Have a question about how the TVTropes wiki works? No one knows this community better than the people in it, so ask away! Ask the Tropers is the page you come to when you have a question burning in your brain and the support pages didn't help.
It's not for everything, though. For a list of all the resources for your questions, click here. You can also go to this Directory thread
for ongoing cleanup projects.
Ask the Tropers is for:
- General questions about the wiki, how it works, and how to do things.
- Reports of problems with wiki articles, or requests for help with wiki articles.
- Reports of misbehavior or abuse by other tropers.
Ask the Tropers is not for:
- Help identifying a trope. See TropeFinder.
- Help identifying a work. See MediaFinder.
- Asking if a trope example is valid. See the Trope Talk forum.
- Proposing new tropes. See TropeLaunchPad.
- Making bug reports. See QueryBugs.
- Asking for new wiki features. See QueryWishlist.
- Chatting with other tropers. See our forums.
- Reporting problems with advertisements. See this forum topic.
- Reporting issues on the forums. Send a Holler instead.
Ask the Tropers:
open Illiteracy Communist
There's a Darth Wiki page called Illiteracy Communist that is basically a sign-up page for tropers who proudly identify as Grammar Nazis, with many tropers imitating stereotypical Nazis in their entries. I didn't see any hate speech towards any particular minority groups, and the page was created in 2009 when jokingly comparing oneself to Nazis was likely seen as more acceptable, but in this day and age it comes off as incredibly tone-deaf. I'm thinking something should be done about the page, such as a cut or at least a clean-up, but I'm wondering what other tropers think.
Edited by ArgoTheBlankopenNon-YMMV tropes in YMMV pages Literature
YMMV.Xeelee Sequence has three objective tropes in its page, none of them are audience reaction or proper YMMV items.
- Always a Bigger Fish: The Transcendence would be considered as most franchises' god-like race and even they pale in comparison to the Xeelee, who themselves are losing against the Photino Birds. And even these two near-omnipotents are mere insects to the Monads. This trope also applies to out of universe as well, for the Xeelee series is often considered as the gold-standard of overpowered franchises that eclipses other 'traditionally powerful Sci-Fi franchises' such as Warhammer 40,000, The Culture, Ancient Halo and Gurren Lagann by several orders of magnitude. In fact, the amount of franchises that could stalemate or surpass the Sequence in scale could be counted on one hand.
- Cool Of Rule: Part of the reason the Sequence is so awesome is that all of the science is explained, and not just in a Hand Wave.
- Eviler than Thou: The Sequence is pretty infamous especially in versus forums for how atrociously dark and deprave it can get; often making Warhammer 40,000 look extremely PG and tame in comparison.
- Retcon: There's some inconsistencies across the series, mainly between the earlier novels and the Destiny's Children books. Some of it is simply the result of a lot more light being shed on the period between the fall of the Qax and the end of Ring, but (for example) the fact that Xeelee-style FTL drives function as time machines, including the ability to create paradoxes is only revealed in Exultant, when one would have expected it to be mentioned earlier.
While the Retcon and Cool Of Rule entry can be moved to Xeelee Sequence (although it seems like Cool Of Rule is starved of wicks), the rest look like shoehorns to compare with characters and factions from other works, not with characters and factions in the work itself. With that in mind, would it be alright to move Retcon to the main work page and to delete the rest?
openCharacter Perception Evolution questions?
Questions about these from Character Perception Evolution:
- Star Wars: The Prequel Trilogy's take on Anakin Skywalker was widely derided along with the prequels themselves on release for being a whiny, selfish brat whose turn to evil failed to be sympathetic and who ruined the image of Darth Vader. With time the detractors softened, claiming that Anakin's actor Hayden Christensen, for whatever faults may have lied in his acting direction, still gave a phenomenal performance and created a modern Tragic Hero. The more favorable opinion strengthened with the release of the Sequel Trilogy, where Anakin's grandson Kylo Ren attempted to fix something that wasn't broken and came out a confusing mess thanks to the constant script changes caused by the Sequel Trilogy's Troubled Production, basically receiving all the criticisms that were once leveled at Anakin save for the acting one. His portrayal in Star Wars: The Clone Wars, which was seen to mesh better with the heroic image Obi-Wan had of him in the Original Trilogy, also helped in endearing him to a newer audience. When Hayden returned to the role in Obi-Wan Kenobi, his performance was widely praised.
