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openPokemon's fanon page Videogame
bunny001 changed some examples. Usually the fanon pages are pretty up-for-grabs since fanon is so fluid and changes from area to area, but I'm doubting the validity of these edits.
These are the originals:
- Hilbert usually has Oshawott as his starter with Hilda having a Snivy as her own in fanworks. Likewise, Nate will be given a Tepig (partly due to the Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 movie trailer) while Rosa has an Oshawott. Despite this, Hilda and Hilbert are most often portrayed with Tepig, and Rose with Snivy, in official art.
- Hilda is usually depicted as the protagonist of the first games. With the sequels, fan-works are evenly split between Nate and Rosa (with a slight lean towards Nate due to the animated trailer and to make him contrast with Hilda).
These are the edits:
- Hilda usually has Oshawott as her starter with Hilbert having a Snivy as his own in fanworks. Likewise, Nate will be given a Tepig (partly due to the Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 movie trailer) while Rosa has an Oshawott. Despite this, Hilda and Hilbert are most often portrayed with Tepig, and Rose with Snivy, in official art.
- Hilda is usually depicted as the protagonist of the first games. With the sequels, fan-works are evenly split between Nate and Rosa (with a slight lean towards Rosa due to the animated trailer and to make her contrast with Hilda).
I am not interested in Unova fan-works anymore, but I remember at least during Gen 5 itself the original versions were accurate. I've always seen Hilbert with Oshawott and Hilda with Snivy. I'd also say fanworks lean towards Nate over Rosa.
Edited by Pichu-kunopenURL question Videogame
What kind of YouTube URLs should we link to? I saw over on YMMV.Yu Gi Oh Reshef Of Destruction, MaLady changed a standard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= URL to https://youtu.be/, which automatically redirects to the former when clicked and lengthens the URL in browsers. The page itself doesn't seem long enough for URL shortening to be necessary.
open Revert on SpectacleFighter? Videogame
Could we get a mod revert on Spectacle Fighter? A troper took it upon himself to cut most of the page without discussion. He is on the Discussion page now, so I think the prudent course of action would be to revert the page, discuss what does or does not need to be cut, and then re-cut stuff.
I do agree that the fat should be trimmed, but he cut way too much before any discussion occurred.
resolved Questions about a problematic Nightmare Fuel page Videogame
NightmareFuel.Little Big Planet is currently only a one paragraph long page with incorrect grammar and citing user-made content as its nightmare fuel. I have a few questions about this.
- Just to be sure, can this page be cut for being a stub? I'm not sure how page length limits apply to Moments subpages. If so, I'll sent a notifier to the page creator and send the page to the cutlist if they don't respond or edit the page in a few days.
- Can user-generated content be used as examples on the main pages for the games they come from? LittleBigPlanet itself is a game that is heavily focued around its level editor, but it has its own story and levels outside of that, making it a game rather than a platform like Roblox.
resolved Papyrus char page (undertale) Videogame
How do i make a self demonstrating article for him? Sans has one so i feel like Papyrus deserves one too.
openWhat to do with [=CN=] servers being ahead of global given potential spoiler warnings Videogame
There is a concern I have with regards to potential spoilers in Reverse: 1999 due to CN servers being two patches ahead of global.
I am of the general opinion that, because of how critical R1999 is when it comes to its narrative driven approach, publicly listing CN characters ahead of global will, in itself be highly spoilery (i.e. Moldir being playable is in itself, incredibly spoiler heavy for global) and may lead to the potential snowball effect of editors just outright listing lore-heavy spoiler tropes way ahead of what global players are expecting.
While I have heard that other gacha pages like GFO and Arknights have their CN listed characters, I don't think Reverse should follow what these other communities do with regards to their CN stuff.
Spoilers is a hazard in R1999 and there is a large sub-set of R1999 players who actively want to avoid all CN news. If I was a unassuming global player that would like to read the character pages of Reverse, I would have zero warning that CN characters alongside potential CN spoilers would appear once I scroll down (assuming we go ahead with publicly listing the CN stuff). Given that there is no warning in the character pages of R1999, what can we do?
I prefer just hiding all CN stuff until global catches up to that patch. Nevertheless, I would like some advice or consensus here on what to do with this and how to construct these pages if needed.
resolved Possible edit war, spoilers on headers Videogame
Yuusha Fan has added a spoiler tag
on a header in this character page. I removed the tag
and then he added back in anyways
. The thing he added is literally a big time spoiler. Also there is no edit reasons, already DMed him about it. Can I undo that thing? I've already undid it once and I do not want to risk an edit war myself.
openCan a Continuity Nod qualify as a Mythology Gag at the same time? Videogame
Probably a stupid question, but, what the title says. This is a super specific situation I'm dealing with: I'm thinking of editing a page that's about the second game in a series that was originally self-contained but contained a cameo of the Big Bad from a previous game made by the same developer, before being adopted as part of a series later on as a Non-Linear Sequel.
