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resolved A troper who keeps posting dubious tropes on the Final Fantasy 7 Remake Main Character section. Videogame
Someone named Frankie 3 keeps re-posting the same ill-fitting tropes on Tifa Lockhart's character page despite me and other tropers already having pointed out why he needs to stop doing it. Like for example, trying to pin the "Token Good Teammate" label to Tifa when the rest of the party aren't even evil people, at worst having some anti-heroic traits that don't even scale into particularly dark levels. And then there's him posting links to some random wiki to try and add proof of claim when it directly violates troping rule that pages are only for what is found within the work itself. What should be done about him?
Edited by 9thOutworldsManopenTroper with nattering issues
This troper
frequently goes into Thread Mode, adding their personal opinions to trope entries, arguing with examples, and calling out other tropers on adding things they find disagreeable (not in the edit reasons, in the examples themselves).
- Asking if
an Ass Pull entry really is an Ass Pull, because "The movie is hardly going to give away the twist".
- Griping about Karen haters and misogynists
.
- One case of them calling out a troper directly
on the work's main page.
- Another case of contesting an example
.
- Natter that causes the example to go against itself
.
Also, most of these insertions of natter aren't capitalized properly. They also added a rather red-flag-raising entry on this page
.
openFire and Blood Designated Hero Literature
I feel like the YMMV for Fire and Blood calling Jaehaerys a Designated Hero is wrong and should be removed because 1) Jaehaerys did plenty of legitimately great things for Westeros. 2) It was Baelon who let Alyssa humiliate Vaegon in the training yard. 3) Jaehaerys sending Vaegon to the Citadel was something Vaegon himself was happy to do. 4) Saera and her male consorts were legitimately awful people and Jaehaerys treated his daughter very well until he learned of her many misdeeds. 5) Jaehaerys had a good argument as to why trying to bring back Saera from Lys would cause nothing but trouble and correctly guessed that his daughter wanted nothing more to do with her family. 6) Arranged marriages like the ones Daella and Viserra had are commonplace amongst Westeros nobility. And 7) Westeros is an inherently male oriented culture and Jaehaerys passing over Rhaenys as his successor, while sexist, would be the expected choice for him to make.
Edited by Chubzhacopenweird redirect thing
I'm not sure this is the right forum to ask this, but a few times today, I've been on TV Tropes, only for my browser to automatically redirect me to a "virus scan" website (not always the same one). Obviously not legit. What's weird is that it's only happening on TV Tropes, and I ran a virus scan on my PC (using the software I actually bought, not the sketchy websites) and nothing came up.
Is this happening to anyone else? I'm wondering if something's up with the site itself or if it's just my computer.
openEverybody Hates Hades question
Everybody Hates Hades is about mythological death gods being depicted as more evil in adaptations right?
As the examples have several examples like Hell Girl, Everybody loves large chests, heart strikers and the dungeons and dragons stuff seems to use original villains who aren't based on anything.
Plus some examples just use Death itself as a concept being portrayed as a bad guy. Which I'm not sure is correct either ?
openVandal/troll
This troper
has created at least two
pages
with just one nonsense word each, seemingly for the sole purpose of trolling. They also created this
Haiku that's not a proper Hiaku (because the middle line only has 6 syllables instead of 7), and is Shaped Like Itself at best. These are their only edits on this wiki.
openMinimal-effort work page.
The Atomic Time of Monsters seems to be a page for a Kaiju story of some description. I'm not clear on further details because, as can be seen there, the page's contents consist only of a picture and the phrase "This Page is under-development by one person please be patient". It has been worked on by only one editor, Drago491, and has not been edited since June. The page's url also wasn't capitalized properly.
Normally I'd simply say to cut it, but the associated character page has work put into it — the grammar and formatting both have problems and there are several ZCEs, but those are all issues that can be rectified fairly easily assuming some work is put into them. That by itself makes me think that there's probably value in trying to salvage the page instead of just cutting it altogether.
