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openWrong trope namespace?
While cleaning up a work, I run into an entry on the main page called Associated Composer. The trope description says that it's a subtrope of a Trivia trope, and the trope itself talks about behind-the-scenes work.
By all rights, it should be Trivia, but instead it's on the "Main" namespace.
Edited by Lermis
Pls stop calling everything Harsher In Hindsight
openRequesting assistance with cleaning up the Series/BigBrother pages Live Action TV
So... I'm not sure this is the place to bring this up (I don't use forums much if ever), but I've been meaning to for a while now...
I edit for the show Survivor a lot, and someone brought up the point that you aren't really supposed to bring real life into reality tv shows.
This is a bit of an issue where Big Brother is concerned. I am mainly referring to the U.S versions, as they are the bulk of what's discussed.
On top of that, a lot of the entries are what people call... bad. Many entries are blatantly written during the season, with tense not being updated in the slightest, and a wholeeeeeee lotta entries are just wrong, particularly audience reactions.
I'd fix this myself but
1) I do not watch or even have the capability of watching Big Brother, and am restricted to what the wiki + internet will tell me (which is not all that much) + what is blatantly wrong (which is a lot).
2) New stuff keeps getting added and I can't keep up.
3) Some of the stuff that sounds too ridiculous and/or conspiratorial to be factually accurate is actually correct. For example, these:
- Creator's Pet: Frankie of 16. They even delayed a challenge for a couple of hours to save him from elimination.Broken Base: Is Big Brother 21 a good season? Due to the unique combination of having one of the worst pre-jury sessions in the history of the show, along with a great jury phase where nearly every pre-jury villain got what was coming to them week after week, only to end with the season's unofficial heroes getting evicted just before the finale for the season's Manipulative Bastard to win, and then promptly get called out on his racist behavior... yeah, Big Brother 21 is polarizing, to say the least.
To give an idea of some of the issues happening here, I'm gonna post some images.

- Just blatant misuse here, though I do wonder where it goes (Julie Chen is the show's host)Click if you need to see the transcript Big "OMG!": A few days before Double Eviction night, CBS Chairman Les Moonves - Julie Chen's husband - was fired in the wake of several accusations of sexual harassment against him. At the conclusion of DE night, Julie signed off using her married surname for the first time in the show's history. Within the hour, Twitter exploded.

- This is somehow an Adorkable entryClick if you need to see the transcript Raven is very lovable and dorky and she's also the type to get easily excited over things. She shows to be enthusiastic and perky come every eviction vote with Julie. Raven was also the one who wanted temporary tattoos after the "Inked & Evicted" challenge ended. Her showmance partner Matt chose a temptation where he was made to dress as a ballerina. Raven is a dance teacher, so, naturally, after the challenge ends, he gave his tutu for her to wear for fun. However, her adorable personality is later on tainted and viewed in a more negative light as she reveals that underneath her cutesy persona, there lies a very nasty and violent personality. She's not as cute when she's bullying people or exploding in anger at others. The fact that she constantly embellishes stuff about her real life does not make her the least bit endearing.

- Under Critical DissonanceClick if you need to see the transcript Season 20. Fans love it because it's gotten back to unpredictable gameplay, but there's a lot of ego in the house this season and controversial behavior both on the televised episodes and especially on the live feeds.

- Under Never Live It DownClick if you need to see the transcript Averted - Jade Goody would have never lived down the bullying of Shilpa Shetty in Celebrity Big Brother or her stints on the previous Big Brothers if she were still alive. Which is, in hindsight... very saddening. Goody's vile behavior was punished on the most extreme level- her body withered and developed terminal cervical cancer. She spent one month married to fellow houseguest Jack Tweed. And what makes this so eerie is that Goody developed this cancer when she appeared on the Indian version of Big Brother, Bigg Boss... after she previously harassed an Indian actress... two days into the playing.....almost as though she fell victim to a spiteful Indian curse coming onto that show.

