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openEdit war on Awesome.TheSuperMarioBrosMovie
Tropers.Blue Sun Studios modified this example to have spoiler markup to the page despite the notice that moments pages are Spoilers Off. Link
- A villainous example as Bowser's more stalwart and gung-ho koopa soldier steps out of the fiery remains of his vehicle and reveals himself to be the blue shell! He quickly takes himself out like the item proper, but this koopa was so unafraid of death that he immediately resorted to his life-ending blue shell tackle+explosion combo without a second thought to get one last shot at killing Mario.
Tropers.King Clark removed the spoiler markup only for Tropers.Blue Sun Studios to put at all back. Link
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Add > Delete> Re-add constitutes an Edit War...
openTroper with ROCEJ / possible agenda-based edits on JK Rowling pages
Troper nargleinfestation (joined in Jan 2023, three pages of edits) has rewritten Creator.JK Rowling's intro today، cutting most of the ROCEJ thread's agreed phrasing re her trans rights stance, as well as the intro's reference to some of the problematic/racist tropes identified in her work.
Previous version, as agreed on the ROCEJ thread:
New version:
The page has a ROCEJ conment, which didn't say tropers must consult the thread, but cautioned against significant unilateral edits.
The Write What You Know example on the page was also amended to remove direct mention of Rowling's views on trans rights.
This intro change has now been reverted and a notifier has been sent.
A couple of hours after the notifier they also added lengthy Common Knowledge examples to YMMV.The Ink Black Heart and YMMV.Troubled Blood which also read a little defensive about Rowling.
The view on the ROCEJ thread was that this should be flagged here, so bringing it to ATT as recommended.
Edited by Mrph1resolved Likely self-admitted edit war
Today, I stumbled on Peppermint Park while on a Wiki Walk through Bile Fascination. When I got to the WMG page
, I saw one entry that accused the show of being a Mafia laundering scheme. That's bad enough, but then there's the bullet point below it that says this:
- "Even more suspicious, this Troper could have sworn up and down that she had posted this WMG already, but mysteriously, someone seemed to have deleted it. Hmm."
I can only assume that the entry was previously removed for being too controversial. Since the page history only has one entry for February 2022, but the troper's edit history
shows an edit on the page in November 2020, the page was probably cutlisted after it was decided that the entry had to go. Regardless, by recreating a cut page with an entry that includes the line "I know I added this before, but it was deleted", the troper has basically admitted to edit warring.
openDoes this fanfic example even exist? Literature
So, in the "The Reason You Suck" Speech page, specifically the section for crossover fanfics, there are two fics that confuse me: Fire & Ice, a crossover between Frozen and The Hobbit, and The Transformers My Little Pony Crossover 2, a crossover between... well, you know. Now, if you look at the examples each fic gives, you'll notice that both speeches are practically the same thing, even ending on the whole "You will die for wasting my time". Now, the thing that confuses me is that, whereas the MLP/Transformers fic has a link to the fic itself, Fire & Ice doesn't, so I have no idea to confirm whether or not it exists.
openNRLEP violations
Epic Fail is listed as No Real Life Examples Please, but the Live-Action TV subpage has these two examples which strike me as Real Life examples:
- One of the funniest outtakes for Mystery Science Theater 3000 involved one of those. Joel had to come on the set and say one word. That word being "waffles." While he's eating waffles. In an episode where every host segment is about waffles. The camera starts rolling:
Joel: "...Pancakes. Oh, I blew it!"
- In-universe example, but just fortuitous in Real Life: Michael Richards was once reminiscing about how, on the set of Seinfeld, he performed an impromptu pratfall while walking through Jerry's door as part of his "Kramer" character. As Richards's feet flew out from under him, one of them went completely over his head, curled around the doorknob, and closed the door all by itself. Richards regretted that he would never be able to do that again.
In fact, I'm not even sure that the latter is an example at all. Candidates for removal?
openIndentation Problem Or Not?
I just got an indentation notifier I'm not sure is justified on YMMV.Rejected (a three-point line talking about a two-point line
), as the line itself wasn't changed by the editor who sent me the notifier.
