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openIs this an Edit War
So on YMMV.Tomorrowverse brightfan99 added
this Fandom Rivalry entry.
- A minor example with the DC Animated Movie Universe, considering that most fans of the Tomorroverse are fans of DC's animated films in general, but some DCAMU fans have expressed disappointment that the franchise ended not long after Growing the Beard as they feel there were more stories to be told. In contrast fans of Tomorrowverse feel that the DCAMU only had a few genuinely good films, with the rest either being mediocre at best or boring at worst, while the new Shared Universe is a breath of fresh air that doesn't limit itself to one specific era of DC's history as well as having a reduced focus on Batman (who appeared in the first eight DCAMU films while five films in the Tomorrowverse has only used him for his two-parter).
I removed the "A minor example"
because it's not really a minor example in my experience and we aren't supposed to trope minor YMMV reactions from what I have been told.
brightfan99 without discussing it anywhere added "A small one"
. Which while not the exact same wording means the same thing.
I don't know what to do here.i ultimately do not care about the wording as ultimately I think I left it weirdly phrased by my original removal now that I think about it but this feels like it is now an Edit War considering the other troper added nearly the exact same wording without discussing it anywhere. But I want to get some more opinions.
Edited by Bullmanresolved Questionable Edit removal from Recap for Rick and Morty Western Animation
On December 18th, 2022, I added a "The Reason You Suck" Speech entry for the Rick and Morty episode "Ricktional Mortpoons Rickmas Mortcation".
- "The Reason You Suck" Speech: When Rick tries to leave after making the driller once Morty makes clear he doesn't want Rick coming with him to get the Lightsaber, Morty gets pissed at the idea Rick is acting like Morty betrayed him and not the other way around. Rick, thoroughly done with listening to Morty and wanting to just go back to hunting down Rick Prime, delivers a quick but succinct tear down of Morty, both for the events of the last episode, and his general treatment of Rick overall the last few seasons, with Morty treating him like shit despite Rick bothering to open up to him. Morty himself can only wince and look upset while he's listening up until Curtis reassures him he won't kill his family.
Rick: You wanna know why I replaced myself in the beginning of that stupid Knights of the Sun thing? I said don't take the fucking sword and you were like "whatever" like I'm our neighbor Gene or David Arquette or something. You called me boring. I've become dog shit to you. That's what happens when you let people in and they stop respecting you, they touch your shit, they screw things up, they kill your fucking family. Go ahead. Trust [Curtis]. You're going to learn the same fucking thing.
- 1. It's not presented as the way the edit reason states, namely since Rick had been keeping Morty out of his hunt for Rick Prime rather than forcing him to help, and Morty was acting like Rick was entirely at fault for not being honest. While an argument can be made for Unintentionally Unsympathetic, the fact of the matter is that it's not presented in the manner the edit reason suggests.
- 2. "The Reason You Suck" Speech is not a YMMV trope, meaning even if Mantyf does not see it as a speech but more a rant from an abuser, the trope itself is what matters. So if the entry is an actual case of "The Reason You Suck" Speech as presented in the show itself, removing it based on an interpretation feels like a mistake.
openDark Universe
So I am not totally sure if this has been asked before but this has kept bothering me so I feel like I should bring it up.
So we currently have a page for the Dark Universe and I am honestly wondering if it is really worth actually keeping around. Technically the universe was planned to be a thing but it got scrapped after only a single movie the page itself barely has any info and is mostly just covering stuff that might have happened or stuff that happens in The Mummy, the only film that got released. The Invisible Man (2020) isn't actually part of this universe.
The page itself has a very small amount of entries for the index, only covering The Mummy, 4 tie-ins to that film and mentioning some cancelled films, most of the important stuff being already covered on The Mummy franchise page. Like it is really weird to consider this a universe worth a page when there is basically only one installment. I will admit I have made a page like this before but it did at least have more than one installment.
openEdit war if I modify?
There are several entries I made that were modified in ways that I think have issues. Want to check if it's edit warring or not to modify as opposed to reverting entries, and to run them by here first.
- Overshadowed by Controversy: The heavy criticism regarding Penelope's poorly done Face–Heel Turn so blighted the game's reputation, despite its gameplay and most of the rest of the story being well-received, that once it was announced its cliffhanger wasn't going to see a resolution, fans were quick to disown the game.
