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open 12-Episode Anime: still tropeworthy? Anime
I’ve been concerned about 12-Episode Anime for a while now. There are two major issues that caught my attention.
First, I’m wondering whether it’s still tropeworthy in the first place. I suspect this is a very old page, especially since the description mentions the Spring and Fall anime seasons being much more important than Summer and Winter, which was once true but hasn’t really been the case for ~15 years now. There was a time when most new TV anime that weren’t open-ended serials had a standard length of 24-26 episodes, and 12 episode anime in that era were something of a novelty. But things have changed especially over the last decade or so, to the point where almost all new TV anime are being made 12 episodes at a time now, even the ones that are renewed for multiple seasons. So a 12-episode anime in the 2020s is effectively PSOC, nothing notable at all because it’s evolved into the industry standard. If anyone cared enough to add every new 12 episode series that premiered every season we’d be adding over 100 new anime to the page every year.
Second, even if everyone decides the concept itself is still a valid trope, the vast majority of the examples on the page are ZCE, and most of the examples that do have a description are in the ”Given More Seasons” and “Unusual Cases” folders, which are essentially the aversions.
openrequesting an addition Anime
I was surprised that Guts from Berserk isn't on the anime and manga section of the Hurting Hero trope examples. This may sound dumb, but I'm kind of nervous that I'll mess up the formatting if I do it myself, so I just thought I'd suggest instead.
openKingdom name changes Anime
Hey there. So I was thinking of making large-scale changes to add in more information to the Kingdom characters page regarding English voice actors as well as switching over to Chinese pronunciations as the primary way of referring to stuff. Anyone object to this? My reasoning is that not only does the English dub of the anime use Chinese pronunciations, the story itself is set during a seminal period fo Chinese history, the Warring States. As a Chinese person it feels a bit weird to see all these historical figures from my cultural background being referred to with Japanese pronunciation.
openWhich examples sound like character bashing on this page? Anime
Sailor Moon
- Usagi Tsukino can be this:
- She can be a Clingy Jealous Girl toward Mamoru and hates when other women get close to him, but she is not always faithful herself, judging by the way she stares at other boys. Apparently, only one of them needs to be 100% devoted. This is mostly in the first anime.
- In one episode, she slaps Mamoru for forgetting her birthday even though she never told him, but she doesn't know his birthday either.
- Chibi-Usa can be this as well:
- She accuses Usagi of being "ungrateful" for rejecting her mother's hot cakes (and she only rejected them because she had already eaten something and didn't even know her mother was making something for her in the first place) when she herself does not appreciate that Usagi has constantly put her own life on the line to save her from danger.
- In one episode, she gets viciously angry at Usagi after the latter unknowingly steals the pie she baked for a classmate. In other episodes, she would knowingly steal Usagi's food just for the sake of it.
- For all her talk about Usagi being an incompetent guardian, she proves to be quite incompetent at being a guardian herself once she starts her training.
- She (along with the others) criticizes Usagi for her laziness, even though she is shown to be rather lazy herself; for instance, she has Usagi carry all the groceries while she herself is empty-handed.
- Luna the Cat also has her moments:
- She gets on Usagi's case when the latter allegedly wet the bed, but she doesn't hold it against Chibi-Usa when it's revealed it was her who did it. When Usagi points this out to Luna, Luna excuses herself by telling her, "Well, you deserved it."
- When she merely thinks Diana is the lovechild of Artemis and another cat, she violently rages at him. Fast-forward to Sailor Stars, where she openly fawns over Yaten, perfectly fine with the fact that Artemis knows.
- She also had the nerve to taunt Usagi for not noticing if Chibi-Chibi was her daughter or not when she herself failed to realize that Diana was her daughter and jumped to conclusions. Usagi rightfully calls her out on this, and she quickly becomes embarrassed.
- She usually does nothing to stop Chibi-Usa from antagonizing Usagi, yet she has the nerve to call out Usagi whenever she retaliates in any way.
- Haruka Tenoh is another example:
- During the early stages of her relationship with Michiru, Haruka snarked that she didn't think a privileged rich girl like her could possibly understand a concept as bleak as the apocalypse, even though Haruka herself is a privileged rich girl.
