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openNo Title Western Animation
Can I get some help expanding this article I made?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/PhineasAndFerbTheAdventuresOfBeatriceFlynnTheRobotGirl
I'd do it myself. But I generally have a bit to do on my plate, so I don't really have the time to do it. Also, I'm generally bad at trying to figure out how to link tropes together. Seriously, I only recently relearned how to set up folders.
Please help.
resolved How to make a redirect page. Western Animation
I want to make a Nightmare Fuel redirection for OPAL, so it redirects to the Nightmare fuel page for Jack Stauber. All the examples regarding Opal are already on the Jack Stauber page, and there's no existing page on Nightmare Fuel for Opal by itself.
openDo memes go on YMMV page if they existed before movie release? Western Animation
An entry on Pixar's Elemental was removed, with the edit reason being that the meme existed before the work was released.
But the majority of the memes on the YMMV page, such as the movie's predictability and a fan-animated video being mistaken for an actual movie leak, also existed before release?
Can I add this back?
EDIT: forgot to mention the entry and link the edit history page.
- "Excuse me! He said no pickles!"Explanation It's become a popular joke to have Ember say that Wade asked for no pickles on his burger, because their Masculine Girl, Feminine Boy dynamic would have prevented Wade to bring up the issue, himself.
openAdding Broken Base to YMMV Sonic Prime Page? Western Animation
So, since Sonic Prime had just wrapped up, is it time to make a Broken Base section for the YMMV page? Some of the suggestions for the Broken Base section are:
1) The characterization of Sonic himself has caused a split in the fanbase. Some fans find Sonic being characterized as being too immature found it to be completely alienated from his more laid back yet sensible portrayal in the games. Other fans however, think that having Sonic have more flaws in this version makes him more interesting as a character.
2) The canon of this series has also been divided in the fandom as some fans questioned about when this series exactly took place in the game canon and why does Sonic act way more differently in this series in comparison to how he was portrayed in Sonic Frontiers?
Edited by Rabbitearsblogopen What constitutes an Ass Pull? Western Animation
Essentially, I was thinking of adding the trope in Hazbin Hotel in regards to the whole 'angels can only be hurt by angelic steel'.
Not in the concept itself but the fact that no demon in the 1000 years the exterminations happened had never figured it out, that no demons ever thought to try this.
And the fact that Vaggie would not know this, despite having being maimed by angelic steel.
Would this constitute an Ass Pull or is there another trope that would fit this?
openQuestion about page clean up? Western Animation
I'd like to ask where I would go to post a request for a page or pages to be cleaned up? The pages related to Western Animation/Chaotic and it's subages need some serious adjustments as its still from the very earliest stages of TV Tropes, including stuff like "This Troper" and stuff like that.
I have no idea how to do it myself, so I'd like to leave it in the hands of people who can do it better
openShould the "Giant's Dream" have spoiler tags? Western Animation
A recent ATT thread
discussed The Iron Giant which had been made "spoilers off" 2 years ago and the consensus was that should be "spoilers on" again.
There's a little debate over what story details should be spoiler tagged. The obvious consensus was the nuclear strike on Rockwell and the Giant's sacrifice to save it as well as the reveal that the Giant survived and was re-assembling itself in Iceland.
However, there's some contention about whether the contents of the "Giant's Dream" should be tagged as well. As a quick recap, after the encounter with the hunters, deer and rifle, the Giant has a dream that night that reveals glimpses about his origin... that he was created to be one of an army of robots who were designed to be a planetary invasion force and had the firepower to physically tear a planet apart.
The dream sequence was cut because of financial constraints due to WB Animation shutting down their animation department even as the production team was frantically trying to get The Iron Giant finished.
It was never included in the theatrical release nor in the early waves of dvds & bluray releases. It wasn't until the 2015 "Signature Edition" that the scene was completed and restored into the film.
As such, for a majority of readers who aren't big Iron Giant fans then this is a plot point that is not widely known and, in my opinion, worthy of spoiler tags.
If the majority of viewers aren't aware of the Giant's sacrifice at the end such that it warrants spoiler tags, then they surely aren't going to know about the Giant's Dream and I feel it deserves the same consideration.