Also the edit was made 10 years ago.
openSuper-sub trope relationships.
Bit of a weird one, this.
This is regarding a Raven Branwen Hypocrite entry on Characters.RWBY Anima.
Back in July 2021, gjjones initially removed it because the Hypocrite sub-trope Never My Fault was on her page. I added it back because the Never My Fault entry was a completely different example, and there was no sub-trope detailing the Hypocrite entry. They then changed it to Straw Hypocrite, so I started a discussion on the discussion page about whether that was an appropriate move (a straw hypocrite usually doesn't believe the argument they're making, which isn't the case here). They added the entry back to Hypocrite themselves.
They've just removed the entry on the grounds that the sub-tropes Never My Fault and Secretly Selfish are on the page. But, as per last time, these sub-trope entries are about different examples to the Hypocrite one.
So, this guideline about not allowing the super-trope if sub-tropes are on the page. It's about the same examples, isn't it? If Example A for Character Y is under a sub-trope and Example B fits better under the super-trope and not any sub-trope, is it okay to have the super-trope on the same page for Example B? And, if Example A fits better under a sub-trope, you shouldn't have it listed under the super-trope as well. That's what I thought the guideline was, at any rate. What's the right thing to do here about this entry? Is there a sub/super trope thread to ask about this?
- Hypocrite: Raven has a problematic view of family responsibilities. She feels Qrow's abandonment of the Branwen tribe is turning his back on family, but he feels she has no business lecturing him when she abandoned Taiyang and Yang. Qrow tells Yang Raven only contacts him when she wants him; once Yang seeks out Raven so she can take her to Qrow and Ruby, Raven complains about family only visiting when they need something.
openAdult Swim's Yule Log Knight of Cerebus Film
So, I just recently watched Adult Swim Yule Log and I was wondering if I should add that the Yule Log itself became the Knight of Cerebus for the film, since even though the film started off with Pleatherface and his mother murdering a woman and hiding in the log cabin, the film took a darker turn when the Yule Log comes to life and starts murdering people.
openRole Ending Misdemeanor question
Hello. While I'm trying to trim down some entries on the RoleEndingMisdemeanor.Sports pages (edit history is here
), I'm concerned about the following entry, due to its Wall of Text, Example Indentation and Natter issues:
- On November 19, 2004, the infamous Malice at The Palace of Auburn Hills
incident occurred when Indiana Pacers forward Ron Artest fouled Detroit Pistons center Ben Wallace very hard. Wallace took exception to the foul and punched Artest, which led to an on-court altercation (which are not uncommon in the NBA, and depending on the severity of it, usually lead to either one or multiple-game suspensions). That fight was soon broken up and while Artest was lying on the scorer's table to cool off, he was suddenly struck with a cup of Diet Coke by a fan named John Green (who was ultimately banned from attending Pistons home games for life alongside Charlie Haddad, Alvin Shackleford, William Paulson, John Ackerman, Bryant Jackson, and Ben Wallace's brother, David Wallace). Artest charged into the stands and attacked another fan named Michael Ryan (who ultimately was spared from the same banned fate despite looking like a prominent figure at the time), who Artest thought attacked him at first. The incident quickly grew out of control as multiple players from both teams (such as Rasheed Wallace (no relation to Ben Wallace), Richard Hamilton, Stephen Jackson and Jermaine O'Neal), as well as former Pistons player Rick Mahorn (who was the team's radio analyst at the time) charged into the stands and began to fight off the fans. The game was called with 45.9 seconds to go (being the only NBA game to be called off early while still having time on the clock), with the Pacers getting credited with the win (they were leading by 15 points when the original incident occurred, meaning a comeback by Detroit was highly improbable anyway). Unsurprisingly, the incident gave the NBA a huge black eye. Nine players were suspended for a total of 146 games, with Artest justifiably being hit the hardest: Ron was suspended from the remainder of that season (86 games: 73 in the regular season and 13 in the playoffs). Ben Wallace, for his part, was suspended for six games, while other players from both teams (including Artest) were hit with suspensions and legal ramifications as well, such as fines, probation, and anger management classes. Some of the other biggest suspensions relating to that event included Pacers players Stephen Jackson getting 30 games and Jermaine O'Neal originally getting 25 games before appealing it down to 15 games. As of 2023, this incident leaves a very bitter taste in the mouths of Pacers fans, as it costed star player Reggie Millernote Who was a participant in the incident, but not in the game itself because of injury; he was suspended for one game. his last chance at a title, as he retired after that season. What makes it especially bitter for Pacers fans was that they were knocked out of the Playoffs that season by the Pistons in the semifinals.