- Before going to confront Eudial with Michiru, Haruka tells Usagi that they won't let her slow them down with her "half-baked play war". She says this, even though she and Michiru didn't have a concrete plan for finding the Talismans all season and they hadn't formed a plan for when they confronted Eudial and when they did, she quickly gained the upper hand. Had Usagi heeded their threat and stayed away, Haruka and Michiru would've died and the Death Busters would've gotten a hold on two Talismans.
- In the Stars season, she expresses distaste at the way Seiya "indiscriminately approaches women", yet Haruka has been shown to flirt with a lot of girls, including Usagi and the Inner Soldiers (even stealing a kiss from Sailor Moon in the manga/Crystal without her consent, which is a form of sexual assault) and unlike Seiya, Haruka is in a relationship (a stable one with trust from both sides, but still).
- Both her and Michiru often display Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance when it comes to criticizing the Inner Guardians. Generally, this takes the form of treating the Inner scouts as new girls who haven't had to make tough sacrifices. The truth being Venus had been active for at least a year prior to the events of season 1 (and Michiru being active at most around season 2), and all five of them dying in heroic sacrifices in the end of Season 1.
- Rei often scolds and mocks Usagi for certain traits and habits, yet she herself exhibits the exact same behavior or does it after scolding Usagi for doing so. One of the best examples of this is in the fifth season, when Usagi is shown worrying about Seiya, at which point Rei shows up and says, "Stop worrying about someone else and go study!" Ignoring that Rei is, at that moment, worrying about someone else and not studying.
openQuotations edging into plagiarism? Anime
While browsing through fanfic pages, Fanfic.Isnt It Beautiful and Fanfic.We Werent Born To Follow struck me with some weird choices. Several examples on them appear to have flat out chunks of the fic itself inserted as context. Not quotes from the characters, but narration. For one example, but there's more.
- The boy is a whirlwind, swinging his tonfa with ease and comfort and using them in probably unconventional ways. He hits with them, sure, and blocks, and parries. And then reverses his grip, uses the short handle to hook under the armpit or around a knee to trip them over. And then turns them around again to use as stilts for his hands, adding inches to the reach of his upwards kick that sends a far-taller opponent reeling back.
This feels in violation of ZCE rules, but I'm not sure if the attempt at indicating quotation saves it from being a plagiarism problem.
Edited by Adannorresolved The Ron the Death Eater example from YMMV/SonicX Anime
I wanted to make this discussion because I saw that the Ron the Death Eater example for Chris Thorndyke was deleted. Here it is.
- Ron the Death Eater: Chris Thorndyke is often viewed by fans as a selfish, spoiled brat, who's life isn't all that bad as he claims it is, and being more obsessive over Sonic than Amy is. However, Chris isn't really a bad kid. His whiny moments like in episode 49 were due to his fear of loneliness, which kept him from handling the situation of Sonic returning to his world more positively, especially since the news sprung upon him unexpectedly and was pretty impactful for him, and he was acting more traumatic and in denial than like a spoiled brat. His clinginess to Sonic and his fear of loneliness is due to being neglected by his parents since he was little, as he had to spend most of his time alone inside his huge and empty mansion without friends or siblings, making his life feel very empty and he didn't want to lose the one person who filled that void with his friendship and adventures. This also applies to when Chris shut down the portal to stop Sonic from going back to his world. Chris didn't shut down the portal because he's a spoiled brat. He did it because his emotions and fears got the best of him, that he made a reckless choice without thinking clearly.
I actually agree with this example, but it was deleted because apparently it was added by a ban evader. I am for adding it back because although Chris is not my favorite character of this show (due to some issues with how he was written), I do agree that fans do tend to demonize this kid.
openDoes Silvers Rayleigh (One Piece) count as an example of "World's Strongest Man"? Anime
Another user and I are having a disagreement over whether or not he constitutes the trope, at least when he was at his prime strength. My argument comes from the fact that, as a character, he was the right hand of the former strongest man, Gol D. Roger, and that he often leverages his reputation as a warrior of legendary renown to bluff enemies out of battles. While he's no longer at his peak, at one point he was decidedly in the running as being the strongest.
I also pointed out that the trope itself does not come from a defined character tier list, but rather, someone who is considered in story as being a contender for the strongest. Additionally, I noted that other characters (both in One Piece and not) have the trope applied to them despite there being other contenders for the title of "the" strongest.
