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openSilly Reason for Edit War
Last year, I got into a bit of an edit war with Vulkus over Man of Kryptonite, specifically the grammar of the page quote. On December 9th, 2021
, I changed the page quote from:
To:
A little under one hour later
, Vulkus edited the page to remove the spaces after each ellipsis that I added. Unwisely, I readded them
(not thinking about how this would be an edit war on my part), and Vulkus removed them again
. (Neither of us provided any edit reasons.)
After that, I decided to drop the matter, since the matter apparently wasn't brought up to the mods' attention and because I didn't want to be suspended. However, six days ago
, I decided to re-add the spaces after the ellipses. I know that I was probably Digging Myself Deeper, but I think I was hoping that Vulkus wouldn't react and that the matter would stop there — sure enough, though, Vulkus deleted the spaces again
. (Again, no edit reasons from either of us.) At that point, I became motivated enough to PM Vulkus, hoping that we could discuss the matter — however, six days later, Vulkus has yet to respond.
I know that my behavior was unacceptable and probably grounds for a suspension, and that the matter is trivial to the point of being absurd. Nonetheless, I think it's important to bring this edit war to light, particularly because I am fairly certain that ellipses should be followed by spaces in proper English grammar.
Edited by ClancyGardeneropenPronoun inconsistency Anime
Kyubey's section
in the Puella Magi Madoka Magica character page has a few inconcsistencies with the pronouns used for him. Most sections use he/him, while some use they/them or it/its.
There's also the following example:
- Heel–Face Turn: This is very unusually subverted for many reasons. The first one is that following Madoka's wish and the rewriting of reality, he/they no longer needs to be a manipulative mastermind. Secondly he/they doesn't change in the slightest, he/they just doesn't have the motivation in this world. Thirdly he ultimately chooses to re-rewrite reality anyway out of greed in the movie and goes back to their old scheming ways.
And this:
- Your Approval Fills Me with Shame: Gives one on occasion, as far as he/she/it can actually express approval. The one he's speaking with definitely feels shame as a result.
In the anime, Kyubey refers to himself with "boku", and English supplementary material refers to Kyubey with he/him pronouns.
What do we do?
Edited by YuriHaru567openOne Hit Wonder - for albums as well as songs? Music
supernintendo128 added an example to One Hit Wonder.Rock Music about an artist only known for one album. That term, and the page itself, traditionally refers to artists known for one song, not an album. The article itself describes songs not albums, most references I can find about the term describe songs not albums too. The term for an artist known for only one album seems to be "One Album Wonder". A One Album Wonder is a very different thing from a One Hit Wonder for songs: A "one album wonder" might have multiple hit songs from one album but then never have any others (Hootie & the Blowfish or Lauryn Hill, for instance) and none of those artists are listed on the One Hit Wonder pages.
I removed the example because it seemed to me to be a misuse of the trope and its long-held definition, but now I'm wondering if "One Album Wonder" or something to that effect could be its own trope or own subsection.
What do you all think should be done? Was this Remo Drive example about an album a misuse of the trope, or should One Album Wonder acts be listed in a new subpage? At the very least, I think listing album examples alongside the song examples could become very confusing very fast.
Edited by thelivingtoadopenFinding Nemo and Overprotective Dad Western Animation
I'm not 100% sure this is the right place to ask. My doubt isn't about the entry itself or its usage, but the correctness of this entry in YMMV.Finding Nemo that I find rather excessive:
- "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny:
- Marlin is the Trope Codifier of the Overprotective Dad trope mostly found in Western Animation. This has resulted in many other overprotective dads, like Dracula, Samson and Manny being seen as rip-offs of him.
openMisaimed Complaint (Halo 2022)? Live Action TV
So there's a bit on Halo's YMMV page about They Changed It, Now It Sucks!, that is railing against the Fanservice in the show.
- A lot of fans have been complaining about the show's heavy emphasis on Fanservice from a franchise with very little of it aside from Cortana's game design, with the second through fourth episode featuring at least one nude scene, including from the Chief himself. It's even more ironic considering the reaction to Cortana's design for the show, which made her more modest.
The issue I have is none of the scenes in question are played for Fanservice at all. Even calling them nude scenes is only technically correct, as two of them are scenes of characters performing surgery on themselves, another is simply a quick shot of a character getting changed in and out of clothes, and then there's one of a character in a bath that is played less for "look at how sexy this man is" (though it is Burn Gorman) and more for "look how decadent this new ruler of a planet is" Seems more like a complaint about human nudity in general, which seems a bit odd. That's ignoring the weasel words of "A lot of fans".