- Deleted this example of The Scrappy already, but it's a worth posting as an example because it has pretty much everything you shouldn't do.Click if you need to see the transcript Swaggy C is hated for being an arrogant douche 90% of the time, and showmancing Bayleigh 10% of the time. As soon as that guy opened his mouth he quickly became one of the most disliked African American contestants in a VERY long time. Though like Rachel he did get some woobie points after revealing his backstory where his mom left him at three years old, and his dad died when he was in high school. He even got a Take That, Scrappy! from Julie Chen who showed him his intro video showing he didn't want to be seen as the jerky, smug, alliance leader. He's also a sore loser given that he refuses to talk to Tyler the one who orchestrated his backdoor on the outside.
And thennnnn there's the Character pages, which consist of pretty much everything the viewers want them to.
I seriously have no idea what goes into character pages normally, but I'm pretty sure it ain't any of this.

- (Also contains speculation and assumptions)Click if you need to see the transcript Too Dumb to Live: Why did Derrick choose to become aligned so close with Cody? Because Cody's too stupid to think Derrick could possibly be a threat. He's thought of pretty much no major moves by himself. To wit: Cody won an early Head of Household. He used it to target Brittany, who had no intention of getting him out. He never stopped to question whether or not she'd actually target him. Joined in on voting out a lot of people who would have taken him further in the game like Christine and Nicole. Not once stopped to think that Derrick had never faced the block until the final 50 minutes of the game, missing the obvious red flag of that and how he was just following Derrick's word. When confronted with the chance to bring Victoria, who would have gotten him a guaranteed win, to the finals, he chose to take Derrick. Guess who won?

- The What An Idiot page for this show is somehow nicer than the character page.Click if you need to see the transcript Idiot Hero: Cody comes across as one of the dumber and less intelligent houseguests of the season. He has proven time and time again that he is not smart in terms of strategy and he strongly depends on Derrick in the strategic department. Cody won the Final HOH of the season, which meant that he was able to choose or decide who he wanted to take to the Final 2 with him. His options were either the biggest threat and most dangerous player in the game yet his closest ally and friend (Derrick) or the most useless, terrible player in the game who is considered to be the ultimate floater who got dragged to the end but whom Cody doesn't personally like (Victoria). Who does Cody ultimately end up choosing to take to the Final 2 with him? That's right. DERRICK. Cody actually took Derrick, the most dangerous player in the entire game, to the Final 2, somewhat feeling confident that he could beat him, instead of actually taking Victoria, the ultimate goat, someone whom he 100% knows he could have beaten. When it came time for the jury to ask the two of them questions, Cody was both shocked and surprised to hear how the jury really viewed him, which was basically as Derrick's loyal lapdog or puppy. It was at that point that Cody realized that he made a half a million dollar mistake and realized that he had no shot at beating Derrick. Cody ended up losing to Derrick in a near unanimous 7-2 jury vote. Cody, did anyone tell you that Big Brother isn't about loyalty when you get to the Final 3 and even more, the Final 2? You're in a game to win $500,000! What. an. idiot.

- Click if you need to see the transcript Bait the Dog: Frankie appeared as though he would be a likeable, upbeat and happy gay houseguest. Turns out that he is really extremely narcissistic, hateful, vile, attention seeking, and self absorbed. Shouldn't we have all remembered Andy from last season?


- Click if you need to see the transcript Jerkass: Mixed with Bait the Dog - it starts off as a nice and well-mannered house, but once Paul enters the fray, all hell breaks loose. It also rivals BB 15's rotten apple cast. Big Brother 15 gave us bigot city, Big Brother 19 gives us Spoiled Brat city mixed with Crazytown. All the thoroughly nice people except for Kevin (and arguably Mark) are gobbled up before the game reaches the halfway point. So many of them are gonna have to go into hiding post-season and freeze out their detractors on social media. If your name isn't Cameron, Megan (Public service announcement: please don't harass the PTSD sufferer, or you're scum), Jillian, Dominique, Ramses, or Kevin, you gunna get it!

