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openRemoving redlinks issue?
Troper NFSF1McLaren went into the page for The La's and removed several redlinks I had inserted into the page back several months ago. In some cases, it's okay to do, such as for the pothole I had created for the group's self-titled album. I had reverted some of these examples after ill-advisedly putting them in under circumstances like this one, but didn't catch them all.
But they also did so for a pop group name and ones I had done for three band members names and the album's producer, which I'm less sure about — especially given that they gave the edit reason as "Removed unused links." My understanding is that it's not okay to systematically strip out redlinks just because they're redlinks. Then again, I could be too fussy here on these specific examples.
Would appreciate some feedback on this. Thanks!
Edited by BoltDMCopen"The Pete Best" Trivia page -- Real Life folder and music entry
While looking at the Trivia entry The Pete Best, I noticed a couple things that look problematic. Specifically:
-the Real Life folder contains not just people, but inanimate objects such as record labels, geographical places, theme parks, locomotives, and letters of the English alphabet. Not only is it hard to see justification for the entries, am thinking this doesn't even apply to non-sentient beings.
-in the Music page
for this entry, there's a folder that says "Trope Namer." Rightly, it includes Pete Best himself, but it also contains an entry for Stuart Sutcliff, who was also an early member of The Beatles, but obviously isn't Pete Best himself. Am thinking this should be moved elsewhere (to the "B" folder).
Would appreciate feedback before acting on these two issues. Thanks!
openComplaining and speculation of the Holy Terror trivia page
I was looking at the trivia page for Holy Terror and noticed some examples that struck me as questionable:
- Divorced Installment: The story was originally meant to be a Batman story set in the "Millerverse" called Holy Terror, Batman!, a nod to Robin's "Holy (whatever!)" Mad Libs Catch Phrase from the '60s Batman series. (Miller was probably not aware of an Elseworlds tale already called Batman: Holy Terror.) Supposedly, Frank Miller decided to take the book to Legendary because he realized it was "not a Batman story" and the hero was "much closer to Dirty Harry than Batman". A much more popular theory is that DC Comics refused to let this be an actual Batman story, partially due to the fact that Bob Schreik (who had been pushing for Miller) had been laid off by DC and went over to Legendary. The last part is pure speculation. At the very least it could be rewritten to be less snarky.
- Lying Creator: Frank Miller stated he took Holy Terror to Legendary because it was "not a Batman story" (See Divorced Installment) However, when reading Holy Terror, it still shares much in common with Frank Miller's Batman works, from similar costume designs to characters resembling said works and even recurring tropes from his previous works. When the characters' outfits are basically Batman and Catwoman minus the ears, not-Catwoman even saves herself from a fall with claws in her gloves and talks about having nine lives, Donegal is a totally unaltered Jim Gordon, and we get post-meme-ASBAR-style spamming of the word "Goddamn," it's obvious that the Batman serial numbers were filed off very late in production. And again, throw in the fact that Miller moved when (and where) the guy pushing for the story did. This has led to the theory that Frank Miller lied and that DC refused to make it a Batman story. Again, this is speculation and comes off as creator bashing.
I get that Holy Terror is controversial, but that stuff is supposed to stay off the trivia page.
openPossible misuse of narm Live Action TV
The YMMV page of Superman & Lois has two entries of Narm, both from the pilot, which read:
- The dramatic intensity with which Clark confesses his origin story to Jon and Jordan can be so over-the-top in a "well, when you say it like that, this whole thing is actually pretty silly" kind of way. With the way it's played out, you'd almost expect for Clark to laugh and yell "just kidding!" instead of proving himself by lifting the truck.
- Nobody at the party noticing Jordan using his heat vision during the brawl, even though he's surrounded by dozens of people, some of whom are filming the brawl. Makes the emotional and shocking scene seem unintentionally comedic.