I figure the example should either be cut or rewritten.
openMabinogi Fan Preferred Couple
There was some conversation in text with Fan-Preferred Couple in Mabinogi, so I trimmed it down. However FPC requires canon love interests, and I am unfamiliar with the work and unsure if the trope even applies.
- Fan-Preferred Couple:
- TarlachXKristell have pretty much expressed their feelings for each other, but certain circumstances got in the way. [[spoiler:Like having to turn yourself into a bear and sealing yourself off in a cold and isolated place because you weren't able to control your mana during the day to allow yourself to ''live''.]
- NaoXMorrighan seems to be the absolutely One True Pairing of Mabinogi. Nao is Morrighan's handmaiden (similar with Jenna to Neamhain), a compensation as it were, to make up for Nao dying in Morrighan's service and because she needed someone to act as a gate keeper for the soul-stream.
If someone familiar with Mabinogi can chime in, thank you.
Edited by AppleChildopenHow are examples to be sorted?
I feel some trepidation to even ask this, I don't want to get anyone in trouble, or get myself volunteered for a herculean task, but... aren't examples supposed to always be sorted by work title on a Main/ page, and within series by episode sequence?
For example, let's say Star Trek has three examples of one trope. Then the Star Trek examples go after the Good Wife examples and before the Wonder Woman examples. The three Star Trek examples would probably be sorted either by original broadcast order or production order.
On one trope, the problem may have been caused by someone forgetting to omit "The" for the purposes of alphabetization. Then other people who added examples got confused but kept adding at the wrong end.
But on another trope, I can't discern any rhyme or reason to the order things are in. I had one hypothesis but quickly saw it to be incorrect.
openProblematic Troper on MHA page.
Hello. I hope it's not an issue for me to have this privated. This is the first time I'm giving a general report about a troper as opposed to one single Edit War, so I would feel more comfortable with this post being private if that's okay.
Joe Mere is a troper who does a lot of editing on the YMMV.My Hero Academia page. They just recently readded
a Signature Scene entry that was cut along with many other entries under that trope (most of which Mere himself added). That is one thing, but in general Mere does have a troublesome edit history on that page and other MHA pages. I've seen instances of them adding back or deleting entire entries with no edit reason. In fact, as far as I've seen, they've never put anything in the edit reason section.
Instances include deleting Hawks
and Kirishima's
Ensemble Dark Horse entries (contributing to what could also be considered an Edit War on that page), readding Endeavor and All Might as
Designated Heroes despite them being cut by the DH/DV thread, and adding back Midoriya
as a Base-Breaking Character despite him having been shot down repeatedly.
While looking through their edits on that page I've also seen them add entries with Playing With terms, like Subverted or Deconstructed, despite YMMV tropes not being able to be played with. I counted four times where they added an entry like this which was soon after deleted with this explained in the edit reason (which unfortunately I can't add the links to as clicking the edit dates past the last 15 edits causes the page to crash on my computer). And in general many of their entries tend to be low-context or use Weasel Words.
openQuestionable YMMV entry
Found this under Watch It for the Meme on Poltergeist
- The Simpsons parodied the clown with Krusty and Bart in a Treehouse of Horror. It can be something of a surprise in itself to find out that the clown itself is not a larger part of the story and in fact is just one scare that occurs very close to the end. The Simpsons also included a number of shout-outs in the first ever Halloween short, including a house built on a burial ground, a vortex to another dimension in the wall (which becomes irritated when Bart keeps throwing garbage into it) and finally the house imploding, though this is Played for Laughs, as the house would rather be destroyed than live with The Simpsons.
This really seems like misuse. It doesn't mention the film's actual memes, like "Theeey're heeeere!" and just focuses on a single parody, which was mostly a parody of The Amityville Horror (1979), not just Poltergeist. And I'm pretty sure The Simpsons have never parodied the Poltergeist clown doll (Clown Without Pity is specifically based on Living Doll with elements of Childs Play). And Bart doesn't throw anything in the vortex, in fact he's not even in that scene.
openFound a self rec (?)
