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resolved Removing (non-problematic) edits created by ban-evader
As you probably all know, a user going by the name of Blase Son Of A Gun 1988 revealed themself to be a ban-evader.
For a short time, they were a contributor on the page for Our avatars are posting on a forum thread and its subpages. Most, if not all of their edits were relatively tame.
Is it okay to scrub these edits (and possibly all mentions of the characters they played) due to them being a ban-evader or do the edits have to be problematic to justify it?
Edited by The21zonzresolved Trimming down wordy entry. Live Action TV
So there's this entry over at the Live-Action TV subpage for Overshadowed by Controversy that's just a Wall of Text. It has to do with the talk show Karamo. It reads as follows:
- Karamo was a talk show similar to Maury and wasn't really popular, but now it's remembered for when Tiktok Chef Pii of the infamous Pink Sauce brought on a critic and proceeded to insult and gaslight her for the entire segment without letting the woman really defend herself. Making things worse, Karamo stood by her side and condemned the critic as well, accusing her of ruining the woman's life and complaining for no reason. Pink Sauce is actually known for misleading information, the chef's incredible inexperience in sauce making, not knowing what the FDA stood for, and the fact many sauces have been delivered spoiled or damaged. The critic in question wasn't just complaining to complain, and it was clear there was either some miscommunication or no research at all here. Comments even brought up why they didn't bring on people who actually lied about what the sauce did to them compared to someone with legitimate critiques. The audience cheered on the chef as well, making the critic feel like a pariah, and even when she sadly had to concede and say this should make everyone think, Karamo threw it back on her and said it was her problem and her fault before ending the segment there. This backfired for everyone except the critic; Chef Pii's reputation sunk further, and Karamo was lambasted online for his poor research and gaslighting, with people accusing him of showing favoritism to black women guests over the white ones. This culminated in him leaving a nasty tweet online calling these critics haters before deleting it, and his show scrubbed the video itself from the internet, with reaction and commentary channels being the only evidence of what happened in that episode. Many comments on newer videos continually bring up that Karamo should apologize to the critic; he did eventually contact Ally, four months later, and he still showed no real remorse to gaslighting her and, as comments pointed out, the apology felt half assed and that he was simply saving face because people were still posting comments begging for him to apologize to Ally. He even seemed to use her own words against her. Karamo went from the helpful guy on Queer Eye to a gaslighter.
How should I trim this entry so that it's more readable?
Edited by ArielLightningopenDrink!! Again!! Film
I’m not troper, don’t think I’m capable of doing all the appropriate linking, but there is a Hard Drinking trope missing. The trope where an older, stronger character tells a younger character to “Drink! Again!” when they are sad or depressed about something. I saw there was a “drowning your sorrows” trope, but this isn’t the same. This is not a character falling into addiction, this is a one time event. The older character is wiser, usually a heavy drinker himself, and he knows that this younger, inexperienced character needs a few drinks to cope with the new/shocking/depressing/traumatic event he just went through. While this drink is occurring the older character is almost always dispensing wisdom, usually on how he’s been through whatever the younger character is experiencing, and life will be fine on the other side. Alcohol is the best short term solution, and he’s right, because by the end of the talk the younger character seems to move entirely past whatever was bothering him before, and is actually stronger and more mature when we see him again.
resolved Self-demonstrating character page
Does it have any purpose? Should any characters have one?
resolved Cowboy Emerald at his Computer
User Emerald Source has a problem with Unilateral Editing, as they seem to have a habit of overhauling descriptions of tropes without running it through Trope Description Improvement Drive, or providing any edit reasons. One of these edits
on Ms. Fanservice was noticed back in May 13th by some users on the aforementioned forum thread, which they sent a notifier for (seen here
), but Emerald Source has continued the habit regardless, as one can see through a few edits in their post-May 13th edit history:
- Space Clothes, edited here
.
- In-Camera Effects, edited here
.
- Basement Dweller, edited here
.
