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openWMG Entry regarding women
I was browsing the WMG page for Mobile Suit Gundam 00 and saw this
Spelling errors aside, does this read to anyone else that whoever added this is uh....projecting somewhat? It does read like an attack driven from personal bias. Then again, I'm autistic, maybe it's just me being sensitive. I apologize if this is a waste of time.
openWhere do I go for help? Western Animation
Rainbow Phoenix is certain that The Simpsons S8 E15: "Homer's Phobia" was an N-Word Privileges-focused episode, and was arguing with me and trying to instigate an edit war which I refused to take part in.
Yes, they have a point since there is a subtle difference when certain people make jokes about subject and how audiences react to it, and odds are, a writer probably had this in mind. However, this isn't enough to make a fuss about who's right when describing it on a page which is being viewed by the public.
I pointed out, since I am pan, so I would be hypothetically be able to make jokes with lesser backlash if I ever got to be a creator of any work, but fighting with people because they think they're 100% right is so not ethical. That's what this user has been trying to do to me.
Now, this episode did cause a Mexicans Love Speedy Gonzales so this should speak for itself, and most of these viewers don't even know who the writer is, let alone would be aware of their sexual orientation.
Where do I discuss this problem? I hate resorting to Ask The Tropers but the cleanup thread hasn't been used in a very long time.
resolved Removal of references to autism and Aspergers
Hi folks. Recently I've noticed that Trial Purple Cube has been going through tropes and removing any examples that pertain to autism or Aspergers, claiming it's "cleaning up word cruft." I agree that some of the entries could stand to be looked at, but these are entire deletions without reason (including an entry that discusses Dr. Asperger himself).
I've sent several notifiers, and normally would just revert and move on, but this is a hot button issue so wanted to get community consensus first. It seems to be a Single-Issue Wonk for this user as well, as it makes up all but two entries of their six-month account history.
Edited by FaelwynopenMisblamed (Charlie Kirk)
In regards to this entry for South Park S27E2 "Got a Nut"
- Mis-blamed: Following Charlie Kirk's assassination that occurred a month after this episode's release, die-hard fans of Kirk have blamed Matt and Trey for supposedly inciting his death despite the episode never once advocating even a hint of violence against Kirk himself in spite of all their mockery of him.
Now, it was put back in
after initially being removed since, unlike Harsher in Hindsight, Misblamed isn't on No Recent Examples, Please!. That's not what I take issue with. My issue is if this is actually valid usage of the trope at all. From what I gathered, Mis-blamed is specifically for creators being blamed about something for the work itself. Not for being blamed for real life events.
resolved Edit war on the Tear Jerker Kirby and the Forgotten Land page Videogame
Troper Back Set 1 added this entry
to the game's Tear Jerker page on April 11th, 2022:
When Elfilin is kidnapped, he actually calls out Kirby's name (or rather, his Japanese name).
On May 5th, 2022, I altered it to not only correct a grammatical error but also removed the part in brackets - listed above in italics - with the edit summary: "It's literally just the name "Kirby" pronounced as you would in Japanese. It's still Kirby at the end of the day, through and through." The only reason it's said like you would say it in Japanese is because Elfilin's voice actress is Japanese herself and the game was developed in Japan.
And then on March 19th, 2023, BackSet1 edit warred by readding the exact previously removed information in a different form
with the summary: "Just kind of felt this was worth noting."
Personally, I'm in favour of altering the "calls out his name in Japanese" bit to what I did back in May 2022, not only for the reasons I specified over three years ago, but also because Kirby's name is the exact same in Japanese as it is in English. The only differences are how it's often pronounced in Japanese and how it's often written in Japanese. But since I already removed said information the first time it came up, if I were to do it again, I myself would also be in edit war territory and could risk a suspension. As for notifiers, I couldn't find a single one that best fits the situation so I decided to bring up the issue here. Other than that, any advice as to what should be done here?
P.S. As for why I'm only now reporting this over two years later...I just noticed it today and, after noticing it, thought I should bring some attention to this sooner rather than later.
openTypepad shutting down; how to set up a project to deal with typepad links?
