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openEdit War
Troper.Accursed Fans has edit warred on Devil, but No God over the Warhammer 40,000 example.
As the history shows
they added a section to the middle of the example about the Emperor that I removed and they later put back. Now while I admit the edit reason I gave wasn't great (I was in a bit of a rush at the time) I did send a custom notifier to them explaining myself betternote and noting that I believe the entire 40k entry should be removed as the description of the trope seems to indicate that good has to exist for it to be an example and as the setting is black vs. grey to black vs. black depending on the edition and writer is shouldn't count, and stating that they edit warred, but they appear to have ignored it (they have edited since), as they have other edit notifiers I have sent them in the past.
I would also note that Troper.Accursed Fans was previously been suspended for edit warring in march over a similar issue involving Warhammer 40,000.
Edited by SebastianGrayopenCommented-out notes on Dream. Web Original
Dream has a lot of commented-out notes at the top of the page. While commented-out notes are usually related to cleanups and image picking, these ones are not. For ease of access:
%%Thanks to all the people that contributed to LetsPlay.Dream! %% List of contributors here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/editors.php?entry=LetsPlay.Dream
%% Feel free to add yourself to this list
(List of some people who contributed to the page, currently at 13 editors)
%% THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED ON: %% More examples (let's get to a thousand!)
%% ''[[LetsPlay/{{Dream}} Dream's]]'' %% ''LetsPlay/{{Dream}}:''
%% The two lines above are for easy copy and pasting when crosswicking
The commented-out notes have been discussed by two people at the page's discussion page
, but I feel like some other opinions are needed. Are these commented-out notes OK?
openTroper edit-warring, declined to take disagreement to discussion page
Betoniarz and I are having a disagreement over an entry for the trope LOL, 69 on the Crusader Kings III page.
History:
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.CrusaderKingsIII#edit27876410
- Troper adds some extra content, that I felt was Natter. I sent a standard notifier for Natter.
- They asked for clarification since they edited the page several times (fair point).
- After clarifying to them, their response message included "In that time, you could fix it yourself."
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.CrusaderKingsIII#edit27922934
- So I did fix it myself.
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.CrusaderKingsIII#edit27923081
I don't want to extend the Edit War by making any more edits, so I'm coming here to get some feedback. I'm aware mods can see P Ms, so I'll let a mod decide either Betoniarz or myself have been unprofessional. I'll admit to not being a very friendly person, but I try to remain calm and collected when interacting with other tropers.
I sent a PM pointing them to this thread, so they can join in on discussing the entry.
Edit: They responded to my PM declining to join the discussion. I would ask that we respect that choice and not spam them with P Ms.
Edited by bitemytailopenTroper with oodles of problems
This troper here
has problems with examples not being self-contained
, referring to "the above mentioned" example; writing with awkward phrasing
("wasn't having to follow him repeatedly"?) and so on.
openPossible cut
On The Wiz, There's this listed under Older Than They Think
- For one (fairly conservative) online reviewer, The Wiz Live! was apparently tainted with the violence of black culture, thus making it less family friendly from the "original 1939 version", due to Dorothy being prompted to murder the witch (as opposed to stealing her broomstick). Ironically, that only occurred in the 1939 film, which isn't the original Wizard Of Oz. In the original book, the Wizard really does tell Dorothy to straight up murder the Wicked Witch, who at that point wasn't even actively a threat to her. This act of violence wasn't added to the story of The Wiz Live! due to it being a black casted show. It was always there from when the story was originally written.
Would it really count as YMMV if the writeup itself states that it was only one person rather than a group of people and it doesn't even give any names as to who or what said it?
Edited by nwotyzalopenEdit war on YMMV.DigimonTamers
Link to the start of the edit chains
. lgcruz proceeded to downplay author's support for the conspiracies via rephrasing it to the tune of "he just talks about them", claiming to having posted "proof" in the forum thread
(with more posts on following pages).
