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openX-Men '97: MCU or not? Western Animation
So......time to go back to that annoying question once again: Do we put X-Men '97 back in the Multiverse Saga timeline on the franchise page?
For: It's made by Marvel Studios. It's included on the timeline and section on Disney+ as an official part of the MCU. A variant of TAS/97 Storm will be featured on an episode of What If season 3.
Against: Beau DeMayo went on record to state '97 isn't a part of the MCU.
My take: Studios tend to have the final say, and creators can sometimes be full of crap. James Gunn was adamant that Daredevil and the Netflix shows weren't canon. Soooo... welp on that one. There's also the fact that DeMayo was fired for being a giant dick and sex pest, so Marvel/Disney don't really want to ride on his word as the Word of God - going so far as even striking him from the credits going forward. The creator himself said nay, but there's seemingly more weight to the yay.
resolved About Mickey Mouse's non-Disney works... Western Animation
Hey! It's me again with yet another Mickey question
!
So in the franchise page for Mickey Mouse, there's a section about non-Disney works, which are about derivative works made after (the 1928 versions of) the mouse became public domain. The page itself indexes the Disney-made works over the non-Disney ones (which I completely understand and I support for them to still being the only ones indexed there), but since there are now many non-Disney Mickey works that have pages (Mickey's Mouse Trap, The Vanishing of S.S. Willie, Captain Willie, Infestation: Origins, Inverse Ninjas VS. The Public Domain, Mousetrapped and the many pre-2024 works that feature Mickey's 1928 designs, such as Suicide Mouse and Mickey Mouse in Vietnam), should we make a separate page for them to be indexed so it would be easier to search for and find them in other pages instead of going to the "Related" tab in each of the works' pages and then go to Mickey's franchise page to search for one work? Maybe something like Non-Disney Works/Mickey Mouse, or something?
Edited by UzarNaimBer15resolved Cerebus Syndrome - does it require the work to be clearly nonserious? Western Animation
I looked under Cerebus Syndrome, and I see both Amphibia and The Owl House listed.
The Owl House started out semi-story-based, in that it was episodic but still told stories, and still took itself somewhat seriously (in that the stories were somewhat serious and there was clear worldbuilding) but had comedy. Then things ramped up near the end of season 1.
Amphibia, meanwhile, was more about random adventures, with more story in season 2, then it ramped up with Marcy's "death" at the end of season 2.
To me, these are very different things entirely. One was somewhat story-based but went to full continuing storylines. The other one was more random adventures but then jumped to having more lore and backstory, then suddenly turned dark all at once.
Looking through I see other examples that I feel aren't totally that trope. Like, there are shows that simply went from having no continuity to having continuity (a show called The Raccoons). That's not the same thing as "goes from silly random comedy to suddenly dark."
Does this trope need cleanup? Am I misunderstanding what it's about? Does it need a new description, or something to make it much more clear what is and isn't an example of Cerebus Syndrome?
openListing every couch gag Western Animation
I don't really know where else to put this, but I'm wondering if CouchGag.Bobs Burgers is a proper use of the subpage. It lists every example (up to Season 10) of the show's Couch Gag (namely, the names on the store next door and the van), while most other examples of Couch Gag simply stop at a summary of the gag, and maybe give a few noteworthy (e.g. Lampshade Hanging) examples. For comparison, the reason CouchGag.The Simpsons is so lengthy is because the intro has multiple couch gags and their variants tend to be very self-referential and involved due to being an iconic Trope Namer.
So should we cut the Bob's Burgers page and just move it to a couple of examples?
resolved An addition that I might need help on evaluating Western Animation
MamaLadilla suddenly added
the phrase "(and confirmed biologically-female)" to this entry. Turning it from this:
- Viewer Gender Confusion The non-binary Raine Whispers is sometimes mistaken for a man due to their masculine voice and hairstyle, though a flashback episode shows their younger self with a more feminine voice and appearance.
To this:
- The non-binary (and confirmed biologically-female) Raine Whispers is sometimes mistaken for a man due to their masculine voice and hairstyle, though a flashback episode shows their younger self with a more feminine voice and appearance.
OK, first off, where was that confirmed? Second, was this really necessary to add?