Was changed to:
- Overshadowed by Controversy: The heavy criticism regarding Penelope's poorly done Face–Heel Turn Face–Heel Turn and the ending involving Sly being trapped in Egypt]] so blighted the game's reputation, despite its gameplay and most of the rest of the story being well-received, that once it was announced its cliffhanger wasn't going to see a resolution, fans were quick to disown the game. Overshadowed Cleanup said endings due not count and should go under Audience-Alienating Ending instead. Permission to move?
- My Little Pony: The Movie (2017) was meant to appeal to fans of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic as a Big Damn Movie of the series as well as general audiences given an early pitch was dropped due to complaints of Continuity Lock-Out, but received mediocre critical and financial reception do to this. It got disproportionately negative reception from critics and apathy from general audiences as still being too saccharine and lacking appeal if they weren't already a fan of one of the most successful/prolific cartoons of the decade. While faring better with fans it was divisive for ignoring much of the shows continuity and Character Development that kept them vested and the action still not a step up enough from the show to offset. The next movie My Little Pony: A New Generation instead focused on general audiences with a new cast and setting and de-actionized story, which got better reception from both audiences (much better general and mixed but less negative fan).
Was changed to:
- My Little Pony: The Movie (2017) was meant to appeal to fans of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic as a Big Damn Movie of the series as well as reel in general audiences who weren't already sold on it, but was mostly shunned by critics and general audiences as being either too saccharine or having too much Continuity Lock-Out. It fared better with fans of the show, but was still divisive for ignoring much of the show's continuity and Character Development from after Season 4, and the action wasn't a big enough step up to compensate. The series' next movie, My Little Pony: A New Generation, instead focused on general audiences with a new cast and setting and de-actionized story, which earned it a better reception on both sides. '''I like how it's more concise, but Continuity Lock-Out is misused as the problem wasn't fully understanding the plot requiring knowledge of prior work, but the opposite as making the story accessible to non-fans watered it down. Permission to change?
- Paul was not a sympathetic character per se, but others defended him, even praising his strength as a trainer, per the Aesop you need to respect those with different opinions which Paul would ultimately learn to do and become a better off, (somewhat) more sympathetic character for. But besides defending him despite his being far worse about disrespecting those who disagreed or didn't live up to his opinion, the frequency and seriousness of his cruelty was worse than many of the shows clear cut villains whom were justly condemned. Notably his training and abandoning for being weak of Chimchar was identical to what was treated as a Moral Event Horizon for the prior trainers of Ash's other fire-type staters, the one, unacknowledged, difference being Paul was upfront to Chimchar about it. The catalysis for his redeeming character development, losing to Brandon and learning Ash had beaten them, was seen as being negated by Paul beating Ash almost immediately afterwards and all his other praise causing his change to be seen as insufficient and unearned if not illegitimate.
Was changed to:
- Paul's not a sympathetic character per se, but his character was defended and his strength as a trainer praised on the principle of respecting those with different opinions, as Paul would eventually come to do himself—but before he finally got there, Paul routinely failed to respect different opinions by disrespecting those who disagreed with him or failed to live up to his expectations, and "different opinions" was no justification for his punishing treatment and abandonment of Chimchar for being weak (which has happened before in the series, but when it did it was treated unquestionably as a Moral Event Horizon). The ostensible catalyst for Paul's redemption—his loss to Brandon and discovery that Ash had beaten him—had its effect weakened by Paul defeating Ash in a rematch almost immediately after. In the end, even if there was something to be said for Paul's ideas of how to train pokémon, the show went beyond that and routinely tried to insist Paul was respectable when he generally wasn't. Like how some of it was make more concise but it moved the objective reason some saw him as such. Permission to modify?
Permission to make my proposed modifications?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaughtopen Edit war over gender identity
So Guilty Gear -STRIVE- started out the second DLC wave by adding Bridget into the game yesterday-ish. And the major Character Development Bridget had in their Arcade Mode is that they decided to come out as transwoman. And because of that, a lot of entries about Bridget had been added or edited to take this in mind. And this is where the edit war begins:
- Woe Gone Bestowed did some
edits to
YMMV.Guilty Gear and YMMV.Guilty Gear Strive removing or editing entries about Bridget under the edit reason of "It's been confirmed to be the bad ending, the flawless ending reconfirms that he's a boy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W5ezv_xxOk
"
- Saturn 500 reverted the changes under the reason that "Bridget’s flawless ending actually doesn’t contradict the ending you get for being a failure."