Edited by rva98014open Trim the fat. Western Animation
I want to add two characters to The Simpsons Nelson I’ve done but it comes across as bloated
Nelson is presented as someone who grew beyond his initial characterization of a Barbaric Bully by being provided some Hidden Depths. In many ways he comes across as a Distaff Counterpart to Lisa. However it is when analyze his relationship with Bart that his trope comes into play. Nelson is shown to be given numerous advantages with people going out of their way to help him. you are supposed to feel sorry for him when he suffers the consequences of his actions but he never really shows remorse or even acknowledges that he did anything wrong. all in all his life is used more as Jerk Justifications then a legitimate Freudian Excuse.
- As stated above he he took advantage of Marge letting him into her home by to bully Bart, and even after Bart found his father and reunited his family he refused to stop doing it. When they became friends in "The Haw-Hawed Couple" it is treated as a allegory for a toxic relationship with Nelson checking all of the boxes of an abuser, but despite this Bart is treated as a Fair-Weather Friend instead of a victim . this also ignored the fact that that they only became friends because Bart was the only one who came to his party (he was forced) after he stole everyone’s money.
- Better Off Ned finally deconstructs Homer’s habit of using Operation: Jealousy on his son. It shows just how cruel this to the child Homer uses, but still plays it completely straight with Bart who Nelson tried to Murder the Hypotenuse. The episode ends with Nelson having shoved Milhouse into a freezer despite Ned mentoring him. Finally, Nelson’s response to being punished for breaking Bart’s arm in Top Goon was to go Then Let Me Be Evil and join the mafia
All I have for principle skinner is a basic and I can’t figure out how to start it. First is his relationship with bart you are supposed to feel sorry for him because bart is his worst nightmare. However Springfield elementary is repeatedly shown to be the worst school in city. In fact whenever bart and lisa are taken out of the school or even their respective classes because they are actually being taught his grades rise and her’s lowers. Then there is the fact that because he’s a Dean Bitterman he’s always actively scheming for ways to make the school worse then it already by cutting its already abysmal budget. Finally his relationship with bart just comes across as creepy. Skinner never shows the same obsession with other kids that he does with bart. Stalking him when he thinks he's cutting school, putting a student on his payroll in Bart's gang as a mole and setting up stings to get Bart in trouble so he'll commit detention-worthy crimes.
This same thing applies with his relationship with Superintendent Chalmers who repeatedly belittles and yells at him. however as stated Skinner is incompetent at his job while skinner finally standing up to him in "Bart Stops to Smell the Roosevelts" is supposed to be a Catharsis Factor its undercut by Chalmers actually teaching bart.
After several seasons of watching Principal Skinner be belittled and yelled at by Superintendent Chalmers for not being able to contain Bart Simpson's rampages, it can be extremely gratifying to see Principal Skinner finally stand up to him for a change in, telling Chalmers that he should just teach Bart himself if he thinks it's such an easy job. Chalmers' shocked reaction and the teachers outright cheering for Skinner make it even better.
What really makes him this is Edna you are supposed to feel sorry for him because she doesn’t want to get back together with him. however in "Special Edna" he’s shown to be incredibly abusive. It’s insinuated that him constantly canceling dates with her to spend time with his mother is due to the belief that she can’t do better. he only started making an effort in their relationship after she was nominated for "Teacher of the Year" before outright sabotaging her. despite this she accepts his his marriage proposal. When he gets cold feet in But in "My Big Fat Geek Wedding" she breaks up with him seeing that his proposal was just another escalation of his abusive behavior. Afterwards he keeps pestering her to get back together and the first thing he did upon finding out that her and Ned were together was to brag that he had slept with her.
Finally you can’t even feel sorry for him because of how overbearing agnis is as he was the one who chose her over edna.
All in all skinner comes across as a Insufferable Imbecile then someone who the audience is supposed to sympathise with.
resolved Trivia relevancy on Voltron: Legendary Defender Western Animation
Hello,
I was doing a Wiki Walk and i found this trivia about Voltron: Legendary Defender:
-"The Klance (Keith/Lance) fanfiction "Dirty Laundry" had the second most kudos of all fanfiction on Archive of Our Own. (It is second only to a Groot parody fic.)"