I was browsing FanficRecs.Sonic The Hedgehog, when I noticed that a review for The CRONIES pointed out that the troper who recommended the fic (Apollo A) has a suspiciously similar name to the author (Apollo Alexandre). According to the review, the fic isn't very good either, with nobody being in character. Should I delete the rec or nah?
resolved Do self-demonstrating pages get Laconics? Print Comic
Laconic.The Joker is a laconic for SelfDemonstrating.The Joker. Is this allowed?
openNamespace move suggestion thread? Western Animation
Hello, I have another unrelated question. I couldn't find a thread regarding possible namespace move suggestions (because I have a few, related to the medium I tagged this query as). Perhaps I just looked straight over it, in that case I apologize.
EDIT: To clarify, I couldn't find one specifically for Western Animation, no matter where I looked... Could I start one myself, or is that considered a no-no? I don't wanna make any moves without consensus, and I only wanna start such a thread if other people agree with it.
Edited by LotteVopenAdding Images Without Replacing Any Images Videogame
In Arknights, a new character Heidi recently became playable. In her character folder in Arknights Supporters A To M, her only image is of her younger self, while her playable self is older and thus has different images. Is it okay to post the new images in the folder without consulting the Image Pickin' forums and place the current image in a note, as I am not replacing any images?
Edited by Excessive-Menaceopen ThatOneBoss and Definition. Videogame
Earlier today, I had removed the below entries on the That One Boss page for Elden Ring.
I removed them for the following reasons:
- First entry is a Wake-Up Call Boss.
- Second boss is a Bonus Boss as part of an optional sidequest, and the entry basically reads as "boss is hard cause it can summon adds. Oh and it hurts a bit", both of which don't stick out as That One Boss material.
- The last two entries are part of the Final Boss, which That One Boss page says don't qualify. I have put spoiler tags over them to be safe. The flavor text above them also isn't really a valid justification to say they are harder then any other past games boss ether.
Currently these are under discussion on the Discussion tab but I wanted opinions from those outside of that, since I don't want to seem too much like I am saying "RULE SAYS THIS" when I could be taking it too literal.
- Margit, the Fell Omen is likely the first major story boss the player will face, as he guards the main route into Stormveil Castle, and he's very tough for how early he can be fought, notorious for giving players a serious wake-up call possibly within the first few hours of their playthrough. His moveset is quite varied, between quick strikes that come when you think he's open and delayed smashes that punish players who panic-roll, and he strings them in combos that in other FromSoftware games would only appear much later. Thankfully, there is a special item that can be bought from the Twin Husk/Patches whose only purpose is to bind Margit for a few seconds so to allow the player some free hits. You can also bypass Margit and Stormveil Castle entirely, but ignoring it will lock you out of certain quests, plus Margit drops a Talisman Pouch when defeated, so ideally you need to come back to him at a later point if this route is chosen.
- Commander Niall fought at the top of Castle Sol starts the battle summoning two spectral Banished Knights to the fight - one with a shield, another with two swords. You've faced those spectral knights on the way up, and alone they're already quite a handful due to the amount of punishment they can take and deal. Niall himself is no slouch either, boasting deadly attacks with a large reach. Take out the Knights and he Turns Red, imbuing himself with lightning and gaining powerful stomps that can cover a large portion of the arena. It will take a fair bit of effort (or some cheese on your part) to take him out and recover the other half of the Haligtree Medallion.
- The final challenge of Elden Ring has you fighting two bosses back to back, and even by the Final Boss standards of most Soulsborne titles, these two are ridiculously powerful and will likely take you several dozen attempts on your first playthrough:
- First up is the almighty Radagon of the Golden Order. Brandishing the hammer that shattered the Elden Ring and that might yet repair it, he is immune to bleed buildup and heavily resistant to holy damage, putting faith and many dexterity or arcane builds at a lofty disadvantage out of the gate. He's ridiculously aggressive and effective, both in close range with his brutal hammer swings and light shockwaves and at a distance with his lightning spears that chunk you for massive damage if you don't roll out of the way or have resistance to holy damage yourself, alongside quick 'fan' lightning shots that he can throw out at a moment's notice. What really makes him frustrating is that once he powers up at about two-thirds of his health gone, alongside the aforementioned AOE ground stomps, he also gains a nasty Teleport Spam habit, sometimes teleporting right on top of you in the middle of your swing, damaging you, pushing you away and following it up with even more nasty melee strikes. Some of his melee attacks can be parried, and he's susceptible to other ailments such as frost buildup, but if you can't get the timing down you're in for a rough round one.