- My Real Daddy, edited here
. (User My Final Edits actually took notice of this and reverted the edit
, while once again attempting to guide Emerald Source to the TDID.)
But what's perhaps even more concerning is their edits to trope descriptions that add or remove to it's meaning, thus changing it's identity as a whole. Again, these are all done without discussion or edit reasons, despite having been sent a notifier:
- Changing the description of Stylistic Suck such that the trope has three different variants of itself [1]
- Narrowed down Everyone's Baby Sister to be specifically about a villain kidnapping a character who looks helpless, rather than the villain simply threatening a certain character type (no mention of physical appearance). [2]
- Outright changing the requirement for Cowboy BeBop at His Computer such that it can no longer apply to works getting details wrong, and is instead restricted to news reports, reviews, and promotional materials getting things wrong. [3]
All of this doesn't even mention the fact that their edit in Ms. Fanservice uses the word "females" to refer to women, and replaces a mention of "straight men" to just "men", even though the distinction of the sexual attraction is important in that context. These by themselves seem like red flags, and leads me to believe that sending another notifer would be like talking to a brick wall.
openA bit of weirdness going on with Mouthscreen
palatiinas appears to have a fixation on the Mouthscreen trope. That's not a bad thing in and of itself, but in a lot of their examples, they seem to feel the need to point that "X character's mouth is played by Y actor's mouth", which is unnecessary and seems a bit weird and fetish-y to me.
I'm asking if I can remove those details and what is the appropriate notifier to send here.
resolved About Dear Negative Reader
I wanted to add an example of Dear Negative Reader to Trivia.Saints Row 2022, I saw that an example already exists on Main.Dear Negative Reader, but it's complainy and bloaty:
- Saints Row (2022) became rather infamous for this. The game was announced as a reboot of the Saints Row series that was Revisiting the Roots, and fans were initially hyped with the graffiti wall art that updated itself leading up to the announcement trailer's release. However, when said trailer dropped, the fans' reactions to it were quite negative. In response, the community managers at Deep Silver, the series' publisher since Saints Row IV, started badmouthing people who were unhappy with the reboot's direction, including making tweets like "Haters gonna hate", and deleting negative comments that criticized series developer Volition from the reboot's videos. Although Volition apologized and removed the offending tweet, the damage was done. Many people were turned off by the game's direction and Deep Silver's hostility towards the fanbase and swore off playing the Saints Row reboot, while those who stuck around and played the game found it to be an Obvious Beta, despite being delayed from its intended February 2022 release date to August for quality assurance purposes. This caused the reboot to underperform critically and financially, which resulted in Embracer Group, the parent company of Deep Silver, transferring Volition's staff to Gearbox Software and then subsequently shutting down the company in August of 2023, just a year after the reboot's launch.
I then managed to cut it down to this:
- After the inital trailer for Saints Row (2022) dropped, The community managers at Deep Silver, the series' publisher since Saints Row IV, started badmouthing people who were unhappy with the reboot's direction, including making tweets like "Haters gonna hate", and deleting comments that criticized series developer Volition from the reboot's videos for a while before the game's release.
I've also seen plenty of examples that are just complaining about creators engaging in this, like the one about Bomberman Act:Zero:
- Hudson Soft infamously had a huge meltdown in response to the equally infamous Bomberman Act:Zero's negative reception and posted an article
on their website primarily dedicated to attacking fans and defending Act Zero. As it repeatedly insulted the older Bomberman games by insinuating they were meant for children, undermined fan favorite Saturn Bomberman's ten-player mode, heavily implied that the only people who played the single-player modes in Bomberman games were losers,note Most likely due to Act:Zero's singleplayer mode getting heavy criticism for Fake Difficulty. and told fans who were upset to play with Hello Kitty toys... yeah, it didn't go over well. It didn't help that the series was already going through an Audience-Alienating Era. While Hudson eventually apologized for the piece, the damage was done—several gaming sites lambasted them for the public tantrum and the controversy ultimately played a hand in their 2012 bankruptcy and merger with Konami.