On the page itself, after lgcruz' first softening edit, starjewel reverted it to what it was before and then lgcruz redid their changes.
openNSFW Offsite Links on Work Page Webcomic
The page for The Perry Bible Fellowship has a section for tropes occurring in individual strips, several of which include NSFW links. I don't think it meets the criteria for pornography, as it's an adult humor comic and not used for titillation, but there's uncensored breasts and genitalia, depictions of sex, etc. I was under the impression that this was against the rules (or at least, other NSFW works like Oglaf have notices on their pages to not link directly to NSFW content).
The page itself is kind of messy to begin with, since I'm not sure if there really needs to be a divide between recurring tropes and ones that occur in just one or two strips, but the main thing that caught my attention was the links being on the page. Is this in need of cleanup?
open Red Riding Hood Replica (repeated issue)
Courtesy link: Red Riding Hood Replica
This first cropped up on ATT
just after the trope first went live.
A troper mistakenly thought I was edit warring when the RWBY entry was removed (by me), added by another troper and then removed by that troper after PM discussion between us.
The problem at the time was that the character (Ruby Rose) was listed under the sub-trope Little Red Fighting Hood, and this wiki typically does not trope something under the super-trope if the sub-trope fits. The reason she was re-added was in good faith — the page image caused confusion, leading to the belief that the entry should be listed on the page if the image is there.
At the time, I did open an image picking thread
to resolve the image confusion, but there really isn't a better image of RRHR to be found, so there wasn't much consensus. So, the image was retained, but the image quote does pothole to Little Red Fighting Hood in a note.
Unsurprisingly, a Ruby Rose entry was re-added to the page
two months after it was removed, and references the page image in the entry itself.
Now, I could ask for the entry to be removed. Again. But I think it is just going to get re-added again at a later date because the page image encourages it. Someone did suggest in the image picking thread that this could be handled by adding a commented-out note to the page warning people to not trope Ruby Rose there.
Can I go ahead and add a note to the page saying not to trope Ruby Rose there, and that it'll be removed if added?
Edited by WyldchyldopenWicks to a Main redirect as if it were a trope
Today, I discovered Main.Rebel Without A Cause. The page itself is actually just a redirect to the film Rebel Without a Cause. Since we don’t want Main redirect like this, I thought that I should clean out the wicks and cutlist the redirect.
However, looking through the Main.Rebel Without A Cause wicks, I discovered something really strange: most of the wicks used the redirect as if it were a trope page for some reason.
Do we have an actual trope like this? If not, then maybe the redirect could become an actual trope (although it would still have to be cut and launched through the TLP)?
openDo we have a cleanup thread for Auto Erotic Troping?
Self-explanatory title. I tried looking in both the long- and short-term forums, but couldn't find anything.
open Edit War, Justifying Edit, no Edit Reason
Troper Lucky-Seven-Leaf-Clover just did three offenses on Faux Action Girl: they Edit Warred, they inserted a Justifying Edit, and they deleted a large chunk of information with no Edit Reason.
- They added some Justified and Averted examples to the Sakura entry on Faux Action Girl, despite the entry already establishing that she is one, with quotes even taken from both the manga and Word of God himself stating that she is, and thus official sources were cited (as per "State the Source" in How to Write an Example). Also, the fact that they inserted a Justifying Edit to try and prove that Sakura's an Aversion with more bullets not only makes the entry too long, but it also shows character bias towards her, and I know for a fact that any bias of any kind is not allowed here. As a result, I deleted the troper's entries and explained myself.
- Unfortunately, they re-added their examples. Because they re-added their examples, that's an Edit War (Add -> Delete -> Re-add). In the same edit, they also deleted a large chunk of information from the Yu-Gi-Oh examples. This troper's edits on the page have no Edit Reason.
Here's their Edit History: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Lucky-Seven-Leaf-Clover
openIs This Allowed? Anime
The quote page for Neon Genesis Evangelion includes several quotes from influential figures such as Kurt Vonnegut and Jean-Paul Sartre. It seems to me that these quotes are here primarily to comment on the main themes and philosophies of Evangelion, but of course, the quotes do not directly mention Evangelion itself.