- Over two years later, a fight that was compared to the infamous Malice at The Palace of Auburn Hills (with some individuals thinking it was worse at the time) occurred at the Madison Square Garden on December 16, 2006. Near the end of that day's game, New York Knicks guard Mardy Collins committed a flagrant two foul (which leads to an ejection of the player that caused what's considered intentional harm against another player, as well as two free-throws and possession of the ball for the team that had the player harmed at the time) on Denver Nuggets guard J.R. Smith, which caused both teams' line-ups that were playing by that time (including Nuggets star forward Carmelo Anthony) to fight against each other on both sides of the court, to the point where they even reached the stands at one point. Everyone who participated in the fight was ejected from the game and replaced with different players from both teams throughout the last minute and fifteen seconds left in the game. In the end, seven players from both teams were suspended for a total of 47 games and lost wages of $1.2 million. However, the three biggest perpetrators of the event (Anthony, Smith, and the Knicks' Nate Robinson) were the only players to get suspensions any longer than six games (which was what Collins got for instigating the event in the first place) due to them utilizing actions that made the event much worse than what it probably should have been, with Robinson and Smith both getting 10 games and Carmelo losing 15 games. Carmelo Anthony later suggested the reason his suspension was the longest was because commissioner David Stern wanted to set an example for the rest of the NBA to not cause more brawls like this to go down ever again.
I tried separating and re-alphabetizing the two entries, but they were merged back. Since I don't want to get involved in an Edit War, any thoughts on what to do here?
Edited by gjjonesopenLong Period EditWar on Character page for Katsuki Bakugo that I unknowingly contributed to.
On March 5th, 2022
, Million Hypotheses removed the trope The Not-Love Interest from My Hero Academia - Katsuki Bakugo with no edit reason.
- The Not-Love Interest: For Midoriya. Bakugo is one of Midoriya's primary motivators and sources of inspiration, and saving or helping him has been Midoriya's primary motivation in four arcs,note The Introduction, Final Exams, Forest Training Camp, and Hideout Raid Arcs as well as the reason behind their second fight. Midoriya even reacts with goofy smiles when Bakugo praises him after their second fight and worries about him during the Joint Training Arc and both refer to each other by childish nicknames. Insulting Bakugo to Midoriya's face is a good way to make Midoriya fly off the handle, and due to Midoriya's Psychoactive Powers is extremely dangerous.
On August 13th, 2022
, Rebel Falcon (Me) removed the entry, unknowingly for the second time, citing trope misuse with the following edit reason.
On October 2nd, 2022
, spaceforests restored the entry again, which has since remained untouched aside from the following addition to the entry.
Once again, I had no idea I was perpetuating an Edit War, and originally came to ATT thinking spaceforests had started an Edit War by restoring the entry after I removed it, only to learn about the prior removal and addition beforehand.
Regardless though, I do feel the entry itself is trope misuse, as none of the details cited are traits exclusive to the love interest, when one of the parameters of the trope is "This trope often represents a Subversion of one or more Love Interest tropes, or tropes that normally lead to a character becoming a Love Interest, such as Rescue Romance.", and multiple traits listed are just traits Izuku Midoriya has as a character overall, especially since he does have traits exclusive to his canonical love interest, Ochako Uraraka, that he doesn't share with anyone else, like their Twice Shy behavior, or being able to confide in one another in a way they can't do with anyone else like in their shared desire to save villains but thinking it makes them weird to everyone else.
