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openShould we be encouraging Video Overdosing?
I often browse the new video examples page, and often the recurring works I see just seem like Entry Pimping uploaders' favorite works rather than actually trying to illustrate a trope. And when I found out about JustForFun.Video Overdosed, I thought to myself, "...that explains an awful lot."
I won't pretend I'm innocent of this myself, after all we generally can only give examples of what we know and are interested in, right? But sometimes it just feels like people are trying to race to see whose fandom can get the most videos uploaded.
openWhat is NightmareFuel/PokemonAdultHorrors?
So I genuinely can't figure out what NightmareFuel.Pokemon Adult Horrors... is? "Adult Horrors" is not a self-explanatory term, nor is it a TVT term. The "description" just seems to indicate that it's "Nightmare Fuel... but canon!" which doesn't seem to be anything separate.
openI think accidently edit warred?
So on Characters.Ben 10 Main Characters I fixed
the link to Ben 10: Ben Tennyson in the index at the top after Ahmed Bluth accidently removed from the index
. Now the thing I didn't remember until I looked at the history is that as the one who made the Ben page I was the one who added it to the index months ago
. So I think I accidently edit warred and if so I would like to appologise and report myself for punishment.
openWall of Text entry Western Animation
The YMMV page for "The Ending of the End, Part 2" has this very long entry under Draco in Leather Pants:
- All three of the villains received this status in spades for their punishment at the end of the episode.
- Chrysalis, Tirek, and Cozy Glow being turned to stone as punishments caused backlash by defenders, saying that they didn't deserve such a punishment due to being forced by Discord as Grogar to commit said actions, and they weren't being given a chance by the heroes to turn over a new leaf throughout the episode and the previous one. What is largely ignored is the fact that what the villains did to Equestria was what they've always wanted to do ever since they appeared in the show, they were mainly forced by Discord to work together as a team instead of individuals to make their plans succeed, and they have stated and shown more than once that they are not interested in friendship or reforming themselves like when Chrysalis turned down Starlight's offer of reformation at the end of To Where and Back Again. And on the subject of the villains' punishments, they not only tried to murder the Mane Six and the other heroes, but also destroy everything that made Equestria what it was which included dividing the three pony tribes against one and other, which as a result almost made everything that the Mane Six accomplished in the entire series be All for Nothing. And considering that they almost came close with succeeding at destroying Equestria and the heroes and even presumably even creating a forever bad memory that the population of Equestria won't be forgetting for a long time, imprisoning the villains in stone would be for the best to prevent a tragedy like that from happening again.
- Cozy Glow was hit with this the hardest out of the three villains. Defenders felt she did not deserve the same fate as Tirek and Chrysalis, due to simply being a child and saying she could have been given a lesser sentence to serve her time, and demonizing Celestia, Luna, and Discord for doing it to her. This is despite the fact that Cozy was well aware of what she was doing the entire time, and her actions were still as bad as Tirek and Chrysalis since her actions to drain the magic in Equestria and claim it as her own was kind of the same plan as Tirek's. She has even proudly called herself a villain and shows no remorse for any of her actions, and in fact actively enjoys it.
The first entry is overly long and keeps re-hashing the same points, and I'm not sure if it even fits, since it's mostly just saying that fans thought the punishment was harsh. The second entry is redundant with the first, only focusing more on Cozy Glow specifically. I've brought this up on the Wall of Text cleanup thread twice but been ignored both times.
Edited by Javertshark13openFanservice Tropes/Halo (2022) Live Action TV
I'm sorry if this should maybe go in another place, but I wasn't sure so I figured I'd start here. I've bene going over the Series / Halo 2022 character pages (which are a bit of a mess, but I'm trying to focus on one issue), and I figured I'd start with something small that's been bugging me.
Namely, the Mr/Ms. Fanservice tropes are used no less than 4 times on the character page, with what I would call very thin justification.
First, there's John the Master Chief
- Mr. Fanservice: Scarring aside, Chief is a very ripped man underneath all that armor. The third episode has him buck naked, with several full views of his rear, in the SPARTAN barracks, even if the scene in question has him taking a suppression implant out of his back using a knife.
As pointed out, the scene where John is nude is so he can perform surgery on himself, it's not scored or lit or shot in "look at how sexy John is" sort of way. He is muscular, but then so are plenty of the characters on the show.
Next, Kai another SPARTAN
- Ms. Fanservice: Like with her CO, Kai is shown naked in the SPARTAN barracks for a brief moment to show off her well-toned physique—and that she took out her hormonal pellet.
Same thing, the purpose of the nudity is not to titillate, arouse, or otherwise turn on the audience.
Third, there's Vinsher Grath, played by Burn Gorman
- Mr. Fanservice: He gets a scene in a bathhouse in Episode 4 showcasing his toned physique.