- Good lord this is long...Click if you need to see the transcript The Bully: Many of the houseguests used intimidation tactics and bullying to further their games. But this had more to do with having a group or mob mentality more than anything else. Houseguests such as Paul, Alex, Christmas, Josh, Cody, Jessica, and Raven had no problem partaking in the bullying of other houseguests which caused a lot of animosity and tension to rise in the house. Paul was the centrepiece of pretty much all of the bullying in the house as he was the one who was encouraging and inciting it for the most part. His targets were primarily Cody and Jessica, but he would also use other houseguests such as Josh to also bully them as well. Cody and Jessica bullied people such as Christmas, Alex, Paul, and Josh at various points in the game. Cody verbally attacked and physically threatened Paul after he had nominated him in Week 5. Cody also bullied Josh in Week 6 that he was going to physically beat up Josh outside of the house and make his life a living Hell. Jessica also did her fair share of bullying when she humiliated Josh in front of everyone after not voting to keep Jillian by calling him a crybaby victim. Josh ended up crying hysterically afterwards and the other houseguests had to comfort him. Jessica also personally attacked Josh numerous times by fat shaming him (calling him fat ass, widdle-waddle, fat f-ck, etc) and insulting his intelligence by calling him a moron and the dumbest person she's ever met. This also resulted in Josh crying and the houseguests having to comfort and support him. Christmas also did her fair share of bullying but most of it was towards Cody and Josh. She attacked Cody by calling him a disgraceful marine and questioning has military service. And Christmas would also act as a Big Sister Bully to Josh whenever he ended up doing something that she didn't like or approve of. Alex bullied people like Jessica, Cody, Elena and Kevin unnecessarily. She constantly bashed them behind their back and antagonized them by starting fights and conflicts with them. Josh also frequently resorted to using intimidation and bullying towards other houseguests such as Cody, Mark, Elena, Kevin, Jessica. He has personally attacked all of them, insulted them and has resorted to banging pots and pans in their faces in order to torment them all while singing a circus tune. Raven also got into the mob mentality of bullying when she yelled and attacked Jessica by calling her endless derogatory names and consistently cursing at her and Cody during the house fight that took place in Week 5. At some point, everyone has come across as a bully and this is definitely a season where bullying took centre stage in the game. The last recent season to showcase bullying to this strength was Big Brother 15.
openEdit war about Ultimate Punisher
The character page for the comic book "The Ultimates" here has an entry about Punisher. There was an entry that said "This version of the Punisher doesn't have any of his 616 counterpart's self-control and moral compass, which leads to him being constantly at odds with the Ultimates and Spider-Man." It was added by Good Gamer 14 as Anti-Villain, and then changed by Chrononaut 70 to Adaptational Villainy.
I removed it as misuse. The Punisher has been changed very little (if at all) between original and adaptation. In both cases we talk about a cold and stoic vigilante that kills petty criminals with no remorse and with extreme prejudice. The only "self-control" and "moral compass" is that he only kills criminals and not innocent people; again, that is true to both versions. Still, this put him at odds with heroes with a Thou Shalt Not Kill code... again, in both versions.
Good Gamer 14 added it again, this time saying this: "This Punisher is way more insane than his 616 counterpart, with him being introduced as a raving psycho during Ultimate Spider-Man. This became more notable when he killed his 616 counterpart during Secret Wars (2015)." Oh, that changes everything! Ultimate Punisher killed the Punisher of another universe! But wait... the original killed three knock-offs of himself in Welcome Back, Frank, and recently tried to kill the Cosmic Ghost Rider (a Frank Castle of another timeline, who was turned into a Ghost Rider, an herald of Galactus and a servant of Thanos and loads of other crazy stuff) when he knew that there was another Frank Castle in town. I would say "again, in both versions", but it's getting repetitive.
openDoes this qualify as a TropeBreaker Film
Upon rewatching The Mist, I've realised something. The entire premise of the evil cult that forms through the story and preaching of their leader hinge almost entirely on the fact the story is set in place with Protestant majority and the concept of predestination is not only a tenant, but actively used, both for the story itself and the in-story cult. If the story was set in any other background, the entire premise of the cult as "God will only save a handful of chosen ones, and everyone not worthy will go straight to hell, so prove your worth" falls flat on its face, because it just won't work out if you don't, say, have the story set in Maine.
