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openFanworks on Main (and ban evader?)
DetestableDegenerate linked various ROM hacks of Super Metroid to the main page.
- Sequel Escalation: Many of the game's ROM hacks, most notably Z-Factor
and Redesign
, are monumentally larger than the original. Also, Metroid Fusion in terms of it being an Actionized Sequel.
It seem inappropriate to put fan works to the main since they are not part of the work itself (also, Fusion should go under its own page). I've similarly seen things like Fix Fic in the works that they fix. Should those be removed?
Also, Larkmarn removed their edits claiming they were a ban-evader
, (it is a very new account) which DetestableDegenerate immediately restored. If they were a ban-evader, I assume they would have been banned before they could add it back, are they? (This would effect what we clean up.
open Potential Bias in Avatar pages? Western Animation
Okay, so K 2 Misfit has made two edits on Avatar pages that I find somewhat questionable. The first is on the YMMV page, under Franchise Original Sin :
And the second is under Fandom-Specific Plot:
Both seem to be editorializing somewhat. Now, in regards to the former, that's probably going to happen at least a little on the YMMV pages, but I still think they ought to reflect some sort of consensus, whereas this mentions a lot of specific issues that seem to be the troper's person opinions framed as a generally accepted "this is the way it should have been". Still, this is the YMMV page, so maybe I should be more lenient when it comes to opinions, but at least some of it seems like a stretch.
As for the latter entry, it seems to be going in a YMMV direction on a page that is not that. Certainly, a mention of fics that wish to further explore queer issues in the verse is perfectly fine, even mentioning that many do not feel that it was explored as well as it could be, but I don't think the somewhat accusatory tone of the entry is necessary. I think this entry deserves to stay, but it ought to be rewritten somewhat.
Thoughts?
openPossible Bluenose Bowdlerizer?
I'm not exactly sure what's going on here, but I recently looked at my watchlist and saw that ExultantCapon
edited Characters.Nichijou to change the word "fuck" to "hell". I don't necessarily disagree with this change but I took a look at the edit history anyway and noticed a tendency towards changing seemingly inocuous words into other phrases. I've also noticed all of the edits are today.
Examples:
- Ungrateful Bastard - "Hates with a passion" to "annoying as heck"
- GetAHoldOfYourselfMan.Anime And Manga - "came to his senses" to "came to himself" and "didn't want to slap Suzaku back into his senses" to "didn't plan to slap Suzaku into realization"
- UsefulNotes.Japanese Pronouns - Deleted "Conversely, Bulma calls him "anta" and definitely is being rude." Probably justified as natter, but no edit reason was included and a porition of an entry directly below got deleted along with it.
- Characters.Samurai Pizza Cats - "idiots" to "dimwits" (though the word is capitalized so maybe it's a term correction?) and "hair-trigger temper" to "crazy short temper"
openOK to use notes to hide spoilers? Videogame
The regular [[spoiler]] tag is fine for hiding a few words, but is it okay to use [[labelnote]] instead to hide a large amount of spoiler-y text?
I'm cleaning up the page VisualNovel.The Letter, and some of the examples are a bit lengthy.
For example, I want to change this:
- Earn Your Bad Ending: In order to trigger certain character deaths or ruin certain relationships, you have to deliberately choose options that are cowardly, impulsive or very clearly offensive. Surprisingly, this also applies to the True Ending, which is not an Everybody Lives ending and requires you to deliberately trigger the deaths of Hannah, Marianne and Ashton before sending Luke off for a Heroic Sacrifice. And this is after you unlock the Memory Fragments that are triggered by every individual character's death.
to this:
- Earn Your Bad Ending: In order to trigger certain character deaths or ruin certain relationships, you have to deliberately choose options that are cowardly, impulsive or very clearly offensive. spoiler Surprisingly, this also applies to the True Ending, which is not an Everybody Lives ending and requires you to deliberately trigger the deaths of Hannah, Marianne and Ashton before sending Luke off for a Heroic Sacrifice. And this is after you unlock the Memory Fragments that are triggered by every individual character's death.
It's not a big deal by itself, but several examples are like this, and it makes the page look like Swiss-cheese for people with spoilers off. I don't want to be overzealous with the notes, so I want to ask here first.