I was wondering about the relevancy of this information and if it should be removed since it's not really about the show itself and seem oddly specific to me.
What are your thoughts on this?
openSouth park episode Western Animation
Okay, it's me again, the problem is still my memory. I was asking myself what was that episode of South Park in which I remember there was a character with the aspect of a kinda freak or disabled, a kid-character which seems a loser, but with an amazing deep voice (at least in the dubbed italian version), who in the end of the episode performs a very good speech. The character only appears in this episode. I think it's an old episode.
The character I'm talking about is not Jimmy.
The episode is not "Freak Strike".
Please, can someone help me to recollect?
open New Tropes Western Animation
Can you guys add these new Tropes that I invented?
- 1: "Unnamed Short Tempered Trope" It's Like "Hair-Trigger Temper" but downplayed and "Fiery Redhead" but for all types of characters with different types of hair colors.
- 2: "Question Not Answered" I know, Pretty cool name, It's self-explanatory and Nickelodeon is notorious for using this cliché in their sitcoms.
- 3: "Doesn't Say Sorry" It's basically when a character doesn't say sorry for their Jerkass behaviour say: "Bob scolds Alice for focusing more on school than her job after a fight Alice apologizes but Bob Doesn't apologizes for not leting her do her school duty." Double Subverted In The "We Baby Bears" Episode "Triple T Tigers" Where Near The Ending TK Apologizes for his bossy nature toward his brothers but is interrupted by the bears.
- 4: "Oblivious Twist" (You can change the name, don't worry about it.) It's basically a plot twist where... let's say "Alice is jealous of Bob doing killer skateboard tricks that he learned from a book only to do one more and the skateboard snaps in half which causes Alice to laugh in his face and revales that it was all a plan to get revenge at Bob for making lasagna instead of meatloaf with him knowing that if she eats lasagna it gives her acid reflux. Example: "ALVINNN!!! and The Chipmunks" Episode "Simon the Superb" Simon wants Alvin to give him his book but turns out the book was part of a plan to trick Alvin.
- 5: "Big "HEY!"" And "Big "DO IT!"" Come on, Why not?
- 6: And Finally "Common Sense Isn't Allowed" It's "Forgot About His Powers" But it's not power related let me put a scenario for you: "Bob and Alice can drink water safely but Bridgette (A Fire Girl) can't so Bob and Alice accuse Bridgette of being an evil creature that is poisonous to water but they forgot and Bridgette doesn't say that she can't drink water. (because of plot reasons.)
And that's all the tropes i want you to add so please mods add them thank you and ciao for now.
Edited by BlimperBraveopenBiting the Hand Humor split Western Animation
BitingTheHandHumor.Fox Animated Shows is split off from BitingTheHandHumor.Western Animation due to length. However, some of the shows listed, like Animaniacs and Futurama, underwent a Channel Hop and have examples pertaining to those other networks or streamers.
Would such examples be listed on the Fox page despite not being targeted towards Fox anymore, or would they be listed on the main Western Animation page? So far the Animaniacs examples have been split between the pages (I think I did that myself?) but going forward I want to double check to avoid duplication.
open Disney Animated Canon rename? Western Animation
I’m wondering if we should rename “Disney Animated Canon” to “Disney Animated Classics”, since that’s what it’s referred to in the page image itself (and the term “canon” doesn’t appear to be universally used; Wikipedia doesn’t use it).
open Ghetto: Where does its use (as in Animation Age Ghetto, etc.) to refer to media stigmas originate? Western Animation
Apologies if this is in the wrong place; I'm not a regular user here, and the Trope Talk forum doesn't want to let me make a new topic in it for some reason. :( Stuck this question in Western Animation simply because the Animation Age Ghetto is the most widespread version of this trope to my knowledge.
So this has been a tricky one for me. I've been trying to search up the exact origin of when exactly "ghetto" used to refer specifically to media, entertainment, fiction etc. was first used.
The most well-known and oft-used definition of the word "ghetto" by your average person is, of course, to refer to an impoverished physical community consisting of members of the same minority group. It's often slung around these days as a snide derogatory slur toward black people and/or the poor, though the term originated in reference to a Jewish community within a city (the word did not gain overtones of "inferiority" or "low class" until WWII, if my information is correct).
