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resolved What if a work doesn't have an official English translation? Web Original
It's exclusively in Korean. There isn't any fan translations either. Do I translate the work's title and character names into English myself?
Edited by BriliantDropresolved Colonel-Knight-Rider and The Super Mario Bros. Movie Hate
Okay, so a certain troper, Colonel-Knight-Rider, has been adding multiple They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character entries on the YMMV section of The Super Mario Bros. Movie and one of them especially stuck out to me as being especially nitpicky.
- Spike. His only reason for being in the movie is to drive home the point further that Mario and Luigi hated their old jobs, whatever they were, hence their plumbing business; and that they've received unjust derision for their ambitions, which they've already received repeatedly from their father. Beyond that, he does nothing to help or hinder Mario's quest to save Luigi. And, during the final battle, pretty much all Spike does is notice Bowser's castle popping up in Brooklyn before fleeing from the unusual sight. If Spike disappeared from the movie, the Mario Bros. would still undergo the same character arc of trying to win their father's approval. (By contrast, the activities of what many consider to be his 1993 movie counterpart Anthony Scapelli kickstart the Bros.' whole interdimensional adventure!)
Ignoring the fact that Spike's whole point in the movie is to be a minor character, he actually does impact the plot in some way by being one of the main reasons for why Mario feels so "small" and "insignificant" to everyone and adding to Mario's motivation of wanting to feel more important, which is what motivates him to fix a flooding in Brooklyn and therefore leads him and Luigi to the Mushroom Kingdom and the Dark Lands respectively and the rest is history. Also some weird 1993 movie glazing because Vindicated by History I guess.
Also the troper who added this, Colonel-Knight-Rider, seemingly has a serious vendetta and hatred towards this movie as they have been adding constant negative examples and downright complainy edits at times to their examples in this movie's YMMV section (with them also citing a random YouTuber, The Little Platoon, who gave a negative review towards the movie in many of their YMMV edits and examples for some reason)
This is their edit about said YouTuber in the Awesome Music section for some reason.
- While YouTube commentator The Little Platoon argued that the movie wasted a lot of opportunities to do something original with its source material to create a unique experience one couldn't get from just playing a game, he, too, stated that he enjoyed Tyler's score, citing it as the most redeeming aspect of the film by balancing the familiar with the new.
This is their edit about said YouTuber again on the They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot section.
- Another complaint among fans, particularly YouTube commentators such as The Little Platoon, is that the movie wasted its potential to do something more with its references besides simply showing them to appeal to nostalgia for the games—specifically, to use them to build a more complex and intricate world with them and develop the main and supporting cast more, as well as to take time to introduce the characters and the world they inhabit to people who might not know who they are (sure, Mario and Luigi are pretty well-known even in non-fan circles, but not as many non-fans know who Peach, Bowser, Toad, Kamek, etc. are), in a manner similar to how the Marvel Cinematic Universe introduced its characters to non-Marvel Comics fans and expanded the Marvel fanbase as a result.
All of this implies a possible case of Single-Issue Wonk is at foot here. For example, this is a Kong section that they added to the They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character section with an especially complainy part at the end that was edited out by another troper.
- The Kongs themselves. Even if Peach had never taken Mario and Toad to the Jungle Kingdom, Mario still would have trained more to learn how different power-ups work and how to navigate different obstacles, used the power-ups to be a One-Man Army and save Luigi and the other hostages, accidentally transported the principle players and Bowser's castle to Brooklyn, gotten a hold of the Super Star, and saved the day, just like he does in the final cut. In that sense, the Kongs, like a lot of stuff in this movie, were added solely for nostalgic appeal and contribute nothing to the outcome of the story whatsoever.
This is not the first time they’ve done this too. They did this before on January this year as well with just as much of an egregiously complainy addition at the end as well. I deleted this one myself because of how egregiously complainy it was as well as giving reasons as to why the Kongs were necessary to the plot of the movie.
- The Kongs. With or without them, Mario still would've trained to perfection (and likely learned more about how powerups work, so he'd know which to use to save the prisoners himself without Donkey Kong's strength) rescued Luigi, created a dimensional merge with the Bomber Bill, and saved the day with the Super Star, just like he did. Effectively, with the Bros. being a one- (or two-) man army, Peach didn't need help from the Kongs at all, but they were clearly included nonetheless to pad out the runtime and for nostalgic appeal, as were a fair bit of things in this movie.