Edited by AudioSpeaks2openJackpot21 removing Fridges from Ladybug that are good/fixable instead of bad (At least IMO) Western Animation
...Yes, I know, but I can assure you that Jackpot has no interest in talking to me and discussions on the pages have not worked for me.
(NOTE: The following is for the stuff removed in the 10:37 PM edit on October 19th. While I have other things that I disagree with Jackpot removing in past edits, I put those on the Discussion page and the Mods prefer one or the other).
First: in the removal of a additional bit onto an Fridge for 'Gang of Secrets'. This fridge bit.
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The fact that Marinette wasn´t akumatized after breaking up with Luka isn´t so strange. She's been trying to distract herself from her sadness, probably to avoid attracting Shadow Moth's attention.
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This is what was removed.
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- Also, her anger is towards Shadow Moth. Considering his actions as villain, for Gabriel it should be nothing particular that a civilian hates his alter-ego.
- It's also very likely Gabriel deliberately doesn't send akuma after people who are specifically angry at Hawk/Shadow Moth themselves because they'd be very unlikely to cooperate with him and/or he'd be empowering people that want to directly use it against him. He's used people angry at "Gabriel" before since they don't realize that's the person they are cooperating with and he's safe in his lair from them, but akumatizing someone who wants to target his villain self would probably be counter productive.
- Also, her anger is towards Shadow Moth. Considering his actions as villain, for Gabriel it should be nothing particular that a civilian hates his alter-ego.
...
While you could probably streamline this a bit, this is not a unfair point. The guy can sense what is causing a negative emotion, he monologues about what is causing the pain when he hears it. It is not hard to add onto the above point with that additional point.
Second: from Crocoduel. This one could have used some tweaking in the flow at the end, but he cut off the end part of this
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- Juleka's hero form, like her akuma form, is a lot brighter than her normal get up. However Rose's is not darker looking like her akuma, but just as bright as normal. Both an Akuma and a Miraculous bring out an inner look for a hero and a villain, and both girls do admire the other. Other neither seem to see a dark clad hero as ideal: they don't want to be Batman they want to be like Ladybug or Majesta.
To this
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- Juleka's hero form, like her akuma form, is a lot brighter than her normal get up. However Rose's is not darker looking like her akuma, but just as bright as normal. Both an Akuma and a Miraculous bring out an inner look for a hero and a villain, and both girls do admire the other.
...
With the bit missing it it lacks the clarification that the idea is that while they admire the looks of the other (the bright Rose to the dark Juleka and vice versa), their idea of what a hero is the same (bright).
Third from Optigami
This is the original version
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- Shadow Moth choosing Nino/Carapace as the one to impersonate makes a lot of sense. As Adrien's friend, he's over their place constantly so he'd be overly familiar with his attitude and how to convincingly act like him. And in "Heart Hunter", he battled Fu as Jade Turtle who transformed in front of him and used his power so he remembered Wayzz's name (and depending on the language version the words to transform) and how to use Shelter properly so he could even convincingly impersonate Carapace. He only gives himself away by not reciprocating Alya's handshake properly, something that Gabriel would have never seen. While Gabriel also saw most of the rest transform in "Miracle Queen", he barely knows anything about them and could possibly slip up, and in the case of Kagami, while he is familiar with her enough to convincingly impersonate her, she didn't transform in Miracle Queen so him not knowing Longg's name (especially when Kagami herself was happy to see him again last time) to transform would raise suspicions. It also let him get Alya as bait, as was said in episdoe.
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This is what it was edited to.
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- Shadow Moth choosing Nino/Carapace as the one to impersonate makes a lot of sense. As Adrien's friend, he's over their place constantly so he'd be overly familiar with his attitude and how to convincingly act like him. And in "Heart Hunter", he battled Fu as Jade Turtle who transformed in front of him and used his power so he remembered Wayzz's name (and depending on the language version the words to transform) and how to use Shelter properly so he could even convincingly impersonate Carapace. He only gives himself away by not reciprocating Alya's handshake properly, something that Gabriel would have never seen.
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While episdoe did need to be fixed, I don't see the point in removing the last bit. The idea in the above clarifies why the Kagami option was not considered. (there is some show reasons why that would be caught quicker, but this is in moth's mind, not Cat's mind). It's not bad information to elaborate on.
Fourth: Also from Optigami the following was removed.