Can this be considered both a Continuity Nod as well as a Mythology Gag, due to the circumstances? The page I previously made and edited currently lists it as a Mythology Gag when it really should be considered a Continuity Nod (a mistake from the days where I had way less experience as a troper), but can I retroactively slot the Continuity Nod in while explaining that it was originally the latter before later games made it into the former? Or should I Take a Third Option and just replace Mythology Gag with Continuity Nod and call it a day?
openNot sure this should have been removed. Videogame
I recently added an edit for Fourth Wall Myopia on Dragon Age: The Veilguard, that was removed:
- Dragon Age: The Veilguard: This is a major factor to Taash's infamous confrontation with their mother in their personal quest coming off as Unintentionally Unsympathetic to audiences, even though anyone familiar with such issues would recognize the ethos, logos and pathos all hold up. Taash's grievances were on paper entirely understandable; they were emotionally neglected by their mother for most of their life, and one of Taash's fundamental questions is how non-binary characters would even exist in a religion like the Qun. Suffice to say, not well at all; the Qun are adamant that the role you play is the one you're born in and will die in, and are likewise adamant that men and women are assigned to strict gender roles, and while this means that the Qun are surprisingly okay with trans people, they don't even consider non-binary people to even exist. This is a sentiment that several trans people go through when explaining their gender identity to their own parents, and Taash was clearly meant to emulate that with them finding it difficult to keep themselves composed over the matter as their mother doesn't even recognize why Taash made this choice and even insinuates that Rook had a reason for "making her like this". Unfortunately, due to Taash taking an overly defensive tone and their mother being calm by comparison, it comes off to many unfamiliar with such a dilemma that Taash's mother was being unfairly railed on by her child, despite the context making total sense within the universe. This leads to a scene that would otherwise be poignant being undercut by an awkward execution, even when the details of the scene in question make total sense on paper versus how it impresses on itself in practice.
The given reason for the removal was that "this trope is when character's actions make sense in-universe because they don't know something that the viewers do and thus the latter complain that the scene is irrational. In this case, it's not about having more knowledge of the characters (to the point the entry even says that viewers don't know certain elements, quite the opposite); plus, one complaint about taash's reaction is that it's very immature for their age, while it could've been more understandable if they were a teenager." Except that the edit itself notes that the execution is awkward and immature-sounding, and last I checked, the actual trope is that viewers do not realize that the plot is not known to the characters, or that they are in a story. In particular, that the Qun is very strict about gender roles, and so Taash being nonbinary does cause a breakdown in social roles.
Am I barking up the wrong tree here? I'm sincerely wondering.
Edited by LelielopenPermission to cut a character page (due to citation issues) Videogame
In Characters.Death End Re Quest Code Z, there are a few entries that cite the official website
(the website has an 18+ warning due to graphic violence). However, in the upcoming works thread
, it was confirmed that official websites do not count (due to, to quote the post, "If something is present solely in commentary made by a work's creator or someone involved in its making, but is not present in the work itself, it cannot serve as the sole source for examples."). It's thanks to this that I also hid some tropes on the main page Death end re;Quest Code Z.
I've already made a sandbox for the characters so I'm asking if it is ok to cut the character and reinstate it once the game is released.
Edited by Ayumi-chanopenTropes used to be valid before, but not anymore... What to do? Videogame
In live-service games or those that keep on receiving updates. What should be done when an example that used to be valid or was applied in an older version suddenly got removed in a newer version?
- Keep the example but rewrite the context to state that it used to be the case until Version X removed it?
- Delete the entire trope example?
- When the game was newly-released, there was some fandom discussion on how Childe's name is supposed to be pronounced, because a very specific clip
from Paimon's English VA had the name pronounced like "child" at first, then like "chill-day" next, in the same sentence. I originally added it somewhere
as a trope example, but another troper deleted it
saying it was fixed in a newer version.
- A troper deleted some examples
from YMMV.Genshin Impact without providing an edit reason, though what can be assumed here is that they deleted examples that no longer applied to the newer versions of the game. One of the deleted examples was a Cheese Strategy that was so prevalent or known back in the day, it was widely believed that "miHoYo had to patch it out". The point here is that the cheese strat existed in the past and players were trying to re-create it
before and after it was patched. There were even discussions wondering why the boss arena's ceiling suddenly changed, and fingers were either pointed to this cheese strat with Guoba, another cheese strat with Klee, or it was a semi-related bug with the hole itself.
- Cheese Strategy: The Cryo Regisvine could be safely cheesed by using Xiangling to drop Goubas from a cliff directly above the arena, allowing players to chip off its HP even before it wakes up. The devs eventually caught on to the trick and patched it out in Version 1.1.
Other Genshin tropers brought this up too years ago in the Discussion tab
I'd like to know if there's a guideline for these kinds of examples here on TV Tropes, because there are several other live service games I know of here with trope examples that are "outdated" or "no longer applies in the newer version".
"Blind Idiot" Translation and Good Bad Translation examples also have this dilemma sometimes, as it's common for live-service game devs to fix translation/localization errors when pointed out by players in the game's online platforms.