I have to ask, is this valid? Narm only applies for moments that are meant to be taken seriously but instead come off as hilarious, not moments that either fall flat or just don't have the intended effect.
openWhy are some tropers hesitant to launch pages?
This question is nothing more but curiosity.
I noticed that some drafts on the launch pad are very above the minimum requirements, but don't even have word of a launch date; Many examples enough to qualify, a pretty good draft, more than enough hats, proposed months or even years ago, etc. The requirements in theory seems pretty minimal, so in these cases what exactly is the problem?
I have zero intention to launch any of these myself, of course. Nor do I want to push any one in particular. Is there just some unwritten rule I'm not aware of?
Edited by PikaRoboopenEdit war(?)...in custom WikiWord display?
I have some concerns regarding the page Bug Fables. Right now it displays as Bug Fables: The Everlasting Sapling. What concerns me, however, is that the page name just uses two words: 'Bug Fables', and the custom display just changes the page name to the game's full title. And the thing that worries me even more is that this custom display was already used before some long time ago, and was, for some reason, got reverted back to just 'Bug Fables' at some point of time. And now, several days ago, it's back at 'Bug Fables: The Everlasting Sapling'. Also, it prompts people to wick the redirect to the work page instead of the work page itself, and it bugs me.
I'd like to ask: is this acceptable to have the full title as custom display when the link itself uses the shortened title? And does this fall under the definition of the "edit war"?
Hope my wording doesn't confuse you.
Edited by I--Vanya--IopenWhat to do with SelfDemonstrating/GLaDOS page?
Apparently a couple weeks back, a change was made to the smallcaps formatting to make it automatically line break whenever used. I have no opinion on that in particular, but it has the side effect of destroying the GLaDOS page, which used a huge amount of smallcaps formatting as part of the joke.
What's the best way to address fixing the page? It would be a massively tedious effort to fix by hand. It seems like it deserves a vote on what action to take, whether some kind of change, rewriting from scratch, or even deletion.
open ReedRichardsIsUseless misuse?
- Retroactively happens in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic during the events of The Cutie Re-Mark when Twilight Sparkle and Spike both travel into the "Changeling Resistance Timeline" where they enter an Equestria where Chrysalis was never defeated. Both come across a La Résistance led by Zecora who has with her a Salve that is designed to forcibly strip a Changeling of their disguise when applied, and the two of them never bothered to ask Zecora for a jar to take back to reverse-engineer, or a list of ingredients to help make some back in the main timeline, or even ask their own Zecora if it was possible to make it themselves. This ended up biting them in the ass when The Mane Six, Spike, The Royal Sisters, Cadence, Shining Armor, and Flurry Heart all get captured by the main timelines' Queen Chrysalis and replaced by Changelings two seasons later.
This was added by Ohvist, which I removed citing Twilight had a spell to remove changeling disguises meaning it would be unnecessary/not enough to prevent what happened. Ohvist added it back with the addition of "While it was shown that Twilight could dispell a disguised Changeling by herself without the salve back in the events of A Canterlot Wedding, it was only because she knew they were possible Changelings, and not every Unicorn would know how to master the spell, and it still leaves the Pegasi and Earth Ponies vulnerable since they cannot cast spells to begin with."
I still think it's misuse as Reed Richards Is Useless is about not using fantastical things for other mundane problems, this is not using the fantastical thing for the fantastical problem it was originally meant for. There's also a whole lot of speculation or debatability with it (the salve would only be useful if one suspected one of being a changeling which wouldn't have avoided this as they figured it out on their own and the plot was rescuing them, we don't know how they were captured in the first place or any limitations of the salve, maybe Zecora couldn't develop the salve without changeling magic to practice with) I'm not sure if it's valid to move to another trope like Forgotten Phlebotinum. Should this be cut and/or moved to Head Scratchers?
openOutdated Foreign-Language Trope Pages
While doing some TRS Wick Cleaning for Boat Lights, I found a wick on the index of Spanish-language pages. It appears that many of those pages were never properly connected to the English-language version of the page, so TRS changes like making a page definition-only missed the Spanish version. For example, the Spanish-language page for Panty Shot (Es/Pantaletazo) still lists examples while the English-language version cut and forbade them.