The bolded part was removed citing "The point about his portrayal in the animated series is closer to Rescued from the Scrappy Heap." But prior ATT
agreed with me that Rescued can still count it it caused their pre-recused material to retroactively be judged more favorably. So permission to add it back modifying to fit this?
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic: Princess Luna only briefly appeared in the Season 1 premiere after being de-corrupted from her stint as Nightmare Moon. She was popular with the fans despite her limited personality and dialogue, and Fanon portraying her as The Woobie and a Shrinking Violet quickly caught on as the accepted interpretation. Then the Season 2 episode "Luna Eclipsed" gave Luna her first major role... and revealed she was a Large Ham. Fans vastly preferred this canon personality and the "Woona" fanon was quickly abandoned.
This seems misuse as every other CPE example is not about their fanon, but their popularity (be it love, hate, Love to Hate, vilify, or whitewash). And later martial may have changed how Luna is seen in fanon/overall but I don't believe it changed how she's seen in her Season 1 portrayal itself (less than a minute of screentime, just two lines, extreme Early Installment Character-Design Difference) Is evolving fanon separate enough to warrant cutting this a it's not her popularity that changed?
openIs it possible to create a series on TV Tropes?
I was wondering if someone can make a series on TV Tropes itself. What I mean is: not a work page about a pre-created series, but an actual series created on TV Tropes. I saw in the How to Create a Work Page... page that tropers can trope even things that don't exist (yet) in a Just for Fun page, like the TV Tropes: The Webcomic page. So how about creating an actual series using TV Tropes as a medium?
open Large Ham and Milikng the Giant Cow
Is Milking the Giant Cow a necessary part of Large Ham trope? Page itself says that, for example, shouting at the top of the lungs isn't, and any ' 'boisterous' ' expression of character's emotion including intense gesticulation by this logic would be too. Cold Ham trope and some examples imply that too. But Large Ham trope page in the part where it is discussed says something like "and Milking the Giant Cow to no small degree"... So i'm confused. What's the actual truth?
Note:I've already made this question and nobode replied.
openAwesomeMusic.AwesomeMusic
Why does this redirect exist? As far as I can tell from related pages and a bit of changing myself, it's barely used and seems really redundant when compared to a massive number of articles that use SugarWiki.Awesome Music instead. Should this get cut and links changed?
openRepeated "They Wasted" misuse
YMMV.Pokemon Scarlet And Violet (again)
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: The idea of Paradox Pokémon was praised by many, except for the Future Pokémon. Many think that having them all as robotic or mechanical versions of their present-day counterparts is rather uncreative as they're very identical in appearance. Iron Thorns, Jugulis, and Leaves are commonly cited offenders. Compare this to Ancient Pokémon who were more well-received due to being based on a wider variety of prehistoric creatures. Miraidon itself was one of the few exceptions for looking completely different from Cyclizar and Koraidon while also being very expressive in its own right.
This is misuse as TWAPGP is unused plots not poorly used, which this is as the "plot", the Future Pokémon designs (also character designs seem shoehorns) being seen as untrusting/lazy compared to the Ancient Pokémon are. (Granted Miraidon avoiding these problem is the best argument I've seen for something about it being underused, but this still seems more like poor use, not unused.)
I've previously cut it
from They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character for the same issue (about lack of screentime not poorly received designs). This is the third, maybe forth, time this has been added under "They Wasted" entries.
