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openQuotes page has real suicide notes on it
So, while doing a Wiki Walk, I stumbled across Quotes.Goodbye Cruel World, and immediately noticed the fact that it has real-life suicide notes on it. And this isn’t just one or two quotes, either, it’s over half the page. While I do understand that other quote pages have real-life quotes, it just feels very uncomfortable reading the suicide note of a real person who killed themself. Should the real-life quotes be removed?
Edited by idonomopen Red Riding Hood Replica (repeated issue)
Courtesy link: Red Riding Hood Replica
This first cropped up on ATT
just after the trope first went live.
A troper mistakenly thought I was edit warring when the RWBY entry was removed (by me), added by another troper and then removed by that troper after PM discussion between us.
The problem at the time was that the character (Ruby Rose) was listed under the sub-trope Little Red Fighting Hood, and this wiki typically does not trope something under the super-trope if the sub-trope fits. The reason she was re-added was in good faith — the page image caused confusion, leading to the belief that the entry should be listed on the page if the image is there.
At the time, I did open an image picking thread
to resolve the image confusion, but there really isn't a better image of RRHR to be found, so there wasn't much consensus. So, the image was retained, but the image quote does pothole to Little Red Fighting Hood in a note.
Unsurprisingly, a Ruby Rose entry was re-added to the page
two months after it was removed, and references the page image in the entry itself.
Now, I could ask for the entry to be removed. Again. But I think it is just going to get re-added again at a later date because the page image encourages it. Someone did suggest in the image picking thread that this could be handled by adding a commented-out note to the page warning people to not trope Ruby Rose there.
Can I go ahead and add a note to the page saying not to trope Ruby Rose there, and that it'll be removed if added?
Edited by WyldchyldopenBan evader or not?
I’m still convinced mati2002
(who started editing in April 2021) may be laar2002
(suspended in Dec. 2020 for edit warring on NightmareFuel.Pinocchio). The IP/geolocation was negative when the mods first checked, but not only are their usernames eerily similar, their edits have some similarities.
I will first admit that mati has not edited JustForFun.X Meets Y pages like laar (though this may be to cover their tracks), and they have usefully added alphabetization notices to pages (even pages that don’t need them such as Moments pages).
laar’s modus operandi, through scrolling through their edit history, was adding images to pages, even those that already had images (I personally told laar that wasn’t allowed, though that didn’t stop them from reinstating their own change on the Fellowship of the Ring NF page), making nattery and often superfluous edits to Nightmare Fuel and similar pages (often comparing works to other works), and being a serial tweaker to great extents
. They also violated the “don’t say an example is pictured” rule note to be fair, I used to do that too when they were around.
mati’s MO so far has indeed been adding images to pages. Some are great, while some are not
. While they have not replaced images, they have sometimes added images on pages with Image Pickin' tags
, they added two images to HalfDressedCartoonAnimal.Western Animation (don’t really know our stance on that for non-Moments pages), and they once tried to add an image in a trope page folder
. They have also serially tweaked to fix minor mistakes several times like laar did before, and they have also violated the “don’t say an example is pictured” rule just as often.
They made a very questionable edit
on UncannyValley.Animated Films, adding an image and adding an IP notice for the thread for UncannyValley.Film, a thread from 2016 they did not participate in.
It’s probably not much, but I feel there are too many similarities to overlook, even if they have seemingly improved themself.
Edited by PurpleEyedGumaopenDisambiguation
How to submit something for a disambiguation page or create one myself?
Boy Meets Boy and Boy Meets Boy have the exact same title and now share a trivia page, etc, and need disambiguating somehow.
openJust Dance (No Name Given Trope) Videogame
Although I would like to add the trope itself since every single coach (not counting the collaborated ones) comes with no names at all, I also notice that some of the coaches have been given names, either by the directors of the game, concept arts or posts from official accounts. If it is to be added, will it be counted as a Subversion or Aversion?
openIgnorant tropers. Webcomic
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/TwoKinds
Who was working on the description regarding Trace? He wants to REMEMBER his past, but he doesn't want to become his old self. Huge difference here.