I'm not wholly familiar with the site's policy in this matters, so I thought I'd look for some feedback. What should be done here? The original editor (who I'll contact once I'm finished writing this) obviously has enthusiasm for creating pages, which I think we shouldn't discourage, but evidently something needs to be done to bring the page up to wiki standards.
openIs this Bowdlerization? Anime
There is a troper
who on
more than one occasion
has made edits that are solely to remove the word "queer."
Admittedly, as someone who uses the word for myself, I'm sensitive to the issue and the ridiculously new controversy around the term, but the word means something specific, and appears to be an allowed word on this wiki, so I don't believe it should simply be removed.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openRemoval of Ambiguously Gay/Bi on JoJo pages
tiger20 made some edits to some Character pages for JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, mostly Characters.Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Phantom Blood and Characters.Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Battle Tendency. These edits had a lot of issues, mainly from a large quantity of misspellings (to the point where I'm not sure if they're typos or genuine mistakes), but I fixed those and sent a PM.
Something I'm not sure needs undoing is the removal of Ambiguously Gay and Ambiguously Bi on those pages, with no edit reason given:
- Ambiguously Gay: Completely devotes his life to supporting Jonathan after gaining his friendship, extending said devotion to his descendants after Jonathan's untimely passing, all while never marrying himself (note that "he never married" in an obituary was a British euphemism for homosexuality). Meanwhile he's never shown as attracted to women aside from Joseph teasing him and Erina about having Unresolved Sexual Tension, though their reactions indicate that this is not the case.
- Ambiguously Bi: Caesar's Establishing Character Moment shows him to be quite the lothario around women, but at one point Messina teases him about having a crush on Joseph, and he doesn't exactly deny the allegation. That the first thing he does upon reuniting with Joseph is a stock Tsundere reaction doesn't help his case.
I feel like there is a good amount of evidence for Speedwagon being Ambiguously Gay, though Caesar being bi is a bit weaker IMO. Still, removing LGBT tropes without any discussion or explanation feels suspicious. Do these examples look okay, and should they be re-added?
Edited by ZuxtronopenLiterature / Her Father's Daughter Does not even HAVE a description!
I dont care enough to research and add one myself. What do?
openIs there a way to request a trope rename? Videogame
I feel like the trope "Self-Sacrifice Scheme" is a bit of a mouthful and sounds more underwhelming than it often is.
At the same time, the name "Hangman's Gambit" sounds mysterious and interesting, but is used for a very mundane purpose: literally just a game of Hangman in Danganronpa.
Hangman's Gambit always sounded like a phrase perfectly suitable for those times when a character sacrifices their life, or pretends to do so in the case of faking their death, in order to increase the chances of a desired outcome in a different endeavor. For example, dying to rile up a crowd of people, or faking their death to make a targeted individual/group focus on something else. This is, by my understanding, exactly what a "Self-Sacrifice Scheme" seems to be.
With this in mind, would it be possible to request that we rename "Self-Sacrifice Scheme" to "Hangman's Gambit"?
If not, could it be made as a subtrope specifically referring to situations where the goal is uncertain and the death is meant as a means of manipulation rather than a direct path to that goal?
Edited by illeatyourselfopenrequesting an addition Anime
I was surprised that Guts from Berserk isn't on the anime and manga section of the Hurting Hero trope examples. This may sound dumb, but I'm kind of nervous that I'll mess up the formatting if I do it myself, so I just thought I'd suggest instead.
openTroper with persist indentation problem
On 26th Jul, I sent them an indentation notifier for this edit
. They did reply and acknowledge it, too bad since it appears that they do not actually learn. I sent them two more indentation notifiers on 1st Sep (regarding this
) and 26th Sep (regarding this
.
Yesterday, they did it again
. I sent them another notifier and wait a day to see if they'll fix it. They don't, despite making two more edits on another articles. So I fix it myself and made this report.
openToo YMMV for Main?
