 2nd
- Mind Rape: Threatened to pull one on Luna after being taunted by her while losing a bowling game.
- She attempts this again against 6th genner La+ Darkness with her rap dedicated to her
, which also contains the line "Your brain... Haachama-chama!" Unfortunately for Haachama, La+ proves to be a tough nut to crack.
- Sitcom Arch-Nemesis: Has this dynamic with Luna ever since the takoyaki incident.
- More recently, she has this kind of dynamic with 6th gen talent La+ Darkness, whom Haachama took a special interest in
(likely due in no small part to both of them having a chuunibyou aesthetic going on) and tried to "make into her subordinate" by means of a rap to assert her dominance
. However, La+ proved she's not one to be trifled with by responding with a rap of her own
, which proved impressive enough for Haachama to actually admit defeat
.
- More recently, she has this kind of dynamic with 6th gen talent La+ Darkness, whom Haachama took a special interest in
Along with the standard 2nd-level bullet pitfall; as per Examples Are Not Recent, examples that talk about the "recency" of something should always be avoided.
Characters.Hololive Japan Generation Six Holo X - Dec 3rd
- Know When to Fold 'Em: After Haachama challenges her to a rap battle, La+ retaliates with her own rap, defeating Haachama (by the latter's own admission). However, when chat challenges her to do a rap battle with Calliope Mori, the normally arrogant and confident La+ is quick to admit her inferiority in the face of Death itself.
As per Administrivia.Text Formatting Rules -> Quotes Formatting, Article Quotes should not be italicized. Also, the name of the speaker is missing.
I've already messaged them three times about Indentation, as well as once about Quote Formatting, directing them to & informing them about the points mentioned in the Administrivia pages, but I've gotten no response from them.
Given that there has been no improvement whatsoever for so long, it doesn't look like they will give a slightest care about these issues anytime soon unless something is done.
Edited by AsoktencheaopenAssPull Discussion Follow-up Anime
Back in November, I added an entry to the Bleach page relating to an Ass Pull in the final arc. To summarize it as much as I can; a character with an established ability is told that he was using it wrong and that essentially his Guardian Entity had given him a fake name because it deemed him "not worthy". This is told essentially right before the character uses the new power for the first time. The entry is below.
The reveal that Renji's Bankai (Hihio Zabimaru) was actually the result of not using the true name of Zabimaru's Bankai, Sōō Zabimaru, comes out of nowhere in the final arc and doesn't even get a good explanation for why Zabimaru would lie or hide it's true name from Renji for no reason beyond a vague idea of Zabimaru not respecting him enough. The only piece of foreshadowing is if you understand the Meaningful Name of his original Bankai, "Baboon King Snake Tail", versus the true name, "Twin Kings Snake Tail", but not only does that require understanding Japanese or having it flat out spelt out, but the only reason one could guess at the idea is if you interpret the names, which any normal reader would realistically not think of.
Tropers/bandersnitch removed it, citing; "Renji's Zanpakto Spirit is a Nue. A being that is around 90% babboon and 10% snake. Yet his original Bankai was mostly based on the snake, so that was a clue that he hadn't unlocked the full potential of his Bankai."
Nubian Satyress and myself took this to discussion and discussed this with Bandersnitch about how the entry fit, but as of today there has been no follow-up since December 9th.
The only points Bandersnitch argued was that the Meaningful Name and appearance foreshadowed it, but upon reviewing the information, Nubian and myself argued this was Faux Symbolism because, well frankly, this is a medium where a Meaningful Name is used for Rule of Cool moreso then anything.
So this is to get others opinion on it and try and bring this topic to a close. For those wondering, Nubian and myself feel this qualifies as an Ass Pull while Bandersnitch does not.
Edited by keyblade333openContinuity Error or too soon to say?
WesternAnimation.My Little Pony A New Generation:
- Continuity Snarl: In spite of being a loose continuation of Friendship is Magic, the movie's plot point of magic being gone creates a lot of small conflicts with the show's worldbuilding, chiefly centering on how G4 depicted both the day-night cycle and the day-to-day managing of nature and the weather as being dependent on active magic, despite their being still running in the movie, and on how when the pony tribes were divided and hostile in G4's own backstory this didn't cause a loss of magic as it did here.