- After defeating Radagon, you have one last opponent to face - the Elden Beast, who is particularly annoying since it not only has a number of difficult-to-avoid attacks, but it just doesn't stay still. The Elden Beast is constantly on the move, sinking into the ground where it is impossible to hit and then relocating to the other side of the massive boss arena. The player has to chase it on foot, and by the time they've reached the Beast they've barely got enough stamina for an extra attack before it starts moving again. While you're in melee range its size and attack animations don't play nice with the lock-on camera, disorienting you when you are about to strike. All the constant chasing can turn what should have been an epic final confrontation into an unbearable slog, especially when you realize it's immune to all status ailments that would otherwise help shorten the fight. As for some of the aforementioned highly-damaging, difficult-to-dodge attacks, one amounts to a platforming challenge where summoned rings have to be jumped over to avoid a large holy explosion, but the most chaotic moment comes when the Elden Beast conjures a miniature sun that shoots out a constant stream of stars as it chases the player. Not only does it last a long time, but it also continues to track you as the Elden Beast attacks independently of its movements, forcing you to choose between constantly getting hit by the stars while avoiding the boss's attacks, or avoiding the stars while getting wrecked by whatever moves the Elden Beast has decided to do in the interim. And yes, as mentioned before, you have to fight both Radagon and the Elden Beast in one go, with no flask refills in-between. If there was ever a game that made you Earn Your Happy Ending, it's Elden Ring.
openMisaimed Fandom for American Psycho
A couple days ago, dartheal removed the following Misaimed Fandom entry from YMMV.American Psycho:
openSomeone's edit warring with themself on Our Kelpies Are Different
Over the past few months, Cooking Cat has been making edits to the last paragraph of Our Kelpies Are Different's description, which consist of flopping back and forth between "northern" and "northwestern". I feel like this is breaking some rule.
Edited by NitroIndigoopen[Resolved] Girl Genius: Secret Blueprints as Trivia? Webcomic
Trivia.Girl Genius contains info about "The Secret Blueprints". While I take these are some sort of Bonus Material, I know for sure there are a few problems with it.
- It takes 92% of the page with a 46k symbols on something not tropes or production info, and nobody touched it since 2012. It goes into excessive details describing the contents of each book, which sounds more like Recap than trivia.
- It says "also available on Girl Genius Wiki". As far as I can tell
, that was never true, unless there was another wiki.
- Some choice words and second person writing makes me wonder if it's plagiarized, which I can't confirm myself.
Any suggestions what to do here?
Edited by AmonimusopenQuestionable edits
Someone needs to check up on the troper Pakicetidae, as while they appear to have made a number of legit edits, some of their other edits are questionable:
- From here
and below, they made strange edits to Fan Dumb (changing category names to more politically-charged ones, and I think they tried to add a picture)
- Similar edits
to Hate Dumb
- An arbitrary name change
to a hypothetical example
- Added a mention of themself
to an example that already violated This Troper (the offending parts have since been deleted)
At the very least, the first two seem to violate the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment, and they didn't give reasons for any of their edits. Were those name changes ever discussed anywhere, and if not, are they free to get reverted?
openIs it appropriate to have Will Smith slap Chris Rock as a profile?
The title is self-explanatory. The reason I ask because I was thinking which picture will be my new profile so I pick the slap incident because it's a meme. And I don't know if the Will Smith slap incident is appropriate enough. What you guys think?
Edited by Bubblepig

Not even sure where such questions belongs, so asking here. Let's start with a backstory, cause I likely wouldn't be able to explain properly without it.
Two writers, both writing about the same topic (let's call them Alice and Bob for now) were arguing about one element of Alice-created world, which Alice considered "unavoidable evil", and Bob considered, basically, Moral Event Horizon.
They chose to dispute it by writing a short story (a non-canon crossover between their worlds), with each side taking turns and writing their parts from their characters' point of view, and defending their position. They never came to an agreement and... let's just say, those two are no longer friends.
But some time later, another author (let's call him Charlie) came to Alice and offered to write another short story, where that issue finally was resolved... by Taking a Third Option to the original conflict. Even "Alice" himself calls it such on his site (where he hosts all his works).
And here comes the issue. As far as I understand, "meta" examples aren't allowed at all? But in that case, what other way it may be mentioned? Aforementioned conflict and finding an alternate solution to it is the entire reason why the short story was written in the first place, but they don't share continuity.