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openIs Ship Sinking a main page or YMMV trope?
I believe I read somewhere that it is a main page trope but I also often find it on the YMMV pages like these from Once Upon A Time:
- Ship Sinking:
- Graham/Emma was sunk with Graham's death.
- "Selfless, Brave, and True" torpedoed Emma/August when the latter is rejuvenated into a little boy. This will never be able without Squick. Fans briefly regained hope when August regained his old body in Season 4, only for Emma to confirm their relationship is Like Brother and Sister.
- Similarly, Baelfire/Wendy is no longer a possibility, as Baelfire grew up and Wendy did not.
- Peter Pan/Henry sunk like a rock after "Think Lovely Thoughts".
- Swanfire as Neal is Killed Off for Real in 'Quiet Minds'. Diehard fans of the ship hoped for some kind of reunion when Emma traveled to the Underworld, only for the writers to reveal that Neal Ascended to a Higher Plane of Existence, leaving no doubt as to the chances of it actually happening.
- Rumbelle seems to have been sunk in the Season 4 winter finale, as Belle laments how she'll never be first in his heart, says she can't see any good in him anymore, and then banishes him from Storybrooke. However, it's on its way to righting itself again in Season 5.
- Swan Queen has been sunk by the show's creators, who stated at San Diego Comic-Con 2013 that it was never going to happen. In-Universe, it's sunk by Emma and Regina both hooking up with someone else without expressing any romantic inclination in each other, and even encouraging the other to go for their respective Love Interest.
So, should these be moved to the main page?
I am sorry if this is not the place to ask this but I did not know where else to go.
Edited by Bullmanopen[Resolved] Narm Flamebait?
Narm's subpages have the Flame Bait header on them even though Narm itself does not and they aren't listed anywhere else, and I've been wondering how does that work.
Edited by Amonimusopen Troper vandalizin’ character page. Videogame
Prest Otron has been tamperin’ Five Nights at Freddy's: First Generation, specifically the quotes. They changed them from in-game quotes to attacks on the FNAF fandom. Here is an example:
From:
To:
Dunno if they have been on other pages.
Edited by DelibirdaopenHow do I propose a new web series creator to be written here? Web Original
I would like to propose the addition of a new web series and its creator to this wiki, but I am not sure how. The creator is called Super Mario Richie and I feel that he desperately needs to be recorded here. I think his omission is unacceptable and I would like to see an effort made for his various works to have their tropes recorded here. I might try to start the page by myself, but I don’t have much free time these days. I hope you can help. Thank you.
openSandbox query
How can I make a Sandbox entry for myself or for anything that I can share that might be useful? Or do I need a Troper page too?
Edited by Tr0p6564rch6ropenOn Images for Newly-Launched Tropes
Launched my new trope earlier today, and I saw someone else added a pic to it. I know I forfeit any conceit of ownership when I launched it, but I feel the pic isn't clear enough (figuratively because I tend to think of the castle before Mickey Mouse for Disney, and literally because it's kinda fuzzy) and could also be misconstrued as Company Cross-References instead.
Is this the sort of thing I can just change myself, or can I ask in here since it's a recent launch? Or is this the type of thing that should be taken to the Image Suggestion Thread
or a new thread entirely?
resolved Creators removing Audience Reaction tropes
This concerns the YMMV page for Rae Kohai (though honestly, every subpage there has their own issues even before getting to how the work itself has been impossible to trope thanks to every episode being privated back in 2019, combined with drama surrounding the work's creator that I'm not going to touch on here). There's one specific issue I'm unsure about that I'd like a second opinion on.
I've been reading up on various administrivia pages on when creators add and edit pages for their own works, and I can't find anything that specifically covers when creators remove YMMV tropes rather than add them. The particular trope that concerns me is a First Installment Wins example that an account with a very similar name to the work's creator (which is currently inactive but mostly seemed to only edit their own work page) deleted without giving an edit reason.
Is it kosher for creators to remove audience reaction tropes even when Zero Context Examples and factual inaccuracies aren't factors?
Edited by Akriloth2160openQuotations edging into plagiarism? Anime
While browsing through fanfic pages, Fanfic.Isnt It Beautiful and Fanfic.We Werent Born To Follow struck me with some weird choices. Several examples on them appear to have flat out chunks of the fic itself inserted as context. Not quotes from the characters, but narration. For one example, but there's more.
- The boy is a whirlwind, swinging his tonfa with ease and comfort and using them in probably unconventional ways. He hits with them, sure, and blocks, and parries. And then reverses his grip, uses the short handle to hook under the armpit or around a knee to trip them over. And then turns them around again to use as stilts for his hands, adding inches to the reach of his upwards kick that sends a far-taller opponent reeling back.
This feels in violation of ZCE rules, but I'm not sure if the attempt at indicating quotation saves it from being a plagiarism problem.
Edited by AdannoropenDEKU SDCP Film
Yo, I saw in a cleanup thread that Izuku Midoriya from My Hero Academia had a SDCP then got cut. I was wondering if someone could bring that back or at the very least allow a sandbox page for me or someone else to draft one. I feel like with Deku's dorky, self-deprecating, nervously neurotic behavior would make for some great humor. I would say he has some of the most unique traits out of the My Hero cast and maybe even make pages for a perv like Mineta or a hothead like Bakugo at the very least. MHA deserves more SDCP's than just Tsuyu who's own page practically has like 5 things and that's it.
openCharacter Page Reversion Policy
EDIT: The original issue is being resolved on the Discussion page, but I'm still wondering about character page projects.