"However, his memories are slowly returning, and with them a past he would prefer to remain forgotten."
https://twokinds-keenspot.com/comic/1030/
"Roselyn: Wait, but don’t you… want to return to your former self?
Trace: No! Of course not! I want to know who I was, so I understand what it is I’m fighting against! And hopefully fix some of the problems I caused! I was hoping you could help."
openFranchise Killing in Digimon Anime
So, Digimon is registered in Franchise Killer under the following context: The decline of the virtual pet craze caused Digimon to take a few major knocks in the merch sales, and it wasn't helped by Digimon Tamers underperforming in its target demographic (though it did end up Vindicated by History when older audiences rediscovered it). Digimon Frontier attempted to reverse the decline by retooling itself as a Henshin Hero series, but this alienated a chunk of existing fans and failed to create enough new ones, putting the franchise on ice until Digimon Data Squad four years later. And then it went on hiatus until Digimon Fusion four years later again. And then another hiatus until Digimon Adventure tri. four years later yet again (five'' years later with Digimon Universe: App Monsters if only counting TV shows). Needless to say, the franchise has had it rough since its heyday.
I have to ask, is this valid? Considering the franchise still continues to this day, does it really belong on the Franchise Killer page?
openHow to remove non-index from index?
Numina is poorly made, but that's aside the point. It appears that someone made it an index at one point (its Page Type is Work now, but that doesn't seems to fix anything). So now it appear in index list on every tropes on that page (ironically, the page itself is not indexed). I comment out some ZCE on that page, and made null edit on Foreshadowing and Ill Girl, but it still appear in index afterward.
Edited by Kuruniopen trope: seer can't accurately interpret visions? Live Action TV
is there a trope where a seer or psychic can see into the future accurately but can't properly interpret it?
ex: like that episode in that's so raven when she has to get a good grade on her school project to go to a concert with her crush. she has a vision of herself boppin' to some music, so she interprets it as proof she'll pass and get to go to the concert. she ends up failing and it turns out her vision is her dancing to music in her room while her crush stands outside playing the song on a radio.
openThe "end" of handheld gaming?
In the real life section of End of an Age, there's this example:
- The discontinuation of the Nintendo 3 DS in 2020 marked the end of the dedicated handheld era of gaming, nearly 41 years after the release of the Microvision in 1979. The era had already been on its last legs since the advent of affordable smartphones and tablets as well as the debut of the 3DS' rough successor, the home console/handheld hybrid that is the Nintendo Switch, in 2017, and went on life support with the death of the Play Station Vita (with no plans from Sony for a successor) and the end of first-party support for the 3DS in 2019, but it managed to carry on for just a year longer before the 3DS itself was pulled out of official circulation. Given that Nintendo had a near-monopoly on the handheld market since 1989, it's unlikely that anyone will try to revive the trade in the future.
With the announcement of the Valve Steam Deck, is it safe to say that handheld gaming is far from dead and that this should be removed?
Edited by supernintendo128openWhat warrants a character specific page?
My logic making Character Specific Pages and by what's described on main itself is to reserve it for characters who'd otherwise take up a large chunk of the page. I've been going off word count a lot of the time, and most of the ones I've seen have anywhere from five to ten thousand words. Others I've talked to have argued for trope count instead, but I've seen no steadfast rule on that, so I wasn't sure whether to take it into consideration.
Edited by IkeaHanopenRetcon vs Continuity Error?
WandaVision and WandaVision Episode 8 "Previously On":
- Series Continuity Error: A very, very minor discrepancy when depicting Wanda's backstory in "Previously On" - Pietro recounts to Ultron in Age of Ultron that the Maximoff family was having dinner when the bombings hit. When shown the episode itself, the family is having a TV night, watching The Dick Van Dyke Show together, but clearly not eating dinner while doing so. Wanda's mother is even washing dishes when the scene begins, implying dinner was already over by then. Could be justified if one assumes Wanda's memory of such a traumatic event was imperfect and Pietro's Age of Ultron explanation was him misremembering it.