Edited by DanteVinresolved something wrong with the Baldur's gate 3 Origin Characters page? Videogame
Specifically this one. Checking the history of the page or the edit page, i can clearly see there is content here. But when i try to look at the page itself... it's blank.
resolved Non-YMMV trope in YMMV page: Final Fantasy Legend II Videogame
...And I thought it wouldn't ever happen again, but it does:
In the page YMMV.Final Fantasy Legend II, Nintendo Hard is listed there. Speaking of which, Video Games difficulty might be subjective between players, but if a lot of players see the Video Game with trope page in this site is seen as hard, it would been listed in the main page, rather than the YMMV.
Oddly enough, the trope has been there from the creation of the YMMV page, which is relatively new compared to the main Video Game page itself, and created in January 2021, likely to make out a separate YMMV page for Final Fantasy Legend II).
What will I do?
EDIT: As of this TRS thread
, apparently the decision of Nintendo Hard being subjective has resulted it in being moved to YMMV trope. So I guess it's fine to move it back to YMMV. And this is after I self-locked the query by marking it as Resolved! Dang it.
openJust Dance (No Name Given Trope) Videogame
Although I would like to add the trope itself since every single coach (not counting the collaborated ones) comes with no names at all, I also notice that some of the coaches have been given names, either by the directors of the game, concept arts or posts from official accounts. If it is to be added, will it be counted as a Subversion or Aversion?
openCharacters.SeriousSamBosses - Regarding ZumZum: BeeAfraid or WickedWasps? Videogame
So, basically, more than two weeks ago, I was busy prowling through Bee Afraid wicks to clean them up (since Bee Afraid now covers only dangerous/antagonistic bee characters or species; the original definition is covered by Scary Stinging Swarm). One of these wicks was located in Characters.Serious Sam Bosses, describing a boss called ZumZum. Here's the entry that contained the wick:
- Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever: A freaking huge wasp.
Naturally, I replaced the wick with a wick for the Wicked Wasps trope. But later, a troper called AM_NK added the separate Bee Afraid wick, describing ZumZum as "a giant mook-making bee" (yet, surprisingly, not rewriting other wicks and not even removing the Wicked Wasps wick), and then added ZumZum as an example in the main Bee Afraid page.
Now, that's when the confusion rises. I was very hesitant to remove the Bee Afraid wick (since it would count as an example of edit-warring), but the page now simultaneously calls ZumZum a wasp and then contradicts itself by calling it a bee. And as far as I'm aware, no insect can simultaneously be a bee and a wasp.
To settle this, I decided to browse the internet for the information regarding ZumZum. The wiki page on Serious Sam Wiki
calls ZumZum a hornet-like creature (and its Russian counterpart outright refers to it as a mutated hornet). Also, judging by how the character looks
◊, it looks more like a wasp to me. However, [[https://serioussam.fandom.com/wiki/ZumZum_Jr
. the mooks it spawns]] definitely resemble bees more, which would make ZumZum itself a weird-looking bee by association.
I've never played Serious Sam game series in my life, so I have zero understanding about the game's lore, characters, and stuff. So I'd like to ask, what should be done here? Should we rewrite the entry to call it a wasp (therefore, removing the Bee Afraid wick), or a bee (therefore, removing the Wicked Wasps wick)? Or should we just Take a Third Option and call it a "bee/wasp thing", keeping both wicks?
Oh, and should we bring AM_NK to this thread? I'd like to hear what they have to say on this stance.
Edited by I--Vanya--IopenWhat is this bullshit Videogame
Alright, who the hell decided it was a good idea to add a page image to Awesome.The Binding Of Isaac? The page itself is shoehorning a lot.
Edited by SpideyopenLego Marvel Superheores Game nightmare fuel Videogame
The fact the Norman Osborn was experimenting on innocent employees with Vemon trapping them in containers to make them into half Vemon monsters goons speaks for it self
openConcern over Winnie the Pooh's Home Run Derby Videogame
While helping with the That One Boss and That One Level cleanup
, I came across some questionable examples on Winnie the Pooh's Home Run Derby, and in the process I've found myself concerned about the page and its subpages in general.
I had no doubt the reason the game even had a page was because of the general Surprise Difficulty reaction it gets, but the memes of how hard it is - and the demonization the pitchers got as a result - have bled into all but one subpage, even though difficulty aside, it's a simple Winnie-the-Pooh game with no plot.
My main concern is how I should deal with this. Like I said, the issues are quite prominent, but I'm worried about if the pages aren't big enough to warrant a thread on Projects: Short Term, and what I should do instead if they aren't.
Edited by BrashBusteropenSafe to recreate cut page for a Cars game? Videogame
This is kind of a silly question, but I'm here to ask if it's okay to recreate Cars: Race-O-Rama, the page for a semi-obscure tie-in game for Pixar's Cars. It was apparently cut for reading "Like a Wikipedia summary of the games" and not actually listing any tropes.
Since the issue seems to be that the original page was badly written to the point of being useless, I imagine it would be fine for me to make a proper page for this game. I do have a list of tropes pertaining to Cars Race O Rama. I just wanted to ask before doing anything, per the warning on the cut page itself.
Edited by JoestarRunner

Fallout: New Vegas
There's no word in Discussion about locking the page, and I don't see a Repair Shop notification header on the page itself. Possible spurious page lock?
Edited by JAG01