Main.Temporarily Exaggerated Trait
- Spike, who's normally the Straight Man and The Reliable One who's somewhat immature and selfish, tends to become obliviously stupid and incompetent, or obnoxiously selfish in focus episodes like "Spike at Your Service" and "Princess Spike". This trend is responsible for Spike episodes being stereotyped as dead on arrival (with both of those episodes almost unanimously landing on worst episodes lists, often with one of them in the #1 slot).
The last part I'm thinking should be removed as YMMV on a non-YMMV trope. Any objections? And on the tropic is there any circumstances audience reaction are allowed under non-YMMV?
openSchoolhouse Rockz -- Troper restoring deleted page, restoring ZCEs without expanding
TL:DR: Troper recreating plagiarized page without consulting other users, now replacing plagiarized synopsis by filling it with bad grammar.
Long version:
Series.Schoolhouse Rockz — this page was previously cutlisted due to plagiarizing content from a review site
, and now it was reconstructed with the sole editor being... this guy
. (EDIT: EDIT history
)
Who is the same guy who made the page first, several months ago, with the plagiarized content. After the page got the snips due to stealing its synopsis and barely having enough tropes with decent context, LWH somehow sees fit to recreate the page, ZCE and all. With a two-sentence synopsis.
I've never seen the show in question, but here's some colorful grammar on the page itself:
- "It focuses on an everyday life of a 13-year-old snobbish schoolgirl..."
- "This series consists only 6 episodes..."
- "Her hairstyle switches in different episodes. Averted, she is the girliest in Eastwood Secondary..."
Oh, and ZCE issues, lack of full-stops, and "X is this trope" in both the main page and the characters subpage. A bunch which I've commented out months ago
with the dual-percentages, only for the troper in question to put them back without properly expanding the context
.
Also, a "Beware the Nice Ones" shoehorn that doesn't explain why audiences are supposed to be wary of a "nice" character (In episode 5, Dawn confronts Ros and Amni for getting Inka into serious trouble after finding out Inka is wrongly accused of shoplifting. — How is that an explanation of why we're supposed to "beware" of her?)
Help?
Edited by RobertTYLopenMulti-works reference example
Does this writeup look... I dunno... too dependent on other works to make its point?
- Gorn: Miura depicts all kinds of bloodshed and dismemberment with a level of detail that straddles the line between horror and fascination. To elaborate, it's even bloodier than all of Quentin Tarantino's films combined, is packed the very gills and guts with gratuitous extreme graphic aberrant violence that not only makes Mortal Kombat 11, Doom Eternal, The Last of Us Part II and even Manhunt look like games made for little children but also, makes the Live-Action Deadpool duo logy look and feel more like a So Bad, It's Good Live-Action Adaptation of Cardcaptor Sakura as a Sitcom by comparison (and if Deadpool killing so many people aren't that Bloody enough, then think again with how many people and monsters has Guts beaten up to the death), there's large amounts of Gratuitous Rape that downright obscene and pornographic, explicit brutality that makes Crossed look like a joke and much, MUCH more. This holds the reputation as the most violent manga ever created in history and for good reason. And not to mention, Invincible is basically Berserk with Superheroes.
openFena = Wasted character? Anime
Ok, with Fena: Pirate Princess finally over, I gotta ask: does the titular character really qualify for They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character? Her entry in the YMMV page reads:
"Fena herself, despite being the main and title character. All throughout the series, Fena is rarely, if ever, allowed to actually do anything on her own, and it actively ignores opportunities to let her grow as a person or do anything that doesn't involve getting kidnapped, having the plot explained to her, or being saved by other people. Any attempt at letting her do something on her own is handwaved away, such as when she leads the party to where the coordinates are in the underground tomb, not because she herself does it, but because a mysterious voice said so. She's basically a Pinball Protagonist with little to no agency in her own series, and more than a few people noticed this.
"
1. Fena is the protagonist and by definition, she can't get wasted because we follow the story from her perspective. 2. TWAPGC is "this character was insufficiently developed or improperly explored", not "I didn't like the direction this character went through."
