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openMisused: Villain Has a Point Example Videogame
So, the idea behind the "X has a point" tropes is when a character with negative connotations is mentioned to have a point In-Universe. So in this entry in the Visual Novel folder, we have:
- Fate/stay night: An All There in the Manual example. Gilgamesh plans to use the corrupted Grail to unleash all of humanity's sins upon the world, which will kill off ninety percent of the population, and then rule over what remains. The heroes never discuss this plan; he obviously needs to be stopped, there is no need to talk about it. But due to the way magic works, there's nothing inherently wrong with his plan. The people of Uruk were practically a Precursor race, part of the reason for humanity's decline is because magic has been spread out among too many people, and as humanity's first king Gilgamesh does have the divine right to make this sort of decision. But it never gets brought up in text because obviously he can't be allowed to kill billions of people.
Given that in the visual novel itself this never gets brought up as a good point and all characters react with disgust towards this idea, is this really a case of Villain Has a Point? From what i've observed this seems to be more of an out of universe interpretation from the user. (Specially since, again, all characters dismiss his Divine Right of Kings as a cheap excuse towards his actions)
openCreator/ChadwickBoseman
Someone included a part on the Determinator entry on Chadwick Boseman that was about himself and not his works, so I removed it. A different troper added it back, so I'm requesting someone else remove it so I don't get caught up in an edit war.
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast
The Quiet One (he/him)
open Odd edits on YMMV Redirects
Harpuia removed all redirects to Growing the Beard from YMMV Redirects, and also added Growing the Beard itself, even though Growing the Beard isn't a redirect (it's indexed on YMMV.Home Page). None of these edits gave an edit reason.
Edited by GastonRabbitopenHow do we handle actor pseudonyms? Videogame
On Characters.Command And Conquer Tiberian Sun, one of the character's actors (CABAL, in the Nod folder) is listed as their pseudonym, but in parenthesis, it mentions that they were credited by their real name in the manual (not sure what they're credited as in-game, never played it).
How do we handle situations like this? Do we use their real name (if known) or their credited pseudonym? The actor in question — Milton James
— had multiple pseudonyms that he used for different roles. Do we use each one as credited, or just stick with his real name for every role?
What about cases like the original Metal Gear Solid, where nearly everyone used a pseudonym but used their real names in sequels? Which names do we use there? Does popularity mean anything? David Hayter is pretty much universally known as the voice of Solid Snake (he even played himself in MGS4), but he was credited as "Sean Barker" in the original MGS1.
In some cases, actors use pseudonyms to accept non-union roles (This is actually why they used pseudonyms in MGS1). Does that affect anything?
openVillainous Underdog Question
I'd like to ask the tropers to weigh in on a debate, because the other party I've tried to debate with is being passive-aggressively hostile in P Ms. Twice, I've presented my case and they've dimissed it. Once as me "wanking" the character in question and secondly as "Dragon Ball-esque scale speculation", which it is not.
So the dispute is on Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night. In the story, a demon named Gremory is one of the major villains and is partially responsible for the events therein. Part of the objective is for the player to traverse a huge sinister castle full of demons to reach Gremory and her master, Gebel, to stop them from unleashing a demon horde on mankind.
Within the game, there's another character named Zangetsu, who is a demon-hunting samurai using a sword called the Zangetsuto. At several points in the story, Miriam and Zangetsu fight with and against each other. When Miriam fights with him, Zangetsu demonstrates that he is far more powerful than Miriam (he can defend against a boss's attacks and she can't, and he deals hundreds of HP in damage to the boss while Miriam is dealing single digits). When they fight against each other, Miriam states that Zangetsu is holding back against her and could have killed her in a blink if he wanted.
Now, we enter spoiler territory.
We're told at the end that Zangetsu's sword, Zangetsuto, is the only thing that can destroy Gremory. Miriam states that Zangetsu is so strong that he should have done it already. He replies that he's been TRYING but Gremory has actively been running from him the entire story and every time he thinks she's cornered, she vanishes again. He thus gives Miriam his sword to chase her instead and this works because Gremory doesn't see it coming. However, Zangetsu also knows that since Gremory knows he's without his sword, she'll target him while he's weak. He deliberately goes off on his own to lure Gremory into the open and possibly dies as a result.