Another example is Boat Lights (primary name Mismatched Eyes, now a disambiguation for various different-eyes tropes); the Spanish version (Luces De Semaforo) is still a trope with a description and examples.
I have posted in the Translation Efforts
thread about this (since I speak hardly any Spanish myself), and I've started connecting the Spanish pages to their English versions. Is there anything else that could/should be done?
openAre we allowed to link to fan translations
I decided to clean up a No Export for You entry for Valkyria Chronicles III for being complainy, but I'm not too sure about leaving links to fan translations. Don't we typically don't allow that?
The entry in question:
- Unfortunately Valkyria Chronicles III will never see the light outside Japan as a PSP game. This is mainly due to Sega's decision shoot itself in the foot by making the sequel a PSP game instead of a PS3 game like the original. The original sold better in the West than in Japan (due in part to the PS3's international popularity), but since the PSP was thriving in Japan but dying in the West, the game sold poorly outside of the Japanese market. Poor foreign sales led to Sega deciding not to export Valkyria Chronicles 3. Thankfully, the PSP's region-free nature makes it easy to import the game, and an English patch is available here http://vc3translationproject.wordpress.com/about/
openIs there an Alternative Character Interpretation cleanup?
Title is self-explanatory but I'll explain anyway. Alternative Character Interpretation an item that is very susceptible to shoehorning, and often attracts exaggeration along the lines of Ron the Death Eater and Draco in Leather Pants. One page that reeks of this is AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.Bo Jack Horseman, which was created by a troper who had a problem with complaining and has a lot of rambling about interpretations I've never heard from any other fan of the show. Is there a cleanup thread to discuss certain examples that might be too farfetched to make sense, are the opinion of a single fan, etc?
Edited by mightymewtronopen More on... A Serbian Film
Yeah, remember everyone's favourite Torture Porn documentary?
It turns out while the main page itself is left intentionally blank for a decade due to controversial content, there is still a Sandbox page for this film (EDIT: Over here). Which kind of defeats the purpose of... uh, NOT allowing the page in the first place?
What to do about this?
Edited by RobertTYLopen Does mere possibility of disagreement make something YMMV?
Edited title. I'll get the answer to this question and then proceed with specifics in Trope Talk.
Edited by AGuy
openSafe to recreate cut page for a Cars game? Videogame
This is kind of a silly question, but I'm here to ask if it's okay to recreate Cars: Race-O-Rama, the page for a semi-obscure tie-in game for Pixar's Cars. It was apparently cut for reading "Like a Wikipedia summary of the games" and not actually listing any tropes.
Since the issue seems to be that the original page was badly written to the point of being useless, I imagine it would be fine for me to make a proper page for this game. I do have a list of tropes pertaining to Cars Race O Rama. I just wanted to ask before doing anything, per the warning on the cut page itself.
Edited by JoestarRunneropenSuspected ban evader
Leedo is a new Troper who is exclusively editing the WMG page for Spirit Ideas for Super Smash Bros Ultimate here
. Most of their editing consists of deleting, and their edit reasons made me raise a brow.
"the Zelda CDI Games are not just not canon to the actual timeline nor even feel like zelda games but also the fact that they are popularity hated for good reasons. Also, Something being for fun does not mean it is okay to violate good rules of Smash Bros. So Mods of this website, stop being too strict"
"Kirby Right back at Ya! is an anime, not a video game. Also, Missingno is just a game-breaking glitch, plus is gone from future pokemon games and for good reasons. So stop with the random choices (whether they are for fun or not). Something being Fanon, head canon, or Canon don't even matter to me, you idiots are just using stupid arguments such as "For Fun", "Fanon", and "Fan Ideas" so you can continue making bad choices. I'm not saying these happened nor i am talking them having to be canon although that does not change using stupid arguments "For Fun", "Fan Ideas", and "Fanon" for why you did what you did is make any of bad on the inside. So please stop."