Please note that I only have basic knowledge of Evangelion, as I have not watched the anime. If these quotes are directly referenced within the anime, forgive me. But the quote page does not clarify this, so if this is indeed not the case, would this be breaking the rules?
openmercutiyo2003
Here are two of mercutiyo2003's edits.
A poorly done yamato nadeshiko, however, will turn out like an Extreme Doormat. They are silent and submissive without the inner strength of a true yamato nadeshiko. This is a common stereotype of East Asian women in Western fiction and is often referred to derisively as the China Doll
stereotype.
With some notable exceptions, yamato nadeshiko will be of medium height, willowy, modestly endowed, and good-looking without being too beautiful or too cute; they will have pale skin and long dark hair with full, straight bangs and sidelocks. They'll dress in feminine fashions: skirts, blouses, low-heeled shoes, lace, ribbons and simple hair ornaments. The other option is the impeccable ladylike style for adults. A kimono is likely to be worn by a nadeshiko brought up in the good old Kyoto style. Some may wear jewelry and make-up, but not too much. Their voices will often be as gentle, calm, and warm as melted butter. Large, rounded eyes are always a good bet. It is not unusual for geisha to be a yamato nadeshiko.
Sometimes, these ladies will also know self-defense, even if they would rather not fight if it can be avoided. This makes sense as many nadeshiko came from samurai clans and thus were trained in fighting, so they could defend their homes whenever the males were absent. If that's the case, they'll be very graceful and effective in the battlefield, and they're likely to be White Magician Girls or Barrier Warriors. If they're neither, they'll likely use polearms, lances (specifically naginata which daughters of samurai families were traditionally trained in and included in their dowry) or bow/arrows, and maybe even small tantou daggers that may be hidden in their clothes.
These characters pop up a lot in Magical Girlfriend series (usually as the one who will win the male lead's heart) and as the "Betty" in Betty and Veronica Love Triangles. They tend to be very sympathetic, but their passive, reactionary nature puts them in danger of becoming Satellite Characters for more "interesting" people, as well as a target of bashing from fans who prefer more active love interests such as Tsundere. Obviously, this trope is most popular in Japan.
to:
Sometimes a Nadeshiko would drop all subtlety and nuance and would be an Extreme Doormat. They are silent and submissive without the inner strength of a true yamato nadeshiko. This is a common stereotype of East Asian women in Western fiction and is often referred to derisively as the China Doll
stereotype, possibly because of the East’s restrictive standards.
With some notable exceptions, yamato nadeshiko will be of medium height, willowy, modestly endowed, and good-looking without being too beautiful or too cute (whatever that means); they will have pale skin and long dark hair with full, straight bangs and sidelocks. They're restricted to feminine fashions: skirts, blouses, low-heeled shoes, lace, ribbons and simple hair ornaments. The other option is the impeccable ladylike style for adults. A kimono is likely to be worn by a nadeshiko brought up in the good old Kyoto style. Some may wear jewelry and make-up, but not “too much” (again, whatever that means). Their voices will often be as gentle, calm, and saccharinely high. Large, rounded eyes are always a good bet. It is not unusual for geisha to be a yamato nadeshiko.
Sometimes, these ladies will also know self-defense, even if they would rather not fight if it can be avoided. This makes sense as many nadeshiko came from samurai clans and thus were trained in fighting, so they could defend their homes whenever the males were absent, because in Feudal Japan they were never expected to fight in other situations. If that's the case, they'll be very graceful and effective in the battlefield, and they're likely to be White Magician Girls or Barrier Warriors. If they're neither, they'll likely use polearms, lances (specifically naginata which daughters of samurai families were traditionally trained in and included in their dowry) or bow/arrows, and maybe even small tantou daggers that may be hidden in their clothes.
These characters pop up a lot in Magical Girlfriend series (usually as the one who will win the male lead's heart) and as the "Betty" in Betty and Veronica Love Triangles. They tend to be very sympathetic, but their passive, reactionary nature puts them in danger of becoming Satellite Characters for more interesting people, as well as a target of bashing from fans who prefer more active love interests such as Tsundere. Obviously, this trope is most popular in the East, where restrictive gender roles are the norm.