So, what do you think?
openPossible Single Issue Wonk and unnecessary bashing on a recap page Live Action TV
On a recap page of a few episodes of Just Beyond, I have found two examples where the troper named Colleen seem to hate the same aseop about Be Yourself and True Beauty Is on the Inside. The third example is basically the op bashing Kim Kardashian for no reason. Here's the example (Bold part means I highlighted it):
In Just Beyond S 1 E 3 Which Witch
- An Aesop: Yet another story about how Being Yourself is more important than fitting in.
In Just Beyond S 1 E 5 Unfiltered
- An Aesop: Another story about how Beauty Is Bad and True Beauty Is on the Inside.
- I Just Want to Be Beautiful: Lily wants to be as glamorous and attractive to be boys as the popular girls in her school. When she gets the app that starts magically altering her face, she gets greedy and uses it more and more until her face looks like Kim Kardashian threw up on her.
openbigmouthstrikesagain strikes again
I've been having trouble with Tropers/bigmouthstrikesagain for a while, and while it's never anything big, it adds up.
- HERE
they change an aversion into a subversion, even though it's not a subversion.
- HERE
they write an entry in the past tense, even the stuff that happens in the episode and should be in the present tense.
- HERE
they list a trope for Halloween Kills on the page for Halloween, saying that "In the following film, however..." even though obviously, any Halloween Kills trope should be on the actual page for Halloween Kills itself.
- HERE
they have an example refer to another example on the list.
- HERE
they write that somebody "has a tendency of doing this", which is zero context. (They fixed it after I told them, though, but I did need to tell them.)
So yeah. Like I said. It adds up.

On YMMV.Mushoku Tensei, Tropers.Qubritz added the following
(bolded for emphasis) to a Broken Base entry:
In retrospect, the entry should probably be reworded to further explain what the audience is split on regarding these points (basically, whether or not Rudeus deserves "redemption"note , whether the ending "rewards" people for crappy behavior, and whether or not it sends the wrong message about "redemption" in general). But, on top of that, the bolded section is a gross oversimplification of the actual issues with those characters. As I edited here
, the two are mutually toxic to each other.
Eris is introduced as a Spoiled Brat who is verbally and physically abusive to Rudeus when he is brought in to be her magic tutor. This is very much Played for Drama and not treated as amusing.
After he arranges a fake-turned-real kidnapping, she grows to like and respect him and from then on, the few times she does hit him, it is portrayed as the usual anime Tsundere/Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male/Pervert Revenge Mode anime hijinks and absolutely Played for Laughs, as it's clear that the two of them are really into each other and everybody pretty much expects Rudeus to bed Eris at some point Her father even explicitly gives him permission in a moment of Deliberate Values Dissonance. (They're both like physically 12 at this point, btw, although Rudeus was a middle-aged man in his past life. And absolutely still sees himself as an adult.) At the same time, Rudeus makes an attempt to take off and steal Eris's panties while she's asleep, and after her father does arrange for her and Rudeus to go to bed together, Rudeus ignores an uncomfortable Eris after she changes her mind and tells him to stop until she is forced to hit him. (And I repeat, Eris is about 12 at this time, while Rudeus is a 30-something implied pedophile in the body of a child.)
The "Eris is the unambiguous abuser toward Rudeus" aspect of their relationship literally doesn't last longer than the first full episode she's introduced (in the anime). The majority of their screentime features the two of them being basically flawed, awkward people, and one of them being too young to be attempting the relationship they have. Even if we accept that Eris is an abusive brat, and is still pretty violent after she catches feelings for him, he is still mentally an adult, while she is a child.
NOTE: I'd also like to state that, after my first edit, Qubritz agreed that "mutually-abusive" was a better way to describe their relationship. Then, shortly afterwards, he suddenly sent me a PM out of the blue asking to chat, which quickly turned sour after we had a disagreement about the portrayal of a fictional character, and he turned pretty hostile.
Then, after I blocked him, he re-added
the bolded section. Again, after previously agreeing that "mutually toxic" was the best way to define their relationship.
Edited by NubianSatyress