- Woe Gone Bestowed then came back and reverted the reversion with no edit reason.
- Ayumi Chan tried to edit one of the changed entries, but Woe reverted that change.
openTroper Ignoring Notifiers
I'm back. I would like to report that Dat Boi 10 has been ignoring any notifiers I send them. For the record, I sent them a PM about this about a couple days ago. However, I haven't gotten a response to either any my PM or any of my notifiers.
The most recent notifier I sent was for a grammar mistake, namely in Characters.Arknights Guards when they typed
"due" instead of "oue". They also used incorrect indentation at least several times, namely on
Characters.Arknights Snipers N To Z and the page
ThatOneLevel.Arknights.
I've also sent them several Administrivia.Word Cruft notifiers, like when they typed "Similarly". Now, I'm aware that that isn't WC by itself. However, when it starts a sub-bullet like in that edit
, it is. They also added
"basically" to GameBreaker.Arknights. In another edit to that page, they added
"pretty much".
I'm sorry if this isn't important. Personally, I'm unsure if this is suspensible, I just want to hear if a mod can fix this issue. Also, a couple mods told me that they prefer ATT posts rather than DMs.
EDIT: I fixed an error with a link.
Edited by RandomTroper123
HoMM Fan
openTroper Creating Main wiki pages for nonexistant works
Kraken Nowak has been actively editing on TV Tropes since last October, and a majority of their edits are based around the works found on Creator.Gavin Nowak.
As you can tell, though, these works are all given release dates at least 5 years in the future, if not as many as 20, and there is no record of them actually existing anywhere other than the creator's head.
Normally I would move them myself, but I wanted to make an ATT about it as the creator is still active on TV Tropes and edited the pages just today.
openWondering about these Edits
Before I continue, I want to note several things. Firstly, this post contains spoilers for Amphibia. Next, this post is rather long, though that's more of a heads-up if anything.
Two days later however, Derv0s B 2 made an edit
to the page and one of the changes they made was removing the Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse entry under the edit reason, "Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse only applies when it's an In-Universe callout, which Andrias never gets — the closest we get is Anne telling him he's evil in 'True Colors' after receiving a very limited and self-biased account of his motivations, and Andrias himself admitting that he's gone too far".
Then on August 3rd, the entry was brought back
again by Cartoon LGB Tfanofall Time under the explanation, "Readd Freudian Excuse is no excuse, as the part where he's admitted he's too far gone also counts.". This was what the entry looked like:
My reasoning for making this post is that I'm curious if this counts as an Administrivia.Edit War. And, if it is an Edit War, which troper was edit warring or if it was both of them. (For the record, I'm aware that something it doesn't count as an Edit War if you bring back an entry and you fix why it was removed in the first place.) Finally, I am aware that I could be jumping the gun. And, if I am, please tell me. Thanks for reading all this.
EDIT: I tried further revising this.
Edited by MacronNotesopenTo avoid an Edit War
I bring up a recent edit on the Character page for corru.observer by GooseWithAPhone which has resulted in unilateral changes to folder names and addition of speculative tropes that I'd like to revert. Specifically:
- The troper added Ambiguously Gay for a character whose actions have yet too little context or weight behind them for a work that is still being released in chapters as we speak, renamed He Knows Too Much to "She Knows Too Much" which is frowned upon, and tried to mask speculation by claiming the trope is "heavily implied" without sufficient proof.
- Renamed folders with the full names of some characters, when the game itself refers to them by their shortened names and they're rarely referred upon by their full names.
- Added a few tropes about a character that reek of speculation hidden behind "implications" that I do not believe are necessarily there yet.
resolved Is "All-New Venom" page overdoing it a little with the Paul hate? Literature
I noticed recent edits to All-New Venom seem to be definitively describing Paul Rabin as an abusive asshole selfishly gaslighting and brainwashing Mary Jane into staying with him when she clearly still loves Peter Parker.
Now, I don't like Paul any more than... well... pretty much everyone, including the writers and artists at Marvel, but that strikes me as going into Alternative Character Interpretation territory—indeed, Paul being an abusive asshole who uses gaslighting and dark magic to manipulate MJ into staying with him when she still loves Peter Parker is mentioned under Alternative Character Interpretation on the YMMV page.
If anything, Paul is depicted as a Butt-Monkey who's effectively being cuckolded by the Venom symbiote and is disrespected by Dylan Brock at every available opportunity despite reaching out to the latter and trying to be a supportive father figure.