Now, Sasquatch X is arguing that this is NOT a case of Villainous Underdog because: 1) it's Zangetsu with his sword Gremory was afraid of, not him or the sword alone and 2) Gremory is hiding behind an army of demons. The problem I have with both of these arguments is that it's irrelevant whether Gremory was only an "underdog" when Zangetsu was with his sword because his sword is literally the source of his identity—he named himself after it. And second, Gremory's ultimate plan (which I avoided here) hinged on Miriam being able to easily defeat said army of demons, and again...Zangetsu is flat out stated to be far more powerful than Miriam.
Sorry for the long explanation, but I wanted you to have all the facts. Like I said, talking to Sasquatch X is impossible because he's being incredibly dismissive in P Ms.
Edited by NubianSatyressopenNo Title
I had deleted some "meta" moments from Awesome.Pokemon Detective Pikachu under the impression they weren't allowed/were overly gushy, but they were reinstated with another troper citing their prevalence on MCU pages. I don't want to edit war, so what should be done about them?
- When the trailer was released, it completely overshadowed the teaser trailer for Toy Story 4, which was released a few hours earlier and had gotten plenty of attention in itself. It's also beaten the Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) trailer and that came out in July 21st, almost 4 months ago when the Detective Pikachu trailer was released. It also got over 1 million likes and is the only non-superhero Hollywood film to do so until the trailer for The Lion King 2019 came out. The other films to do over 1 million likes before the film's trailer are Avengers: Infinity War, Venom, and Captain Marvel. After the trailers got released, the only other movies that achieved 1 million likes was The Lion King, Spider-Man: Far From Home, both trailers for Avengers: Endgame and Joker. To say this movie got a lot of attention compared to most films of 2019 would be an understatement.
- Jordan Vogt-Roberts concluded that the film has similar amounts of charisma and quality
to Iron Man 1.
- While critical consensus doesn't mirror the idea of putting Detective Pikachu on par with the film that started the most successful movie franchise in history, this movie still gets to claim the title of first wide-release video game film adaptation to avert the video game movie curse. That's nothing to sneeze at.
- It made number two in its first week at the box office right behind Endgame. Granted many figured it wasn't going to knock Endgame off its throne, but coming that damn close. Yeah, nothing to sneeze at indeed and a testament to the staying power of this series.
- While worldwide it may have come in second to Endgame, in China it came in at number one.
- Props to the visual effects team and director in that Mr. Mime's inclusion is this. Rob Letterman revealed in an interview
they almost didn't get to have Mr. Mime in the film because of its creep-factor notoriety and Uncanny Valley design. He hired an actual mime to rehearse the scene with, and also had to pitch the interrogation scene in person to the president of The Pokémon Company and he gave them the go-ahead, and then they still had to come up with a realistic design. Many people he talked to still weren't sure it could be pulled off, then when they filmed the scene, he described it as "the most awkward, weird thing to shoot", and he considered cutting it since he didn't think it would work. Given the fan reception of the end product, it's a cinematic marvel that they succeeded.
- In order to sell that she was actually carrying Psyduck around, Kathryn Newton had to do the chase scenes with 40 lbs of weight strapped to her back.
- Pokémon Detective Pikachu has a 65% Fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes as of May 17, 2019, making it the first live-action film adaptation of a video game to hold a "Fresh" rating. And while critical reception has been lukewarm, most chalk it up to the film being so awash in Pokémon lore that it's difficult to non-fans to fully appreciate the story and humor. In that regard, fan reception for the movie has been very, very high. After all these years, Video Game Movies Suck is finally averted.
openA character listed under seemingly contradictory tropes... Live Action TV
So, going on a wiki-walk, I noticed something rather strange. The tropes Apologises a Lot and The Unapologetic would certainly seem to be contradictory tropes. The strange thing I noticed? Dean Winchester from Supernatural is listed under both.