This is another one that I don't think qualifies, because as the scene did actually seem to be using the nudity for a purpose, but not fanservice. It was more so A: Vinsher could give secret orders to an assassin and B: to show how decadent he is now that he rules the planet-he's smoking a cigar in the bath as well, to showcase that he's living the high life.
Last but not least
- Ms. Fanservice: Makee gets to undress in the second episode, showing off her very attractive figure in the process (aside from some scarring).
There is, to be fair about a two-second shot of Makee's backside from a wide angle, but once again the nudity is being used to tell a story-namely, Makee is changing out of the clothes she wears when working for the Covenant (which she has presumably worn for decades) and into more human clothes. The scene also cuts to John explaining how he felt emotions for the first time in basically forever, to highlight that John and Makee are similar (both are becoming more human, so to speak, which gets brought up in later episodes), and in this case Makee spends a lot of time staring at her body, as if re-examining her limbs to understand that she is a human (as someone basically raised by aliens, she doesn't think of herself much as a human), so the nudity is, again, being used to tell a story.
So, I think the problem I have is these examples are operating under the idea that "nudity, for any reason at all=fanservice". Am I making too much of this, or should these examples maybe be removed? Obviously, anybody can be turned on by anything, and all of these characters are played by actors who are conventionally attractive, but given how attractive everybody is in tv/film, I figured there were some thresholds for Mr./Ms. Fanservice to avoid overuse and gushing.
For what it's worth, every single example was added by one troper, chris4449.
Edited by ArthurEldopenTroper with various issues
Indi Goskies has some issues among their otherwise correctly done entries.
-They utilized a Useful Notes entry as a trope on a character page
for Housepets!:
- Furry Fandom: He's an anthropomorphic dog who likes to dress up as an anthropomorphic cat, making him a very on-the-nose nod to the fandom.
I'm assuming this should be removed? If so, will cut the entry and send a notifier.
-They misspelled "herd" as "heard" twice on The Jungle Book 2 here
, crosswicking one example. These have been fixed. I sent grammar notifiers for these.
-I've already removed a trope entry they made for Bleached Underpants at that trope's page and Housepets! per this Trope Talk thread
. It didn't illustrate the trope, inverted or otherwise, had loads of natter, and minimally referenced the work itself.
openTropes involving a group of characters Western Animation
Encanto is a large cast movie, with 13 named members of Madrigal family itself plus a large handful of named villagers. One thing I've noticed in participating in the editing surrounding Encanto trope pages is the desire to take various 3, 4, or 5 person tropes and start filling out the ranks of those tropes with the members of the large cast.
What this seems to be doing is finding characters in the cast whose personality traits match up with the requirements of the trope even though the 3, 4, or 5 characters don't actually have any scenes where they function as a group, or team or ensemble.
For example, on the character page, Julieta and her 3 daughters (Luisa, Isabela and Mirabel) are listed as a Four-Girl Ensemble. It's a case where they are all members of the same family and each character does fulfill the basic personality requirements of the trope.
However, in terms of the story being told, they are never actually shown interacting as an ensemble. Mirabel has individual scenes with the other female members of her family but, aside from breakfast/dinner scenes, the four are never shown together "just hanging".
So my question is whether this trope is truly in play in this story?
Even the Four-Girl Ensemble example acknowledges that while they fit the personality types, they don't actually function as an ensemble in the story.
There are other tropes listed on the Encanto pages with a similar weakness. Matching personality traits? Yes. But, actually being a group, team, band or ensemble? Not so much.
To me it seems that both halves of the equation need to be "Yes" for the trope to be in play but I'd like some feedback on this.
resolved Possible ROCEJ pattern
nm3youtube has made a few edits lately that may be worth looking into for their potential ROCEJ-ness.
- On this page
, they turned this paragraph:
- While Belos was already feared as an authoritarian dictator his motives of being an anti-witch zealot and his abuse of Hunter make him far more terrifying, due to the abuse the real people face under religious households, and the atrocities committed in their name.
- into this (a lot more religiously/politically charged):
- While Belos was already feared as an authoritarian dictator his motives of being an anti-witch zealot and his abuse of Hunter make him far more terrifying, due to the abuse real people—especially LGBT people, who are readily accepted in the Boiling Isles, and people with interests their family considers "Satanic"—which is potentially everything even alluding to the concept of magic—face under fundamentalist religious households, and the atrocities both historical and modern religious zealots have committed in their God's name.
- Here
, as part of a Values Dissonance page, they changed a simple "...especially in The New '10s" to "...especially in The New '10s when J. K. Rowling's increasingly outspoken transphobia caused people to start paying attention to the series' politics".