Edited by Arawn999openWMG Editing Videogame
There's been discussion over on WMG.Marvel Rivals that's called attention to some issues people have with the page, myself included. Being a hero shooter full of marvel characters, there's a big section on the page where ppl can speculate on who the next heroes are gonna be, with some making guesses about gameplay, character interactions and what role the devs will give them. The vast majority of it, however, has just been people throwing a bunch of marvel characters' names onto the list with no further elaboration or WMG regarding the game itself. And as a result it's just created this very bloated list with zero substance to the majority of it. It elicits the same feelings for me as a regular tropes page having a ton of ZCE entries. But I don't know if mods or other editors are approaching WMG with the same scrutiny as a tropes page, so idk how to further proceed with this issue. And it's not like it's an issue unique to this one page.
Edited by IkeaHanresolved Low quality edits - formatting & English
I guess I'll be the rat and I hate to do this (since I share the struggle), but it's just tiresome at this point.
Troper kruczak has zero regard for the English grammar and spelling. For months now, I've been carefully cleaning up his mess whenever I've stumbled into it, especially in works from the Polish Media index (since that's where we are both usually active, for obvious reasons). But after nearly two years of this, I'm absolutely done.
This isn't even that he's making mistakes. It's the scale and level of them, where he can't even be bothered to first check in a preview mode if his entries display properly (or notice there are red links or the formatting is off after posting). So "naturally" stuff like doing the spellcheck or fixing the grammar is off the menu. And it's almost always a one-and-done type of deal, with no attempt to fix things later, revisit or anything like that.
I get it with some of his mistakes. Polish doesn't have articles of any kind, so it's pure abstraction trying to grasp the English ones. But for Christ's sake, we reached the technological point where the browser itself is going to pick up half of the slack by itself, highlighting mistakes, and there are dozens upon dozens of grammar autocorrect tools readily available (guilty as charged for always double-checking with those and I'm still unsure most of the time). There is literally no excuse to keep making the same basic mistakes that a mid-schooler would know better than to make.
So pretty please, do something with this guy, for I'm done being his editor or covering for him.
A sample of his most recent edits, but they are all
like this:
(No, I can't PM here, I'm banned from using PMs, someone else will have to do that)
Edited by TropiarzopenInappropriate Author Troping?
Cat Coin 777 added these to Tamers 12345 Pony Animation and its YMMV page.
- Stay in the Kitchen: Despite being a homosexual work in 2024, the work is gender conforming, Tamers himself, the author. Describes himself in the gay spectrum, is heteronormative, that means women are femenine, and men have manly tendencys period. Written as complaining against author. Also asking why does this allow real life examples?
- Toilet Humour: No, it’s not a fetish. Yes Tamers founds it funny (up to eleven). Clear creator bashing and ZCE otherwise.
- Love to Hate: Just becayse this is a homosexual authored work, does not mean it’s progressive, Tamers himself is very heteronormative, yet, such traditionalism may add to the surreal humour. Far as I can tell, Tamers is not an in-universe character so author bashing. Also just realized Love to Hate isn't no real life examples, why?
It seems like a particularly contentious work, not sure if it needs further attention beyond those recent edits. Thoughts?
openWhich Page Should Be Linked To?
Celebrity Power Couple had the following example (I'm showing the namespace of the work because it's relevant. I also shortened the example text since the example content itself isn't that relevant):
- ComicBook.Batman Grant Morrison: Billionaire industrialist, philanthropist, and socialite Bruce Wayne...
Gate Star X changed it to:
- ComicBook.Batman: In ComicBook.Batman Grant Morrison, Bruce Wayne, the billionaire industrialist, philanthropist, and socialite....
I was under the impression that if the more specific work page is available, you use that as the main example link. You only use the main page to group together multiple examples from different works in the series or if the specific comic/work doesn't have a page on the site. So the original was fine and the change is unnecessary. But Gate Star X told me they've seen the second version done around the wiki and are just following suit. Is there any clear policy on this someone can point us to?