I kinda get it? It's a long runner with a lot of character development; some arcs/seasons/episodes he's unrepentant about any of his antics (mostly earlier in the series), sometimes he's very repentant and says so (mostly later in the series). With 'Apologises a Lot', the editor lists 'self-blame' as the reason he's there — which to my mind isn't quite the same thing as being apologetic. The editor for 'The Unapologetic' lists lines like 'I'd do it again' and 'I made the right call', which are true lines, but the kind that, honestly, I feel come from a lot of characters on the show at various points. Often enough, eventually apologizing for... completely disregarding other characters viewpoints by being unapologetic?
I felt like I needed some more viewpoints here to get an idea of what if anything to do, if anything, and what process to follow. Since Discussion pages don't seem to get a lot of use and it affects more than one trope, I thought I'd bring it here. I'm not sure Dean belongs on either page. I might be more inclined to remove him from 'Apologises a Lot', if I were judging it.
Edited by PointMaidopenYMMV.Catherine UnfortunateImplications edit war Videogame
Hey, troper metaverse keeps deleting an Unfortunate Implications entry on the YMMV.Catherine page about some fans being unhappy with Unsettling Gender-Reveal jokes (the scene in question involves a transwoman appearing before coming out in an Alternate Timeline so they can make a joke about another character she is attracted to being unaware she is a transwoman or attracted to him, basically), despite 3 sources to said reactions being provided (per the guidelines), with a Strawman Fallacy edit reason that these are "misunderstandings" about a Transgender character no longer wanting to transition, rather than about the actual content of the entry. Entry:
- Unfortunate Implications: In one of the new endings for Full Body, Catherine goes back in time so she can place herself in Vincent's high school and the two end up dating. An unclear number of years later, at Vincent and Catherine's wedding, Erica is then seen pre-transition with Toby, who previously only became friends with the rest of the cast after Erica's transition, in order to make another joke about Erica's attraction to Toby. Outside potentially inadvertently removing Erica's identity and agency, this was mainly seen as Atlus doubling down on problematic Unsettling Gender-Reveal jokes in the story by a number of fans, especially in the trans community in both the West and Japan. It even got to the point where several people refused to buy the game or support Atlus in the future. The English voice actress for Erica, Erin Fitzgerald, explained shortly afterwards that the localization team would try to adjust the ending for the Western release. (Sources: Kotaku
, Daily Dot
, Dualshockers
)
I'm not really sure what to do at this point because the edit reasons for removing don't seem to have anything to do with the actual entry? Honestly, if the entry should go for the sake of Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment, I understand, but feel like their strawman Mis-blamed and Overshadowed by Controversy should go too then.
Edited by ashlayopenForum thread going off-topic
I'm worried that the Marvel Cinematic Universe forum thread is starting to be filled with posts that don't have anything to do with the MCU itself.
I had sent a holler for this post
, as it was talking about DC Comics stuff instead of Marvel.
openNightmare Fuel Vanity Plate recreated without permission
See here. The page was cut back in 2017.
While I do think the page should be restored, not only was this without approval, but it's also.......not the way to do it. The namespaces are weird (no spaces between words, making the name look awkward and also causing it to use the generic background rather than the Nightmare Fuel background), most of the links (both potholes and links to videos) are gone, the image has a much bigger box to the sides of it and the page itself isn't even finished, with a note asking to help recreate everything.
Edited by KingofNightmaresopenCaptain Marvel Film
Just a heads up, a troper has added a lot of entries for Hypocritical Fandom to Captain Marvel (2019). I'm not taking action myself, but I feel like a lot of the entries are distortions of the context for the film's criticisms (poor use of flashbacks, retcons to the timeline of the series) or bring up criticisms I haven't seen made about the movie (bad villains, use of 90s music, boycotting the military).