Permission to remove? Anything this issue might fit?
openUnilateral restoration of "1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die" list
Back in January, there was an ATT thread that moved to delete the list of films on Literature.One Thousand And One Movies You Must See Before You Die for potential copyright infringement, with Tabs actually deleting the list (courtesy link to page history
). jamespolk made a null edit protesting the decision in the edit reason and arguing that it constituted fair use, but only went as far as expressing a hope that the list might be restored some day (and copy/pasting the list to their Troper Wall/ page).
Well, last week, editor TompaDompa
(whose troper page identifies them as the original creator of the page)note Although the page history only goes back to 2019; it was cut for just being a list of the films and nothing else, but TompaDompa successfully petitioned for its restoration in ATT.
decided to restore the list with the edit reason "Agree with the previous editor. Should be no more of a problem than listing the Academy Award winners and nominees, which we also do (though the show itself is obviously copyrighted)." As near as I can tell, this was not discussed anywhere (the Discussion page is empty, and I can't find anything in either ATT or the forums).
Should the list be re-deleted? And if so, is there a suitable notifier to send TompaDompa?
openLarge Ham and Milikng the Giant Cow
Is Milking the Giant Cow a necessary part of Large Ham trope? Page itself says that, for example, shouting at the top of the lungs isn't, and any ' 'boisterous' ' expression of character's emotion including intense gesticulation by this logic would be too. Cold Ham trope and some examples imply that too. But Large Ham trope page in the part where it is discussed says something like "and Milking the Giant Cow to no small degree"... So i'm confused. What's the actual truth?
Edited by DopamineMess-14-qqopen Fridge Horror issue with Balrog-De-Morgoth Videogame
The other day I added an entry on Fridge.Hogwarts Legacy about the character Ominis Gaunt and how his family's history of inbreeding was likely the result of him being born blind. To me this seemed like a reasonable deduction considering that hereditary blindness from inbreeding has been scientifically observed, but the user Balrog-De-Morgoth removed my entry and asserted that Ominis' blindness had to be magical in nature because many other non-magic diseases and disabilities have magical cures. However, there have been no specific cases in the Wizarding World canon where healing eyes by magic to restore vision has been shown, as evidenced by the various characters that wear eyewear, including Harry Potter himself.
I re-added my entry again and explained my reasoning above, but Balrog-De-Morgoth removed it a second time, this time citing that Pottermore lists cures for non-magical diseases including cancer, but then claimed that because the character of Mad-Eye Moody has a magical replacement eye, that was also reason enough to remove my entry. This is ignoring the fact that Moody's eye is a replacement, not his original eye which was healed, and therefore completely irrelevant my point. While there is also the fact that Ominis' wand reacted specifically to him being blind, this still does not indicate that his blindness is caused by magic since the way wands work is left very mysterious, and Ominis himself states in-game that he was born blind.
Is it alright for me to put my Fridge entry back up? Plus I also feel that removing a Fridge entry because you disagree with it is bad etiquette.
Edited by ChipGoffOfRORopenX-Men Mutant Academy 2? Videogame
So, X-Men Mutant Academy 2 has no page, and it looks like it was cut. But also, the Mutant Academy 1 page has no info on 2 (and itself only has 2 tropes). The big differences between 1 and 2 are an expanded roster, including a secret guest character in Spider-Man and expanded game mechanics, but that's still worth troping it, at least I think. What would be better, re-making the Mutant Academy 2 page, or consolodating the existing page for 1 to cover both of them?
Next Dimension (which is basically MA 3) has its own page, but that makes sense as it's a vastly different game than the other 2.
openContested entry
So on the page for hijacked destiny, there's this entry:
- Happens inadvertently in the Star Wars Continuity Reboot. The Skywalker bloodline ultimately ended having accomplished nothing and The Unchosen One Rey, descendant of the very person it was created to destroy, saves the day on her own and rubs salt in the wound by taking their name for herself in an attempt to honor their sacrifice.
It was originally added
by stankykong
, then removed
by DJones662
for being "A VERY Opinion-based example that honestly would be better fitted in a YMMV folder." It was restored
by gjjones
but was just deleted
again by WalkerBRiley
with the reason "Removed for being biased beyond all reason. Come up with a way to write it without sounding like a jilted lover and maybe I won't keep deleting it."
