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resolved Very belated notice of an edit war
July 2024 update: They're back at it again.
Was doing cleanup, found an analysis page for Unproblematic Prostitution and an out-of-place headline reading "We now break from our usual entertaining content to provide a one-sided editorial as to why sex work is inherently bad. Because, clearly, this is the one right and true analysis of the sex trade.", which was edited the previous January by Iamcuriousblue. According to page history, this wasn't the first time it was added — they first did so in December 2022
, and after it was removed for vandalism
, they added it back in without any edit reason. They also have an edit history of trashing the page on the main
Unproblematic Prostitution page itself, as well as editing out this one passage of the main description
for "out-of-place propaganda for the Nordic Model approach to prostitution" when it was literally just saying an objective fact on some countries passing laws.
This user isn't very active, only between 2021 to 2023, with their editing-back-in-of-vandalism being their last act. I couldn't find any verification if they were at all suspended or punished for their behavior, but I do notice in their edit history they have a suspicious single-issue focus regarding the portrayal of women in sexual or otherwise fanservice-y scenarios, so treating the topic with that level of unprofessionalism is a smidge concerning.
Edited by number9roboticopen Consistent problematic behavior from user Ordeaux26
So, the user Ordeaux 26 has consistently had a problem with mini-modding around the site. He has regularly tried to dictate how others behave and claim that feelings on certain topics aren't valid or "following site rules." He most recently
responded to folks disagreeing with him on a topic by falsely claiming that site rules were being broken and attributing feelings of disagreement by other users to "culture problems."
Here is a case of him bluntly trying to shut down discussion on a topic
, only later trying to cover himself by misrepresenting site rules
.
He has also regularly said needlessly aggressive or offensive things that he then edited out of his comments after being called out so as to avoid proof of his rude behavior.
This is far from the first time Ordeaux has done things like this, tried to mini-mod the feelings of others, and has turned what would be simple debates over a topic into a heated, pages-long argument about site policy while being, frankly, needlessly rude, combative and aggressive. It has gone on for a long, long time and I, for one, am really frustrated with this. I truly don't know what else I could do but bring it to others' attention.
Edited by Ravok
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openConcerning edit on The White Lotus
I stumbled across this on YMMV.The White Lotus Season Three:
- Diagnosed by the Audience: Some viewers have claimed that Frank's desire to be a submissive Asian woman is rather reminiscent of autogynephilia, a sexual fetish where a male is aroused by the thought of himself with female anatomy.
To my knowledge, "autogynephilia" is a transphobic dogwhistle which basically means "trans women are just perverted men with a fetish for becoming a woman." I don't think the term is used by anyone who isn't a TERF.
Putting that aside, I don't think this is a valid example anyway, as Diagnosed By The Audience is about mental illnesses and disorders, not fetishes. Maybe Trans Audience Interpretation could work for this example, but I'm not really familiar with the show so I'm not sure. I've just heard a little bit about the scene in question through other sites.
Edited by ZuxtronopenCybirddude
So, I've been mulling over whether or not I should make this report for... well, honestly a long time now. Because the thing is, most of Cybirddude's contributions to the TLP are fine. Most of their drafts launch without issue and at times they are very dedicated to keeping misuse away and fixing problems. Other times, though... Well, I decided to finally bite the bullet and say something because there has been a pattern, for years, of reported issues just... kinda going ignored, unless they're really pushed to listen? Here's a list I compiled, out of order because of the annoying TLP history "sorting" (for reference, the list
features active drafts from May at the top, then Jan, then August... it's a confusing mess).
And they have so many drafts, obviously I couldn't go back and check literally every single one. But of the ones I did check, I found:
- Preemptive Threat Elimination
— Never responding to whether or not heroes are allowed, but adding examples of them despite the villain-focused description
- Does Not Like Dogs
— No acknowledgement on the definition issues, despite multiple attempts to discuss them
- Magically Inflicted Disability
— No response to Malady's concerns and ignoring the formatting error they made in posting my examples. Also the first case I really noticed the lack of full crosswicking when the page was launched.
- Flashy Fraud vs. Subtle Substance
— Didn't respond to concerns right away despite definitely reading the posts the concerns were posted on. Even after removing some of the iffy examples, they still added one that had the exact same misuse issue.