Given this film's "controversial" nature, and the controversial nature of the trope itself, would anyone else like to weigh in?
open Questionable deleted example
This was deleted from YMMV.Pokemon Sun And Moon:
- Common Knowledge: Many point to Lusamine being a bad and abusive mother, when the game itself heavily implies that Nihilego's neurotoxins heavily affected her mind, mostly causing her to become obssessed with Ultra Beasts, particularly Nihilego. Not helping the fact that her husband mysteriously vanished sometime prior. There's likewise no real evidence of her being abusive towards her children. At most, controlling of Lillie and dismissive of Gladion. In the post-game, Gladion himself states Lusamine's change was the result of Nihilego.
The edit reason was "Lusamine literally insults her children and treats them with scorn. Verbal abuse is still abuse. Stop placing all the blame on an innocent Pokémon acting on instinct to excuse this vile woman’s behavior. I have suffered from verbal abuse by my own mother and it has deeply affected me, and I see a lot of her behavior reflected in Lusamine."
My issue is what was supposed to be the "Common Knowledge", that she wasn't shown as directly abusive under Nihilego's neurotoxin (which is untrue), or that she was abusive even without said influence (also untrue as objectively portrayed otherwise, but has fans disagree covered by UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.Pokemon), or about the extent of her abuse being speculation/Fanon as opposed to clearly shown (the difference between Fanon/CK is an issue I've noticed)? That would determine the validity of the deletion.
resolved Edit War regarding unconfirmed info (Genshin spoilers)
Ebro 4920 added that the Abyss Order returned in Fontaine AQ as the Arc Villain here
, when it's just the All-Devouring Narwhal, which has no indication of being affiliated with it.
I removed it
but they readded it
, saying "the fact that it's on this page implies that it's also part of the order," ignoring that the entity is on the "Independent Entities" header and that the Ebro4920 was the one to add it in the first place (I did not realize this one until reading the history).
I did PM Ebro4920, to no response. And I apologize for trying to Edit War myself
(although I immediately undid it afterwards).
EDIT: Ebro4920 has since PMed me to remove the aforementioned Out of Focus entry entirely not only for the unaffiliated entity but also for the Abyss Order's role in Chapter III's Caribert (which is pretty recent), so it's all good.
Edited by ExaskliriopenPotential popcorning creator pages
Today, I stumbled upon Gerry Tesch and Marina Terkulova. These are the parents of Gloria Tesch, who is the author the terrible vanity-published Maradonia Saga. All three creator pages were made by Pony Boy and lack tropes or sections listing what they've worked on. Gloria is fine as a creator page as long as someone makes a section listing her works, but I'm not so convinced for her parents.
My problem is twofold. For one, in addition to the pages being very barebones and self-isolated, I don't know if they need creator pages. Gerry at least directed Maradonia and the Shadow Empire, which is also a terrible vanity project as you might imagine, and it non-specifically says he worked on German writing, so maybe there's something there. Marina absolutely does not need a creator page though, since the only thing she's done is make the illustrations for her daughter's books. For two, they just seem to exist to document controversies surrounding these infamous books. They're written neutrally, but there's this sort of undercurrent around these pages existing at all.
Can I cutlist those two pages, or is there enough to salvage something?
Edited by MurlocAggroBopennew troper with seeming fetish-motivated editing
All of Summerhouse's limited number of edits seem to revolve around nude scenes in some way (particularly the Spider-Man 3 scene where Spidey pulls the Venom suit off himself in the bell tower), and they also posted a negative-effort TLP draft called Symbolic nudity
. Got me scratchin' my head.
openSEED Freedom edit war (repeat offender)
driller is once again
edit warring under YMMV.Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Freedom.
- Esoteric Happy Ending: Foundation has been defeated and completely neutralized as a threat, hooray! Except multiple nukes were dropped across Eurasian territories, Requiem was allowed to cut multiple bloody swaths across multiple countries unimpeded, multiple riots were instigated, Many sympathizers jumped at the idea of Coordinator supremacy (although it's very likely they were already under Foundation's payroll), and hundreds of thousands are dead as a result, with the only other bright spot being that Blue Cosmos might have been finally eradicated alongside their leader Michael (which hems on if that was their last bastion or not), which could mean they're no longer able to continue their horrific attacks in the aftermath.