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- Chloe was the only temporary hero who did not show heroic traits in this episode whne in a situation to do sonote Kim missed the entire snafu by getting into one of his self-inflicted races, and thus was in no place to help anyone, while Chloe did, from making the moves to be ready in case they were needed to helping others try to get to safety. Another step in the 'Chloe was never a hero' demonstration.
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Several other tropes entries describe bits that elaborate on showing how Chloe was not ever a true hero from her uniform to why her complex developed in Maledictator to comparing King Monkey to Queen Bee by multiple tropers. The episode does feature virtually every other present temp hero to show these traits, which I see no reason to discard as an observation of Fridge Brilliance.
While there are other removals I do disagree with, these are the ones that strike me as the most counterproductive and needless and would like help either restoring them properly, or a good reason why they should stay off.
(Last time I had raised a forum here on the topic, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=104957&type=att
, in regards to a Sevens Fridge removal, but not only is some of this stuff individual Fridge bits and not an additional point (though most of these are), well as was said in that entry by the one respondent War Jay 77 could be summed as 'if we stretched it could be called Natter but doing that would basically require a scrubbing of all fridge pages' in regards to these points and others.
So...is there anything that can be done in this situation?
F1 the MS Office robo-assistant
openEntry removed without edit reason on Arthur recap page: okay to restore or not? Western Animation
On Arthur S1 E18 - "Arthur's Chicken Pox" / "Sick as a Dog", this entry was deleted without an edit reason
a while ago by the now perma-suspended
troper TV Lubber:
- Kick the Dog: D.W. almost literally does this when she tells Arthur "We can get a good dog now" when Pal gets sick. She may be only four years old, but that's a rather insensitive remark to make about someone's pet, especially under those circumstances.
The reason I'm asking if this is okay to add back is not only because adding it back without consensus would be an Edit War, but the entry is also negative towards D.W., a character I've been previously been suspended for writing bashy entries about, so I'm worried that re-adding it without consensus from other tropers may be seen as me relapsing in my D.W.-bashing ways and earn me a second suspension. You can see the scene for yourself in this video
starting at 0:05, so you can make an accurate judgement based on the context.
resolved Possible Edit War in YMMV Page for Elemental? Western Animation
I only realized after my last edit
on YMMV.Elemental 2023 that I might've accidentally been part of an edit war on whether or not Fireboy and Watergirl should be linked despite not having a page yet. I was the first one to make the deliberate redlink here
, but The Jayman 49 removed it here
without explanation. Hqami then added it back
, explaining why it should remain redlinked, but then Matthew Guy 6131994 removed it again
without explanation, and that was when I accidentally re-added it without checking the edit history. Is this still an edit war even if it doesn't follow the ABA user pattern of adding/removing? And should there also be a commented-out note not to remove the deliberate redlink because of this? I sincerely apologize for accidentally getting myself into this, and will make sure that I read the edit history before making any changes.
openLego Star Wars western animation article Western Animation
The fact that there was a whole section in the LEGO Star Wars page devoted to the mostly-unrelated cartoons just kept bugging me:
For a more concise list of entries, the LEGO Star Wars series consists of: [...]
- LEGO Star Wars The Padawan Menace (2011): A young orphan named Ian sneaks onto a Jedi younglings' field trip to the Senate building, but their chaperone Yoda senses a disturbance in the Force…
- LEGO Star Wars The Empire Strikes Out (2012)
- LEGO Star Wars: The Yoda Chronicles (2013-2014): An original series spanning the Prequel and Original Trilogies as our heroes seek to prevent the Sith from producing an army of Sith clones. Rebranded as LEGO Star Wars: The New Yoda Chronicles after the Disney buyout.
- LEGO Star Wars: Droid Tales (2015): A five-part miniseries comedically retelling the Original Trilogy, Prequel Trilogy, and an episode of Star Wars Rebels from the perspective of C-3PO, R2-D2, and Admiral Ackbar.
- LEGO Star Wars The Resistance Rises (2016): A series of shorts set shortly before The Force Awakens, centered on the movie's main cast.
- LEGO Star Wars: The Freemaker Adventures (2016-2017): A two-season show set between The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, nearing the beginning of the latter. The series focuses on the Freemaker siblings, a family that runs a ship repair shop and finds themselves thrown into the war when their youngest brother Rowan discovers his Force-sensitivity and the ancient Kyber Saber.