This all makes me wonder, should we take this trope to TRS? Just the very nature of it just attracts creator bashing and drama importation. And should I go ahead with replacing the Saints Row example that I just cut down?
Edited by PlasmaPoweropenAPP Goofy Movie fanfic trope inquiry Film
I’m in need of assistance to determine which trope would best fit this highlight from my fanfic story “Face Off with Principal Mazur”:
PM: Ah yes. Mr. Goof. And the young man who incited that little riot at the assembly last year. G: Now see here. My Max is no juvenile delinquent and did not start a riot at all. PM: And how do you know that? (Roxanne then enters.) R: Because I saw what went on at that assembly. He wasn’t trying to incite any violence. All the other students were cheering for him and his Powerline performance because they loved it. And he and his dad also got to dance alongside the real Powerline himself at his concert in LA. My friends and I were watching, and they obviously impressed Powerline with their own dance moves, and he decided to make it part of his show without any objection. (Mazur just scoffs) PM: Another hijacking. Disrespect. That’s what’s wrong with today’s kids, don’t know when to stop making things miserable for others.
Basically, what this implies is that rather than acknowledge Max and Goofy’s talent and apologize for his misleading exaggeration to Goofy, he just flippantly disregards their dance as “another hijacking” and how today’s kids don’t know when to stop making others miserable.
resolved Adding to The Bible?
The Bible is edit locked, undoubtedly for good reasons.
I have a couple of tropes where The Bible is cited that I would like to add:
- Dying Reconciliation: Some people interpret The Bible's command not to "let the sun go down on your anger" as this; not a command against being angry at all,note or related to literal sundown, but a statement that Christians should try to reconcile with a person if they expect they will be separated from them for a long time (or forever).
- "Run Your Own Race" Aesop: A frequent lesson in The Bible is to concern one's self with one's own situation.
- "Attend to the beam in thine own eye before attending to the mote in thy neighbor's."
- Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us.
- When Peter asks Jesus of John's fate, Jesus says, "What is that to thee? Follow you Me."
openAnother questionable edit
Yesterday, I found this
had been done to the page quote for Never Needs Sharpening. The editor, Tropers/A9home, went on to tweek this edit for a bit. What I want to know is if this was something that was necessary or allowed.
This is the quote as it stands now (added part in bold):
Markup nullifying markup ([==]) was used to reveal the edit
Edited by BKelly95openMinimum requirements to pitch a work page in the Trope Launch Pad?
I'm planning to create a work page for a fanfic series, and would like to pitch it to the Trope Launch Pad so I have some help in polishing, cleanup and finding examples before I create the page. After seeing the little information there is in Work Pages Are a Free Launch, I'd like to know what are the general minimum requirements to pitch a work page in the TLP, regarding the fields of general description, trope examples and indexes that the work page will be part of.
Thus far, this is what I have written for the work page:
Charlie's Angels is a Hellaverse fanfic series (primarily focused on the cast and settings of Hazbin Hotel, but later also incorporating characters from Helluva Boss in side roles) written by Kkat (of Fallout: Equestria fame) and published on Archive of Our Own. Started on April 6, 2024 and still ongoing, the series is a continuation of the aftermath of Season 1 of Hazbin Hotel (plus all the episodes of Helluva Boss up to "Ghostfuckers").
The series revolves around the many changes that the Hazbin Hotel, Hell and Heaven all face following the events of the repelled extermination at the end of Hazbin Hotel's Season 1, and Heaven's agreement to favor Charlie's project of the hotel after the staff's learning of Sir Pentious' ascension. Kicking off these changes is Emily's designation as Heaven's new ambassador of Hell and subsequent moving into the Hazbin Hotel as a supporting assistant. Emily's presence in Hell leads to a lot of game-changing events to the status quo in the hotel's benefit, in no part due to being in a decent position to help the hotel's members, and Vaggie and Charlie eventually start crushing on her. In the midst of it all, though, an escalating number of both familiar and unfamiliar threats enter the scene, ranging from those who simply want to attack the hotel to others capable of destroying both Hell and Heaven's stability, with the hotel as a whole finding themselves tasked in deterring all of them.