They added this, Lone Courier 0 removed citing "It's acknowledged to be a bittersweet ending and not a truly happy one, so it feels unnecessary to add." (Which I agree with and took to cleanup, but got no feedback on.) driller added it back under its new name without edit reason.
- Allegedly Optimistic Ending: The Accords have been defeated, Foundation's ambitions have been halted, and everyone is happy with their respective partners. Clearly everything ended perfectly... Except Thousands, if not millions, are dead as a result of multiple nukes being launched and Requiem sweeping through different countries, relationships between Coordinators and Naturals are still shown to be heavily skewed, and the novel reveals that Blue Cosmos STILL hasn't been eliminated and continues to make terrorist attacks. Arguably the events of the movie have left Cosmic Era is a far worse state than it has ever been in up to this point.
Omega Nemesis 13 defeated it citing "Stop trying to add this, just worried with a different trope. It can't be alleged if the story itself acknowledges these things."
driller still edit warring, along with their other suspect edits. Should something more be done?
openAdding memes that bash a rival game?
First, I don't know what to do for now regarding GRD's edits on YMMV.Wuthering Waves, as seen in this edit history
.
For context, there is indeed a Fandom Rivalry going on between fans of Wuthering Waves and Genshin Impact because the former is labeled as a "Genshin Clone" and had an unfortunate messy launch.
These are the Memetic Mutation entries GRD has added:
- "DEV'S LISTENED!" ExplanationBecause of the sheer amount of optimization issues and bugs, not to mention a plot and dialogue that most found to be...lame. A lot of WuWa players, specifically content creators, started making videos on how the developers of Wuthering Waves, Kuro Games, are "listening to player's feedback in order to fix the game." Detractors immediately ran with this, making memes and mocking them since it is not that far off from a coping mechanism.
- "Why would Genshin do this?"/"Psshhh....Hoyoverse spy here...." ExplanationA meme relating to WuWa's rivalry with Genshin Impact. But whenever something bad happens in Wuthering Waves, expect people to sarcastically type this to make fun of WuWa fans accusing miHoYo of sabotage.
- Genshin killer? No. Genshin symbiosis? Yes.ExplanationBecause of how unoptimised Wuthering Waves was, players from the CN region started to shitpost that the only way to properly optimize WuWa was to use Genshin's cache cleaner to run in the background to properly play the game. The whole idea of using your rival's far more optimized cache cleaner in order to run your game properly was so absurd - like some sort of bizarre software symbiosis - that both the Genshin and WuWa communities found it to be absolutely hilarious in all the wrong ways. It has to be seen to be believed.
- Stuttering Waves/Withering Waves/etc ExplanationAnother set of memes poking fun at Wuthering Waves....notorious framerate and performance optimization issues. Much derision and mockery was made at the game's expanse.
There's a dilemma here. On one hand, most of these memes have already spread enough that simple Google Searching will prove that they exist, but on the other hand, their current explanations only come off as bashing Wuthering Waves more in order to praise Genshin Impact. I think we can keep at least some of them but either trim down the bashing or rewrite them to be more neutral, especially because some memes (like "Genshin Symbiosis") are shared between the two fandoms despite the rivalry because they find it hilarious enough.
The other edit that GRD made in YMMV.Wuthering Waves is adding and crosswicking a Fandom Rivalry entry with Tower of Fantasy, which is mostly okay (because it's true that there's also a rivalry between the two games), but again, it also mentions Genshin at the end.
At first, I would've just wanted to fix the formatting or grammar, but the way GRD currently wrote them came off as very negative. I would've also either PM'd GRD or took the examples to the Memes cleanup thread
first, but looking at the ATT, several posts were already about GRD, such as making other questionable MemeticMutation additions
, Memes about Content Leaks
, or duplicating the Memes
of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance.
Second, memes that revolve around Fandom Rivalry aren't exclusive to a specific troper like GRD or games like Wuthering Waves and Genshin Impact. If you look at Memes.Honkai Star Rail, for example, the "Genshin could never" meme talks about a Fandom Rivalry between Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail because the latter received many QoL features that fans of the former have been wishing. However, the meme's explanation itself also says both fandoms have grown sick of the joke.