Speaking of that, these character types are usually more unpopular in Europe, Australia, and even America. In those countries this kind of gender role-where women might have a certain amount of power, but only in a domestic sphere-are considered passé. Though sometimes they get a pass since these characters are East Asian. It used to be because of racial stereotypes/the fact that all women were treated this way.
to this:
Thoughts? I'm a Japanese troper, and I sense something in their edits, though I don't know what is.
Edited by IukaSylvieopenUndermined By Reality misuse?
Trivia.Star Wars The Clone Wars
- Undermined By Reality: The slogan Clone Wars Saved, shown at the end of the 2018 SDCC trailer and used frequently afterwards, is undermined by the fact that the show only needed 'saving' because Disney itself unceremoniously canceled the series mid-production shortly after acquiring Star Wars.
Undermined By Reality Is when the Aesop/messages of the work is contradicted by the real life happenings of the creators. I don’t think an advertising campaign is an Aesop/message of the work and it looks like complaining when Disney is reversing what the entry is criticizing them for. Thoughts?
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenSelf edit-war?
I'm not sure whether to ask about this here or on the Scrappy cleanup thread, but I'm trying here because it's an odd behavior from a specific troper.
Basically, Brian KT removed Devon and Cornwall from The Scrappy entry on YMMV.Quest For Camelot saying "What about when they Took a Level in Badass at the end of the movie?" Then they re-added the example, before removing it again with the exact same edit reason.
openFar too much detail
Last year, we decided to remove the creepy, overly detailed examples about Krystal.
Well, when I noticed that they are still at VaporWear.Video Games and Chainmail Bikini, I checked the histories for these pages and for Super Smash Bros. - Assist Trophies and it turns out that no one ever did. And now Eagle70 has taken upon himself to make sure that they stay there. Note that Eagle
and the person who originally added these entries
have very different edit patterns, so they are very unlikely to be the same person.
In short, should those examples be deleted, be rewritten, or stay as they are?
Edited by ChytusopenDisagreement on Natter
obsidiandice has been removing references to individual chapters in Worm and its subpages out of the belief that it's natter, which I think doesn't track because they serve to contextualize when something happens and doesn't take the form of commentary on the work itself.
openIssue with HairDecorations on Characters.HopeOfTheShieldHero
So, on Characters.Hope Of The Shield Hero, Hair Decorations was removed by a troper doing cleanup (although to be fair that person didn't use an edit reason) and was added back by Allen Blaster and then the same trope/disambig was removed by another troper doing clean up and then Allen Blaster added it back again.
Granted he just changed it to Never Bare Headed a second after I posted this but he didnt rewrite the entry to fit that trope so it's technically still a ZCE but I dont want to edit it without feedback since I would be participating in an Edit war at this point.
The former Hair decs entry in question that now links to Never Bareheaded:
- Never Bareheaded: The two blue ribbons she uses to tie up her Girlish Pigtails.
EDIT: Also the same troper added back Lolicon on the same page after it was removed for not being a trope stating even if it isnt one it still belongs on the character page and that basically someone who hasnt read the fic has no right to remove it.
I guess he is taking these clean ups personally since he wrote the fic itself.
Edited by MacronNotesopenBan evader DisneyAnimefan95 back again
I'm quite certain that persistent ban evader Disney Animefan 95 who has been bounced several times before, including just last week
, is back once again as ThePhantomPimpernel78
. They reinstated several edits that the previously bounced account COkamaAnime85
did, and the account itself popped up shortly after C Okama Anime 85 was bounced.

This thread in particular : It's'a Wario Time!
The last post was thumped. Having read that post before it was thumped, I understand why it was thumped. I'm not disputing that. However the thread itself seems to be valid, it's about the Wario series, and as far as I know you are allowed to have general videogame series threads in the videogame subforum. I don't see why the thread needed to be locked. Again I am not contesting the thumping of the last post.
Edit: On the advice of Kevjro 7 I took it to the appeal to the dicussions about moderation
thread.
Edited by jjjj2