Thus far, the fics in the series and their chapters include the following:
- Charlie's Angels
(April 6, 2024 - April 9, 2024)
- "Prologue: Judges"
- "Exodus"
- "Kings"
- "Proverbs"
- "Acts"
- "Lamentations"
- "Revelations"
- "Songs"
- Charlie's Angels: Aftershocks
(May 17, 2024 - June 8, 2024)
- "Day Zero"
- "Day One"
- "Day Three"
- "Day Five: Part One"
- "Day Five: Part Two"
- "Day Seven: Part One"
- "Day Seven: Part Two"
- "Day Seven: Part Three"
- "Day Eight: Part One"
- "Day Eight: Part Two"
- "Day Ten"
- Charlie's Angels: Pieces
(January 2, 2025 - May 27, 2025)
- "Prologue: In the Beginning..."
- "Then You Will Know the Truth"
- "For Everything There Is a Season"
- "Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust"
- "Ends of the Earth"
- "In the Days of Famine..."
- "...They Shall Be Satisfied"
- "Put Your House in Order"
- "Let No One Separate"
- "Valley of the Shadow of Death"
- "Fear No Evil"
- "Wars and Rumors of Wars"
- "The Powers That Be"
- "The Eleventh Hour"
Has no relation to the Charlie's Angels TV and movie franchise.
Charlie's Angels provides examples of:
[folder - Series-Wide]
- Idiosyncratic Episode Naming:
- All of the chapters in the first fic have titles consisting of a single plural noun.
- Each chapter of Aftershocks is titled in accordance to the day it takes place within the fic's timeframe.
- Original Character: Leonard, an original Sinner with the appearance of a shark who first appears at the end of the first fic's "Songs" to request a room at the hotel, and remains a supporting character in the series since then.
- Polyamory: The fic gets its title from the series-wide romantic arc of the already Official Couple Charlie and Vaggie developing crushes on Emily and eventually forming a throuple with her, complete with the three earning several Shippers on Deck. After their relationship's been solidified by the time of the first fic's last two chapters, the two sequel fics following it in the wider Charlie's Angels series puts their throuple status aside in favor of setting up a broader plot with more storylines, though starting from the penultimate chapter of Charlie's Angels: Aftershocks, the three start calling each other "wives" in light of the changes that both Hell and Heaven experienced (including Emily becoming the new High Seraphim).
- Promoted to Love Interest:
- In Hazbin Hotel itself, Emily's friendliness with Charlie and Vaggie is purely platonic, with none of the three crushing on each other beyond Charlie and Vaggie's Official Couple status. Here, they form a polyamorous relationship together in the latter half of the first fic, and remain a throuple acknowledged by all the other characters for the rest of the series.
- The first fic's chapter "Proverbs" establishes that Emily and Molly are ex-girlfriends, with their past relationship being what made Emily lose her virginity. At the time of the fic's writing, Molly was already written and officially showcased, but had yet to make her debut in Hazbin Hotel with only an implied cameo in the episode "Welcome to Heaven", with no indication that she and Emily even know each other at all.
- Related in the Adaptation: Sera and Emily are Ambiguously Related in Hazbin Hotel. Here, they're explicitly stated to be sisters, Sera being the older sister and Emily the younger one.
- Title Drop: As far back as early in the first fic, the narration repeatedly refers to Charlie, Vaggie and Emily together as "Charlie and her angels" or variations thereof.