Looking at the edit history
, it was added by Atmos Blitzer and edited by Skye Ride 001.
I don't know if adding that is okay even if it doesn't sound like bashing the game, as the header or note in Memes.Honkai Star Rail says "Fandom drama on any social media platform, as it's considered drama importation." isn't allowed...
Also, just like what I said in the Wuthering Waves part above, the "Genshin Could Never" meme is indeed being used and a simple search on the Internet proves it.
Third, Memes.Genshin Impact already had several Memes about Fandom Rivalry too, which again, mention Honkai: Star Rail and Wuthering Waves.
- Your feedback will be used to improve Honkai: Star Rail instead ExplanationStar Rail seems to have corrected most of Genshin's shortcomings. The Trailblazer has meaningful alternate dialogue options, and possesses a meta-defining Harmony kit. Trailblaze Power (the Resin equivalent) has a higher cap (240), faster recharge (1 per 6 minutes) and an automatic overcap mechanic (Reserve Trailblaze Power) instead of being wasted if it hits the cap. The free Battle Pass grants an item that guarantees the main stat of a Relic (Artifact equivalents). There are three endgame modes: Forgotten Hall (standard Spiral Abyss equivalent), Simulated Universe (roguelike) and Pure Fiction (multi-target Spiral Abyss equivalent)— the last of which salvages multi-target characters who were left out in an anti-boss endgame meta. The reward for 300 standard banner pulls is a free standard banner 5★ unit of the player's choice. Celebratory rewards are also far more generous, including a free and powerful limited 5★ unit (Dr. Ratio) for all players in celebration of Star Rail winning multiple awards in 2023. While many of these can be attributed to Star Rail being a new game on a clean slate, players wonder why corresponding quality-of-life, endgame and reward improvements don't seem to be coming to Genshin.
- Genshin could never ExplanationA related meme that began spreading like wildfire after the announcement of a free Dr. Ratio during Star Rail's 1.6 special program. Many Star Rail and former Genshin players gloats at how Genshin could never do what Star Rail does better. However, it also depends on who should respond to as it can piss off Genshin players and some Star Rail players who is still playing Genshin of which they are many.
- Genshin could never... launch a game in this stateExplanationIn addition to the Star Rail fanbase, the Wuthering Waves fandom also frequently used that phrase to generate hype for their game as a "Genshin killer" that was superior combat, endgame and more generous developers. However, Wuthering Waves' release on the 23rd of May, 2024 was riddled with controversy. The game was clearly not ready for release due to its numerous glitches, bugs, performance issues and hilariously bad localisation. The "Genshin killer"'s flop caused many players to reflect back on Genshin's extremely smooth and almost bug-less launch back in 2020, with "Genshin could never" being repurposed to praise Genshin instead.
- Genshin is the stepchild of Mihoyo's games ExplanationStar Rail improving on the standard set by Genshin on top of generous free rewards such as the aforementioned free Dr. Ratio has caused some players to make this joke/comment about the differences in management of both games.
- Genshin finally could ExplanationThe Version 4.7 Developer's Discussion announced a surprise increase of the Original Resin cap to 200, which finally allows players to log in and consume Resin once a day without risking an overcap. Next, the Version 4.7 livestream formally revealed Imaginarium Theater, the first new permanent endgame activity since launch. Combined with the unoptimized launch of Wuthering Waves in the same time period, players cheered how Genshin was finally stepping up on gameplay improvements and showing its polish relative to competitors.
- Genshin could never ExplanationA related meme that began spreading like wildfire after the announcement of a free Dr. Ratio during Star Rail's 1.6 special program. Many Star Rail and former Genshin players gloats at how Genshin could never do what Star Rail does better. However, it also depends on who should respond to as it can piss off Genshin players and some Star Rail players who is still playing Genshin of which they are many.