(I actually asked a similar question here a few weeks ago, so this is kind of like a follow-up question.)
Thanks!
Edited by craleigh318openAdoredByTheNetwork/TeenTitansGo Western Animation
This page
of Teen Titans Go!, unsurprisingly has a lot of complaining in it. I was gonna clean it myself, but I can't even tell what examples should remain at this point.
openBadly-made work page Literature
This page seems very inappropriately made. The issue of self-promotion aside, it contains many instances of This Troper, use of first person and a fair amount of Natter. Anyone familiar with the work care to do some clean-up?
Edited by LogoPopenDethroning Moment misuse?
From DethroningMoment.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic:
- Midna: The part where Applejack tears into Coco (or, um, "Miss") Pommel's dress is just horrendous and makes both parties look bad. In Applejack's case, it's turning an otherwise likeable (if in my opinion bland) character into a dick for the sake of laughs. Element of Honesty or no, there's being frank and then there's mocking someone behind their back, and AJ's not quite a genius but she's at least smart enough to know which of the two this is. Let's not forget that Applejack has actually met Coco before, gotten to know her, and grown to like her. She'd be damn well aware that a sensitive girl like her would absolutely not appreciate her design being trashed like that. As for Coco... well, she didn't do anything wrong really, it's the way the writers are treating her. Coco was shown to be an extremely competent designer in Rarity Takes Manehattan—her cutie mark is a fancy hat for god's sake—so where the hell did this "disco ball" come from? It's giving a lovable and extremely popular character the Idiot Ball for the sake of a gag, and it just comes off as disrespectful. (In fact, between the ridiculous dress design and her cold in The Saddle Row Review, it's hard not to believe one or more of the writers have a personal vendetta against the character for some reason). Come on, guys, you know how popular Coco is. You should have known this would be a jerk move. The salt meets the wound when you realize that this is the only time Coco is so much as mentioned in the entirety of Season 7. Nope, no physical appearances at all. That Rarity episode you're hoping for where she'll show up and melt your heart again? Not happening. You Coco fans are getting a passing mention so she can make a fool of herself and the sweet farm girl can mock her in an uncharacteristically mean way, and dammit, you're gonna like it. Oh, but don't worry—she gets a very few blink-and-you'll-miss-them, voiceless cameos in the movie! That makes up for everything, right? ... r-right?//
The last part regarding Fake It Till You Make It was recently added. I ask if that part breaks the "One moment per work to a troper. If multiple entries are signed to the same troper, the more recent ones will be cut and/or moved to the discussion page." rule, or if the "it's the last we're hearing of her period" should be removed because we don't know for sure it's the last we'll hear of her.
openEdit-Warring on Monster Hunter Character page
I recently deleted an SNK Boss entry from Monster Hunter Fifth Generation Monsters with the reasoning that Monster Hunter: World is not part of a genre that has bosses that fit SNK Boss. It got re-added by Vsquared_42
, and it turns out that this isn't the first time they re-added the entry when it got pulled.
I asked in Is This an Example?
whether I was correct about SNK Boss not applying to a game like Monster Hunter: World, and there is a discussion thread
on the page itself. However, since edit-warring has now happened, I thought it might be best to bring it up here as well.
open Edit War
rockdeworld added an unfitting example of Point of No Return (see here
), namely a case of temporary not being able to go back (the trope's definition clearly says it's for permanent cases. Furthermore, it violated indentation rules. I removed it, but then they added it back, thus triggering an edit war. Worse, after I sent them an Issue Helper on the matter, they said the example was valid (apparently they only interpret the mere act of not being able to go back as an example, disregarding the fact that it's only temporary) and said that I should just have "fixed [the misindentaion myself]"" (as if it was something optional I could do just because they chose not to).
open Troper with an agenda Web Original
apm483@gmail.com
has made some edits that seem hostile towards non-binary people.
They added the following under Hype Backlash on YMMV.Gen Lock:
- Speaking of All-Star Cast, some backlash were given due to the casting of "non-binary" Asia Kate Dillon as Valentina. This is despite Valentina xirself is "genderfluid" like Asia is.