I tried DMing them to stop with their seemingly Single-Issue Wonk behavior regarding this movie and they did at first adjust and edit their Kong example to be more fair and less complainy as shown here:
- The Kongs, at least those excluding Donkey Kong. Even if Peach had never taken Mario and Toad to the Jungle Kingdom, Mario still would have trained more to learn how different power-ups work and how to navigate different obstacles, used the power-ups to be a One-Man Army and save Luigi and the other hostages (possibly with a strength-granting power-up like the Mega Mushroom), accidentally transported the principle players and Bowser's castle to Brooklyn, gotten a hold of the Super Star, and saved the day, just like he does in the final cut. All while not being eaten by the Maw-Ray as a result of never traveling by Kong-made Karts. Although it could be counter-argued that DK's strength is necessary to hoist the prisoners to freedom, with the prospect of saving his species as his motive, the rest of the Kongs don't really get a chance to do what they were hired for after that and fight against Bowser's forces.
and I thought they had stopped altogether, but they have since then continued to add more negative examples like the "Spike" one as well as a So Okay, It's Average example towards the movie as well.
- In the view of professional and amateur critics alike, while the movie succeeds in avoiding Illumination's usual film structure and offers some impressive animation, orchestral scoring, and obvious passion for the source material, it doesn't offer much else beyond that. So, it's a fun, harmless means of escapism Mario fans of all ages with a good few memorable action sequences, and it took a labor of love to create every piece of eye and ear candy, but those expecting to see groundbreaking plot development, complex character dynamics, and meta-humor on par with those of The LEGO Movie or Barbie shouldn't get their hopes up high.
This is an Ass Pull entry that they added on January this year that I deleted for reasons explaining how it’s not an Ass Pull.
- Toad is somehow able to smuggle an ice flower into Peach's wedding bouquet so she can use it to freeze Bowser despite the movie not showing how he got it, let alone in a giant floating castle island made of volcanic rock.
I went to the They Wasted A Perfectly Good Cleanup forum
and they gave me permission to delete their They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character entries so I already took care of those.
Is there anything we should do about the others?
Edited by Fireball246openMake Your Mark Western Animation
To whomever it may concern,
I’m fairly new here in TV Tropes and I noticed that the page image for Make Your Mark in Western Animation isn’t the correct show logo since it has an outdated logo with the fourth generation design on top of the current. Is it possible to be adjusted to the show’s intro picture that I previously used since it’s more accurate to the animation itself, and not an outdated poster? My sincerest apologies that this wasn’t first brought up here.
openQuestion regarding AI upscaling
Awhile back I saved a reminder to my first sandbox about page image uploading (I'm not sure if I should link it directly to the forums just to be safe?) as a reminder to myself and it got me thinking...
"What are the rules for AI upscaling images? Is there a ban on doing such? Should we only upscale images if the page really needs it? If there is an image I think is super relevant but it's super low quality (and can't find a higher quality version), should it be AI upscaled or not posted onto the site at all?"
PS. I know how to use Photoshop but I don't know how to upscale images manually without using AI tech. I have never upscaled an image before and I do my own trope writing by myself without AI.
resolved Make Your Mark Page image changed without discussion
User FaolanCortez
changed the page image for WesternAnimation.My Little Pony Make Your Mark. I reverted it and explained he had to consult the Image Pickin’ forum if he wanted to change the page image, but then he changed it back again and claimed it was a “image quality upgrade”
For reference, this was the original image:

I’m not gonna change it back otherwise I’m dragging myself into another edit war. Any thoughts, or should I have brought this to the IP myself?
Edited by BlueBlazesresolved HuniepopCompletionist
Huniepop Completionist has a habit of adding ROCEJ-breaking edits to pages, multiple of them having been brought up in the ROCEJ cleanup thread. One of them was a Hindsight shoehorn that amounted to "The cameo by [creator] can come across as this after their later transgressions"...but on overdrive. Even after I sent notifiers, they replied back to me today about the edit in an aggressive manner, accusing me of being wrong and not understanding the trope. I'll post the HIH entry here and let you decide if it breaks ROCEJ or not. This is from Primeval:
- The cameo by wildlife documentary host Nigel Marven in season 3: episode 4 can come across as mean spirited when in a 2025 youtube interview
Nigel cited Primeval's fall season airdate as the reason for the cancellation of Prehistoric Park which Nigel starred in.note Prehistoric Park aired in the summer in the UK which meant that children who were most likely to watch it were outside instead of inside watching tv. The show did have amazing DVD sales and was a hit overseas, but that was after it's cancellation While Nigel didn't hold any ill will towards Primeval, the cameo now comes across as a bit childish and mean as in it Nigel portrays a Jerkass TV reporter and is killed off, with it heavily being implied that the reporter is meant to be a direct caricature of Nigel himself. As if the show is gloating about ending his series and implying he's secretly a jerk off camera.