- LEGO Star Wars: All-Stars (2018): An anthology series focusing on various Star Wars characters throughout the Skywalker Saga, including the previous and next generation of the Freemakers.
- The LEGO Star Wars Holiday Special (2020): A holiday special set after The Rise of Skywalker, focusing on Rey and BB-8's time-traveling adventures throughout the Skywalker Saga after discovering a powerful Force artifact on Life Day's Eve.
- LEGO Star Wars: Terrifying Tales (2021): A Halloween special set after The Rise of Skywalker, focusing on Poe and BB-8 traveling to the now-derelict Vader's Castle on Mustafar and being told terrifying tales by the Darth's former attendant Vanee.
- LEGO Star Wars: Summer Vacation (2022): A summer special set after The Rise of Skywalker.
And it got to a point where I cut all of the above out of that page entirely. Now the real question is, should we spin off that content into a separate index of sorts under WesternAnimation/LegoStarWars or not? Part of me thinks maybe we shouldn't make an index for these because they're already covered in other pages like LEGO, Star Wars Legends or Star Wars Expanded Universe, but I want to see what others think before I can make any decision for myself.
Edited by AngrokVaopen Without Sin: All Star Edition Western Animation
Hi there, I'm the author of the fanfic Loud House Story "Without Sin: All Star Edition". A fan made an entry here on the site... and it was brought to my attention the story was cut.
Now, be that as it may for the entry being cut, after reading the thread involved, I saw a gross mischarterization of my story and wanted to set the record straight.
For one, the story is not an endorsement of Incest, or child sexual action. There are no explicit sex scenes within the story. There are no 'lemons', no detailed scenes of characters engaged in the act of sex with one another.
For two, the story does not condone what has transpired between Lincoln in the "Sinverse" and his sisters. The quotes that were used in the thread were all from 'Sin Lincoln"'s perspective. He is biased, that's the point. He doesn't want to see what transpired between himself and his sisters as 'wrong'.
For three, the 'sins' of his family have resulted in one of his own children being a victim within the story of grooming.
What has happened to Lemy, with his aunt 'Lily' is not presented as good and wholesome, but quite the opposite.
The point of this story is to take a good hard look at the 'sinkids' fandom in the Loud House, and present the realistic circumstances that would have to take place for them to exist...with a Lincoln from another world who was not involved in an incestuous relationship with his sisters becoming involved and how he reacts to it.
The story is not an endorsement of incest, child sexualploitation or anything akin to that. It is a condemnation of those things... while still presenting the children that resulted from the actions as 'innocent' of their parents's collective sins.
While titlation does exist within the story, there are no sex scenes and there will be no sex scenes within the story. I can understand if you think the story still does not 'belong' on tvtropes but I wanted to set the record straight exactly on what the story is NOT.
It is not an erotic incest pedophiliac story meant for wank material.
It is instead an exploration of the fandom of the Loud House that often has an incest filtered Kink, but in a realistic manner with the consequences of those actions.
Thank you.
openInappropriate entry re-added to YMMV/TheLoudHouse Western Animation
A week ago, Braz re-added the entry below to YMMV.The Loud House, which was previously added and then removed after being mentioned in this past query
(the reasoning was because it was considered too creepy and misuse of the YMMV item).
- Fanwork-Only Fans: It's becoming increasingly common for fans to engage themselves in the fanart community rather than the show itself. This is due to three reasons: one, the TLH fandom is generally a highly active community, with fan works galore that often go beyond what the show is constrained to, either darkly so or within the series' lightered premise. Two, the show built up a notorious reputation for its gargantuan amounts of Rule 34, mainly involving Brother–Sister Incest and lolicon. It's not uncommon for people to be introduced to the series via Loudcest, especially since there's a highly popular Fan Verse centered around it. Lastly, some people just consider the show to be too generic to invest in, and find the fan works to be far more interesting.
I'm calling for the entry to be deleted again, since it's exactly the same as the past version.