Edited by amathieu13resolved Soft Reboot Misuse
A few years ago I added Sonic Adventure to the Soft Reboot page. Fast forward to today and it somehow bloated to the point of absurdity that every 3D entry in the Sonic series is a Soft Reboot. Here's my assessment:
- While the Adventure games defined the tone of the franchise for several years, a period lengthened by a successful transition to Nintendo hardware, Sega then decided to go Multi-Platform with Sonic Heroes, a game that expanded on the playable roster (from six "main" characters in each of the Adventure games to a whopping twelve), emphasizing straightforward and lighthearted storytelling (as opposed to the more somber elements of death and destruction in the Adventure games), and ignoring most of the existing lore. No, it's a direct continuation of the Adventure duology. It didn't "ignore the existing lore". An expanded cast, a shift in tone, and a new gameplay gimmick doesn't differentiate it enough from past games.
- Sega then decided to exploit its then hottest character and gave him the leading role in Shadow the Hedgehog, but this proved to be such a commercial and popular failure that the next big console release — Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) — was openly described as a reboot in articles and press releases leading-up to its release (note that "2006" is not in the game's actual title, which is simply Sonic the Hedgehog, as though it were the first in the series). This game featured a massive Tone Shift away from a Doom-esque hellscape to a highly wrought and exotic setting typical of Final Fantasy, revisited Adventure-style narrative tropes like ancient evils and decades-old intrigue, removed any cartoony design elements (save for Funny Animals like Sonic and friends) — it even had a realistic Eggman. Maybe this can stay. I'm a bit iffy on this one since it still takes place in the Adventure continuity. My main hang-up is "thin Eggman" and Yuji Naka stating in interviews that he wanted to reinvent the franchise to be more like Batman (yes, really). Honestly the title alone gives the impression that this was a supposed to be a reboot
- With the failure of '06, Sega decided to rework its approach once again. After three games featuring Sonic's substantial list of playable characters, Sega began a more experimental period in two parts focused almost exclusively on Sonic himself. The Sonic Storybook Series featured Sonic in solo on-rails adventures in fantasy worlds derived from real-life legend, while Sonic Unleashed compromised between this approach and the Sonic Adventure approach to narrative and game design, with another ancient evil plot and experimental Beat 'em Up gameplay. Another notable element of this era was the reduction of Sonic's portrayal as a goody two-shoes, which had dominated his characterization from Heroes to '06, in favor of restoring his Mascot with Attitude personality. I feel like Unleashed can stay because it discarded the Adventure storyline, introduced the Boost mechanic that would go on to define the HD era of Sonic, and made Sonic the main focus of the series from this point forward as opposed to the Loads And Loads Of Characters of past 3D Sonic games.
- None of these games proved to be an especially successful new direction, prompting Sega to go back to even further basics with Sonic Colors: a pure contest of wills between Sonic and Eggman to rescue distressed critters (and in that sense a plot no more complicated than the very first Sonic the Hedgehog 1), with Tails on the sidelines to give Sonic somebody to chat with. Colors also notably employed a simple and lighthearted tone not seen since Sonic Heroes, but also an irreverent and tightly written comedic tone not seen since Sonic's early American cartoons. Colors was a hit, prompting Sega to borrow most of the gameplay and expand on its approach to the Classic era Sonic with Sonic Generations, and then providing a direct sequel to Colors with Sonic Lost World, which expanded on the outer space setting of Colors by employing design elements from Super Mario Galaxy. I don't think Colors differentiates itself enough from Unleashed to count, and I wouldn't call Lost World a "direct sequel" to Colors.
- With the failure of Lost World, however, Sega embarked on a new project entirely in Sonic Boom, an era of the franchise spanning several years' worth of video games, a cartoon, and comic books. Boom was a spinoff that reimagined the core Sonic cast from the ground up and engaged them with adventure archaeology and mad science more in the vein of Crash Bandicoot than of Sonic's historic high-speed platforming (no doubt thanks to the creators of Boom having been involved with Crash years before). Sonic Boom was never intended to replace the mainline continuity of the Sonic franchise, it was always meant to be a spinoff, so this can go.
- Sonic Forces, the first major core series title since Boom began, references previous titles while at the same time leaving out a lot of things from previous games. Most blatantly, there are no humans besides Eggman (there aren't even minor human NPCs anywhere), and though there's a world war going on, G.U.N. is nowhere in sight. Instead, for the first time in the games, we have Funny Animal minor characters appearing. The game also doesn't include some previous areas such as Station Square and instead takes place near a nondescript "City." However... There were no humans since Colors either, and no mention of G.U.N. since '06 because Unleashed basically did away with the Adventure continuity.
