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openWMG: Karate Kid 2 Film
Chosen is shamed in front of the entire image. He has to make up, but after his actions the entire village will probably disown him, not to mention his family. So he only has two choices-leave in shame and never return or spend his life hunting down Daniel. OK, Daniel's still alive in the sequel, but that's only because Chozen was making himself stronger, and eventually he located Daniel (Miyagi was training Hilary Swank and so couldn't rescue Daniel)...what do we think?
Edited by FurtivePigopen Self discovery trope Film
I am wanting to learn all I can about tropes of self discovery. I am writing a TV show where the protagonist's intention is 'to find herself / to take control of her life / to listen to her own voice' - the framing being that she has led a life of literal seclusion from any world outside of hers and that she has had all of her big life decisions dictated to her by other people.
Here is my question; All tropes that seem to exist around this topic never quite feel like the perfect fit. The 'Journey To Discover Oneself' trope listed on the site is about characters at the end of a movie still questioning after a major event, and out of Booker's 9 basic stories/plots the intention of self discovery seems to lie somewhere between a 'rebirth', 'Rebellion Against The One' and 'Tragedy'.... with a mix of twists on the 'Coming Of Age' trope.
Can anyone help by offering any clear tropes and examples of movies that follow self discovery tropes? Is it too broad of an intention to exist in the confines of a trope? I am surprised a journey to find oneself isn't one of booker's 9 plots, can anyone shed any light on this?
Thank you,
X
openNext of Kin (1982) Film
Has anyone here seen or heard of Next of Kin (1982)? Because I could really use a bit of help in writing its tropes page. This is mainly down to the fact that I have never actually had the chance to watch the film (though I have heard it's really good) but it also has to do with the fact that I have been getting virtually no real-life social interaction these days, and so I often find myself at a loss for words whenever I try to write something down.
Edited by Scifimaster92open Please help with the title Film
So there is this old cartoon about a little guy or maybe an insect who has a friend dog. Nobody else can hear him. He once got trapped in a bubble, he made shows and played every character himself, he lived in a clock I think. It's not popular tho. So maybe someone knows what I'm talking about???
open Drama tv show or movie? Film
Whats the tv show or movie called about a black girl and guy who are married and have a black daughter, and the daughters boyfriend leaves her and goes to jail while she is pregnant and carrying the baby that her mom wants, but she is in love with her moms husband, and he likes her too but doesn't want the mom to know... the pregnant girl ends up getting hit by a car which the mom is driving because she wants the baby but she thinks that her daughter wants to keep it for herself..?
openMCU Tough Acts To Follow Film
YMMV.Doctor Strange 2016 has a Tough Act to Follow entry admitting that it didn't become as beloved as Captain America: Civil War, while YMMV.Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2 had a pre-release entry worrying that GotG 2 could become less beloved than the first movie, Civil War, and Doctor Strange. If GotG 2 does become more popular than Doctor Strange, how would we re-word this? I already tried adding, "Downplayed for viewers who don't consider Doctor Strange one of Marvel's best," but it got deleted for sounding too obvious.note Yes, I know Doctor Strange has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score, but I don't think it deserves a 90%.
EDIT: I thought of something myself.
Edited by dsneybufopen I've been looking for this for hours and I still don't know what it was! Film
This was either a film or an episode of a TV series but I distinctly remember a man walking around a hospital or something, and he kept hearing a little girl singing a creepy version of the Hush Little Baby nursery rhyme. By the end of fhe film/episode, the man tried to set himself on fire and I can't remember whether he was successful or not . . . I know this isn't much to go on at all, but if anybody has any wuggestions and nos to what it might be I would be very thankful.
openDisagreement on whether or not Bucky Barnes qualifies as The Hermit Film
There's a small edit war on the characters page
for allies of the MCU version of The Avengers.
Please make sure that the tropes fit the example. Bucky is not The Hermit: he is hiding both because he has triggers in his head and because as a former assassin he is a wanted fugitive.
Would I be right if I said that as long as a character is willingly hiding or isolating himself, regardless of the reason, he qualifies as The Hermit?