- Then there's this (rather irrelevant) note they added to an entry on a SBIH page
:
- which became Hilarious in Hindsight when Russian dictator Vladimir Putin compared the shunning of Russia after the 2022 invasion of Ukraine to the controversy surrounding J. K. Rowling's outspoken transphobia, forcing Rowling to explicitly distance herself from him
openRule of thumb
In my time editing on this site, I’ve noticed that some character trope entries are written differently than their entry on the trope itself. I expected them to be a simple copy and paste but they're not. Are we supposed to write like this or can we just copy paste?
openNot very intense for MEH:
Reviewing YMMV.Love Victor and saw these:
- Moral Event Horizon: Father Lawrence scaring Adrian into thinking that Victor was going to hell for having a boyfriend, despite him accepting Victor happily that morning. This doesn’t sit well with Isabel.
- Isabel herself crosses this when she deliberately sabotages the meal she cooked for Victor’s friends after seeing him and Benji kiss.
- Even the biggest Benji supporters agree that he crossed a line when he outed Victor to Adrien while fighting with Isabel.
- While it’s understandable given how no one wanted Mia to move, Lake almost crosses this when she tried to hack Harold’s Twitter account to say something that’ll get him “lightly cancelled” in an effort to stop his Stanford job from following through. Thankfully Andrew stops her before it’s too late.
- Harold going back on his promise to Mia and accepting the Stanford position that will uproot his family yet again.
Now, none of these really fit the Moral Event Horizon, and I was about to delete but I know this trope has caused problems in the past so I thought I might post here for a review before I make changes.
And this might need to go to Trope Finder, but do we have a trope for when someone crosses the line that's not as character-defining as MEH is?
Edited by MegaJresolved Potential edit war over the same example
In this query
, I reported Stellavore for removing an example with a rude edit reason
that had more to do with the trope name being changed than the example itself. The example was restored
, and Stellavore has removed it again
.
open Self Report Music
It appears I have let my hatred for sexual predators seep into my edit reasons
beyond a point that is considered socially acceptable. Admittedly, I am not handling the notion of a prolific nonce being allowed any freedom whatsoever very well at all.
I just want to explain that I acted rashly due to my anti-predator bias, compounded by the fact that Ian Watkins—a man who considers molesting children "mega lolz"—could go free in seven years.
I am considering going on hiatus so that I can clear my head.
I understand if the mods feel a suspension is necessary. Hopefully, if such is the case, I can appeal a while after the suspension, when I have a clear head.
Edited by SkyCat32openQuestion about Narm
I noticed that on Narm's subpages (like Narm.Five Nights At Freddys), theres a Flame Bait banner. However, Narm itself has a YMMV banner, and isn't in the Flame Bait index. What's up with that?
openNon-YMMV trope on YMMV page
On the YMMV page for Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, lorgskyegon added this:
- Mistaken for Racist: It wasn't until ten episodes into the series that anyone from the cast or crew realized the implications of casting a black man as the Black Ranger and an Asian woman as the Yellow Ranger, but that was never the intention. Thuy Trang was actually a last-minute casting to replace the original Hispanic actress who quit holding out for a larger paycheck. Walter Jones was originally cast as the Blue Ranger. The producers wanted him to switch because the Black and Red Rangers were best friends in the Japanese footage and Jason and Zack were portrayed as such in the American footage. Jones agreed because he liked the Black Ranger costume better.
The problem is that the trope is not a YMMV trope or an Audience Reaction and the example is referring to something involving the production of the show rather than the show itself. What should be done about it? Should it be moved to something like Mis-blamed, moved to a different page, or just deleted outright?
openEdit war.
On YMMV.Six Of Crows the Complete Monster Entries were changed without discussion on thee thread from these:
- Complete Monster:
- Jan Van Eck is a seemingly-respectable merchant who turns out to be an egotistical sociopath obsessed with his own glory and reputation. Callously disowning his son Wylan for his dyslexia that has made him illiterate, Van Eck divorces his wife, throws her into an asylum and tells Wylan she's dead so he can steal all her assets. When his new wife is pregnant, Van Eck tries to have Wylan murdered. After enlisting Kaz Brekker for a job and learning Kaz has Wylan hostage, Van Eck later attempts to betray Kaz and have Wylan murdered via having his ship sunk. It turns out Van Eck is behind a scheme to cheat his fellow merchants and distribute jurda parem to enslave the Grisha, or those with magic, subjecting them to addiction or death, all as long as he profits from the chaos he inflicts.
- Heleen Van Houden, or Tante Heleen, the cruel owner of the brothel the Menagerie, buys teenage girls from foreign nations and cruelly trains them to be Sex Slave prostitutes. From Inej Ghafa's backstory, we see this involves horrific abuse, both physical and psychological with Heleen repeatedly having her whipped and beaten, even having a girl who kept some money from a client cruelly murdered in front of the other girls as a lesson. Even after being freed by Kaz, Inej is intensely scarred by her time at the Menagerie, and Heleen gleefully taunts her of it when they meet, even trying to have Inej killed later. Utterly reprehensible and dedicated to making a fortune from the sexual enslavement of countless young women, Tante Heleen is one of the worst that Ketterdam has to offer.