[folder - Charlie's Angels]
- Destructo-Nookie: Exaggerated and Played for Laughs. "Revelations" ends with Charlie, Vaggie and Emily having a threesome during nighttime that's at least an hour long, and while the specifics of what they did aren't seen nor stated, the moment they start having sex immediately cuts to a scene at the Hazbin Hotel's bar, showing the combined power of their many orgasms (which amount to well over 70 for Charlie alone) causing earthquakes and property damage across the entire hotel, with Angel Dust and Husk deciding to record a video of the whole thing and count the number of orgasms Charlie has during the threesome. The beginning of the next and last chapter, "Songs", which takes place during the next day, sees Angel Dust and Husk explaining to Charlie, Vaggie and Emily the destructive extent of their threesome (with the earthquakes spreading well beyond the hotel itself and to other parts of Pentagram City), leading to the three girls getting embarrassed. It gets to the point that Angel Dust and Husk jokingly give Charlie's orgasming the nickname of "Charliegasms" for its sheer destructive nature.
- Forgotten State of Undress: "Songs" opens with Lucifer knocking on the Hazbin Hotel's door to announce its residing group about Sera's recent fall from Heaven, and Emily coming to answer him. Having just woken up from a Three-Way Sex with Charlie and Vaggie that happened at the end of the previous chapter, and then had a frantic panic upon seeing her sister Sera being cast out of Heaven just moments ago, Emily doesn't take the time to dress herself up and just flies out of the window to Charlie and Vaggie's bedroom in order to answer Lucifer. Although Lucifer notices Emily's nudity soon enough, he doesn't bring it up to her until he's finished explaining to her about what's currently happening to Sera, leading to Emily getting embarrassed after she clarifies to him that she just had sex with Charlie and Vaggie and realizes that someone else outdoors could have seen her naked had everyone in the Pride Ring not been drawing their attention to Sera's fall at the time. Lucifer simply congratulates her for forming a polycule with Charlie and Vaggie, and tells her that they should just enter the hotel so she can get over her embarrassment from being briefly naked in the open outdoors.
- Hate at First Sight: Alastor and Emily start to dislike each other as soon as they first meet in "Kings". Emily hates Alastor out of a combination of the way he introduced himself to her just to scare her, his sadistic personality, and the fact he's the soul contractor Husk (whom Emily had previously met at the end of the previous chapter, with full knowledge about the issue with his soul contract) is soul-bound to. While Alastor doesn't fully hate Emily back, he clearly despises that not only does Emily have the power and position to manipulate his bound souls for as long as she wishes and is able to, but is also capable of seeing his own contract, the source of his power and his biggest insecurity that would ruin his reputation in Hell if it ever becomes publicly known. After Emily accepts Alastor's proposed challenge of trying to find a way to break Husk's contract, the two have a strong Teeth-Clenched Teamwork relationship throughout the rest of the series, due to their shared affiliation to the Hazbin Hotel in spite of their very different visions.
- No Sympathy: In "Songs", Alastor expresses amusement at Emily's grief for Sera's fall and taunts her about it, prompting Lucifer to push him away from Emily and call him a "sadistic piece of shit".
- Open-Minded Parent: At the beginning of "Songs", when Emily tells him that she had sex with Charlie and Vaggie last night, Lucifer correctly guesses that it's because she's become a throuple with them, and is openly accepting of Charlie engaging in Polyamory.
- Sequel Hook: "Songs" ends with the hotel starting to get more guests as three characters come to the hotel's door: namely, the canon Seviathan von Eldritch and Crymini, and the Original Character Leonard.
[folder - Charlie's Angels: Aftershocks]
- Immediate Sequel: The fic starts right from the Sequel Hook of the first fic's "Songs".
- Oh, Crap!: In "Day One", Leonard has this reaction when he sees Alastor for the first time at the hotel, making him realize that the hotel's bartender really is Husk as he first suspected, and, with no knowledge of the past events that led to Husk being freed from his former contract with Alastor, assumes that the hotel was a trap scheme set up by Alastor to catch Sinners soul-bound to Husk, trying to escape from the hotel until Husk comes after Leonard and clarifies to him what's been going on.