- Series Continuity Error: While there are many, many references to Generation 4 due to this being a Sequel Series, there are some things that don't line up, particularly the fact that here ponies only have their cutie marks on their right side when in Friendship is Magic ponies have them on both sides.
- What Happened to the Mouse?: In Generation 4, it's shown that disharmony between the three pony races summons ghostly, horse-like creatures known as Windigos that feed on their negative emotions and turn Equestria into an icy wasteland. Here, the three races living apart and believing the worst of each other seems to have eliminated magic entirely, with no hint of the Windigos ever being a problem, though it's possible they were destroyed at the end of Friendship is Magic.
It's possible, if not likely given the Continuity Nods, these seeming Continuity Errors will be explained in the upcoming series. Should they thus be moved to What Happened to the Mouse?
Speaking of Mouse, does/should it only apply to unresolved elements brought up in the work itself or can it include such regarding prior installments?
And/or should any of this be moved to Fridge/Headscratchers as too soon to say if it will be addressed later or not? How long should we give before it's safe to assume the former two will remain unresolved thus counting as Error and Snarl. And should the Snarl be moved to Error as Snarl is caused by complex/convoluted continuity (the difference between Error and Snarl was brought to cleanup but I believe that stalled out)?
openiDubbbz and Content Cop Web Original
So, I've looked on WebVideo.I Dubbbz TV to find that WebVideo.Content Cop exists. Problem is, I don't know if this page is troping real life. While Ian is certainly playing a character here, he's still going after real life people who've made problematic content on YouTube.
Be warned that there's quite a lot of mentions of hypocrisy in the examples I'm about to list.
- Dirty Coward: This is Ian's biggest problem with Leafy. He demonstrates that Leafy regularly directs vicious insults at channels too small to make a real retaliation, playing it off as praeteritio or feigning ignorance, only to whine about drama or people talking behind his back when insults of the same variety are hurled his way. As Ian puts it:
Straight off the bat, I want all of the newcomers to my channel know that I'm perfectly fine with bullying. Make fun of someone because they're fat, autistic, or riddled with acne. I don't care, make fun of them. I think my only stipulation with the bullying is that you have to not be a pussy.
- Hypocrite: most of the Content Cops rip on hypocrisy on the subject's parts.
- In "Busting Jinx Reload," Ian riffs on Jinx's watermarking his original videos so they cannot be reacted to, despite being a reaction channel.
- Keemstar's Content Cop points out his lashing out at Pyrocynical's light criticism of him, despite having made a career out of making much harsher criticism; claiming to not use Drama Alert's influence to bully, before subsequently threatening to reveal information solely to direct the Internet mob's vitriol at people who anger him.
- Leafy is criticized for making attacks on people's appearances, despite clearly being insecure about his chin; using Keemstar to boost his platform, despite Keemstar's many controversies being public knowledge, and only ending their friendship when the YouTube community turned on him; and whining about drama whenever being called out for bullying, despite having made a career out of insulting other YouTubers.
- Ian attacks Tana Mongeau for telling him to kill himself for using the N-word, despite having used it herself in the past and in a much more vicious manner than Ian, and for recording a stream of her crying at the negative comments directed at her for the inflammatory and hypocritical comments she directed at iDubbbz.
- Irony: Ian devotes a good chunk of the Jinx Content Cop to pointing out that Jinx, who has made a career out of Stealing the Credit from other creators by reacting to their videos, puts watermarks on the few original videos of his, something done to make sure copyrighted material can't be infringed on.
- "The Reason You Suck" Speech: Rather, a "The Reason You and Your Channel Suck" speech. Content Cop is essentially a 10 to 20 minutes long version of this, but special mention goes to his videos on Keemstar and LeafyIsHere, who had their channels and reputation systematically dismantled.
"'Oh, you'll ruin my career, Keemstar? Good fucking luck. You're not going to ruin my career, you dumb piece of shit, and I've shown you why you aren't going to ruin my career; I'm smarter than you, you can't think before you speak, and I've never said this unironically, but I think this will be the first time I've said this unironically and mean it: kill yourself.'"
- Take That!: Content Cop tends to be this for the people iDubbbz criticizes, but he does throw in some pot shots at certain other Youtubers. Including himself.
- Content Cop - TOY REVIEW CHANNELS (GIANT SURPRISE EGG)
- In the toy box, iDubbbz finds a toy gun dubbed "Sam Pepper's Kill Your Best Friend Prank Gun".