...And I know it's begging, but please don't suspend me for this! I swear to God that I didn't know it was an already existing Edit War back when I removed it, and now that I do know I openly declare I would have never removed it had I known without going to ATT first! I can even offer evidence I was just focusing on the trope misuse! I had brought it up on the forum
when someone accused me of removing it out of spite, and was told by a mod then and there to keep it to ATT.
resolved Edit War on Hijacked Destiny Film
WalkerBRiley deleted this entry under Film in Hijacked Destiny:
- Happens inadvertently in the Star Wars Continuity Reboot. The Skywalker bloodline ultimately ended having accomplished nothing and The Unchosen One Rey, descendant of the very person it was created to destroy, saves the day on her own and rubs salt in the wound by taking their name for herself in an attempt to honor their sacrifice.
resolved The movies' Jerkass Has a Point, YMMV or not? Film
I have recently found at least two "Jerkass Has a Points" on both separate characters from two different films, examples below.
From YMMV / Bad Santa.
- Jerkass Has a Point: When Willie is eating lunch in the food court, a woman encourages her son to climb on his lap and tell him what he wants for Christmas. Willie yells "I'M ON MY FUCKING LUNCH BREAK!", and we're meant to see it as another example of Willie being horrible with kids. While he did go way overboard, he was off the clock, only in partial costume and had every right to not be bothered by a selfish mother who thought it was okay to crash in on his lunch demanding special treatment for her son.
- Also, while it doesn't justify him trying to kill Willie, it's hard not to agree with Marcus that Willie's reckless and unprofessional behavior has made him more of a liability than anything else, and that without him their plans would go nowhere. Willie's actions throughout the film almost caused them both to be arrested on several occasions, almost caused them to be fired, and allowed them to be blackmailed by Gin. The fact that Willie had already sent a letter reporting the job to the police and forgot about it only drives the point further.
- Jerkass Has a Point: Phil may very well be correct that Rose was gold digging and marrying George because she needed a provider to take care of her and Peter, not because she loved him.
openArticles that allow ZCEs
Hello! I was curious if there was an index for pages that allowed Zero Context Examples on the respective trope pages. I saw that they are allowed on the page All-CGI Cartoon because it's self explanatory, but I was wondering if there were any others. Also, does this mean that they are allowed in general when citing these tropes, or are they only allowed on the respective pages? From what I understand, putting All-CGI Cartoon without any example context in the tropes section of a work is not allowed, but citing the work on the trope page is. Thanks in advance!
open Potential Complaining Agenda
Ok, I hope I'm not making a mountain out of a molehill here since I'm not sure if this is serious enough to warrant a report, but over the past week on ScrappyMechanic.Genshin Impact (starting with this edit
), I noticed that Konoe Jerry has been making constant edits on the banner entry to talk about certain characters getting shafted for reruns, with particular mention going to Eula, whom they seem to have a personal attachment for. Initially I didn't find this a big deal at first, but overtime, their followup edits on the entry to put more emphasis on Eula have become more pronounced, with their most recent edit's edit reason
("And here I am, still waiting for Eula") making it obvious that they have some type of complaint agenda going on which appears to be motivated by saltiness.
Look, I get they're frustrated that Eula didn't get a rerun for so long (that's something all Genshin fans, myself included, experience), but I'm concerned that they'll continue using the page to vent about it until the time when (or if) she gets one, and it may get out of hand.
Edited by VintageEmma

This is about the character of Daeron Targaryen, located on Characters.House Of The Dragon Greens. He hasn't appeared in S1, isn't mentioned at all beyond a vague allusion, and was retroactively mentioned in the supplementary website only after the first season ended. Yet he has a folder that's been added/removed a couple of timesnote .
This is his The Ghost entry, which seems to be straining to justify the folder's existence:
Season 2 of House of the Dragon is, however, publicly still in the writing stage and plans could very well change. Remove this and leave a note saying not to add it back until he actually shows up?