A few days ago, someone created this character subpage
. There wasn't any discussion about this, which is technically fine, but the page itself has some issues. Even though a couple of other users have edited it, seven of the folders have 0-2 examples. There's also some weird capitalization and formatting. Some of their edits also don't make much sense: they changed
a Foil example to Contrasting Sequel Main Character, but neither of the characters in the original example are the protagonist of their series. The bulk of the page is focused on one character (who nearly has technically enough content for their own page).
I posted yesterday on the discussion page, but no one has responded. Is it alright to revert the split, or should I wait for approval? On a separate note, is there an existing project focused on setting up a Character Sheet guidelines page? I feel like that could be helpful.
Edited by indigoJayopenOn TLP
I've been working on a potential trope (shameless self-promo!
) and it's accumulated a healthy number of examples, so now I'm wondering - is there a good place to ask around for criticism and thoughts on how well it's put-together outside of the TLP itself? Last time I asked within a comment, I got no replies regarding it, so I'm wondering if that was a bad avenue to ask or if people think that it's solid as it is presently.
resolved Kill Count and Dead Meat are separate pages Web Original
As the title says, I've noticed that The Kill Count and Dead Meat (the latter of which refers to the channel that the former series is hosted on) are separate pages, but most of the Dead Meat page and its subpages focusses on Kill Count, with hardly anything talking about the rest of the channel's content. What should we do about this (besides possibly renaming the page for Kill Count to remove the "The" if we're keeping the page, since that's not in the title of the show itself outside of James' signing on/off phrases)?
Edited by Akriloth2160openCreator page redirecting to a UsefulNote
When editing the page for Series.Space 1999, I found that not only does its producers Gerry and Sylvia Anderson not have creator pages, but Creator.Gerry Anderson is a redirect to the Useful Notes page UsefulNotes.Supermarionation, which is about an animation technique frequently used by the Andersons.
Is it really kosher to have a creator page redirecting to a useful note which is not even supposed to be about the creator in question? I think it would actually be better to remove the redirect and have Creator.Gerry Anderson create a redlink, until a proper creator page can be created (I might get around to that myself when I get the time).
Edited by GnomeTitanopenHostile deletion reason
Very Peeved deleted this on Gone Horribly Right:
- Brexit was this for many people that didn't see the consequences of what they campaigned for. Here are a
few
examples
.
With this edit reason:
if you're gonna put this shit in here, at least put some damn effort into it. a single line and a couple of links is not on. D- apply yourself.
Now I do feel like maybe Gone Horribly Right should probably be a No Real Life Examples, and failing that perhaps this example crosses the line of Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement. All that being said that edit reason was needlessly hostile.
Edited by jjjj2openIs there a way to see what works a Troper follows?
I feel the question speaks for itself, but I wonder if there's a way to see what works a troper follows he way you can see what you follow yourself.
openEdit war on the Tear Jerker page
On December 7, the troper https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=FantiSci
added this to the tear jerker page of Encanto.
- Mirabel's "you're perfect as you are!" conversation with her mother when her hand is healed is sweet and funny...but there's also a bit of justified bitterness in Mirabel's tone when she points out that Julieta has just healed her hand with magic. Julieta is correct — but Julieta is also the Madrigal with the most manageable and most obviously beneficial power. From her daughter's perspective, it's a bit like a supermodel lecturing you on why looks aren't everything. It also doesn't help that Julieta still thinks that Mirabel was (possibly unconsciously) acting out because of envy at Antonio's successful ceremony — she's one of Mirabel's strongest supporters, and even she doubts her.
- Even more heartwrenching is that this moment also makes Julieta unknowingly insensitive in another layer - as stated earlier, the Madrigal family took a family picture without Mirabel. And even Julieta didn't notice. So, when Julieta makes that line, it rings even hollower.
- In addition to this, the family do nothing to stand up for Mirabel when Alma is being cruel to her. Her mother essentially expects Mirabel to see herself as 'perfect' as she is while she's stuck in an environment that singles her out near constantly
On December 24, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=whoseliner
removed it with the edit reason: that they do stand for her.
On that same day, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=FantiSci
added it back with this for an edit reason: Last edit deleted an entire entry on the basis that they disagreed with a small part of it.
On the 26, I removed all of that with a few others while linking it to this discussion: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13327578050A72722200&page=325#comment-8105
To their credit, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=FantiSci
did try to stark a discussion even though they technically already edit warred (I didn't realize until I started digging to find the original poster) https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=TearJerker.Encanto
However, today, I found that they had added it back with this edit reason: See discussion - there is plenty of evidence in the film to justify these points.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=TearJerker.Encanto
Except as you will see in my second to last link, no had replied to their discussion. Permission to redelete?
Edited by LadyErinNYopenDid I edit war by mistake?
So, I suggested on the FPC thread that we make an entry for Kingsmen: The Secret Service here
. Most were kay with it. So, I looked through the history of FanPreferredCouple.Live Action Films and found out that an entry had already been deleted for not mentioning a creator preferred one here
. So, I suggested readding it with mention of one here
and was again given the okay. So I added it to the age. Now I don't believe this was the edit war as I got permission from the cleanup thread first. However, I then added it to the Kingsman: The Secret Service page and discovered that it had been deleted from there
, without edit reason. Is this edit warring since I still had approval to add the entry from the cleanup thread? I was not being the one who originally added it and it was deleted without edit reason which to my understanding is not okay.
I want to report myself if I edit warred.
resolved CerebusCallBack applied to fan works
There a a few Cerebus Call-Back subpages for fan works that were previously under Cerebus Retcon, but were cut as, per this thread
, they were in regards to things that happened in the original work, not the fanfic itself. Do they apply under this trope?

YMMV.Star Wars Visions Ronin
The work released October 12, 2021, so it's too soon for BBC which needs 6 months.
It's currently the only trope on the page. Should the page be cut or is there anything else to add to it/replace BBC with?