Edited by RayAP9open The Dark Crystal: Who is this character? Film
Found this character which appears to be one of the mystics from the movie among my dads belongings. He was a film fan and artist. I think he may have made it himself but am not absolutely certain. unfortunately I don't see how to post a photo to share it. It has a mole on what would be its left cheek....Any ideas?
openState Fair Remake Film
If 20th Century Fox seems to consider the 1962 version of Rodgers and Hammerstein's State Fair an Old Shame, but I don't know what Rodgers himself thought of it (Hammerstein died a few years before it premiered), which of the Old Shame subpages should I put it on?
open Protesting against ageism in Phantom Menace YMMV post Film
So I've been trying to post about how it's wrong and ageist for people to judge Anakin in the Phantom Menace as being written as a child without caring if he had been likeable, well-written and sympathetic, without negative qualities like being whiny, bratty, immature and annoying. Those negative qualities are what makes him poorly written, and the fact that Jake Lloyd couldn't act made it worse. I try proving that it's not a Continuity Snarl if he was well-written and played by a kid who COULD act, because according to the Return of the Jedi clip I gave a link to, the Force ghost Obi-Wan never told Luke how old Anakin was when he first knew him. He just said Anakin was already an excellent pilot, but Obi-Wan was amazed at how strong the Force was with Anakin. If anything, since Obi-Wan said, "I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi," Qui-Gon's involvement WAS a Continuity Snarl. But it's not a Continuity Snarl if the kid Anakin were actually well-written and played by a kid who COULD act. Judging Anakin for being introduced as a child is like judging Rey for being a girl and Finn for being black, and Rey and Finn were NOT poorly written like Anakin was. And not all child actors were Jake Lloyd, some were actually quite good. But it might've helped if the script didn't have bullshit like "Are you an angel?" and "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!" and was nowhere near as poorly-written as it was. The plot too, and pretty much all of the characters aside from Jar Jar (who never should've even been created, and would never work given that that kind of cartoonish slapstick and that he was purely annoying). It might've helped for Anakin to have been found on a different planet instead of Tatooine (to avoid plot holes) and to savie any romance for until Anakin grows up in the next 2 prequels, as long as they weren't handled the way George Lucas handled it. And someone should've convinced George Lucas that the way he envisioned the prequels would never work and he should've given the prequels to someone who is capable of making a decent prequel trilogy that's closer to up to snuff with the original trilogy. Maybe it's hard to write a decent child character, but it's not impossible if the right person envisions a Star Wars prequel trilogy. And writing likeable characters to root for isn't easy, but Lucas never tried hard. He just did what he wanted without really considering what the fans would want and the prequels suffered as a result. But if fans can't accept a likeable, well-written child Anakin instead of a poorly-written, whiny, bratty, immature, and annoying child Anakin, they are just as bad as George Lucas. There are too many problems with the prequel trilogy to decide that a child Anakin can't be likeable, sympathetic, and well-written.
I tried posting this under Mis-blamed, but it got deleted twice. I'm trying to figure out a decent trope that might fit and a better way to protest against the ageism of those audiences and show why they are out of line judging characters for being a child when so many things could have been different, including a well-written child if they had a writer who WAS capable, instead of George Lucas. So I'd also like to do all that in a not-so Natter-y or ranting way, along with the proper trope. But if anyone support the audiences who put age over likeability and characterization, please ignore this post. I don't want any more discriminatory, ageist posts or supports of such discrimination.
openNo Title Film
Edit War ongoing on the Serenity page on the use of God-Mode Sue. Myself and another troper are arguing over the content, and I've requested that the other troper take the issue to the talk page instead of engaging in an edit war. The other troper appears to be ignoring this appeal despite the fact that I created a topic on the page in question. I've pulled the entire entry because we keep arguing over it, and requesting moderation to sort this out.
Edited by ZaptechopenSpider-Man's a Bourgeois Bohemian? Film
I found an entry for They Changed It, Now It Sucks! on the YMMV page for Spider-Man: Homecoming where it talks about how the movie got rid of some Peter's self-sufficient traits. I don't have much of a problem with that, but around the end of the entry it calls Peter a Bourgeois Bohemian and I have no idea if it's using the trope correctly,
- While fans like the idea of a Spider-Man in a Shared Universe, many don't appreciate how Marvel have placed him more or less as a Heroic Wannabe training to be part of the Avengers, and being a sidekick to Tony Stark who designs his original outfit and gives him a bunch of upgrades. This in effect robs MCU Spider-Man of the very qualities that made him unique when he first came out (an independent teenage superhero who was his own man, who made his own stuff and was not anyone's sidekick). As fans note, the original Spider-Man in the Lee-Ditko era invented his own costume,spider signal, web-shooters and spider tracers whereas here, except for the web-fluid, most of that was handed to him on a silver platter and the central dramatic tension of the film's third part (Peter proving he can be a tough superhero without his gadgets) makes Spider-Man's triumph not so much that of an underdog scrapper pushing above his weight and resourcesnote So much so that when Green Goblin finally found Spider-Man's Secret Identity he couldn't believe that his enemy was a teenager since he, like all of Spider-Man's rogues believed they were fighting an Experienced Protagonist but a Bourgeois Bohemian proving he's more bohemian than bourgeois to his mentor, which needless to say is not very relatable to many in the audience.