"Donkey Kong Country animated series is a tv show not a video game. Don't tell understand the concept of fanon, when in reality you are only saying that to get us not accept that we cannot always get you want."
I am roughly 99.99999999999% sure that this is a sock puppet of Leirdo, the troper who
was hacking-and-slashing entries on the same page for rules that they unanimously made up, and then, when they were reported, said that everyone who spoke against them were "selfish dumbasses" who deserved "a good slap in the fucking face" and demanded we all apologize and be punished. Same pages, same agenda, still calling other Tropers and mods idiots, and their username is almost exactly the same. Leirdo > Leedo
openBatman controversy 2.0 Print Comic
Our favorite Dark Knight never seems to stay away from controversy for too long, and this time, it's two-fold.
First, Batman's folder in the DCAMU: Justice League character page has Adaptational Wimp, which says: "Downplayed. This incarnation of Batman is still a good fighter and he has his moments like getting the upper hand over Green Lanterns in the Justice League movies. But in his own films, aside from being able to defeat Deathstroke, himself an even worse Adaptational Wimp, in Son of Batman, he tends to get the short end of the stick in his titular films. In Batman Vs Robin he spent most of his fights taking a beating from various Talons, Robin, and the main Talon, while his comics counterpart was able to defeat Talon even after being famished and dehydrated for days. He also spends much of Bad Blood being captured and playing the role of Badass in Distress so he can be saved by the Bat-family. And in Hush, while he did much better in fights, he still wasn't able to defeat the eponymous villain on his own in the end and required the help of Catwoman to do so, whereas his comic books counterpart was able to beat The Riddler when he had been similarly physically enhanced by Venom during the Knightfall story. Justified with Damian. In Apokolips War, a brainwashed Batman reveals that the only reason Damian won is because he let him, and during their last fight he proves to his son that the latter is no match for him."
Adaptational Wimp has been frequently misused over these past few years, but the trope's definition is: "when their usefulness, agency, and contribution to the plot is significantly reduced. It is not this trope when the character "only" easily defeated twenty Mooks instead of a hundred; it's when the character struggled to take down even one. Realize too, that this may be intentional and in a long-running series may have the character take a level in badass to provide Character Development and align them better with the original version."
Then, the Dork Age entry in the YMMV page of Batman (Rebirth) was deleted and added yet again, because apparently, a consensus hasn't been reached about whether or not Tom King's run can be considered a Dork Age. Dork Age, much like Adaptational Wimp, has seen its fair share of misuses, but an entry in a long-running franchise can be a Dork Age if it qualities for any of the following criteria: 1. It has to be a critical and financial disappointment
2. Any changes it brought to the series must be undone by later installments
3. Whenever it's referenced by other entries, it has to be done in a negative manner.
So, what do you say?
Edited by MasterHeroopen I want a shadow the hedgehog self demonstrating article
Shadows basically every parodied Shonen rival ever conceived and plays it subversivally and for laughs. If Vegeta gets one why not Shadow?
openWhen is Spider-Man and Superman gonna get a self demonstrating article Literature
Question supes and spidey had one, but now they dont could this change one day?
openThe page for Self-Insert Fic is a bit of a mess
The page for Self-Insert Fic is soft split into three sections: "Fanfic examples", "Canonical and In-universe examples", and "Meta examples." First off, canonical examples are covered by Author Avatar. In fact many of those examples are already on the Author Avatar page. Saxon, there seems to be no difference between in-universe and meta examples. It seems to me that the third section is unnecessary.

Just out of academic curiosity, who split the Pokemon anime pages up according to season/series? It's something I'd actually been thinking about doing myself for months but never got around to it. I want to give major props to whoever did so, especially since they did it all on Pokemon Day.