- Belated Child Discipline
— Launched with the current name, ignoring my post of concern (which is also the last one on the entire draft).
- Share the Sickness
— Launched while ignoring an entire post suggesting writing tweaks, many of which were just fixing grammar mistakes.
- Love Interest vs Lust Interest
— The subject of a huge back and forth, because they added a bunch of misused examples and didn't fix the problem until multiple attempts later, even after telling them directly what the issue was. The draft had to be sent back to TLP as a result.
And the issue of them not fully crosswicking stuff remains. Ignoring their most recent launch (Flashy Fraud vs. Subtle Substance) which is still new enough to keep working on, we can examine Boast Backfire, the one before that, which has several examples that had launched with it yet haven't been crosswicked. I've been unsure if I should say anything on this point for a long while because they're bringing their drafts up to healthy levels and sponsors not doing full crosswicking is an issue that many are guilty of, not just cybird.
Once again I want to reiterate that a majority of their TLP contributions are positive, most of their drafts have launched without any real issues, and there are cases (like this current draft
) where they take misuse issues very seriously. But in too many cases over the past two years, getting them to even just acknowledge certain concerns has been very difficult. I don't want to seem like I'm jumping the gun to accuse them of being a bad sponsor, but I want to make sure these problems are addressed because it's been going on for a very long time with the same pattern continuing to present itself.
resolved Troper with character wonks Anime
cotton-cloud22 appears to have this wonk regarding Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba of defending Zenitsu and bashing Obanai.
- Added a Draco in Leather Pants entry
for Obanai that, while not in itself wrong, used all caps to call him “WORSE” than Zenitsu AND a Misaimed Fandom entry complaining about the fandom not realizing Obanai is worse than Zenitsu. I have since moved the entry to Ron the Death Eater to focus more on Zenitsu’s demonization in the fandom and removed mentions of Obanai.
- This Unintentionally Unsympathetic entry on Obanai
isn’t too bad in isolation, but worth mentioning for their wonk against him and how it seems to take his gags too seriously.
- Speaking of taking gags too seriously, after I removed a Karmic Overkill entry for Yoshiteru (Zenitsu’s descendant) that bashed how Obanai’s reincarnation treated him since I felt it was misuse as a gag moment, they re-added it
.
- Complainy ship-to-ship combat entries
(I’ve since reworded them to sound more neutral).
- All their edits on the Fandom-Enraging misconception
subpage feel less like straightforward examples and more of rants against people who dislike Zenitsu. Also includes another all caps claiming Obanai is “WORSE” regarding jealousy which just feels like a shoehorn. (On a side note I think the Fandom-Enraging Misconception subpage for Demon Slayer as a whole needs a clean-up, it’s pretty messy).
openSingle troper's vandalism of animated series all from same creator Western Animation
A troper by the name of Bento Boxer Justin Roiland has had a history of vandalizing work pages involving cartoons created by Brazilian animator Pedro Eboli, often adding false information. This includes:
- Claiming his works from Birdo Studio (Oswaldo, Cupcake & Dino: General Services, and Ba Da Bean) were co-produced by Bento Box Entertainment on December 16, 2024
(edit removed January 13, 2025
).
- They added this information to Bento Box's page too on April 19, 2025
. (removed April 24, 2025
)
- They also said Ollie's Pack was animated by Atomic Cartoons, Toon City, and Snipple Animation on April 19, 2025
(removed April 24, 2025
).
- They added this information to Bento Box's page too on April 19, 2025
- Creating a Character Sheet for Cupcake & Dino: General Services full of outright false information on December 17 2024. (page was cut by yours truly)
- Creating a Crosses the Line Twice page for Ollie's Pack once again full of false information and using a page image not actually from the show on February 1, 2025 (has been added to the Cutlist by me again).
- Adding a frankly bizarre and nonsensical, as well as unnecessary, image and caption to the Ollie's Pack Character Sheet photoshopping the characters' heads onto the cast of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia on April 18, 2025
(removed May 8, 2025
).
- Also adding links to that image and new ones to the Image Links for Crosses the Line Twice on May 6, 2025
that appear to go to their Deviantart. (images cut May 8, 2025
).