- Retcon: Avengers: Age of Ultron has Pietro's detailed description of the destruction of the Maximoff home, including that it was during dinner and that the floor fell from under them. This doesn't happen in Wanda's flashback here; instead, the family was watching an episode of The Dick Van Dyke Show when the bomb hit, and it caused the roof to collapse.
- Series Continuity Error: In Avengers: Age of Ultron, Ultron created Vision by bonding Vibranium to synthetic human tissue using Doctor Helen Cho's Regeneration Cradle. In this episode, Vision's vivisected body contains wires and circuitry, with no trace of organic matter. However, his head clearly contained wires and circuits when Thanos ripped the Mind Stone out, so it may instead be a Retcon.
Retcons are deliberate changes while error is unintentional so these seem mutually exclusive. I'm leaning to the backstory being a Retcon as it's changing a minor, relatively unimportant detail replacing it with something major and important to the plot. Not sure about the Vision one. Thoughts?
open Is this real life section a RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment violation?
Before I start, I should address that I brought this up in the violations thread about three days ago
, but I haven't gotten any response.
The page for Sensitivity Training has a Real Life section that seems to be more focused on bashing the concept of sensitivity training. Especially the Drew Carey entry:
- According to Bill Maher, before a group of firefighters was allowed to help hurricane survivors, they were required to attend an 8-hour sexual harassment sensitivity training course. Many would query whether sexual harassment sensitivity training is related to hurricanes and see this as a classic example of Political Correctness Gone Mad. However, traumatized disaster survivors are extremely vulnerable and easily taken advantage of, and aid workers are often in a position of such authority that even the best-meaning agencies have some individuals who will do rather horrible things. Pleasant nightmares.
- In the United States Military, SHARP training is emphasized heavily and is often mocked by the servicemembers. There are several reasons for this, including the generally boring and often offensive nature of the programs (more than a few SHARP sessions have stopped just short of saying, "All men are rapists, but some just don't know it yet"), double standards (it's okay if we do it, but it's racist/sexist/otherwise bad if you do it), lack of applicability ("How does this help us kill people and break shit?" is a frequent complaint), and the fact that the officers administering the SHARP program are frequently caught committing some kind of sexual misconduct.
- Drew Carey spoke in his book about how following a slew of sexual harrassment lawsuits at Warner Bros. in 1996, management made it so everybody who worked on the Warner Brothers lot had to be at, and sign attendance for, one sexual harassment awareness seminar. He thought it was a shame when a great company had to go to such "extreme measure" because of the complaints of a few people, like how safety training is mandatory even though only a few people die each year from work place hazard. The few people being "militant feminists" and "everyone else in this society that needs to play political victim and go to court instead of just dealing with it themselves". A celebrity like him could no longer look a second too long at someone's tits or let the women who worked on his show give him a hug without him freezing up in fear of litigation. This had turned his workplace and "every workplace in America into Salem, Massachusetts".
- While he was at it, he didn't want naval aviators to attend sensitivity training either. And that was in response to the Tailhook scandal.
Carey thought "one uptight biddy" (likely Sheila Widnall, who was made the first female Secretary of the Air Force in the wake of the Tailhook scandal) should not be able to come in and stop such festivities. He also believed that while "grabbing some tits" was wrong, it was nothing to lose a career over, and a wimp who couldn't handle having her tits grabbed without calling "a press conference and a lawyer", should be flying kites not jet fighters. Why a pro-military man would want the military to tolerate behaviors that actively reduce its effectiveness is unclear.
- While he was at it, he didn't want naval aviators to attend sensitivity training either. And that was in response to the Tailhook scandal.
A bracketed-out note was actually added by a troper two years ago
pointing out the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment violation in the language:
"The following entry definitely needs a rewrite for more neutral language. Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement still applies here, and this entry clearly isn't following that. The entry isn't describing the example so much as just barely paraphrasing it with few quotation marks. And additionally, this entry uses langauge jarringly different from Tv Tropes' usual language. What responsible troper uses the word "tits" in a description? All in all, this entry looks like if somebody reading the book itself went "damn right" and then copied the passage directly into this page, only changing first person into third person and putting a few random parts of sentences in quotes."