And they also commented out the following example on Awesome.Gen Lock:
With the edit reason:
openEdit War on ''No Exit''
Stanisz added a bunch of examples to No Exit, with spoiler tags. When somebody adjusted the spoiler tags, Stanisz added the spoiler tags right back, with the text "Fixing your "fixing" of spoiler tags. The fact that [...] doesn't even get obvious for a quite a while, and way to spoil [CHARACTER NAME]'s involvement"
(As you can tell, I removed spoilery information from that quote, since I assume some of you have yet to see the movie.)
Since it's hard to tell what changes were made twice by Stanisz, let me point it out:
- Character names were absent from the below quote. When they were added, as is proper, Stanisz removed them again. (Would have been better to just spoiler them out, if you ask yours truly.)
- Stupid is getting yourself killed for a stranger.- I'm a Marine, you idiot. It's what we do.
- The two final words in They Look Like Everyone Else were spoiler-tagged again.
- Stanisz removed the commenting-out from Crucified Hero Shot after adding that zero-context example originally, but didn't add any info as he removed the commenting-out.
- One paragraph starts with "Darby is a drug addicted no-gooder..." The spoiler-tags at the end of that paragraph were re-added.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, Stanisz also has some grammar trouble. There's article problems, forgetting "a" and "the", though I talked to him about that already, and sentences like "Ochucki starts at one point chewing Hochwander over his Stealing from the Till..."
Edited by MichaelKatsuroopenFaux Action Girls in Yu-Gi-Oh! Anime
Jack Pot 21 has been continuously removing the Faux Action Girl entries in the different Yu-Gi-Oh! pages throughout the years, even after multiple users have been re-editing, providing justifications and reworking entries so that they show what the trope entails.
- Yu-Gi-Oh!: Mai Kujaku/Valentine is setup as a powerful duelist that manages to defeat Rex Raptor (the Japanese Championship runner-up) off-screen. However, she never manages to back-up said reputation, losing all of her major on-screen duels with the exception of one against Jean-Claude Magnum (a one-off mook) and one against Joey (who was thoroughly exhausted by his duel with Valon in the same episode) in the Doma arc.
- Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's: Akiza is an interesting example of this. She has a fearsome reputation as the "Black Rose Witch", a ferocious and powerful psychic duelist that enjoys inflicting pain on others. This is eventually revealed to be a facade created by Akiza as a response to being treated as a monster. As such, she goes from easily stomping her opponents and nearly defeating Yusei in the Fortune Cup, to losing in less than two turns to Andore in the WRGP. She also loses her psychic powers without much of a reason.
- Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL: Rio Kamishiro is presented as The Ace that is both academically and sports-gifted, with many characters expressing awe at how competent and scary she is. However, she never quite manages to leave the shadow of her brother Shark, mostly serving as a source for his character drama and getting hospitalized, kidnapped, possessed, thrown-off a cliff, hospitalized (again) and finally killed by characters that just wanted to hurt and/or attract Shark's attention, with Rio never able to fight back once.
- Yu-Gi-Oh! VRAINS:
- Blue Angel/Aoi Zaizen is one of the most prominent Charisma Duelists in Link VRAINS, presented with a bubbly and energetic idol persona, but willing to prove herself as a duelist to her brother and Yusaku, and also getting multiple avatar makeovers related to her development, as if setting up a big character moment. Unfortunately, she always loses her duels against plot-prominent villains (and the protagonists), with her loss to Specter being presented as particularly humiliating. This is possibly lampshaded by the characters in the final episode, as Kusanagi thanks Aoi and the others for saving his brother and Link VRAINS, with Aoi admitting that she actually didn't do anything.
- Emma Besho/Ghost Girl is presented as a skillful hacker and bounty hunter hired by Akira Zaizen to gather information about Playmaker. She's actually quite competent at collecting data, spying on others and making her way through Link Vrains; it's the "bounty hunter" part of her description that she always fails at, with her only win in the entirety of VRAINS being against Brave Max. This is particularly ironic, given that her Altergeist deck was one of the most competitive decks ever featured in the anime.
Jack Pot 21 has been removing any entries regarding the franchise since some years ago with many shifting justifications. First it was that the entries centered around winrates; then when the entries were adjusted to not focus on winrates, he added the justification that "examples for this entry can be very subjective", but I can't help but feel that this is agenda-driven edition, and that he feels that the entries are attacks on the characters themselves rather than assessments of how the (male) staff has issues writing women, which is something that the YGO fanbase has acknowledged over and over.