- Also adding links to that image and new ones to the Image Links for Crosses the Line Twice on May 6, 2025
There are probably other examples, but I think we all get the point (I get the sense they are a ban evader as another troper named Morty 336 Steve 909 made similar vandalizing edits regarding the same shows). And while they do seem to have made a few positive contributions, this frequent vandalism and spreading of misinformation targeting a few specific shows (that all share the same creator, so I have my suspicions here) is very frustrating, especially for people who work on pages for obscure works, like myself. While I am personally of the belief that this user should be banned, I would like to know what other people's opinions on this matter is.
Edited by MagnusForceresolved Discussion pages spam complaining about Sinfest images
burglesnur has made a total of 57 comments
today alone on the discussion pages of tropes/one index with a Sinfest panel as the image, with the post each time being:
Issues with Sinfest itself aside, surely this violates Rule 1, right? If it was just a single post it would be one thing, but this is...well, a lot more than that. I don't know if it could be considered a Single-Issue Wonk since they've made unrelated discussion posts and their edits seem to be fine, but at any rate it's not okay.
Edited by Coachpillresolved Mass violation of Administrivia policy on Peter and Company. Webcomic
The author of Peter And Company, who goes by the username PeterAndCompany, I'm pretty sure just violated The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours and Auto-Erotic Troping.
I quote the following from the former:
- You may contest factual information and either make the changes or ask others to change it for you, as long as you are polite and respect consensus.
- You may inform us that your work has been removed and made permanently inaccessible to the public, in which case we may consider deleting our article(s). This requires agreement from the troper body.
- You may request removal of content that you believe is hostile or defamatory towards yourself or your work, but we hold final discretion as to what falls into those categories.
Nowhere have I seen the author do this at all; as far as I can tell, they also did not go to any of the cleanup pages. They instead gave a lengthy edit reason
stating that they are the author in an attempt to justify their vandalism of the page, which as Edit War states, is not sufficient discussion; Essentially he is trying to claim ownership of the page.
He has also gone on the trivia page and the YMMV page to do the exact same thing, moreso with the latter especially on parts that have to do with the main webcomic itself, and has also engaged in Auto-Erotic Troping on this paticular edit
and possibly the Main page. Admin has not indicated to me that he had the permission needed to take down what I wrote or the right to make the edits he made (the latter of which had nothing to do with removing misinformation on the Trivia page) either, so I'm on high alert with this.
He has also done the following which is something authors are not supposed to do, especially in regard to YMMV. I quote the following:
- You may not remove content from our articles on the basis that you disagree with it or do not like it.
I am open to input from the community and admin on this matter as to what can, should, or if anything can be done.
Edited by Stardust5099openCharacter Page Vandalism Western Animation
axwi07 made deletions to Voltron: Legendary Defender - Team Voltron, likely motivated by shipping. Notably removing any entries referring to Shiro and Keith's relationship as platonic or to the fact that Shiro ended up with someone else (I have my own various thoughts about those two relationships but regardless, what's official is what's official; canon doesn't care about quality or subtext and trope pages are not the place to share your personal criticisms). The most generous one I can give them is the decision to leave off Heterosexual Life-Partners given that Shiro is not heterosexual, but the trope itself points out that it doesn't care about such things.
I could easily revert it myself but I think a proper warning is worth having given the fact that we've had other shipping-based vandalism for this work in the recent past. Let them report to their fellow shipper brethren that this kind of behavior is not to be tolerated.
Edited by AlleyOopopen Chico The Parakeet
DISCLAIMER: I do not have a vendetta/grudge against this user. I am simply concerned for him and the Hollers weren't enough for him to change his behavior even by a little bit, so I decided to make this ATT Report.
First off, they were the user I was talking about in this query
as I merely wanted to Holler him for his concerning behavior, mainly about his wonk about a South Park scene and showing it to other people even if it's determental.
He then brought it up again a couple of days later here
. Another user impiled that his obession might not be healthy. Prior to that post, I already sent him two Hollers. Assuming the mods read them and sent him a message about it in his PMs, he hasn't listened.