Technically this doesn't count as an edit war since it isn't the same Tropers doing the editing, but this is being contested by several Tropers and probably needs to be taken to a proper discussion page? (Also, I feel like the "jilted lover" comment was unnecessarily rude. Should a rudeness notifier be sent?)
open Capitalizing 'Black Mirror: Arkangel'
Individual recap subpages of Black Mirror have a directory up top. The one for season 4 looks like this, with bolded text for the page you're on:
[[WMG:[[center:[-Recap: Black Mirror Series Four USS Callister | ArkAngel | Crocodile | Hang the DJ | Metalhead | Black Museum-]]]]]
A while ago
I changed the capitalization of the episode title "ArkAngel" to "Arkangel" in the directory of all s4 episodes, citing this trailer
. That's also how it's referred to on Wikipedia
, IMDB
, the BM wiki
, reviews [1]
[2]
and most importantly, the release platform Netflix itself (I just checked).
Nevertheless, the capitalization has been switched back to the old one on all the s4 recap pages by Tropers/rjung (whom I will be PM'ing to come here).
This seems like a clear-cut revert, any objections?
Edited by Synchronicityopen Rape it's actually seduction
Let's see if i get this straigth, forcing yourself on a person that's terrified of you is seduction and not rape? That's what Morrigan Aensland from darkstalkers does, but apparently some users "opinion" is that it's seduction so they called me out for "deleiting someone's opinion" and i assume deleted my edits. I mean don't get me wrong, i respect the opinion of other people, but if you think forcing yourself on someone it's seduction and not rape...
openRangers Live Action TV
I just signed up and would like to add to this folder. There are several prominant TV shows featuring rangers that are not yet included and I'd like to add them.
The Lone Ranger Walker, Texas Ranger Laredo Trackdown
In movies there is also the Comancheros In Western Animation there is the series Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers.
I'm happy to make the additions myself but don't see a way to do that. Is there a tutorial?
openEdit War on Music.SubstanceJoyDivisionAlbum
Update: after further discussions with David Delony in PMs, I got permission to re-remove the Cover Version point, and did so accordingly. Since the re-adding was simply due to them forgetting that it had been removed, I think the issue here can be considered resolved.
Original Post When I created Music.Substance Joy Division Album back in 2019, I included
- Cover Version: "Dead Souls" would later receive a popular cover by Nine Inch Nails for the soundtrack to The Crow.
Later, David Delony expanded the point so that it reads as follows
- Cover Version: "Dead Souls" would later receive a popular cover by Nine Inch Nails for the soundtrack to The Crow. "Love Will Tear Us Apart" has also been covered frequently, with versions by Paul Young and folk singer June Tabor, among others.
Some time later, I elected to move
- Cover Version: "Love Will Tear Us Apart" has become something of a standard and thus has attracted a number of cover versions in many different genres. It's been covered by Paul Young and folk singer June Tabor, among others.
For reference, the Referenced by… point is exactly as I left it. Edited by bowserbros
openQuestion about modified pictures
Hello, dear tropers. Currently, I'm working on a russian translation of TV Tropes and I have question about pictures taken from comics(either web or paper, doesn't matter). The thing is that since they content writings in english and they are also illustrations of certain tropes, it's needed that they have to be translated in russian to make viewer understand. Yeah, i can translate 'em in description below the picture, but I thought that it would be better if image itself contains translated text. So i need to erase text in it and then write text in russian. On TV Tropes, is this legal and acceptable?
Edited by DopamineMess-14-qq

Do we have something for reasoning that is clearly faulty, but not entirely wrong? This is under Characters.Hololive Holostars English:
Insane Troll Logic: His prime reasoning of why he can't be a vampire is because he's afraid of vampires but he isn't afraid of looking at himself.
Which I feel doesn't fit ITL because the reasoning is correct, the problem is that it relies on dubious assumptions (most obviously, that he would recognise a vampire by sight alone).