But does it qualify if the location or social background of the story was changed as a Trope Breaker? I was thinking about this exact same story playing out in my own country, which is Catholic, and the type of person that's best described as a local equivalent of a fundie. And they would preach completely different things - assuming they wouldn't just blame it on Jews, then simply pray in the corner to pass time, which would be far more likely than anything else.
openTheoretically infinite game troping
I've been editing AI Dungeon 2 lately, and the game is almost entirely AI-generated. I'm only troping what the AI outputs, and not any of my actions or such. For examples, see Shaped Like Itself and Mundane Made Awesome. Since this is a theoretically infinite game, is this okay? Should it be restricted to only common habits that the AI has?
openIs there a way of removing an ATT thread?
My last thread was... embarrassing and I'm feeling pretty bad about asking in the first place, since it ended up seeming like I was requesting people edit a page I could do myself. I've had a clean history here and I don't want that affecting me.
openEdit Warring on YMMV/Overlord2012 Anime
Leonidaz made some edits to the Overlord (2012) page on roughly 1/12.
- Memetic Badass: Ainz Ooal Gown is regarded as one of the most overpowered, invincible and badass villains and protagonists in Isekai history. An unusual case in that Ainz is indeed invencible and in-universe everybody regards him as the ultimate superior being, but in reality Ainz is far from being the unbeatable badass everyone thinks he is, he is just lucky to always meet foes weaker or dumber than him.
- Rooting for the Empire: It's rather hard to root for Ainz and the rest of the gang when they act like your typical Fantasy JRPG villains. The fact that they easily steamroll through any obstacle or foe, all the while acting over the top arrogant and snide at the other races and people around them does not help matters. You WISH the antagonist of the arc would actually smack the smirks right off of their faces just for a change of pace (though a bunch of them, such as the Eight Fingers, are even worse than them). The Tomb of Nazarick's over the top entrance and sadistic subjugation of the Lizardfolk (a peaceful community they went to war with just as an "experiment") has been seen as rather infuriating for readers. Though, after they were conquered, Ainz then ordered Cocytus to rule over them with the carrot and not the stick, showing that he's not a total sadist. However, Ainz later unleashed five abominations on a huge, mostly conscript, army and showed nothing but glee towards breaking the record of how many monsters were summoned at once, not even feeling anything about all those who his summoned monstrosities slaughtered. And then there's everything about Demiurge's "livestock". Seriously, many fans of Overlord would want a crossover with other series just so Ainz could face a challenge and be defeated JUST ONCE.
- Spiritual Adaptation: If you unfocus your eyes, you can almost convince yourself you’re watching an anime adaptation of Den.
- That One Boss: For the Great Underground Tomb of Nazarick this title can easily be assigned to Victim, Guardian of the 8th Level. The irony of it all is that Victim is only level 35 and the weakest Guardian. His power comes from being able to sacrifice himself, which causes an onslaught of crippling status debuffs and movement lockdown effects, allowing the rest of Nazarick's forces to kill the invaders at their leisure. To emphasise this point; no Raid Party in Yggdrasil had ever gotten past it.
I removed the areas marked in bold, Spiritual Adaptation, and That One Boss because of the nature of these edits.
- Memetic Badass not only had misspelling, but it also reads as a Justifying Edit and conflicts with the trope.
- Rooting for the Empire has an unnecessary point at the end and has no reason to be there.
- Spiritual Adaptation reads as a ZCE since it doesn't explain how it is one.
- That One Boss is being used for an In-Universe example, so it doesn't make sense to include it.
After removing them on 1/13, said troper returned and added them back in without a message. I sent them a message notifying them I would be making this.
Edited by keyblade333openIssue notifier link.
I sent a troper a grammar issue notifier a few days ago, and they just messaged me back that the included link didn't work. I followed the link myself and found that yeah, it leads to a 404 error.