In general, as someone else puts its, he seems too erratic and cynical for his own good. For example, he has some sort of wonk towards Online Reviewers, particuraly those of the Caustic Critic kind, and holds their opinion as gospel even if he disagrees with them at the cost of his well being. I also recall that he stated he wanted to hurt himself over the opinions of these critics and asked why people wanted him to stop worrying about their opinions after that.
Here are
some of
his posts that show that.
Next, one about his paranoia over a work that seems to be excessive
and one that mentions a past trauma that he seems troubled by
(TW for animal cruelty/death for that one). They also seem quite self-conscious about their writting and fear that he'll get hated over it, as seen in the first of these Writer's Block posts.
Overall, a quite worrying troper and I made this ATT report to get other users' and mods' attention since the Hollers apparently weren't enough for him.
Edited by Cutegirl920fireopen TinyLittleLetters Western Animation
Tiny Little Letters makes a lot of edits on Tangled: The Series pages. I deleted shoehorns here
, here
, here
, here
, and here
— darn, I cut a lot; have I grown trigger-happy? I wrote an edit reason for each deletion though. But what I want to talk about is that I suspect this troper does Draco in Leather Pants.
- Here
, meet Rapunzel the Death Eater who makes the poor Varian suffer.
- Laser-Guided Karma: Done en masse. Toward the end of Season 1, the people of Corona turned their backs on Varian and denied him when he begged them for help. Now, he's allied himself with the Saporians and has taken over the kingdom, with Corona's citizens being forced to mine crystals for Varian's chemicals so the Saporians can use them to their advantage.
A few days ago, the same troper added this on YMMV.Tangled The Series:
- Catharsis Factor:
- After seeing them display disturbing Lack of Empathy towards his problems in the second half of Season 1, with King Frederic hunting down Varian for the Demanitus Scroll and chasing him out of his own home, and Rapunzel never checking on Varian after Zhan Tiri's blizzard was over (thus abandoning him for months on end), as well as expressing little-to-no concern for his well-being even when seeing Quirin encased in amber, Varian gloating in their faces over abducting Queen Arianna is quite satisfying, especially when he taunts Frederic to his face and puts Rapunzel through physical pain while using her hair as a drill. This also goes true for Varian, in his giant automaton, grabbing Arianna away from them, after they'd shared a warm and long hug right in front of him as he breaks down over failing to free his father.
So, what to do about this? Maybe I should talk to this troper but I don't know how. "Even if you're grief-stricken, it's not nice to enslave and kill innocent people?"
openEdit War
Okay, so continuing from this thread
: Suave Augustine and Yoyospinner 17 are edit warring in Friends: Main Characters. The main point of contention is the Deadpan Snarker trope, with both of them repeatedly undoing each other's edits across multiple folders. This despite the fact that multiple notifiers have been sent and at least three tropers (War Jay 77, annette12 and myself) have made the argument that none of the characters in question fit the trope. They are also unhiding Zero-Context Examples without expanding on them.
openHostile edit reasons from troper. Videogame
On 1/01 Mr Heroes added the following meme to the Fate/Grand Order meme page:
- Muramasa is ShirouExplanation While he takes Shirou's form, Muramasa isn't Shirou. A running gag is having Muramasa mistaken/called Shirou, which is popular with fan artists.
On 1/04, Rebel Falcon removed it with an unusually hostile edit reason spread across a few minutes:
- "For the last time, Muramasa is Shiro. Muramasa is a Pseudo-Servant using Shiro as his host, and his bio quite literally says that Shiro's personality is the dominant one. He doesn't simply look like Shiro, he is Shiro."
- Saying Muramasa isn't Shiro is like saying Ishtar isn't Rin, or Jaguar Warrior isn't Taiga, or Ganesha isn't Jinako. It's literally their bodies and personalities, its just some have themselves in the drivers seat, some have the spirit, and some fuse together. Bottom line though, Muramasa is fucking Shiro Emiya.
Now in the first instance, this was done because it appears Rebel may have submitted their edit early, cutting off the message as the first of three edits has this edit reason: For the last time, ''Muramasa is Shiro".