Typepad, a blogging service, is shutting down in a month. https://everything.typepad.com/blog/2025/08/typepad-is-shutting-down.html
I searched for 'typepad' and found that 42 pages seem to have Typepad links, which are going to all go dead in a month. So those links need to be archived or some such so we can maintain access to the content. But I don't have the time to do it all myself.
How do I go about setting up a project on the forums for this? Is there a 'dealing with external links' projects or page that I should post on?
openUser with issues with drama importation and grammar
So this is discussing about Pc 98 Fan, who in spite of their username, is actually more involved with Forsaken (Roblox) rather than the PC-98. Unfortunately, when it comes to the game itself, that has attracted quite the attention due to the actions of its creator Souldrivenlove, who due to the massive amounting controversies, had to transfer ownership of the game to others. And when it comes to discussing it, Pc98Fan seems to be obsessed with discussing everything about it, and I mean everything- including the drama. While a stern warning from both YMMV and the Memes pages to not import drama seems to be enough, the Trivia page seems to be an exception, albeit because it's mostly discussing the real life actions. Even then, it's riddled with errors. Here's one example of the page that was mostly edited by them, since they have done so many edits to the page:
- Role-Ending Misdemeanor:
- Soul himself heavily felt into this after being exposed by big Youtubers like Parlo and Ruben Sim, eventually resulting in him making two documents going over his past controversies in order to make himself clear. Thankfully, he was able to spin everything around by the end, resulting in his reputation getting cleaned up for the most part and many apologizing to him. Eventually the controversies were too damning for Soul to continue working on the game, resulting in the ownership of the game being transferred to Hytoko and Basil on May.
Already I can see multiple issues, such as the usage of the Overshadowed by Controversy even though it hasn't been a year since the controversy passed (and it's still ongoing today), several grammar issues, etc. I feel like discussing some part of the drama if affects development is ok, but discussing every single part of it is what grinds my absolute gears. Something should be done about this.
openMetroid Prime 4 edit war
It really hurts me to write this query, because the involved troper is a good contributor, but unfortunately coming here is the only resort I have.
On YMMV.Metroid Prime 4 Beyond, QU 4 DR 4 X 15 had written a flawed Tainted by the Preview entry, which had issues like self-contradictory sentences and focus on knee-jerk reactions from a Vocal Minority. I removed the example on those grounds, but they added it back with a different wording that, if anything, amplified the aforementioned issues. The edit reason also comes off as needlessly defiant.
At the very least, they should have brought this up on any venue, but I can't seem to find any thread or discussion board where they did.
openAbsurdly gushy self-promotion creator page
Was alerted to this by a misplaced Content Policy thread.
Dark Flame Wolf seems to have been made by the fanfic writer and game modder it's about, and it's a mess.
I'm going to go ahead and cut the YMMV page since the only example is misuse, but what about the rest?
Edited by StarSwordresolved Urbenmyth and ArtisticLicenseTraditionalChristianity
Urbenmyth seems to have take it upon themself to make unilateral, large-scale edits to
Artistic License – Traditional Christianity, before making a discussion post
to complain about the trope, and then cutlisting the trope page entirely without any kind of permission
.
openRegarding the page for Every Frame A Pause
I brought this up on both the Critical Drinker
and Real Life People
cleanup threads, though I couldn't find a topic page about whether or not something is tropable.
The page for Podcast.Every Frame A Pause has a lot of issues and I'm not sure if the podcast itself is tropable. Ignoring the misused tropes I brought up on the latter cleanup thread, the podcast doesn't seem to have a narrative, the hosts aren't playing fictionalized or exaggerated versions of themselves, and the page itself is mostly troping the hosts' opinions and reactions to things.
I don't have any opinion on Every Frame A Pause beyond that its the infamous "the guys who held a 12 hour reaction stream because Jenny Nicholson hated Joker", so any input would be appreciated.
Edited by SkylaNoivernresolved ROCEJ violations?