Edited by SammettikopenJerks Are Worse Than Villains- Order Of The Stick
Found this massive rambly example on Jerks Are Worse Than Villains and I'm, uh...not sure what to do with it.
- Author Rich Berlew deconstructs this trope more than a few times in The Order of the Stick. The main example is that with Xykon, the series' Big Bad. While he has plenty of humorous line and charismatic (appropriately enough, he's an epic-level Sorcerer and thus, would have high Charisma), the author works to ensure that he never becomes a Draco in Leather Pants or Laughably Evil. For Xykon, it's the fact that at his core, he's just an older and undead version of that sort of creepy kid who always derived sadistic pleasure from ripping wings off of flies or frying ants with a magnifying glass. He just now applies the same to a much broader group because of his power, relishes in being evil and has no standards in it (outside of engaging in a physical relationship with a living being, though that's because he's not a "digusting biophiliac" and thus more a matter of "grossness" than moral quandry). He discusses this in Start of Darkness, which served as his and Redcloak's backstories:
Rich Burlew: Writing a story centered around your main antagonist is sort of difficult, because you risk "devillainifying" them. Yes, I just made that word up. What I mean though, is that once an audience has read all about a character's life, with all of their personal struggles and trials and tribulations and such, it's more difficult to see the character as the Big Bad. My challenge here was to tell the story of Xykon's life without making Xykon even slightly sympathetic. I mean, he's wholly and unapologetically Evil, but more to the point, he's kind of a dick.
- Miko Miyazaki plays with this, as part of an experiment with Berlew on whether he could make a Lawful Good paladin an antagonist to the group. He does so by her being a Well-Intentioned Extremist, who's extensive devotion has led her to becoming isolated from most of everyone (her only friend is her steed Windtriker) which just leads her to focus only on her mission. She dies a fallen Paladin who's inteferrence was a large blow to the good guys and the founding spirit of her order tells her that she did not earn her redemption, but her attempt at something means she might reunite with Windstriker. She manages to have some touching last words before dying.
- General Tarkin meanwhile was made to be her Foil. He is shown to be a Crazy-Prepared Genre Savvy Lawful Evil individual who presents himself as a Noble Demon and shares many of the endearing similarties as his son, Elan does. However, he is still a villan and it becomes clear that he's a very selfish and self-centered individual who's morality runs more on using tropes in a traditional sense. He has trouble accepting he isn't in charge. He shows little to no remorse when he kills his other son in Nale, who he raised to be villainous, though he also notes he did it to avenge his best friend Malack and Nale's own pride did him in there because he had to be dumb enough to brag about it. Then he goes off the deep end and shows how ruthless he is to force Elan into what he thinks the proper roles should be and he's disregarded as such an Arc Villain rather than the Big Bad he thinks he is. While Miko is introduced disdainfully yet there is tragedy in her parting, Tarkin is introduced affably and with good reputation, but by the end, his igoble defeat where he is left impotent is a large Catharsis Factor.
- Tsukiko may be this too. Appearing first in March 2007, she is a Parody Sue with plenty of Common Mary Sue Traits: Heterochromatic eyes, great beauty, skimpy clothing, unusually skilled for her young age, Japanese name meaning "moon child", believing she was oppressed (mainly because of her necrophilia). Given how she came out when Twilight was at its peak (just before the films though when the books were being completed), the implications are there. She shows advancements toward Xykon, little respect toward Redcloak (though given how she was initially decent with him and he brushed her off when she notified she was employed before leaving her to be killed by his chlorine elemental, not surprising in retrospect) and no one misses her when she's gone, except the Monster in the Darkness, who laments that all she wanted was someone to care for her and the fact no one did added to the tragedy. Berlew notes her creation of undead who will do what she wants and say what she wants to hear is a way to stay in her own litle world anod have to not deal with others. This was the result of her being hurt by a lot of people in the past.
Indentation issue aside, it bills itself as a "deconstruction", but this is YMMV.
Most of this seems to be added by DVB.