However, the third entry was made after the second, more detailed one, and was close to ten minutes later. The meme itself is probably fine being removed but the edit reason is very hostile and leaves me concerned since this is something I've noticed seems to be a recent trend of there's.
For example, on the RWBY page, they readded an entry on 1/03 that was removed with the following edit reason: "Don't remove shit without giving a reason."
I've not had much interaction with Rebel except for once but I wanted to mention it since this hostility is concerning. Not to suspend them concern, more so just a "Hey, everything okay?" kind of concern.
Edited by keyblade333openNo Title
On Trivia.Masters Of The Universe Revelation, the following was added by Richardkriener0
:
and was then removed by Zornech
who left the following edit reason:
Likewise this was added by Wolf of Blades
:
and was removed by Krimson Condor King
with the following edit reason:
Both examples were added back by Corvus IX
who did not give any edit reason.
open Valid removal?
Steve From Canada removed an example
from TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.Real Life, with the edit reason "Removed Tommy Lee's entry because he invocked the "Fine Prople Hoax" while berating Donald Trump. If you want to give to someone reasons why he sucks, stick to non-fiction ones."
This seems like an invalid deletion to me; the trope still applies, this was still a TRYSS directed at Trump, even if the speech itself had inaccuracies. I think it should be re-added, but want to discuss it first.
Edit: Hold on, this is worse than I realized. Every edit this person has made has been to this page, and all they've ever done is delete Trump-related examples from it.
Edited by WarJay77openSelf-promotion spam?
iandroidchris's (note "chris" in the name) only activity on the site are
- Made Creator.ChristopherKenyattaSese-KhalidJr about themselves
- Made Platform.Iandroidchris, which isn't what the namespace is for
- Literature.The 5 Wealthy Research Topicsand Changesforthe Future, cut for being an untropable stub
- Literature.Wealthy Changesforthe Future, cut for being an untropable stub
- making a massive title request
- Now edit-warring too
I feel he's only here to sell his $35 business books on Amazon
with some incomprehensible content, because a quick look shows Chrisopher has made a page about himself on pretty much every website possible.
resolved DisillusionedCheetah100 spiraling Western Animation
Hi. I hope this is not the wrong place to report this but Disillusioned Cheetah 100 has been lashing out at people who tried to help him in his obscure Dr. Rabbit and Toon definition threads. He says he doesn't like people "correcting" or "helping" him and says they just want him to think and behave like them, while also saying people use "moronic excuses" and lie about wanting to help him.
He's doing the same spamming that resulted in his previous suspension wrapped up in a persecution complex and saying he wishes he could delete his threads (then when people say he just needs to holler a mod he doubles down on insulting himself and saying people hate him or are annoyed by him.) I am honestly worried about this guy's mental health based on his forum behavior.
open Re-adding missuse with an incredibly rude Edit Reason and a potentially biased troper
So on YMMV.She Hulk Attorney At Law there was this entry
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: The scene where Jennifer calls out Bruce about controlling her anger did not endear her to some. Fans are well aware of Bruce's troubled and traumatic past note undergoing a botched super soldier experiment that resulted in the deaths of some of his coworkers, being hunted by the US government for years, having to give up his relationships with Betty Ross and Black Widow due to his deep-seated fears of accidentally harming them, coming to terms with Black Widow's death, and attempting suicide at one point, while Jennifer is not, due to how (in her own words) Bruce has isolated himself from her and she's only heard the barest details until recently. Yet even if she is ignorant of the depth of his issues, and/or people understand where Jennifer is coming from, Bruce is the wrong person to be calling out over such (relatively) petty issues as catcalling and mansplaining.
It was decided by the Unintentionally Unsympathetic cleanup
. That is was a bad faith argument that misinterpreted the scene as she wasn't actually comparing tramas with Bruce like it said and bias attempting to Jen as petty when she wasn't. So I removed
it. Well General Horseradish re-added
with this incredibly rude Edit Reason, "what the hell do you mean "bad faith argument", it's literally how the scene plays out lmao" I also feel that they might be bias. As they also removed
a Nightmare Fuel entry that mentions the speech in a positive light. However, I could be very wrong there.
Now I don't care one way or another about the entry, but would like some opinions.