Brendan Rizzo
's edits sometime veer into ROCEJ territory.
- Accentuate the Negative: Since RationalWiki is aimed at refuting pseudoscience and fallacious argumentation, and promoting skepticism, the site naturally has a bit of a cynical streak, to emphasize how much society gives such bigots and frauds undeserved respect. This naturally extends to politics, such that every country in the world is made out to be an awful place. Japan is particularly notable here. Yes, like all countries, it certainly suffers from systemic problems that neither the government nor its people are willing to acknowledge, but to hear the wiki tell it, the country is run entirely by bigoted authoritarian nationalists like Saudi Arabia or Russia.
- Have a Gay Old Time: If 4chan or Encyclopaedia Dramatica or any other troll site innovates an offensive slang term, or an innocuous word is used sexually in obscure Internet erotica and never in real life, add the example. Clearly, the original definitions have gone the way of the dodo.
- And That's Terrible: Useful Charts’s video on the family tree of the Roman kings has the host interrupt his summary of the Rape of Lucretia by saying that, despite Lucretia supposedly being the most virtuous of women, her killing herself specifically so that no woman to come after her can excuse their own promiscuity, even if she is raped, proves that this assessment is undeserved. Basically, he calls her a karen without ever using the word. This is rather strange, considering that most people don’t need it pointed out to them that ancient peoples were not as morally advanced in certain areas, and despite the series covering other ancient societies which were just as bad if not worse by modern standards without moralizing about it.
Most notably, the last one was brought up in the ROCEJ cleanup thread (which called for it to be removed), and it had the edit reason "Please don’t misunderstand me for one of those anti-SJW idiots. This sort of thing gives us moderns a bad name". I sent multiple ROCEJ notifiers a couple of months ago, which they haven't responded.
Yesterday, they added another quote that sounds rather inflammatory to Quotes.JustEatGilligan:
So...yeah.
Edited by UFOYeahopen2 Strange discussion posts on Kingdom of Heaven
Chet120 did something weird on Kingdom of Heaven 's page. (EDIT: Its Discussion page)
For context: this is a film set in Jerusalem during the Crusades. It was also controversial at the time it came out, because it portrays the Muslims mostly as good guys and the Christians, except for the main character, as bad(der) guys; and this came out relatively soon after 9-11.
Chet 120's first post was an insanely long list of what they claim is history. Their 2nd post is even more bizarre, and seems to consist of conspiracy theories, and to be politics-based. Also to maybe attract visitors to his website? (because he also states his, I assume Real-Life, name).
None of this has anything to do with the movie itself, or tropes. The user also is quite new, and has made 0 edits of the Wiki.
I sent them a PM, but it seemed serious enough to also mention here.
Edited by LB7979resolved Just here to troll
Oscar Baiter only seems to be here just to make unproductive edits, as their edit history
shows them making unilateral edits to only a few pages thus far, almost to the point where they blanked the pages.
I don't want to revert the pages myself, as I don't want to start an edit war.
Edited by YuriHaru567resolved Is "needlessly vindicitive" a proper edit reason for removal? Videogame
Black Yakuzu 94 removed several entries from the one of the recap pages
for Fate/Grand Order, claiming to be "removing needlessly vindicitive comments". Their removal of certain tropes from the YMMV page for that recap page but without an edit reason prompts to ask if that is a legitimate reasoning, if the entries were actually that, or if this was a case of agenda based editing.
Removals from the main page:
- Asshole Victim: Even before Morgan's backstory was revealed, the majority of Faeries that the protagonist encounters outside their closest allies are jerks, backstabbers, manipulators, pretenders, violent murderers and worse. And then there's Morgan's backstory which is just an endless cycle of her being betrayed by the very Faeries she's trying to save. It makes her harsh oppression of them as the Queen almost justifiable.