- Spit Take: In "Day One", Lucifer spits out coffee from a cup Vaggie has just offered him, followed by a Big "WHAT?!" from him, when Vaggie tells him that Pentious managed to create a death ray from Heaven to destroy the Heaven Embassy in Hell.
- You Have GOT to Be Kidding Me!: In the afternoon part of "Day One", when Emily kicks off a trust exercise of rhyming games, Leonard is flabbergasted at the mere idea that the Princess of Hell would have the High Seraphim of Heaven introduce herself to the hotel's new guests with rhyming games.
Is there anything I have to do with what I've written first before putting the page on the TLP, or is it already fine to go?
Edited by Inky100openSpoiler-tagging a certain type of meme
If there's a meme which involves a character's death or anything that counts as a spoiler in the story, should the text before the "Explanation" tag be hidden in spoiler markup or not? In other words, which among the two options below is the more appropriate format?
- "He's not dead!" Explanation (Spoilers!)The explanation behind the meme.
- "He's not dead!" Explanation (Spoilers!)The explanation behind the meme.
I always thought it's the first option, that simply using the tag "Explanation (Spoilers!)" instead of the usual "Explanation" would already suffice even if the meme's text itself isn't hidden with a spoiler markup, especially as I also see other tropers doing it... but after looking at a certain meme that uses the second option, I'm starting to think there's some inconsistency on this wiki. For examples:
- On Memes.K Pop Demon Hunters, Memes.Arcane, Memes.Honkai Star Rail, and Memes.Elden Ring, there are spoilerific memes whose texts are not hidden with a spoiler markup, only tagged with "Explanation (Spoilers!)", "Explanation (SPOILER)", "Explanation (MAJOR SPOILERS)", or "Explanation (DLC Spoilers)".
- On YMMV.Cyberpunk Edgerunners, there's a spoilerific meme whose text is hidden with a spoiler markup, but is also tagged with "Explanation (SPOILERS)".
- Memes.Honkai Impact3rd has spoilerific memes written in either or both the two formats I mentioned above, as there's a certain meme in that page whose text is just partially hidden by the spoiler markup.
openCreating a new page
I wanted to create a new trope page called "Clothed Parents, Bare Kids"
An example of Appropriate Animal Attire is when, in a scene with Funny Animals or other non-human animals, the only characters that show up as Accessory-Wearing Cartoon Animals or Half-Dressed Cartoon Animals are children, while their parents, whether or not they are barefoot, always wear a complete outfit that includes all the necessities.
Literature Little Critter doesn’t wear clothes in the early books and sometimes he’s pantless while his parents are fully dressed. Because Mercer Mayer doesn't want children to follow Little Critter's poor example of not wearing pants around town, he isn't seen half-dressed or naked in the most current Little Critter books from the 2000s and beyond. His little sister sometimes does the same thing, mostly in “The New Potty”. The World of Peter Rabbit and Friends: His mother wears full clothing, including an apron, while Peter Rabbit and his siblings typically only wear a coat.
Puppet Shows Billy and Ruby Biggle don’t wear clothes while their parents are fully dressed. Sesame Street: Elmo doesn’t wear clothes while his parents, Louie and Mae are fully dressed. Grover doesn’t wear clothes while his mother does.
Western Animation Boj: All of the characters, even Mimi and Pops are fully dressed. Boj is the only one who doesn’t wear clothes. Little Bear himself is naked while Father and Mother Bear are fully dressed. Regular Show: Mordecai doesn’t wear clothes while William and Hilary are fully dressed Rigby and Don don’t wear clothes while their parents Sherm and Barbara do. Tuff Puppy: Dudley is pantless while his mother is fully dressed.
Edited by quackduhopenMini or Humungus Mecha?
- MiniMecha.Video Games: Cerberus ATLAS mechs in Mass Effect 3. Shepard can drive them either by finding an unmanned one or shooting out the cockpit and gundam-jacking it.