To these:
- Complete Monster:
- Jan Van Eck is a seemingly-respectable merchant who turns out to be an egotistical sociopath obsessed with his own glory and reputation. Callously disowning his son Wylan for his dyslexia (that has made him illiterate), Van Eck divorces his wife, throws her into an asylum to get rid of her, and tells Wylan she's dead so he can steal all her assets. When his new wife (who's only a few years older than Wylan himself) becomes pregnant, Van Eck tries to have his son murdered. After enlisting Kaz Brekker for a job and learning Kaz has Wylan hostage, Van Eck attempts to betray Kaz in order to have Wylan murdered via having his ship sunk. It also turns out Van Eck is behind a scheme to cheat his fellow merchants and distribute jurda parem to enslave the Grisha, or those with magic, subjecting them to addiction or a painful death. As long as long as he profits from the chaos he inflicts, he doesn't care about those he hurts.
- Heleen Van Houden, or Tante Heleen, is the cruel owner of the brothel known as the Menagerie. She buys trafficked teenage girls from foreign nations and brutally trains them to be prostitutes. From Inej Ghafa's backstory, we see this involves horrific abuse, both physical and psychological, with Heleen repeatedly having her whipped and beaten. She even has a girl violently murdered as a "lesson" with all of the other girls watching after learning she was "wronging" her by keeping some money from a client. Even after being freed by Kaz, Inej is intensely scarred by her time at the Menagerie - to where she couldn't even walk past the brothel without having a panic attack. Heleen, knowing Inej's trauma by her hand, gleefully taunts her whenever they meet and even tries to have her killed. Utterly reprehensible and dedicated to making a fortune from the sexual enslavement of countless young women, Tante Heleen is one of the worst that Ketterdam has to offer.
It was changed by by
a troper
called
HazelEyes14
a couple of times. This is not the first
time
they have edited these entries despite it being reverted
each time
with warnings not to do it without thread discussion. They also edited
the Magnificent Bastard entry without discussion as far as I can tell.
openA troper with trouble
There's this newbie who's making pages for their fanfics, which so far is fine, since they follow the rules about only troping objective stuff. They've got some issues, though.
- They use a bit
of Word Cruft even after I explained why that's bad, in typical "This example is an example" fashion.
- They capitalize random
words like "Sociopathy" and "Fanfic".
- There are some YMMV tropes on the main page, like Complete Monster (I removed them though).
- The tropes aren't alphabetized properly either. One page had some misplaced tropes, while the other page had them all in completely random order.
- Also, they don't do indexing even after I sent a notifier.
Usually I'd just fix things myself, but I'm afraid of spoilers for Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and Demon Slayer, two series that these fanfics are based on and that I enjoy.
Edited by MichaelKatsuroopenAdaptational tropes in Halo Live Action TV
Okay, we really need to do something about Adaptational Jerkass and Adaptational Villainy in the pages related to Halo (2022). Tropers have been adding these tropes to plot and character pages simply because the characters, especially the Master Chief himself, aren't as squeaky-clean and goody-two-shoes as their video game counterparts.
Yes, I get that the show is deliberately meant to be Darker and Edgier compared to the games, but those dark and edgy elements were always present in the games' background. They just didn't get enough screentime because the games focused less on the UNSC's unsavory actions and more on the heroic defense of humanity. Besides, despite his flaws, the UNSC's soldiers are still devoted to their duty and part of their character development is to form bonds with each other, just like the Chief and Cortana are doing throughout season 1.
But these are just one man's opinions. What do you think?
openEdit War on VisualNovel.YosugaNoSora Anime
Earlier Dezz Marie 95 added a What An Idiot example to the page. My first instinct was to remove it because What An Idiot is Flame Bait, but I stopped myself because the example seemed VERY familiar. Checking the page history I saw that Dezz Marie 95 had already added the exact same example three weeks ago
(with a small follow-up edit to add extra formatting), but the previous time it was under Too Dumb to Live. I was the one that removed it at the time, with my reason being that Too Dumb to Live is a death trope and so the example did not fit.
Since it is the exact same example, even if the trope name is different, I'd like permission to remove it again, just to be on the safe side and not run afoul of the Edit War rules.

I would like to make a page for work I made on here. If I haven't violated any of the rules on the page (i.e. the work is tropable, i will not add subjectives/audience reactions/trivia/recommendations on the work, and I won't Entry Pimp myself), is it still considered Auto-Erotic Troping, therefore not allowing me to?
Edited by nonalienpersonyep