- The World of Warcraft of gacha games / Genshin wins by doing absolutely nothingExplanationBeing by far the most prominent gacha game and considered the representative of the genre, frequent memes have popped up comparing Genshin's influence to that of WoW, deservedly so. Likewise, memes also emerged comparing "Genshin killers" to "WoW killers" due to the many open world action RPG gacha games that attempted to challenge Genshin, all predictably failing. The most famous being that of Tower of Fantasy and Wuthering Waves, both releasing with numerous bugs and unstable performance, the former having already fallen into obscurity as of 2024 and the latter being additionally criticised for its writing, localisation problems and monotonous dubbing.
- Genshin killer? No. Genshin symbiosis? Yes.ExplanationBecause of how unoptimised Wuthering Waves was, players from the CN region started to shitpost that the only way to properly optimise WuWa was to use Genshin's cache cleaner to run in the background to properly play the game. The whole idea of using your rival's far more optimised cache cleaner in order to run your game properly was so absurd - like some sort of bizarre software symbiosis - that both the Genshin and WuWa communities found it to be absolutely hilarious in all the wrong ways. It has to be seen to be believed.
- Genshin killer? No. Genshin symbiosis? Yes.ExplanationBecause of how unoptimised Wuthering Waves was, players from the CN region started to shitpost that the only way to properly optimise WuWa was to use Genshin's cache cleaner to run in the background to properly play the game. The whole idea of using your rival's far more optimised cache cleaner in order to run your game properly was so absurd - like some sort of bizarre software symbiosis - that both the Genshin and WuWa communities found it to be absolutely hilarious in all the wrong ways. It has to be seen to be believed.
Like the Star Rail memes page, Memes.Genshin Impact also has a note saying that it disallows Fandom Drama.
At this rate, I'm also inclined to know what the editors of the Memes.Genshin Impact and Memes.Honkai Star Rail pages count as "Fandom Drama". I mean, why bother putting a notice like that on a Memes subpage only to later add and crosswick Memes about Fandom Rivalry?
Edited by DanteVinresolved Resolving issue on Character page for Characters/ChainsawManDenji
On June 15th
, I added an entry for an averted case of Double Standard: Rape, Female on Male. On June 28th, Tropers/tetesuper0 removed it without providing an edit reason, upon which I restored it without triggering an edit war by reason of "Deleted without reason
". 5 Hours later, tetesuper0 removed it again, with the reason of "In charter 169 denji don't see the handjob as a Bad experience". I believe this counts as an Edit War on their part.
Even then, I don't really think that reason counts considering the context, namely that Denji has been known to try and embrace ignorance to avoid the sheer hell that is his life, and is a very mentally damaged young man who had just been in the midst of a mental breakdown, and has demonstrated self-loathing and even self-harm to avoid dwelling on the negative thoughts, so him thinking he enjoyed it falls in line with him rationalizing the experience so as to not completely shut down, supported by how, when they go to the sushi restaurant immediately after, he's largely on autopilot until he realizes Barem Bridge, the asshole who killed his pets, burned his apartment down, and possibly killed his adoptive sister, is sitting right next to him, with his immediate response being to try and stab him with a pair of chopsticks.
And even then, the incident itself was rape. Neither Denji nor Asa consented to Yoru taking control of Asa and using her body to give Denji a handjob.
Edited by RebelFalcon

I'm really not sure which box this goes in and I'm asking more for advice and guidance - but this relates to the Kayfabe page under Real Life, and I'm wondering if according to tvt rules this is a legitimate entry. It relates to an online model called Lily May, describes what she does, and stressing this is not her real-life persona, but a role she plays for professional purposes. The links when followed, plus image searches, take you to what really amount to soft-core porn pages and in this light, the entry reads like special pleading for why an entry about a porn actress should be included on tvtropes; it doesn't read as if anything here is extraordinary enough to be included on tv tropes over and above "this woman is a professional soft-core porn performer and this is not who she is when she is not doing porn" - which is something any woman in the porn industry could legitimately state about herself?
So, does this contravene the "no porn" rule? I suspect it does and it's worth raisng here for a ruling.
Edited by AgProv