- Content Cop - KEEMSTAR
- When recounting the Keemstar incident involving Pyrocynical, he describes Pyrocynical as someone who "sucked Keemstar's dick half the time".
- Content Cop - Leafy
- iDubbbz points out that Grade A Under A, along with the titular Leafy, is a hypocrite for using Keemstar to boost his platform despite Keemstar's many controversies being public knowledge and only ending their friendship when the YouTube community turned on him. That being said, iDubbbz does give them both the benefit of the doubt although this does lead iDubbbz to another conclusion...
iDubbbz: Wow, you guys must be great judges of character if you were surprised by Keemstar going behind your backs. GradeA and Leafy, complete fucking retards. Actual retards.
- Then, he mocks Scarce by telling his audience to only subscribe to Scarce "when Scarce's content gets better".
iDubbbz: Scarce is overweight, but more importantly than that, Scarce is boring.
- iDubbbz points out that Grade A Under A, along with the titular Leafy, is a hypocrite for using Keemstar to boost his platform despite Keemstar's many controversies being public knowledge and only ending their friendship when the YouTube community turned on him. That being said, iDubbbz does give them both the benefit of the doubt although this does lead iDubbbz to another conclusion...
- Content Cop - Jake Paul
- He calls Jake Paul an "obnoxious, arrogant asshole" before mentioning that RiceGum is an obnoxious, arrogant asshole as well.
- Content Cop - TOY REVIEW CHANNELS (GIANT SURPRISE EGG)
- "The Villain Sucks" Song / The Diss Track: He's made two of these, "Hey Now, You're A Keemstar" on the titular Killer Keemstar and "Asian Jake Paul" on Ricegum.
- Memetic Badass: He's built up a reputation of being one to mainstream Youtube channels thanks to his Content Cop series. When you see a popular YouTuber that is particularly bad or controversial, Ian is frequently cited as someone to tear them a new one because his series is just that detailed and well-researched and utterly scathing, often crippling the viewerbase and reputation of his subjects.
- In addition, Ian always knows how the YouTubers he is doing a Content Cop on will react and notes it in his videos how they will respond before the YouTuber in question responds EXACTLY as he predicted they would. Bonus points if he ends up doing a second The Reason You Suck video afterwards because the response to his Content Cop was just that poorly thought out.
- Moment of Awesome: Pretty much all the Content Cop content is this: Ian critiques YouTubers he feels are either being assholes/making the community bad/did something incredibly bad that they try to pretend didn't happen. Examples include:
- His slam towards Tana Mongeau after she said some rather rude and spiteful things to him and said he should lose his fans/break his legs all for saying the N-Word in an argumentative context along her own hypocrisy.
- Utterly ripping Keemstar apart for his attacks to other YouTubers for petty things, saying he doesn't use his platform to attack others but doing it and overall being a very cruel person to the YouTube community.
- As a matter of fact, when the video was uploaded, the biggest YouTubers (including Game Grumps, Jack Septic Eye, Pew Die Pie, and h3h3productions) were all together in a hotel and happily huddled around the laptop to watch the Keemstar Content Cop over and over again. Ethan of h3h3 compared the experience to watching Star Wars with friends for the first time.
- His video on Leafy and calling him out on bullying other YouTubers after the TOMMYNC2010 incident.
- The RiceGum video after he made some very hypocritical comments such as not recording people on his streams when he does and then asking for the same after smashing someone's phone at a YouTube party. It ends with a RiceGum-style diss track that includes a cameo from Pew Die Pie.
I feel like the people who wrote these entries endorsed Ian's views on these subjects, thus have made it the wiki's viewpoint. I just don't think there's really any way of troping these people without making it seem we have anything against them.
So what should we keep these on the stipulation that we're troping Ian's interpretation of these people, or cut WebVideo.Content Cop for attracting real life troping of his subjects?
Edited by PlasmaPoweropenBleached Underpants decayed?
I saw this on hololive
- Bleached Underpants: Not the actual talents themselves, but rather their illustrators, or "mamas" and "papas", some of whom were well-known for their NSFW content long before their associated members debuted, such as Pochi (Reine) and TAM-U (Shion), the former of which has a particularly prolific body of work.