Edited by Inky100openCut Pages (further clean-up) Western Animation
One final query about my two Disney fanfics (and the tropes pages for them which I acknowledge were purely self-promotional). Will the cut tropes pages become invisible on the search are at some point if someone were to type "Cinderella: The TRUE Sequel" or "Once Upon a Studio: Version 2.0"? I'd just like to ask just to make absolutely sure that nobody can gain access to the cut pages, because I'm well aware this time that TV Tropes advises against self-promotion.
don't worry though if you don't think there is a way to stop any cut pages from appearing in search areas
openAll's Fair at the Fair (1938) Western Animation
I want to create a page on this site for "All's Fair at the Fair" (1998); one of my favorite Max Fleischer cartoons and one that I think deserves a bit more love. Unfortunately, I'm not that great at recognizing most pop culture tropes and I don't have a lot of free time to actually make it myself, so I was hoping that I could get some help from some of you more seasoned Tropers. I'd love to learn about all the tropes that make up this classic short and hear your own take on them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAFqAbrPKxQ&t=1s
resolved Pre-show Debut Western Animation
What's the name for the Trope where a character first appears in some type of promotional picture or merchandise before their actual debut in the show itself?
openRestoring a Deleted Entry Western Animation
When I found out a character in The Dragon Prince was inspired by C-3PO, I added an Expy entry to their folder which was deleted soon after by another troper.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.TheDragonPrinceXadia#edit33992672
I messaged them with a link to the interview
that states C-3PO was an influence but they haven't replied or reversed the edit themselves. What should be done? Do I just restore it myself, or should another, since I'm unsure if that might qualify as an edit war?
openHow to make a trope page for Under the Boardwalk? Western Animation
I was looking for the trope page for Paramount Animation's 2024 film "Under the Boardwalk", but as far as I can tell, it doesn't exist? There is a red-linked Under the Boardwalk page, which has a warning on it that it was basically cut because somebody did a really half-arsed job of starting it. So what's the proper procedure for relaunching the page? I will admit I'm actually not sure what indexes it would go on myself, but I do at least have a number of appropriate tropes...
openFanfic trope page is connected to actual trope Western Animation
Could you please help me? I was creating a fanfic trope page but the name of the story happened to be La Resistance and that's a trope itself. So, now it connects the fanfic trope page with the actual trope itself. Is there a way to fix that?
openA Scene in Rugrats Go Wild That Never Actually Happened(?) Western Animation
So I was rechecking the page for Rugrats Go Wild! and noticed Little Master Points's entries regarding some stuff, particularily:
- Bowel-Breaking Bricks: When the coconuts fall out of the net during the rescue scene, as the first attempt at rescuing the bathysphere fails, it is symbolic of the adults messing themselves like Angelica does when they cut to the underwater scene.
- Bring My Brown Pants: A flying bird, Siri the Clouded Leopard, Angelica, and the giant squid either poop or release a cloud of ink (the squid) when frightened or defeated. This is her comeuppance, in the case of Angelica, for her mean-spirited song, in which she repeatedly told the babies not to make any smells.
And under the Continuity Nod entry...
- Angelica gets her comeuppance for her Island Princess song and all the mean things she said and did in the form of something very similar to what happened to Siri the Clouded Leopard right before Spike told her to examine her diet. Angelitiki ends up messing herself, which she told the babies not to do in her song, in the submarine around 65-70 minutes. She is the only character seen wearing entirely different clothes on the cruise and not interacting with the others.
This is also brought on so-on-and-so-forth by the same troper.
A reason I want to bring this up is because I recently rewatched the movie and while there are toilet jokes, I never saw Angelica messing herself. Did I miss something, or do I have a valid reason to see this as highly concerning?
Edited by RedBerryBlueCherryopen A certain European animated short Western Animation
In the tropes Bungled Suicide and Happily Failed Suicide, there's a mention on the Western Animation folders that there's an 80's Eastern-European short about "a despondent man trying to kill himself, but when he's faced by robbers, he gives away all of his posession, clothes included, and ends up happy and appreciating life after being spared". I can't find anything about this short on the web, and a twitter account stated that this short is probably non-existant. Anybody knows what the short is called?
Edited by Numbuh1507

Recently, AK47Productions edited an entry I had added to Self-Demonstrating.Alastor, under the reasoning of cleaning up Word Cruft.
This is the entry before their edit:
After the edit:
While I don't mind the condensation and removal of redundant wording they did, they accidentally left behind a grammar error and removed a bit of context that the entry cited, which I'd like to correct like this plus some more additions of mine (changes are in bold):
Do I have permission to go ahead with these proposed corrections and additions without problem, or is there something I have to change?
Edited by Inky100