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openWhat is a Ghost Wick ?
Self-explanatory, I saw several a lot of these on Cut List. What is that, and how can I find them ?
openDeleting references to cut work
Several weeks ago, Elmo 3000 deleted all examples and quotes linking to WebVideo.Mau Ler because "Red link". I'm aware the work page itself was cut because it was deemed non-tropeworthy, but I'm not sure if there's a policy for or against purging all references to such works wholesale.
(I admit to doing this myself for one fanfic cut by P5, but on lewdness grounds which don't apply here.)
resolved What's the line between Bad Boss and Mean Boss? Web Original
In response to a previous query
, I recently moved all the examples of Bad Boss on Not Always Working's page to Mean Boss due to trope misuse. Now I'm considering moving the Mean Boss examples to a new page, but I'm wondering now if some of the Mean Boss examples counted as Bad Boss examples after all.
For instance (text copied from the article itself),
- This boss
expects a worker to clean up an active biohazard without any sort of protective gear, because calling the city about it would cost too much, yet loaning the worker equipment they're not trained in, or letting them buy the equipment themselves, would be illegal. The worker quits on the spot.
- This boss
tries to send an employee out for carts in the middle of a severe thunderstorm, and then screams at and fires them when they (rightfully) object. Luckily, Laser-Guided Karma kicks in right away when her boss finds this out, and, thanks to an extensive history of screaming in front of customers, she is immediately fired the next day for intentionally putting the employee's life in danger, and later gets thrown behind bars for assaulting her ex-husband over a lost custody battle.
- The bar owner in this story
refuses to reschedule a mandatory meeting (which turns out to be just an hour of patting herself on the back for the bar's performance during a busy period, ignoring the staff's efforts) despite a two-foot blizzard being forecast, and threatens to fire anyone who doesn't attend. Despite their obvious reservations, the poster manages to get in just one minute late... and gets a write-up for it. The poster quits on the spot. Those who failed to attend — most of the staff — are indeed fired, but promptly sue for wrongful termination and win; it also comes up that the staff weren't paid for attending the meeting. The Department of Labor gets involved, and not only is the bar forced to close, but the owner ends up having to sell her home and many of her possessions to cover legal fees, damages, and back pay. At the end, the poster notes that none of this would have happened if she had just taken their advice in the first place and rescheduled.
- The grocery store manager in this story
won't allow the poster, a lot attendant, to come in for a drink of water, despite being in the middle of a July heatwave in Florida. After four hours of this, a passing gentleman convinces him to go inside, offering to speak to the manager in person and even buy some water. The manager immediately spots the poster and fires him. However, said gentleman, who turns out to be the regional director, steps in, angrily berates the manager for her reckless endangerment of an employee and gives her a fourteen-day suspension — which soon escalates to her dismissal, as it turns out that she has been forcing underage employees to work longer than labor laws allow and denying them mandatory breaks.
- This supervisor
refuses to let the OP, whose Psycho Ex-Boyfriend is always waiting for her by the door at closing time, leave through an alternate exit, laughing in her face when she has had enough and threatens to quit. She does (sending her resignation to the "big boss" who completely understands), and even goes through the unemployment process... but the supervisor refuses to accept this and treats it as her going AWOL, finally calling her up and threatening to fire her if she doesn't show up for work, and ignoring her protests that she doesn't work there any more; the poster finally agrees to come in just to shut her up (but doesn't do so, obviously). After her number gets blocked, the supervisor starts sending employees to the OP's house to demand that she come in to work, though all they do is "chill" at her house (and get paid for doing so). The poster eventually moves (and the ex is dealt with legally).
The impression I get from Bad Boss in my last query was that BadBosses are willing to kill or let serious harm befall their underlings. Would you guys say these examples count?
Edited by DancouMaryuuopenWeird character folder quote change Film
On 26th Oct, sapphyblue change the folder quote in Mark Hoffman's character folder on Characters.Saw: Jigsaw and Accomplices from a quote said by Hoffman himself:
To one said by another character to him (incidentally, the one Hoffman told the aforementioned line to):
I find this change rather weird because I've never seen any character folder or character-specific page use quotes said by other characters to describe the one whom the folder/page addresses (even if they give an idea of who the character is). I'm not really sure how I should deal with this, though. Is it best if I send sapphyblue a notifier? Should I bring this issue on a forum thread? Or should I do something else? Perhaps it's better to leave it as it is?