Edited by BullmanopenSpider-Man stuff
Revolutionary_Jack has been adding a lot of entries to Spider-Man YMMV pages that don't have a general fandom consensus to be on the YMMV page, such as Steve Ditko's Gwen Stacy being a Love to Hate character and modern readers preferring her to any other version of Gwen. Entries that are legit are very long-winded and nattery, and they also deleted a Spider-Man 3 Vindicated by History example due to the film "not being a classic" even though its reputation has improved post-ASM 2 and the Editor's Cut salvaging a lot of the movie. The following examples are just from the Spider-Man 3 YMMV page but similar examples can be found on other Spider-Man pages, including main, subpage, and trivia pages.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Revolutionary_Jack
"* Misaimed Fandom:
- The symbiote influenced Peter is supposed to be Peter Slowly Sliding Into Evil and the narm and lameness of "Emo Peter" is definitely an Intended Audience Reaction. But given that many audiences had grown fatigued over Raimi's portrayal of Peter as a serious Extreme Doormat Hurting Hero in the previous films (even if Maguire himself was praised for his performance and screen presence), the fact that the one time we see Peter acting somewhat closer to his more rounded comics' portrayal such as him talking back to his landlord and giving Harry Osborn a piece of his mind, it's shown as a case of a Symbiote turning him evil, makes many fans express frustration about Raimi's misreading of the character as a suffering superhero monk.
- Many fans especially feel this way about Peter negotiating a higher salary from Jameson. In the comics this happened at the end of the Master Planner arc (considered among the all-time greatest stories in Spider-Man mythos), and it was portrayed as a Hell Yes moment. The movie makes it seem like this is his Start of Darkness even if what Peter is doing, calling out Eddie Brock for his unethical work and fighting against Jameson's exploitation, is entirely legitimate."
"* They Changed It, Now It Sucks!:
- A big sticking point for some fans, even if the character on the whole was praised, was the Retcon that made Sandman into Uncle Ben's killer. It's not the first time a superhero film did this (Tim Burton's Batman did the same to Joker, and it was criticized even then by many reviewersnote It was an element that DC Comics, normally receptive to introducing elements from adaptations, absolutely refused to incorporate into the character since it drastically undermined the appeal of the Batman-Joker rivalry) but many audiences felt it drastically undercut and ruined Peter's origin from Spider-Man 1 (since if the burglar Peter specifically didn't let escape kill Uncle Ben, and it was his getaway partner who did it in panic, then that means that Peter isn't actually responsible for his Uncle's death and his entire guilt was misplaced, which ruins the crucial theme from his story). Many also saw it as an inability for Raimi and Sony to create a nemesis who wasn't a free agent unconnected to Peter's story and life simply so that they could rehash simple beats. A tendency at Sony Pictures which continued in The Amazing Spider-Man Series and which the hacked Sony emails had one of Marvel's own executives call them out on.
- As a number of fans note, the Symbiote was never Spider-Man's Superpowered Evil Side nor did it turn him into evil, and definitely ''not'' emo. The original Symbiote was a sentient suit that liked Spider-Man and became a case of a Stalker with a Crush. It ended up taking Peter out as Spider-Man while in his sleep, and Peter worried about gaps and lack of control parted ways with it, which made the Symbiote a crazy jealous ex, who saw new host Eddie Brock as "sloppy seconds". The change in dynamics to a more simplistic Jekyll and Hyde story annoyed many for cheapening a great concept, as well as creating frustrating drama since Peter acts like a jerk to his loved ones but since it's not really his fault, all his actions can be blamed on Gollum Made Me Do It (which as many note was a beat that applied to the villain of Spider-Man 1 and something which Peter didn't entirely accept there)."

As pointed out just earlier today
, there was a random entry
on VestigialEmpire/RealLife added a month ago by the troper WM-R that was just an extensive rant against Nijisanji, discussing all the backstage/corporate drama about the company and the handling of its talents. Because this was such blatant misuse I went to check and see if the original writer has demonstrated similar behavior in other pages, and it appears this does seem to be a pattern, especially within the last month:
I know we have a dedicated vtuber cleanup thread, but this user in particular has added such bad juju regarding vtuber drama across the wiki; can something be done about this?
Edited by number9robotic