Any thoughts?
Edited by SkylaNoivernopenLaunched trope listed as nuked?
I launched my trope Lady Luck from TLP the other day. The page itself looks fine. But if I look at history in TLP, the draft is listed as nuked, not launched. And the trope isn't showing up in the tab of recent launches. What gives?
Edited by pyroclasticopenSpecific image won't upload Videogame
I've been adding images to Characters.Temtem, and today I wanted to add images of Hidody and Taifu. Problem is, the Hidody image
I downloaded from the Wikia wouldn't upload; when I clicked "submit", it cancelled itself before it could load the popup with the URL and formatting in it. I chalked this up to the uploader not working... but a few hours later, I tried again, and it still didn't work, but an image of Taifu
that I downloaded from the same site uploaded just fine. Is the file corrupted?
openZero-context example? Western Animation
So this example caught my attention on the YMMV subpage for VeggieTales:
- Seasonal Rot: A show about talking vegetables was bound to succumb to this. Phil stated in a podcast that he noticed that the post-Jonah episodes aren't as successful (in terms of selling) as the older ones, and speculates how it's probably how the media reacts nowadays.
I think it might be a Zero-Context Example, since you'd expect the example to explain what in the show itself is demonstrating the seasonal rot. How the media reacts to it doesn't seem like it should be the explanation here. So, would it be a zero-context example?
openUndoing edits without discussion
I originally raised this on the Moments clean-up thread, but it was suggested I flag it in ATT as well. The full clean-up thread post is here
.
The summary for ATT purposes is this:
The troper Bellaboo2 has added back two Tear Jerker entries (removed from YMMV.RWBY Chibi), with original wording intact. The edit reason
is long, but basically makes it clear that:
- They're aware of the Moments clean-up thread and have read the reasons for the removal (since they're twisting one of the reasons).
- They have zero intention of engaging in a discussion about it.
- They seem to be confused about the difference between a summary of a scene and a summary of an audience reaction to a scene.
- They can't be bothered to rewrite the entries as legitimate audience reactions to get them added back to the page in a legitimate way... despite being willing to write audience reactions into the edit reason itself. This baffles me: if you're making the effort to write a legitimate audience reaction, why not do it to the entry itself instead of the edit reason?
Edited to add a link to the YMMV page the edit occurred on.
Edited by WyldchyldopenAnother work page for, uhm, a page that doesn't exist.
Yeah, found this at random: Greetings From Magical Los Angeles
Originally I was going to send this to the ZCE Cleanup thread (because seriously, try counting the ZCE on thr page itself) but after some checking, the last update was exactly a decade ago. And the link on the page leads to a "[[
https://comicfury.com/webcomicerror.php
Webcomic Error]]" something something.
Anyone aware of this thing's existance? Or just cutlist the work already?

Much like the DC Extended Universe, the Harry Potter saga is no stranger to controversy and this time I wanna focus on our boy Harry
. His character page lists him as an Adaptational Badass under the following conditions:
I have to ask: are these entries valid? Adaptational Badass has seen a lot of misuse in recent years and the AB page has a paragraph that says: At its core this causes a significant dissonance with those familiar with the original character. It is not about a change in personality (Martial Pacifist to Blood Knight), method of fighting (defensive Simple Staff to offensive BFS) or battlefield intelligence (Dumb Muscle to Genius Bruiser), but in terms of how relevant they are in a fight. The key is how they are able to navigate through the story. Consider as a result of Power Creep, Power Seep that Superman himself has varied from simply "above human" in strength to near godlike, but he has always been Superman.
Also, I've always believed that Adaptational Badass applies when the character, in his/her entirety, becomes a badass in the adaptation, not when he/she is given small moments of badassery, even when he/she is already a badass in the source material. So, what do you think?