What are everyone's thoughts on the matter?
Edited by WindraysopenRedeem trope and in-universe YMMV or trivia tropes Anime
I'm searching for a trope where the finale of a show (in-universe btw, the series is about acting) basically was hated by the audience, but redeemed itself with a good final episode.
And since it's a show about acting, I found other tropes that would fit, if only they weren't marked as YMMV or trivia tropes. Can they still be added to the main page then, since they are in-universe?
openYGO Sevens Fridge removed by Jackpot for no obvious reason Anime
...Yeah, this again.
So I had put a bit of an expansion on a Fridge observation. This is an original.
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During Yuga and Luke’s duel near the end of the Team Battle Royal Arc, they both use an old card that perfectly reflects their character’s: Luke used Pot of Greed, which lets him draw two cards for no cost, reflecting his huge ego and desire to be the best either blinding him to the real problems the characters are facing, or directly contribute to them. Yuga used Graceful Charity, which lets him draw three cards, but then has to discard two for the cost, reflecting his selfless nature to make dueling enjoyable and making sacrifices to help others. This is further exemplified during the Goha Siblings Arc, where Luke sided with Yuo without any hesitation under the belief he was the sixth sibling, while Yuga, after defeating The☆Lukeman, negotiates with Yuo to reinstate his siblings as president in exchange for him working for Goha.
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This is what I added
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- This is not the only way of reflecting on their characteristics. Yuga's use of Graceful Charity allows him to set up long term strategies with the graveyard, such as Kuribot and massing Level 7 monsters for his trap cards, showing his strategic mindset. Meanwhile Luke's preference for more simple and straightforward strategies is shown by him just drawing two cards. He gets what he needs without any side effects or costs in a straightforward but effective manner.
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Jackpot removed it, and I have no idea why or for what. I don't see why as there are several tropes elsewhere in Sevens about how Yuga prefers more complicated strategies and Luke prefers simpler and straightforward ones and adding onto the above discussion with a second layer of how it reflects the two of them's preferences seems like it shouldn't be an issue. Expanding on fridge points with additional elements happens all the time, and I have no idea why Jackpot removed it.
Please assist.
(NOTE: I am specifically referring to the above Fridge. Jackpot's removed or messed with several edits of mine on other pages in both Sevens pages and Ladybug's fridge page recently, but I have discussions on their own pages about those incidents. This is specifically on this fridge issue only. Please keep it to this specific topic for Mod preferences).
Alleged Number1KirbyFan
openAccidentally messed up a page Anime
I was removing spoiler tags from TearJerker.Case Closed but something went wrong and there's a bunch of broken brackets in the page. I'm trying to fix my mistake myself but if a mod is reading this and can revert the edit then that would be helpful. Thanks
edit: fixed I think
Edited by N1KFopenMore of a correction Anime
I didn't feel comfortable changing it myself, but in the Art Shift entry for Megazone 23, it erroneously lists Haruhiko Mikimoto as the character designer for part 1. This is only true for the character, EVE. Despite the very similar art style, the other characters in Part 1 were designed by Toshihiro Hirano.
While not really an error per se, in the Gratuitous English entry, Shogo's SEX WAX jacket in Part 2 isn't actually Gratuitous English, it's an actual real-life American brand of surfboard wax produced in California!
open Bishonen Line Anime
The term Bishonen is used in the trope Bishonen Line but when I tried to search for the word Bishonen's definition itself, there was only the, uh, x-rated definition to be found. Is it the same word repurposed, or am I searching incorrectly?
openNo Title Anime
(Medium listed as Anime as the page involved is in that medium, although the question itself is medium-neutral)
The question is: Can pages be split based on YMMV tropes?
Specifics: Characters.Detective Conan One Scene Wonders is relatively old; it was first created as a folder within Characters.Detective Conan and later split into a separate article, together with other content, in 2012. While as a Long Runner, Detective Conan has a large amount of One-Scene Wonder examples, OSW is a YMMV trope. So, is it appropriate to keep that page as is, or should I re-organize it, or at least, rename it?
openHelp needed in adding fic recommendations for both Skip Beat and Samurai Deeper Kyo Anime
I have many fics I would like to suggest to the pages for Skip Beat and Samurai Deeper Kyo but I am a new user (just signed up two days ago) and don't know the ropes here yet. I'm sorry if I'm committing a faux pas in the process.