Also the rest of their edit history
and reports of there edits in the cleanup thread
for good measure.
resolved YMMY page for The Cape (2012)
I've a question about the page for the comic book miniseries The Cape
. My question comes from the fact that long time ago, Eric Chase from the series was approved as a CM by the troper Ravok and since the page was created long after his approval, it is not on the YMMY page (in fact, there is no YMMY page abouyt the comic). Here's the entry:
Eric Chase is a lazy and selfish sociopath who discovers that his childhood cape grants him the ability of flight, and chooses to use this power to stroke his own ego. First brutally murdering his girlfriend after he becomes paranoid she is cheating on him, Eric, as detailed in the interquel Fallen, is struck by a crisis of conscience that he ultimately ignores, embracing his inner vileness as he massacres an entire group of LAR Pers he was hanging out with. Later using his own mother as a hostage in an attempt to burn his hated brother alive, Eric murders several police officers investigating him — a pair of them by dropping a live bear on top of their car — before downing an entire airplane his mother is on, killing her and hundreds of people at once. Though once a sweet child desperate for his father's approval, Eric knowingly and willingly becomes a monster in adulthood, refusing to take guilt or responsibility for his life and instead blaming everyone around him for his faults, and deciding that the punishment for them all should be death.
My question is if I can add the entry and the YMMY page myself, if I should mention it here, or if a thread for the matter exists.
openPossibly shoehorned fan works? Film
YMMV.K Pop Demon Hunters has a lot of links to fan works even though that should be on a separate page. Examples:
- Fandom-Specific Plot:
- A fair amount of fan art pieces (like this one
) revolves around Rumi being hesitant that Mira and Zoey would not accept them for their demon heritage...Only to have the other two fawn over her in desire and eager to see more of her. <—-I don't see any reason to link to that specific fanart except for self promotion
- A fair amount of fan art pieces (like this one
- Fanon:
- As a result of the fandom believing Jinu is not dead and gone, a popular fan canon claims that his soul now exists in Rumi's new sword. There's already a fanwork
which depicts said sword as a Talking Weapon who comforts Rumi when summoned. <—-Again, I don't see the point/relevance of linking that specific fanwork except for self promotion
- As a result of the fandom believing Jinu is not dead and gone, a popular fan canon claims that his soul now exists in Rumi's new sword. There's already a fanwork
- Friendly Fandoms:
- Many were quick to point out the similarities between Huntrix and K/DA, regarding the former as something of a Spiritual Successor considering the latter is still on hiatus. Naturally there is shipping.
<—-Crossover Ship already covers the shipping aspect, no need to add a random fanart piece
- With Transformers One for similar reasons (Transformers One released on Netflix four days beforehand) due to the surprisingly similar fun yet dark vibes, action and angst. There's even fan-made edits!
<—-Why is linking the fan edit necessary?
- With Devil May Cry, due to their similarities causing this film to be perceived as a spiritual adaptation of that franchise. Rumi is being compared to Dante because just like him, she is also a sword-wielding half-demon who hunts other demons while looking good in style, and being good at dancing. Some fanworks depict them getting along as fellow hunters if they meet
.<—-Again, it is highly unnecessary to add a fan art link when it is already explained why there is a shared fandom
- Many were quick to point out the similarities between Huntrix and K/DA, regarding the former as something of a Spiritual Successor considering the latter is still on hiatus. Naturally there is shipping.
openQuestion about image picking
Sorry if this is a dumb question. I'm building a nightmare fuel page from scratch. Can I choose and put an image on my own? Or I necessarily need the approval of the forum? Also, if there's a page with no nightmare fuel page and nowhere it says the page shouldn't have one, can I put one myself? Thank you for reading.
Edited by FarlopiumopenAn error with image links
So I just discovered this weird problem while I was editing Ensemble Stars Eden the other day.
I wanted to provide a link to an image that shows a younger version of a specific character. When I open the link on my computer, it doesn't show the image, but when I open the link on Safari via iOS or the TV Tropes app, the link does show the image!
I have no idea what's going on here. Is it a bug connected to the website itself or an error with my computer?
- Hairstyle Inertia: Downplayed. Unlike most of the game's cast which retain the hairstyles they had in their youth, Nagisa sported a long side ponytail
when he was younger. In the present he wears a back ponytail around the same length (though sometimes his unitmate Ibara braids his hair when stressed).
openBastard!! - page name question Anime
I noticed that the page for Bastard 1988 specifies the year in the work name, but the page itself also covers the 2022 adaptation, and the page image is from the 2022 adaptation as well.