When his original argument for the removal of the entries was
"Having what’s personally deem as an “unimpressive victory” or because they don’t have enough duels doesn’t mean a female character a Faux Action Girl. Aki for example has a good win/loss ratio, yet she’s labeled as one simply for being nicer in the second season, ignoring the fact she only had one loss and a few Action Girl moments outside of duels."
Which seems to me a very suspect justification shift, as he went from claiming that "not having enough duels doesn't mean a female character is a Faux Action Girl" to saying that "Rio's examples don't even include anything duel-related" which are two contradicting statements.
Also, I quote one of the opening statements in the Faux Action Girl definition
"She has a well-grounded reputation as a strong fighter in her field but always fails miserably in the line of battle. Her talents and skills are well-known to fellow characters but for some strange reason, they're never seen by the viewers outside of perhaps A Day in the Limelight episode"
YGO is a shonen battle anime, in which the fights are card-game duels. Most of these examples include characters that have strong reputations in dueling, but they always fail miserably. They even get the "Talents and skills are well known to fellow characters but they're never seen outside of perhaps a Day in the Limelight episode", which is particularly glaring with Rio Kamishiro, who only got a character focus episode before going back to serving as a source of character drama for Shark.
Addendum: It seems like Jack Pot 21 has already had multiple issues through the wiki by attempting to tweak Yu-Gi-Oh pages to show what only he thinks are valid examples despite evidence to the contrary, which I believe is something that should be taken into account here.
Edited by Edgar81539
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
open Avoiding an edit war on My Hero Academia - Izuku Midoriya
I removed this example from Characters.My Hero Academia Izuku Midoriya for being misuse:
- Ambiguous Disorder: Two.
- His constant doubting of himself, fear of being perceived as a fraud due to not having obtained his Quirk in a normal way, and his constant feelings of incompetence despite his improvements and achievements heavily suggests he suffers from Imposter Syndrome. This can easily be stemmed from his less than ideal childhood where he was ostracized by others for his Quirklessness and ruthlessly bullied by his former friend, Katsuki Bakugo.
- He may also suffer from Stockholm Syndrome in his friendship with Bakugo. Considering they were once friends before Bakugo deemed Midoriya inferior and worthless due to him growing prideful and arrogant, Midoriya may continue to see Bakugo's positive qualities despite how ruthlessly Bakugo bullied him. Midoriya still considers Bakugo his friend even though Bakugo is often cruel and derogatory towards him.
Ambiguous Disorder examples shouldn't name specific disorders: the trope is about when it's clear that a character has SOME disorder but it's hard to tell which one specifically. Here, it was used to say that it's ambiguous whether he has a specific disorder.
North Wolf then re-added the Imposter Syndrome part of the example, saying that "He may not have Stockholm syndrome, but he still checks a lot of boxes for Imposter Syndrome", which is missing the point of why I removed the example in the first place. I sent a PM but they didn't respond and have had other activity since then.
open Troper deleting entries without providing reasons
frogpatrol has been deleting examples from Ambiguously Human without leaving an edit reason for doing so.
- Although referred to as an alien (and it would make her a Human Alien), Skye in the 2021 John Lewis Christmas advert
looks human enough but it's never clarified if she is a human, Half-Human Hybrid or Human Alien, with only her unfamiliarity with earth and Christmas making it quite unclear what she is exactly. She doesn't have any abilities associated with a human alien, but her behavior suggests she isn't quite human.
- Batman:
- Jack Nicholson's Joker in Batman (1989). While his pre-clown persona, Jack Napier, is unquestionably human, you have to wonder about exactly what happened to Napier after he fell into that acid; after all, No One Could Survive That!. It's undeniably creepy when the Joker tells his first victim: "I've been dead once already; it's very liberating." During his face-off with the Batwing during the parade, he seems almost unafraid of death; does he believe he's become immortal? And just how are we supposed to interpret the Joker's signature line "Did you ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight?" (He was already saying that as Napier, but on the other hand it could have been Foreshadowing.)