Edited by WarJay77openViewing content violation reports requires being signed in
Why is content violation reports
only visible to known tropers? Only P5 members can do anything on the content violation reports page anyway; pages are reported by clicking the "Report Page" button in the sidebar on the page itself.
openWill This Film Have It's Own Page? Film
Will Nature Unleashed: Volcano (The Volcano Disaster 2005) have it's own page like most films? I've always wondered and originally I wanted to make the page myself, but I'm not that great with tropes and have only have done small additions and edits to a few films so far (even though I come to Tvtropes almost everyday to view tropes, pages, and films that I like so I can have some good laughs and make some stories and novels of my own with those tropes).
openTime Paradox Ghostwriter
I have, on occasion, tried to add tropes to Time Paradox Ghostwriter that were a bit more critical of the series. Most of my edits have been undone by Fishysaur for various reasons. Some of the reasons made sense, I am admittedly not that great of a troper. Others kind of sound like he's Willfully Blind to the series' faults. To avoid things escalating into a full-on edit war, I have not confronted him (outside of a discussion thread from months ago), and have not reversed any of his edits.
- I added Mis-blamed, mentioning the popular claim that the "plagiarism controversy" was the sole reason it got cancelled despite there being other things about it that could have contributed to its failure, citing a video by Replay Value that breaks it down. fishysaur removed it because it was "just 'fans are wrong for liking it'", which wasn't what I wrote at all.
- EDIT: This was misuse, my mistake. I also forgot bringing it up before. Like I said, not a great troper.
- Under They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot, I added how the series didn't even attempt to go further into the future Jump issues, specifically citing how the Author Comments could have played a role. fishysaur removed it because it was "pretending to do things a Cut Short series couldn't have done", but there's no actual reason why the series couldn't at least broach the subject earlier.
- I added Broken Aesop (first on the YMMV page itself, which was my mistake, and then on the trope page), citing how Teppei's message for Aino (it's impossible to create a manga the whole world can enjoy) at the end might have come off as hollow due to White Knight never being criticized in-universe. fishysaur removed it in both places, the first time expressing confusion over how I got that Aesop, and the second time denying that the Aesop was in the story at all. (The fact that he knew to look for it on the trope page indicates that he might be stalking my edits.)
Apologies for the long post. I acknowledge that it could very well be me who's in the wrong.
Edited by MaximumBurninationopenBrewing Edit War: Self Rpeorting Anime
There are some issues ongoing in the https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/YuGiOhSEVENS
page revolving around the Broken Base entry. Namely about the use of a 'repetitive duels' part of the B.B.
Main argument point being my 'this is what people are saying in reaction the duels' versus 'repetitive duels are hardly just Sevens'.
It's going back and forth at this point between myself and Jackpot 21 and should probably get a intervention sooner rather than later.
openOvershadowedByControversy about a (real life) person -- kosher?
So, the Depp/Heard domestic violence thing again popped up. This was added to Johnny Depp 's Creator page:
- Overshadowed by Controversy: This has been the case for him since the allegations of abuse between him and Amber Heard (both claiming that the other is the abusive one while they only acted in self-defense), as he's been in the news much more for his court battles than for his movies. He was eventually dropped from the third Fantastic Beasts movie after he lost his libel lawsuit against The Sun for calling him a "wifebeater."
Can Overshadowed by Controversy even be added to a character (or actually a real person, in this case), isn't it only about works?
It's a YMMV so it also triggered the warning icon.
openVideo example messup Web Original
Hey, so I uploaded a video example for Self-Destruct Mechanism (yes it's 3 am and I'm hyperfixating on The Final Minutes, if you want to know) and I just now realized that the video cropper I used completely cut out the entire countdown sequence and only shows the aftermath. Is there a way that the upload can be denied or something and I can re-upload a better video (with the actual sequence)?
openEdit War; self-reporting
Self reporting that ~St Fan and I have gotten into an Edit War (specifically on Fishbowl Helmet, but probably on others as well). I'm crosswicking examples from a Magazine, so I checked Media Categories, which doesn't have a category which fits, so I created a folder based on the namespace. Checking the history because it feels familiar, I find that St Fan has been changing the folders to say Print Media, which also isn't on Media Categories, but encompasses Comic Books and Literature in addition to Magazines.