I removed it on the ground that Bleached Underpants is about the creator toned down their works while the example is "He Also Did NSFW". Then I check the trope page itself to see if the entry also present there. But surprise... many on-page examples are just that "The creator also did porn". I read the trope description again, and while it does extend to the creators reuse their characters from NSFW works, I don't see how it could include "The creator did a completely unrelate NSFW work."
Here's a whole folder from the trope page.
- John Mitchell, aka DYWTABA_Brony, is not only known for being one of the storyboard artists and animators for DEATH BATTLE!. He's also the artist behind Anime One Night Stand Requests, a series of pornographic short comics planned to consist of over 300 pages of his characters shagging other characters once he is fully finished with it.
- Alvin Earthworm, the creator of Super Mario Bros. Z, is an avid furry artist as can be seen in his DeviantArt Account
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- Mikeinel, the creator of Draw with Me, also draws H-comics and has animated adult parodies of certain cartoonsnote Including a parody of the Mystic Spring Oasis scene from Zootopia where the characters are Little Bit Beastly instead of Funny Animals.. Even some of his DeviantArt works reflect this.
- The famous pornographic animator ZONE also created this
Game Grumps animation. You'd never be able to tell if not for the rather... suggestive way a mustard bottle squirts on the end card.
- Retired YouTube Pooper TimoteiLSD once made an animation in 2011 called "Nyan Ho", which involved a cat and a Pop-Tart (named Lulubelle Nyanette Cheshire and Barry Popper respectively) having sex in the back of the latter's Hummer truck. While the original video was taken down from his channel for obvious reasons (though reuploads do exist), he was proud enough of Lulubelle that he had her make cameo appearances in almost every YTP he made since.
Should such examples removed, or I miss something?
Edited by Kuruniopen Plot Hole example or not?
This example I added awhile back to Recap.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 6 E 26 To Where And Back Again Part 2 was removed.
- Plot Hole: Chrysalis's Evil Plan is revealed to be to replace and impersonate the most beloved beings in Equestria, including Celestia and Luna, to feed off the citizens love of them "for generations!" But it's unexplained how they could have kept up the act for more than a day as Celestia and Luna are required to raise the sun and moon each day and night, a power changelings lack. It was also night when they were captured but day immediately after their release.
It was cut citing "This sounds less like a Plot Hole and more like Didn't Think This Through on Chrysalis's part." It's not Didn't Think This Through which requires the lack of thought be shown or addressed in work which isn't the case.
I thought it was valid as there's seemingly no way the Evil Plan couldn't have collapsed on itself so quickly the heroes wouldn't need to rush to stop it or not trust others as it would soon be exposed to the masses. They don't even bring it up when explaining their urgency (like what would happen to the captives afterward) or when they're trying to talk the villains out of it.
Might be this more Fridge Logic as it's indirect to the main plot/conflict?
openBroken Base on The Last Of Us Part Two
VideoGame.The Last Of Us Part 2, Tropers.Super Weegee added
this Broken Aesop example:
- Broken Aesop: The game has the messages that violence isn't always the answer and revenge sometimes just becomes a cycle of violence and further revenge and can even destroy everyone you love, with an attempt to call players out on their treating death as nothing by making the death animations very brutal and giving every character a name. There are two problems with this, however:
- One: The game often gives you no choice but to kill and will continue to call you out on it, even if you avoid violence as much as the game will allow. Furthermore, although some wounded enemies will beg and plead for mercy, if you do decide to spare them then as soon as you turn your back and try to walk away, they'll get up and attack you anyway.
- Two: Much of your killing/violence is in self-defense against those who have actively done worse things than you (like the Wolves, who kill anyone who happens upon them, danger or not).
- Three: Abby, who successfully took revenge against Joel, never feels guilty for it, only regrets that it wasn't satisfying, and never takes responsibility for starting the Cycle of Revenge, and yet gets a more hopeful ending than Ellie, who ultimately let go of revenge and was rewarded with a Downer Ending for it.
The example was then removed later the same day by Tropers.Mega J, with the edit reason "...except Abby did feel guilty about it because she doesn't pass up the chance to save Lev and Yara after they save her life", referring to the third bullet point.
Super_Weegee then restored the first two bullets, stating "...Then why remove the entire entry instead of just that one?"
Mega J did indeed later only delete the third point on the BrokenBase.Videogames page.