- HumongousMecha.Video Games: In Mass Effect 3, Cerberus soldiers sometimes use large Atlas mechs, which are outfitted with rocket launchers, a scaled-up shotgun, and can one-hit-kill anyone in melee range. If your aim is sharp enough, you can kill the pilot without destroying the mech, then commandeer the mech for yourself.
The Atlas is 2-3 times human height, which I assume is Mini-Mecha so I'll remove Humungous unless anyone objects.
Bringing here as it was asked
before
what the cutoff height is between Mini and Humungous, which got no feedback. These examples have a new issue, they say nothing about the size of the mech so are potential misuse as just Mecha as written.
Where else might the appropriate place be to ask/discuss this matter?
resolved Fldl
Fldl
has had problems with their spelling and grammar and zero context examples since the beginning of their edit history. I've sent several notifiers since June, and today I received a reply from them in which they told me to go watch the show in question to find out the context for myself (and also assumed my gender), meaning that they're clearly not listening.
openTroper keeps making unilateral and speculative edits without any consensus whatsoever
Maniacal Dove 902 has a tendency to make a lot of unilateral edits that are huge changes to the page's format and are very speculative. They seem particularly obsessed with multiverse-related content too. They've gotten a couple of notifiers in the past but they still haven't changed their ways. I don't think I need to give any examples here myself because if you just look at any of their edits in their edit history, you would see it.
Edited by MaxyGregoryyyyopenPlaying With/Against Type Film
Could someone please help me decide if the Playing Against Type and Playing with Character Type sections on Creator.Pedro Pascal look worth keeping, or if they violate the Creator Page Guideline against "Tropes applying to an individual work that already has its own page" (except for The Uninvited).
(I didn't start the sections myself, but I did expand them beyond one entry each.)
open Shadow Archetype and Foil gives me a headache
Even though they have laconic descriptions, I struggle to understand which analysis goes into Shadow Archetype or Foil.
I'm still working on the Ensemble Stars Eden sheet so that it won't be as barren as it used to be years ago (it was probably the least detailed ENSTARS page over the past few years) but as I continue playing the game, my head goes into analysis mode...
Can a character have multiple Foils or Shadow Archetypes? Here's something I've wrote in my Sandbox awhile back:

Honestly, I feel like I'm a servant of a selfish princess...
The hard work he's put in since his school days has been earning him opportunities, and he is also active as part of Eve together with Hiyori Tomoe. He is diligent and passionate in nature, but turns foul-mouthed whenever he has to deal with Hiyori. Though he may seem rough and intimidating at a first glance, he makes up for it with the courteous manners he has honed. His delicate singing voice also has a quality of depth to it, and his performances are dynamic.
Jun is a member of Eden at COSMIC PRODUCTION. Dissatisfied with his current state, he constantly strives to improve his personal best. On top of his fitness regime, he has begun training to refine his abilities of expression.
- Shadow Archetype:
- To Makoto. They're both hardworking, socially-awkward and good with technology. They're also overly conscious about being the least talented of their units, but they train hard to become better idols despite their individual pasts binding them. However, while Makoto strives to free himself of his past, Jun struggles to do the same.
- He could also be considered one to Hokuto as both of them are sons of idols. Hokuto's father is an active Super Idol who wasn't present in Hokuto's childhood years (to the point where he's closer with his grandmother) despite being affectionate towards him, while Jun's father was trampled by a Super Idol (being Jin Sagami) and this grudge surrounding his loss caused him to train Jun as a weapon take down Jin. While Hokuto dislikes Seiya for not being there in his childhood and their relationship is quite strained, Jun's relationship with his father is much more adversarial.

I have a hunch M 2 Medium might be Traveler 123 aka Aces Full ban-evading. I randomly stumbled upon Traveler when browsing the TLP Community Issues thread and seeing them mentioned, and comparing Traveler and M2, there's a strange amount of overlap.
Is this just a silly series of coincidences and/or me being paranoid, or are they really the same person?
Edited by Coachpill