Here are the fics I would like to recommend.
Skip Beat:
1. Crimson Thread by Blushweaver
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12906378/1/Crimson-Threads
To help combat Japan's plummeting birth rates, the government has made marriage mandatory by age 25. Those who do not comply with the new mandate will suffer a crippling tax hike. If you're having trouble finding the perfect partner, the government pays for new hopefuls to attend a dating retreat where they spend a month with other suitors.
2. The Prince's Concubine by Blushweaver
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11013810/1/The-Prince-s-Concubine
In the desert kingdom of Ashuron, Kyoko Mogami, an aspiring physician, has put herself in quite the predicament. She has managed to anger the first prince, Kuon Hizuri, who won't forgive her unless she becomes the newest member of his harem. How will Kyoko adjust to her new station? An epic tale of revenge, magic, betrayal, and love. AU
This is an Alternative Universe
3. How to Train your Fairy by Daamile
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13041761/1/How-To-Train-Your-Fairy
In the far lands of the Takarada Kingdom, Kyoko The Plain finds herself pursuing a fairy to become a princess. Capturing a fairy grandfather was just the first of many mistakes. How To Train your Dragon book adaptation AU.
4. The Little Prince by Fae 206
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12540293/1/The-Little-Prince
Alternative Reality Fic: When ten year old Kuon is hospitalized after attempting to 'fly' solo, the Hizuri family decides to stay in Kyoto until Kuon has recovered. This leads to the six year old Kyoko finding out the true identity and becoming closer with her fairy prince. What happens when Kyoko is drawn more towards Kuon than even Shou? Especially when a new crush is involved?
All of these fics are not yet completed.
Samurai Deeper Kyo:
1. Midori No Me by vegita-dias
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/2002494/1/Midori-No-Me
What if...they met a different way? Would she still be able to love the true demon and would he allow himself such a luxury as love despite all odds? Kyo Yuya of course. SEQUEL IS UP!
2. Kurenai Kioku (The sequel to the above story)
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11379856/1/Kurenai-Kioku
After the events of Midori no Me, friends and family must regroup and get stronger. A clan must be overthrown, a wife must get her husband back and tame the monster within him. Along the way, there might just be love in the air between old companions and new friends.
I believe that these stories deserve its mention in its respective pages.
Thank you so much!
open Need help Finding Correct Trope Anime
There's a death trope I'm searching for, but I don't know the exact name and the index is huge, so I'm hoping someone here can help me out. It's where someone is afraid of dying. The closest one I've found is I Don't Want to Die, but according to the trope description, it only applies to heroic characters and is more about the phrase itself.
The one I'm looking for is for someone who's terrified of dying (almost as if it's a phobia), to the point of either thinking about it constantly, or spending most of/their entire lives doing everything they can to prolong their very existence. I need it so I can update the Kamigari character page for Maken-ki!. Any help would be appreciated.
Edited by MiinU

I like to know the reason why are the "fans" are so upset about something like this?
Franchise Original Sin: Kaguya and Shirogane having sex, played entirely for laughs was the last straw for many fans who were unhappy with the humor of the series gradually getting lewder, that the author had gone back on his word of the series not needing Fanservice to instead chase the lowest common denominator. Actually, the early series was hardly 100% clean and wholesome—for instance, a fan favorite gag from the first few chapters revolves around Kaguya struggling not to laugh whenever she hears a word she mistakes to mean "penis"—but in those early jokes the sexual content were framing devices for the actual jokes, based more on character personality: in that case, the actual punchline was seeing the normally stoic Kaguya degenerating into giggling fits about something that really shouldn't be so funny to anyone above elementary school-age. Later jokes dismiss with that and just have the sex itself be the joke—an early foreshadowing to the Kaguya/Shirogane joke that pissed the fanbase off can be found in the Running Gag concerning Tsubasa and Nagisa's relationshipnote specifically, that they're always barely able to avoid being caught having sex in public.
If anything, be feeling honest, there's absolutely nothing wrong about them having sex even if its played for humor. Please give me a proper explanation?
Edited by Droid098