Given that the original edit reason only addressed the third point, I don't know think this qualifies as an edit war, but I have an objection to the example as a whole.
The game doesn't really qualify as "Blamed for Being Railroaded", as the story is about Abby and Ellie making choices and living with consequences, not the player. More than most games, TLOU and its sequel are a closed story about the characters in question. There are very few narrative choices the player can actually make. The story is about walking in the shoes of flawed people making questionable choices, and the game suitably blames the characters for these actions, not the player.
Also, the narrative isn't just about Ellie killing people in self-defense. The story is very clear, in fact, that Ellie has numerous chances to stop her pursuit of Abby and simply live peacefully with her girlfriend and her baby, but Ellie refuses to stop.
Given that the TLOU 2 is a game that tends to get a lot of negative criticism from a sizeable hatedom (in particular, spewing vitriolic hate towards Abby and thus defending Ellie's desire to murder Abby), I'm asking about this just to be on the safe side.
Edited by NubianSatyressopenWhat if alternate Reed Richards was awesome?
The animated series What If…? (2021) had a list of examples of Alternate Universe Reed Richards Is Awesome.
- Alternate Universe Reed Richards Is Awesome: Part of the premise of What If...? focuses on alternate versions of MCU characters, some of whom are far more powerful or stronger than their main timeline counterparts.
- Peggy Carter became a British super-soldier that took down HYDRA during World War II and saved Bucky Barnes from falling and losing his arm. She also stopped a giant Kraken from destroying the Earth and would reemerge in the present day to join the Avengers Initiative.
- Exaggerated with T'Challa as Star-Lord. Not only did he outshine his Sacred Timeline self and Peter as Star-Lord in every way possible, but he has also saved countless planets, including Drax's which means his family is still alive, and has become a well known and respected Robin Hood type hero throughout the galaxy by 2008. He even convinced Thanos to do a Heel–Face Turn.
- In the same episode with T'Challa, due to Thanos turning good the Collector takes his place as the Big Bad of the MCU and is implied to have killed, Captain America, Thor and Hela. Downplayed however as he was defeated far more easily than Thanos was in the Sacred Timeline by T'Challa.
- A rare example where a character became more awesome by going through a Face–Heel Turn with Hank Pym, who, out of vengeance for the death of Hope during a SHIELD mission, kills all the founding members of the Avengers but Captain America.
- In What If… Doctor Strange Lost His Heart Instead of His Hands?, Strange Supreme is incredibly powerful after centuries of absorbing the power of creatures from other dimensions (to the point he can actually perceive Uatu as he watches events unfold and defeat his good variant created by the Ancient One) all he accomplishes in his quest to bring back his girlfriend Christine is the complete destruction of his universe. Essentially he's what Strange would have become if he allowed his arrogance and fear of failure rule his actions.
I removed all of them, and said "All the examples are misuse. Alternate Universe Reed Richards Is Awesome is Reed Richards Is Useless being averted in an alternate universe, not about an alternate character being more "awesome" than the original". It was restored later saying "Laconically, Alternate Reed Richards Is Awesome is about an Alternate Self making changes to their world that their original version cannot. Examples for this trope on its own page also include the likes of alternate selves doing much bigger things than their original counterparts, whether good or bad. So I don't believe this trope is misuse." None of the examples explain changes about the world's setting, only changes in the dynamic of the characters, and the trope's expanded definition should take priority over the laconic entry.
By the way, as I checked the article history I noticed a mistake from my part: I removed examples of Not As You Know Them also as misuse, and now I removed examples of Same Character, But Different, misuse as well, but I did not notice that those were the same examples repurposed to another trope. Meaning, I accidentally made an edit war. I apologize if this was wrong, and please comment on this other as well.
Edited by GrigorII

It appears I have let my hatred for sexual predators seep into my edit reasons
beyond a point that is considered socially acceptable. Admittedly, I am not handling the notion of a prolific nonce being allowed any freedom whatsoever very well at all.
I just want to explain that I acted rashly due to my anti-predator bias, compounded by the fact that Ian Watkins—a man who considers molesting children "mega lolz"—could go free in seven years.
I am considering going on hiatus so that I can clear my head.
I understand if the mods feel a suspension is necessary. Hopefully, if such is the case, I can appeal a while after the suspension, when I have a clear head.
Edited by SkyCat32