I would suggest the 1988 be dropped from the page name — I think just "Bastard!!" is more appropriate, if the page is going to cover multiple iterations of the work — but I am not familiar with it at all (was browsing randomly), so I don't think I should make that decision.
I don't know if that would mean the WikiWord should change as well, which is a larger project.
Again, since I'm not familiar with the work, if people don't think it's an issue, no worries. If there are any changes that don't require having read or seen it, I'm happy to make them.
Edited by DiggerMopenShallow Parody removal question
Hi,
This was an entry on Shallow Parody:
- An alternative version of the meme also has the characters being "redesigned in the Vivziepop style", which depicts them as Alastor Palette Swaps, despite the fact that not all of Medrano's character designs are fancy-looking tall guys.
And it was removed for this reason:
If these reasons are valid, would it be acceptable to reword the entry to be more neutral in tone and talk specifically about the works that were the origin points of these memes?
Edited by ImperialMajestyXOopenEdit war on TADC
On Characters.The Amazing Digital Circus Players, xVanitas is edit warring:
- RebelFalcon
removed a Secretly Selfish entry, stating that a human wanting affection and attention is a basic need.
- Vanitas
restored the entry (albeit rewritten).
- MagmaTeaMerry
removed per the TADC cleanup
- Restored again by Vanitas
I haven't watched the episode but the consensus is that all the edits reek of Ron the Death Eater-esque agenda editing.
openBetter Than Canon no longer allowed on YMMV Pages? Web Original
I'm trying to find when the decision that Better Than Canon is no longer allowed on YMMV pages was made, as I recently got a notification that amounted to "It's not allowed on YMMV pages anymore, only on the page itself" and I'm like... since when? I remember seeing it on the SAO Abridged page less than six months ago. It doesn't make sense that its disallowed since its inverse, Canon Defilement, is still allowed.
What's the point of having a wiki-like format if we're not allowed to have links to pages from other pages?
Edited by PhyrexianAjani95resolved What do I do with a fanfic rec if the fanfic in question no longer exists?
So I recently discovered that the links on the page for a Danny Phantom crackfic best known as The Crack no longer work. In addition, I did a quick Google search to see if the fanfic itself still exists in some form, and it seems it doesn't.
I already went ahead and sent requests for both it and its YMMV page over to the Cut List to be deleted. After I did that, I discovered that the fanfic is listed as a recommendation in the fanfic recs page for Danny Phantom.
So what happens now? Will the recommendation stay up, or will it have to be deleted soon since the fanfic is now lost media?
Edited by ArielLightningopenWhat to do with [=CN=] servers being ahead of global given potential spoiler warnings Videogame
There is a concern I have with regards to potential spoilers in Reverse: 1999 due to CN servers being two patches ahead of global.
I am of the general opinion that, because of how critical R1999 is when it comes to its narrative driven approach, publicly listing CN characters ahead of global will, in itself be highly spoilery (i.e. Moldir being playable is in itself, incredibly spoiler heavy for global) and may lead to the potential snowball effect of editors just outright listing lore-heavy spoiler tropes way ahead of what global players are expecting.
While I have heard that other gacha pages like GFO and Arknights have their CN listed characters, I don't think Reverse should follow what these other communities do with regards to their CN stuff.
Spoilers is a hazard in R1999 and there is a large sub-set of R1999 players who actively want to avoid all CN news. If I was a unassuming global player that would like to read the character pages of Reverse, I would have zero warning that CN characters alongside potential CN spoilers would appear once I scroll down (assuming we go ahead with publicly listing the CN stuff). Given that there is no warning in the character pages of R1999, what can we do?
I prefer just hiding all CN stuff until global catches up to that patch. Nevertheless, I would like some advice or consensus here on what to do with this and how to construct these pages if needed.
resolved Permission to revert edit without conducting Edit War. Webcomic
On May 31st
, TF Razorsaw moved the character folder for "Zenith" from Digimon Liberator from the "Debugging Team" section to the "Other" section, with the edit reason "Zenith is not part of the debugging team, he was a Guest-Star Party Member."
I shortly after contacted them via PM and pointed out that, as stated on the official website, Zenith is part of the Debugging Team.

On Characters.James And The Giant Peach, there's this example on the Centipede's folder:
I feel like the part in parentheses seems too much like it's trying to defend the Centipede, and seems too partisan.