- Kick The Son Of A Bitch: Oberon Vortigern is the final boss and the eventual Arc Villain, and he intends to destroy all of Proper Human History after escaping the Lostbelt alongside killing off Chaldea to keep them from stopping him. Definitely not a good guy in the slightest. But... when he actually accelerated the destruction of the ungrateful Faerie races? And that he boasts that at least he succeeded in destroying Fairy Britain? Well, seeing just how horrific they are, it can be tempting to pat Oberon Vortigern's shoulders and tell him 'job well done'. Same with Cernunnos' reawakening and then giving Oberon Vortigern what he needed to start his plan.
- World of Jerkass: While other Lostbelts are very much definition of Crapsack World, they were inhabited with complicated beings who are capable of both good and bad. This Lostbelt is notorious for having a majority of its inhabitants being selfish, backstabbing, greedy, lazy, ungrateful, manipulative assholes, while decent faeries can be counted with two hands at most and those tend to be met with horrific ends at the hands of the asshole ones. It was these inherent self-destructive tendencies 'in the name of fun' that led the world to ruin (with Morgan adopting tyranny to put up any semblance of order, and even that was only temporary until she was ousted and betrayed). The EX Difference Depth classification of the Lostbelt isn't just for show.
Altered on the main page (Bold portion was removed)
- Downer Ending: While previous Lostbelts all end in a bittersweet note, this one's ending is really bleak. The entirety of the Faerie British Isle is torn to pieces by the Calamities, with the only three characters surviving it until the world's end being Melusine Albion, who is just barely holding herself together, Oberon Vortigern, who is stuck inside the Insect of the Abyss so that it can't escape outside, and Aurora, who is slowly dying anyway. Furthermore, Chaldea's secondary mission to retrieve Rhongomyniad ends up failing as the lances were all used to try to kill Cernunnos and they were unable to save anyone from the Lostworld. Sion also hints in the ending that Chaldea's good luck streak of conquering Lostbelts without casualties is about to end. The only good that came out of it is stopping the world from being destroyed and they were able to get an alternate tool, a physical version of Excalibur, to defeat the Foreign God. There’s also the silver lining that all the malignant Faeries deserved what they got for being such assholes of the highest order and put everyone, including the world itself, through hell for their selfishness and fickle nature.
- Mercy Kill: What the heroes have to end up doing to the few good fairies who really didn't deserve to die
Removed from the YMMV page
- Catharsis Factor: Unlike the first five Lostbelts, the players will probably be very happy to see Cosmos Denial after completing the chapter considering how awful the fae are.
openUsers keep ignoring NREP rule regarding Harsher in Hindsight
A few days ago, a major controversy regarding the firing of a voice actor from SMG4 has resulted in some users putting an Harsher in Hindsight entry on this page.
On Feb 28th 2024 at 10:33:12 AM
, Luigi Kart DS added the following edit:
- There's a moment in "SMG4 Are You Okay?" where SMG4 enslaves a bunch of Toads to make content for him, and is cancelled when SMG3 exposes him. A year later, Glitch Productions found itself in hot water when numerous former employees spoke out about the work environment
.
Later that same day
, I removed it after consulting with the hindsight cleanup thread, because it was agreed that the controversy is still ongoing.
On Feb 28th 2024 at 11:22:49 PM
, Tropers/yoko6969 added a similar entry:
- One of the scene from "[1]" includes SMG 4 manipulating Toads to make videos, while SMG 3 is recording an "SMG 4 Exposed" video. Replace SMG 4 with Kevin, and we can get the main problem of Glitch Productions which is mismanagement from the CEO himself
.
Further edits were simply format fixes and did not remove the entry.
On Feb 29th 2024 at 3:10:49 PM
, I also removed that entry as well, citing that the event is still ongoing and thus an entry is not needed right now.
Later that same day
, Electric Logan also added an entry towards the ongoing controversy:
- One of the 2020 Collab skits had Boopkins be beaten up after his awful singing. That ends up being justified after his voice actor, Kevin, would be ousted for mistreating former employees, specifically animators, of Glitch Productions.
(To be clear, SMG 4 was not part of the allegations & is safe)
Needless to say, I think we should reprimand the users over here who keep adding entries towards an ongoing event while also ignoring the No Recent Examples, Please! rule and probably lock the page for good measure, since it's beginning to attract negative attention.