- In Batman Returns there's Selina Kyle, who's Ambiguously Alive. It's never made clear whether she survived being pushed out that high window (she only awakens after the alley cats lick and bite her, and up to that point she appeared pretty dead), and given Catwoman's borderline superhuman and/or supernatural powers (though many have noted there are logical in-universe explanations for those) it's possible that Catwoman/Selina is no longer human, but some kind of avenging angel/zombie/feline hybrid.
- Almost all of the members of the Penguin's Red Triangle Gang, though grotesquely costumed, are obviously human in appearance, and the Penguin himself is shown to be the deformed offspring of human parents (though in his madness, he thinks he's nonhuman)... but then there are those "skeleton-bikers" who tear around Gotham Plaza when the gang launches its first attack. They're about the same size as the human characters, and obviously a villain with the power to raise the undead would have far grander plans in mind than the Penguin does in this movie, but... those skulls. They look real, and they're much too large to be ordinary masks. You have to look very closely to make out the actors' bare skin underneath, making it clear that what we're seeing is just a really high-tech Hollywood makeup job — although whether that's the case in-universe is doubtful, especially since the gang is living in near-poverty in the Gotham City sewers.]]
- A pretty common interpretation of the Man With No Name character in the Dollars Trilogy is that he isn't a human being. He appears to show only Inhuman Emotion, has near-supernatural abilities with guns, has Blue-and-Orange Morality to the extent of Designated Hero at points, and is virtually identical in appearance during both the 1860s (The Good, the Bad and the Ugly) and 1890s (For a Few Dollars More). A more mundane interpretation is that the three films don't take place in the same 'universe' and that the Man is a different character each time, though the way that The Good, The Bad and The Ugly goes out of its way to show his origin story makes this a Continuity Snarl.
- Halloween (or at least the installments without anything overtly supernatural) has Michael Myers. Maybe he's some kind of indestructible boogeyman, or maybe he's just a very tough and persistent Serial Killer.
- The cast of Milky Way and the Galaxy Girls look like humans, though some have unusual hair colors. They are however anthropomorphic planets (though normal planets also exist in their universe) so it's unlikely they're human or that they age like humans.
- The Nations from Hetalia: Axis Powers all appear human, but live for ridiculously long amounts of time (China is 4,000 years old and, by Word of God, immortal) and their physical age is tied to the military strength of the country they represent. Their "birth" consists of them randomly showing up in an area as a very small child, and most if not all of their family relations are Not Blood Siblings. Also, their physical wellbeing is directly affected by the status of their country (Spain is made ill by The Mafia in his country, Lichtenstein nearly starves to death when her country is in a depression, and Hungary is "freakishly strong" around the time when her country helped with the War of Austrian Succession).
Again, frogpatrol has left no edit reasons, I have no way of knowing whether these deletions were justified or not.
open Obvious Beta misuse?
VideoGame.Pokemon Scarlet And Violet:
- Obvious Beta: The game launced in a very buggy state, with serious framerate issues and loads of glitches in the game quickly making rounds on social media.
It was deleted citing "the trope description itself says that the Obvious Beta trope is not meant for a game with bugs and it's only for games that are really unplayable. if it's really unplayable, there wouldn't have been players who finished the game earlier and share spoilers for the ending of scarlet and violet beforehand."
This was added back by a separate troper.
- Obvious Beta: While the game itself is technically still playable, there are numerous performance issues, ranging from frame drops, textures framing to load, models clipping through each other, and many other, more specific glitches, up and to including game crashes.
The first paragraph on the Obvious Beta page states "Attention: This trope is ONLY meant for games that are genuinely nigh unplayable at release. A few missing features, oversights and bugs do not count." Only the crashes part counts but I'm not sure if it's common enough to count.
What to do?
openCharacter is unmentioned and doesn't appear, yet has folder
This is about the character of Daeron Targaryen, located on Characters.House Of The Dragon Greens. He hasn't appeared in S1, isn't mentioned at all beyond a vague allusion, and was retroactively mentioned in the supplementary website only after the first season ended. Yet he has a folder that's been added/removed a couple of timesnote Counting the initial location of the fam at Characters.House Of The Dragon House Targaryen.