So wiki consensus; which folder name is the correct one to use? Which one should be added to Media Categories?
openHostile edit reasons from troper. Videogame
On 1/01 Mr Heroes added the following meme to the Fate/Grand Order meme page:
- Muramasa is ShirouExplanation While he takes Shirou's form, Muramasa isn't Shirou. A running gag is having Muramasa mistaken/called Shirou, which is popular with fan artists.
On 1/04, Rebel Falcon removed it with an unusually hostile edit reason spread across a few minutes:
- "For the last time, Muramasa is Shiro. Muramasa is a Pseudo-Servant using Shiro as his host, and his bio quite literally says that Shiro's personality is the dominant one. He doesn't simply look like Shiro, he is Shiro."
- Saying Muramasa isn't Shiro is like saying Ishtar isn't Rin, or Jaguar Warrior isn't Taiga, or Ganesha isn't Jinako. It's literally their bodies and personalities, its just some have themselves in the drivers seat, some have the spirit, and some fuse together. Bottom line though, Muramasa is fucking Shiro Emiya.
Now in the first instance, this was done because it appears Rebel may have submitted their edit early, cutting off the message as the first of three edits has this edit reason: For the last time, ''Muramasa is Shiro".
However, the third entry was made after the second, more detailed one, and was close to ten minutes later. The meme itself is probably fine being removed but the edit reason is very hostile and leaves me concerned since this is something I've noticed seems to be a recent trend of there's.
For example, on the RWBY page, they readded an entry on 1/03 that was removed with the following edit reason: "Don't remove shit without giving a reason."
I've not had much interaction with Rebel except for once but I wanted to mention it since this hostility is concerning. Not to suspend them concern, more so just a "Hey, everything okay?" kind of concern.
Edited by keyblade333openWeird page organization
Curse Cut Short's subpages are organized not by media, but by type ( Another Character Interrupts, Self-Interruption, Cut to Another Scene, etc). It has no on-page examples that don't fit these internal subtropes. Some pages are so short, like CurseCutShort.Episode Begins, that I don't see why they even need their own page. There's also a page for CurseCutShort.Sound Effect Bleep...even though Sound-Effect Bleep is its own trope.
Is this okay or should we re-organize it? I know there was a trope organized similarly that was brought here a while ago, though I forgot the name.
openExpanding tropes on Insomniac's Spider-Man Videogame
Hey, guys, I realise that this message is more appropriate in a videogame forum or the like, which is where I did originally send it, but I have decided to post it here as well since I have not been garnering any responses from the videogame's forum.
So I recently added some tropes which I think apply to Insomniac's Spider-Man, Manchild, Motor Mouth, Pop-Cultured Badass and Thou Shall Not Kill, onto his folder, but can't expand upon them (as I'm a relatively inexperienced editor and have yet to write up my first official example), so if someone could please maybe write up something on my behalf, I'd very much appreciate it.
To get anyone going, here's some info you can consider and use when writing up some descriptions for these tropes.
- For Manchild, maybe someone could mention his endearingly narrating his own adventurers as Spider-Cop, constant wisecracking, etc, throughout Spider-Man PS4. And Silver Sable lampshading "You are a child." when he enthusiastically helps her calibrate her hovercraft towards the end of the Silver Lining DLC could also be noted.
- For Motor Mouth, this particular exchange between Spidey and Shocker when the former apprehends the latter's bank robbery attempt during the mission "Financial Shock" can be considered. Here's a 41 second clip of the exchange if you wanna watch it.