Edited by Siegfried1337openRWBY Edit War (again)
Okay, we've had on the Team RWBY character page a discussion here
about whether Blake is Bi The Way or Ambiguously Bi (or some other trope). Some people think she's in love with Yang and some people think it's just two girls who have a very close platonic relationship. Yes, it's a shipping war.
The original Edit War appeared to be solved when Zaptech told the warring parties to go to the discussion page and (at the same time) I took the edit war to the Is This an Example? thread. A weak consensus appeared to form that Bi The Way should be used, so that's what I put on the character page. That immediately caused ructions and led to edits that I flagged in ATT here
.
At the time, the Bi The Way decision had been based on inaccurate information but I didn't know that at time, which is why there were ructions over the Bi The Way decision. Given that information, it seemed fair for the discussion to continue on the character discussion page. I'm not a shipper, I don't care what trope they decide to use, I'm just trying to stop the Edit War over it. So, I suggested that, if they can't agree on whether Blake's bisexuality is confirmed or not, they should just settle for Ambiguously Bi as a compromise.
uni_sonic
has added that trope to the character page on the grounds that it's a compromise, but no-one has actually agreed with my suggestion so there's no current consensus for it. ZhaneX24
has reverted uni_sonic's changes on those grounds. Which means that we're back to an Edit War.
The shippers clearly can't decide this. A neutral troper like myself clearly isn't helping either. Please can a moderator enter this discussion
and help the fandom reach a decision?
openKing Zeal on "Queerbaiting" YKTTW
Courtesy Link: here
There was a conversation / debate on the draft about the term "queer" and before Shimaspawn stepped in saying that it's a pre-existing term, King Zeal started to step over the line with the rhetorical / snide question "If the people self-identifying themselves as queer are wrong, and the people who lovingly accept them as queer are wrong, and the original dictionary term is vague, what authority are you deferring to define the term?" as though gay men (such as myself) cannot comprehend this term that describes gay people
or that I contrast with the "people who lovingly accept them." In our history over on this ATT thread,
we were told to stop sniping each other, and I would rather not get in trouble for responding to his comment. I didn't say anything until now because I hadn't seen the comment. I knew the discussion was getting heated and I stepped away and just had no motivation to look at the draft until now.
His most recent comment, which posted today (well after Shimaspawn's stepping in), King Zeal continued the topic of what "queer" means, and I don't think he's letting it go.
At the risk of being repetitive: I don't want to directly engage with this definition "debate" and I think a mod coming in to the draft to calm the waters could possibly help keep the discussion on track for the trope, rather than the definition of "queer."
Edited by WaterBlapopenUnintentionally Unsympathetic example?
From YMMV.Super 8:
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: The alien. We're instructed by the script to feel sorry for the way it was treated by the military and root for it to return home, just like E.T., even when it starts lashing out and killing several people who had absolutely nothing to do with its mistreatment and posed no threat to it, very much unlike E.T. That it's intelligent enough for the kids to reason with suggests it didn't kill innocent people due to panicked self-preservation, but out of revenge, which makes the ending seem like a miscarriage of justice to many viewers, instead of the "D'aww!" moment it was meant to be.
- However it's possible the creature while intelligent could've simply been blinded by the rage of being trapped and tortured for so long after simply wishing to go home. It doesn't excuse Cooper's actions but it does further show how monstrous the torture process it went through was.
I've cut the last part for violating Repair, Don't Respond, but should I completely cut the example is the context behind it is contested? I'd bring this to the Unintentionally Unsympathetic Cleanup
but they still haven't replied to my last inquiry.

This is a follow-up to another ATT
alerting of a nattery edit in YMMV.The 100 Girlfriends Who Really Really Really Really Really Love You because today I noticed the example is being edit warred.
I've sent them a notifier, but what else should be done? I'd also like to reach a conclusion on if Rentarou Aijou counts as a Vanilla Protagonist in the first place.
Edited by animuacid