This is his The Ghost entry, which seems to be straining to justify the folder's existence:
- The Ghost: Daeron doesn't appear on-screen in Season 1 and most references to him were removed - except for one brief reference in the Season 1 finale when Daemon states that the Greens have four dragons (Daeron's dragon Tessarion being the fourth). The official HBO website's family tree was updated to include him after the Season 1 finale. Both Ryan Condal and George R.R. Martin himself confirmed in interviews that he exists in the TV continuity and will appear in Season 2: the explanation is that, as in the books, at the time period corresponding to the end of Season 1 he's away in Oldtown squiring for his Hightower cousins, so he wasn't part of the King's Landing storyline. They also avoided having anyone state exactly how many children Alicent has (such as "all three of my children" etc.) - compare this to how Game of Thrones Season 2 self-consciously avoided saying "Stannis has no children", but said "Stannis has no sons", to later introduce that he does have a daughter.
Season 2 of House of the Dragon is, however, publicly still in the writing stage and plans could very well change. Remove this and leave a note saying not to add it back until he actually shows up?
openPossible edit war - Creator/JKRowling
This one might be a borderline case in terms of the edit itself, but in context it seems worth flagging.
Back in March, following guidance from GastonRabbit, the intro paragraph on J. K. Rowling regarding Rowling's views on trans rights was cut back to a short summary
that tried to keep things factual and avoided weasel words or emotive language. This was agreed via the ROCEJ thread.
A comment was later added advising tropers to check with the thread before making unilateral changes on this.
On April 9th, PatTron made two changes
to that part of the intro - adding a reference to "massive controversy" and changing the "racist tropes" reference to "questionable tropes".
An 'Ignored Comment' notifier was sent, but the view on the thread was that folk were comfortable keeping 'questionable' phrasing. I removed the "massive controversy" line and reverted to the original wording for that sentence, though.
(The thread was very quiet at the time and there was no consensus/comment on that aspect - so reverting to the last version that did have consensus seemed safe)
Today PatTron has added
the "massive controversy" phrasing back into a different sentence within the same para, this time with edit reason "Had to include the word "controversy" elsewhere in the paragraph".
Again, there's been no engagement with the ROCEJ thread, and I've not seen any reply on the notifier message.
Edited by Mrph1open Potential Complaining Agenda
Ok, I hope I'm not making a mountain out of a molehill here since I'm not sure if this is serious enough to warrant a report, but over the past week on ScrappyMechanic.Genshin Impact (starting with this edit
), I noticed that Konoe Jerry has been making constant edits on the banner entry to talk about certain characters getting shafted for reruns, with particular mention going to Eula, whom they seem to have a personal attachment for. Initially I didn't find this a big deal at first, but overtime, their followup edits on the entry to put more emphasis on Eula have become more pronounced, with their most recent edit's edit reason
("And here I am, still waiting for Eula") making it obvious that they have some type of complaint agenda going on which appears to be motivated by saltiness.
Look, I get they're frustrated that Eula didn't get a rerun for so long (that's something all Genshin fans, myself included, experience), but I'm concerned that they'll continue using the page to vent about it until the time when (or if) she gets one, and it may get out of hand.
Edited by VintageEmma

Troper Peridonyx has issues with DMoS. On this page alone, I count some pretty severe and blatant unpunished violations of the rules governing entries, although I assure you there are more on other pages.
Perhaps this is redundant, but just in case anyone doesn't know them, here are the stated rules of any Dethroning Moment subpage:
Keep in mind:
And here are the entries Peridonyx has on the page:
I spot in these entries several violations of the above-mentioned rules, particularly these two:
And make no mistake, this is not an isolated incident. There are several other pages with multiple entries from this user that violate the same rules. Considering the rules are right near the top of the page and are one of the first things you see when you load the page, there is just no excuse not to see them, read them and follow them when troping. Never mind doing it again on multiple other pages, as you'll see if you look here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Peridonyx
And I'm sure if we looked farther, we'd find even more.
Which is why I'm bringing this to everyone's attention. I'm not a mod, I don't know the proper protocol for dealing with users who conduct themselves this way, but I know this is a pretty bad situation and I'm blowing the whistle on it.
As a coda, Peridonyx keeps using Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy. I don't think that entry means what they think it means. Can't tell if it's meant to be Angst Aversion or Eight Deadly Words though.