I don't think this is a correct usage of Bourgeois Bohemian, as Peter is not upper-class and doesn't display the overt liberal traits that the trope requires. Is this shoehorning?
openMarilyn Monroe page includes dubious fact. Film
I see this assertion on the Marilyn Monroe page: 'She was also romantic penpals with Portuguese dictator Antonio De Oliveira Salazar.' This is not only false, it's perfectly ludicrous. There are other false and ludicrous things said about Marilyn Monroe, but I've never even encountered this one before. Just for starters, then, Salazar was aged 50, in 1939. You might as well be saying that Marilyn Monroe corresponded with a pure-blood wizard, Salazar Slitherin. I have a broader question about how much I should hesitate about simply deleting something like this or adding things myself?
openIs the trope being used subjectively? Film
So I recently went on the Star Wars – Resistance Heroes and found that someone had listed Love Dodecahedron under general character tropes. The issue I found with the application was that three of the four "romantic attractions", Poe and Rey, Finn and Poe, and Rey and Kylo (that last one includes a character that's not even featured) listed were not canonical. From examples I've seen under the page for the trope itself, Love Dodecahedron seems to only apply to canon romantic interest multiple characters have in one another. Is this correct or did I miss something? Also I already contacted the editor but they have yet to respond.
Edited by Psytrainerresolved Edit War on Hijacked Destiny Film
WalkerBRiley deleted this entry under Film in Hijacked Destiny:
- Happens inadvertently in the Star Wars Continuity Reboot. The Skywalker bloodline ultimately ended having accomplished nothing and The Unchosen One Rey, descendant of the very person it was created to destroy, saves the day on her own and rubs salt in the wound by taking their name for herself in an attempt to honor their sacrifice.
openChanging "Characters/GodzillaTheGodzillas" as Characters/Godzilla The Character Film
I want to know if it's okay to change Godzilla: The Godzillas as "Godzilla The Character", since while it's a page designed to show multiple versions of the character, the title itself makes it sound like they in the same continuity when there's 10 different versions of the same character while adding other media-related characters.
openSneakers & Getting Crap Past The Radar Film
So in the Sneakers, there is an %-ed entry for GCPTR, citing the works on the trope itself. I dig out the original entry and it says the following:
Dr. Rhyzkov calls Janek "what a dick" in a truly vulgar manner. But does so in Czech, so no sweat. It also leads to a dissonance with the overall Avoid the Dreaded G Rating strategy undertook in late stages of production.
Not an expert on Czech, but traced the line and the swear works in other Slav languages, too. This is really damn vulgar.
So my question is: can the original entry be re-instated, given it clearly has:
- Radar in form of MPA and their rating system
- Crap in form of severe swearing
- Getting past in form of Hiding Behind the Language Barrier
And on top of that, the last sentence is correct - this is so severe, the film wouldn't have to go through all the additional hurdles mentioned under Avoid the Dreaded G Rating if that line was simply in English (and to be frank, I'm not sure you could augment the vulgar manner of calling someone a dick in English to properly portray the severity of it).
tl;dr can the original entry go back?
Edited by StaniszopenTitanic video for Crowd Panic Film
Hi. I noticed that the video example for Crowd Panic, which is from Titanic (1997), has a mouse cursor embedded in the video itself. I was wondering if someone could upload a new, cleaner version, as the final plunge is an excellent example of this trope.

Help!!! This show/movie is probably no later than 2008.
Okay so it starts somewhat like this. A guy pulls up to a small gas station, where he sees a very attractive girl. She then invites him to a party at some big house later on that night. He arrives to the house but is skeptical to go in. As he's debating whether to walk into the party or not this scary werewolf dirty type human comes from around the house yelling and mumbling gibberish. He ends up being scared of the thing so he runs inside the house. He's now in the party (i dont remember much of what goes on in here) he meets the girl from the gas station who i think slips something in his drink that makes him very drowsy. She then admits to slipping something in his drink. He trys to ask the party guest for help but they suddenly all stop dancing because they were mannequins all along except the girl and maybe like 3 guys who are trying to get him. He trys to run out the house but all the doors and windows are either shut or a guy is waiting for him. He finally escapes through the chimney rolls off the roof of the house, and he's extremely dirty and looks kind of like a werewolf. As he's coming around the front of the house he sees a young man at the front door debating whether he should go in the party or not. The werewolf looking dude realizes that the young man at the door is himself, ...So he runs towards him yelling and mumbling gibberish trying to prevent him from going into the party. The young man gets scared and runs inside..
So this seems to be a never ending cycle, not sure if this was a movie or an episode (maybe like a goosebumps) but my guess is that it might be a show since i dont think it lasted longer that one hour. Thanks guys