Spider-Man: Remember our first fight? Me, so young and stupid. You, just stupid. Shocker: You talk too much! Spider-Man: Well, that's a matter of opinion. I mean, are there any standard metrics for how much talking one should do? And who determines the ideal ratio of talking versus not-talking? Also, how would you measure it? Words per minute? Syllables per second? Or is it more about how many words one uses to express a single thought? It's all so subjective. If you ask me, some people don't talk enough. Like about who their mysterious overlord is, the person they're working for, that kinda thing. Shocker: [goaded past endurance] SHUT UP!- Of course, there are other moments where he just prattles on (even if he doesn't talk particularly fast-paced) and Silver Sable has asked him to shut up a couple times during the Silver Lining DLC. However, it may need to be noted that he tends to do this during story campaign, as outside-story gameplay, he's obviously quiet (I'm not quite sure what the trope for this is or if there's even a trope for this, maybe Gameplay and Story Segregation?) but you guys can write it however way you like, doesn't matter to me.
- For Pop-Cultured Badass, much like his MCU counterpart, Spidey makes a number of references to pop culture, of which I've compiled a list.
- Spidey greets Vulture with a friendly "Yo, Adrian!" While the Vulture yells at him to quit babbling, Electro actually responds by telling Spidey that he must break him in a strong Russian accent, much to the web-head's delight.
- Upon being attacked by Sable's jetpack troops and learning from Yuri that the mercenaries have declared martial law on the city in light of the Sinister Six's actions, Spider-Man asks if anyone else besides him is getting a Nineteen Eighty-Four vibe from the whole situation.
- When Sable Agents respond to Spider-Man fighting criminals, Spider-Man reacts by referencing a line from Milkshake
, with "milkshake" exchanged for "web."
- During a Maggia car chase, Spider-Man references It's Raining Men
.
- While going through one of Hammerhead's bases, Spider-Man says the line "Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh My!" from The Wizard of Oz
.
- When talking about his "Spider-Cop" persona, Peter at one point says "Part man, part spider, all cop."
- During a side mission stopping the Demons' car while they have an armed bomb, Spidey may randomly say that it reminds him a lot of "that movie with the bomb on the bus," though he can't quite remember its name.
- A very subtle one occurs during the Midtown Research Mission "Chemical Leak". He follows the trail and in three separate spots he finds traces of mercury, nitric acid, and ethanol then wonders why that sounds familiar. It's familiar because that's the chemical combination used by none other than Heisenberg, the kingpin of Albuquerque drug crime himself, to blow a hole in a building during the first season of Breaking Bad.
- One type of random side mission has thugs pinning down cops with sniper rifles. After beating one, Spidey might quip that it feels like a new-age western, then say, "Yippee kiyay, mother-spider."
- When Spidey stops said heist, he quips, "I love it when a plan falls apart."
- When Spidey infiltrates an abandoned warehouse at the docks, he mentions this feels like a horror movie and asks if there are any fishermen with a grudge and a hook for a hand.
- In the Sable Lookout Crime, one of Spider-Man's quips is asking the soldiers if they should call him by say... flashing a Spider Symbol in the sky but stops himself "before he gets sued."
- And for Thou Shall Not Kill, since Spider-Man has a no-kill policy, thugs that are thrown off roofs during combat will automatically be pulled to the nearest wall and appear webbed-up. He also cites his no-killing rule when discussing how to take down Hammerhead with Silver Sable towards the end of Silver Lining.
So that's that. I hope you more experienced and talented editors can cook up something special with all this info. Write however way you want, I'm just the guy supplying some background info, which I hope will be useful. :)
Edited by gothamarkhamlord

Right. So! On the 19th, I removed an "example" of UsefulNotes.Bisexual from Characters.The Fuzzy Princess as Useful Notes are not tropes. A day later, Mark Lungo added it back, knowingly starting an edit war over something incorrect (though he at least asked for a better solution). I only noticed this on the 22nd, so I sent him a PM restating that Useful Notes were not tropes, and that the character's bisexuality should be mentioned in her character description if it must be mentioned.
He does a burst of edits the following (aka this) morning. The characters page remains untouched, and my PM goes without a response.
So I did it myself, once again removing the bunk example and instead mentioning her being bi in her character description. I have been told multiple times that cleanup edits do not constitute as an Edit War, so I thought it was fine... but then I realized this could easily be interpreted as a Single-Issue Wonk, so I'm making this query ahead of time to clear things up.
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and Lungo's edit history