Where in the world did this word make the jump from "poor minority neighborhood" to "media relegated to niche audiences because of a culturally ingrained perceived lack of maturity, value or mass appeal"?
I can see where someone might make the correlation, but I'm a little baffled as to when it started picking up. All of the sources I search for just point me back to TV Tropes, but only to the trope pages in their current form—I can't find a trope naming discussion for the life of me. There is the occasional conversation clarifying usage of tropes including "ghetto" in this site's archives, but nothing I can find on the origin of this usage of the term itself.
The earliest usage I can seem to find that uses "ghetto" in reference to any sort of media specifically is Kaz Hirai talking about the PSP in 2005 during a conference: "Some have said that the PSP is our answer to the (Nintendo) Game Boy. Well, here’s how we view the world: PSP will elevate portable entertainment out of the handheld gaming ghetto and Sony is the only company that can do it. We happily accept this challenge and, dare I say it, the baton has been passed."
Is this where the word "ghetto" as used to describe mediums and genres in the Ghetto Index got its start? Would it be accurate to say that Hirai coined this usage of the term, or was it established earlier? Or is Hirai's usage of the term irrelevant, and TV Tropes users either got the usage from elsewhere, or came up with this usage of the word "ghetto" on their own?
Help would be appreciated, thank you!
Edited by satchelkopenWhere would this scene fit? Western Animation
In an episode The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron, Boy Genius, Jimmy asks Goddard to use x-ray on Cindy's clothes when she's accused of stealing one of Sheen's Ultra Lord figures, prompting Carl to avert his gaze, Sheen to look on in excitement, and Cindy herself to furiously slap Jimmy across in the face at that suggestion.
Would that fit into Pervert Revenge Mode (even though the x-raying didn't actually happen), Power Perversion Potential, or somewhere else?
resolved recap page not being made Western Animation
I've been working on making recap pages for episodes of The Emperor's New School. However, when I make one for The Emperors New School S 1 E 20 The Yzma The Stole Kuzcoween Monster Masquerade, it doesn't appear even after I hit save. the link becomes blue on the recap home, but the page itself says the article doesn't exist. Anybody else having this problem?
open Kid's show about two twin girls and their robot dog Western Animation
Hello~ I wanted to know what was the bame of that show I've watched when I was 5 years old~ I remember it was from around 1990's or from the early 2000's... This show was Canadian if I remember and it was about two twin women with blonde hair and red dressses, they we're pretty glamorous and would travel all around the world (mostly with an air plane) if I remember right the had a male companion not sure if he was 20 years old or an old man, I don't remember right, but a big hint here is that those girls we're based of off real celebrities, two Canadian twins and the show itself started the intro with the real actresses getting inside an air plane , and then, they transformed into cartoon girls. I remember they had a Scootish dog type that was a robot and would do lots of things and also talk. The girls we're drawn quite realistic not like Johnny Test, Gravity Falls, Princess Star or any other modern western cartoons, this was more detailed and the animation was pretty good~... I even remember one episode where the girls got scared of how popular robot dogs became, that all the children had abandoned their pets to buy robot puppied and I remember the girls to be quite upset, and they dealed with a golden retriever (If I remember right) to find his home and convince the owner to get rid of the robot dog and take care of him instead~... I remember that this episode quite weirded me out since the girls themselves owned a robot dog~.. anyway, I hope you people do remember this show because I really want to know the name of it~♪

I've been on twitter and a couple of John Kricfalusi fanboys (spumdonor and eatmyspum) have been throwing around the expression "writer cartoon".
In a surface level, it seems to refer to animated series that let their dialogue to do all the work when it comes to the comedy whereas the animation take a back seat. These two (and supposedly Kricfalusi himself) hate these kinds of cartoons because they don't take enough advantage of things like going off model or smear frames. Instead,"writer cartoons" rely on pop culture references, puns, Catskill humor, parodies and other things that "kill" the comedy.
Writer cartoons include "Animaniacs", "Tiny Toon Adventures", and I guess everything made by Tom Ruegger.
EDIT: Accourding to "Cartoon Aesthetics" (actually spumdonor's YT account), a writer cartoon is a "cartoon not written by cartoonists".
Edited by Numbuh1507