- Tepid reaction to Forces (and certain assertations about series lore during this time) ensured that Sega once again would backtrack from this new direction beginning with Sonic Frontiers, which notably introduced an "Open Zone" structure to the gameplay formula. Frontiers and supplemental works such as TailsTube would also begin "clarifying" more controversial Word of God statements made during the Forces era so as to no longer conflict with pre-existing canon while also Canon Welding the games to other media like the IDW comics and Sonic Prime and having a stronger, more serious focus on continuity over the more self-referential and often self-deprecating humor of the 2010s (often dubbed the "Meta Era" as a result). This could probably count, since the "boost to win" formula and self-deprecating snark from Unleashed and onward were finally abandoned in favor of open-world gameplay and a script that takes itself much more seriously.
resolved Possible Suspension Dodging/Improper Editing Behavior
So for a while now I've been going back and forth on the Aztec Batman: Clash of Empires YMMV page where this troper "thebendu" keeps editing the one meme entry on that page (a meme of Joker being "based" for siding with the Spaniards to stop the human sacrificing of people and children) where they kept editing it to paint the real life Aztecs as victims of the evil Spaniards, ignoring how that's not what the meme is. Their few other edits where also all focused on whitewashing how brutal the Aztecs were in real life, for what that's worth.
Long story short on that, they kept ignoring the rules on editing or provide any reasoning I reported them and they got suspension. Now I hop on and check that page, some troper who never existed before today called "Boobam 45" just deleted the whole entry claiming it to be "racist" and that it should enter the discussion forms (which they did not do, they just deleted it). Given this was with 24 hours of thebendu's suspension, and they still left an empty Memetic Mutation entry (similar to thebendu's past edits lacking proper formatting), I think this new account is just thebendu under a new name still trying to block that entry despite being reported and suspended once already. There has been no activity on that page aside from myself and them to suggest otherwise.
To be honest I find this whole thing ridiculous and exhausting at this point, this guy is obsessed with not letting a stupid meme be discussed, but the fact remains it seems like there's someone on this site concerned only with rewriting history to what they see as "proper" and is ignoring all the rules and regulations of this site to do so.
Edited by koryresolved Removing (non-problematic) edits created by ban-evader
As you probably all know, a user going by the name of Blase Son Of A Gun 1988 revealed themself to be a ban-evader.
For a short time, they were a contributor on the page for Our avatars are posting on a forum thread and its subpages. Most, if not all of their edits were relatively tame.
Is it okay to scrub these edits (and possibly all mentions of the characters they played) due to them being a ban-evader or do the edits have to be problematic to justify it?
Edited by The21zonzopenClomplainy Edits
Lilybelle
has been making complainy edits related to Disney's Wish (2023). In addition to the edits done to the movie's page itself (a specific example would be this really long Character Shilling example
, they have also edited a Ron the Death Eater entry to include more complaints about main character Asha, bolding the word "many" in "many detractors" and adding in the word "ungrateful".
openConcerning Hazbin edit
Under YMMV.Hazbin Hotel, Zardonix made this addition to Base-Breaking Character:
- Season 1's Arc Villain Adam, the first man on Earth and leader of the Exorcists, is the most divisive character in the show for many reasons. Those who love him find him to be a hilarious, cool, yet still threatening adversary for the main cast to face. Others find him to be a flat, one-dimensional villain whose comedic moments are too grating even if intended due to his non-stop swearing and dickishness, which prevents him from being taken seriously even when he's at his most menacing. His non-stop swearing in particular is seen as almost playing into the criticism that detractors make about the Hellaverse overusing swearing and putting it into one character. The decision to make him white has also attracted much criticism. With Eden likely being in the middle east like the rest of the Bible, making Adam white has been pointed out to be an odd decision, especially considering making the first human a white man has some unfortunate implications. While some have tried to justify the choice i.e. His real face supposedly being meant to resembling his va.
Besides coming of as to focused on the complaint side for BBC (which means both side are equally presented), this has baggage concerning enough I'm bringing here.
Would portraying Adam/such an evil and jerkass character as a non-white ethnicity not have issues itself?
Hazbin cleanup is discussing the issue
, suggesting it's a nonissue within the fandom so misuse.

So I was reading a page, and came across a Take That Us link, which I remember three days ago used to redirect to Self-Deprecation.
But apparently, prettycoolguy changed it into a disambiguation link
.
Was this talked about anywhere? I didn't see any discussion about it, and the edit reason makes me believe they decided this entirely on their own.
Edited by Steven-Keys