Edited by Inky100resolved Should a stub work page merge with subpages?
Continue from older query
, I think the topic worth its own query.
A week passed and the troper doesn't appeal, so it isn't like they'll get to fix it in timely manner. But what should we deal with the article? The article itself is stub, but it would has enough trope if we combine it with subpages. That being said, I've absolutely 0% interest in this work and feel fixing it is pointless (not counting clean up edit, only one troper contributed to it).
So should we just send the article and its subpage to cut list, or moving some passable content from the subpages to the work page and delete the subpages? Again, the latter sounds like the correct action, yet it leeks of being Polish the Turd.
Edited by Kuruniresolved WyDuUDuWatUDu = Shaggadelllicc?
I've noticed that Wy Du U Du Wat U Du (who began editing in 2023
) has edited pages on quite a few of the same works that Shaggadelllicc (who was suspended in 2022
) has. Though, admittedly, that isn't enough by itself, the fact that the former troper re-added a Status Quo Is God example about Lisa being a brainy outcast again (albeit rewritten, though still having the same message) that the latter first added on this page
(and it had been cut for shoehorned complaining) is quite suspicious.
openPinocchiogoria Page Videogame
So, I was working on the Pinocchiogoria page and for some reason, the index located down in the bottom of the page lists the Pinocchiogoria page as its own index, despite the fact that the page itself doesn't have an index within the page. How do I fix this problem?
open How broad is I Let You Win?
I recently had a read through it as I was making a TLP draft, wanting to mae sure it is distinct. Based on the description and Playing with page, it tells me that it is about characters who orchestrate someone's win (as in it was planned) and that fact becomes known after. However, I found a pothole to here from Sore Loser's Adventure Time example, where Finn genuinely wants to win but sabotages himself to make Jake happy, and the latter never finds out. So does I Let You Win cover this scope, or is this a case of misuse?
Edited by Eggy0openThe alphabetisation of the tv series’ main page.
Hello, everyone. I happen to find this main page called Outland, a Australian tv show I’ve discovered not too long ago (also not to be confused with this page and this page, that both works share the same title). While it doesn’t seem important but the alphabets listed under the "Following examples include" from the tv show look rather messy, or perhaps there is no issue with it?
I thought it would be alright worth mentioning this seemingly obscure tv show known as the Outland, released in 2012. I definitely can fix the alphabetical order by myself somehow without a doubt (after all, I honestly did do some edits through this page before). So first long story short, is it okay to simply ignore it or proceed fixing the alphabetisations freely (though it might probably take me some time to finish however)?
openInviting others to forum threads
Hi there,
I've searched, but I'm afraid I can't seem to find the answer.
How do I invite another troper to a thread? Am I correct in thinking that adding a ~ symbol, followed by their user-name, pings them an alert in P Ms?
I've received P Ms saying a troper "wants to draw my attention to this Image Pickin' post" (for example) but I'm not sure how to do that myself.
Thank you,
Lex.
resolved An addition that I might need help on evaluating Western Animation
MamaLadilla suddenly added
the phrase "(and confirmed biologically-female)" to this entry. Turning it from this:
- Viewer Gender Confusion The non-binary Raine Whispers is sometimes mistaken for a man due to their masculine voice and hairstyle, though a flashback episode shows their younger self with a more feminine voice and appearance.
To this:
- The non-binary (and confirmed biologically-female) Raine Whispers is sometimes mistaken for a man due to their masculine voice and hairstyle, though a flashback episode shows their younger self with a more feminine voice and appearance.
OK, first off, where was that confirmed? Second, was this really necessary to add?
Edited by AudioSpeaks2openMisuse(?) / more Ohvist issues
Ohvist added this to YMMV.My Little Pony A New Generation
- Spiritual Successor: Far too many comparisons to note within the general storyline, internal lore, character archetypes, and setting taking place sometime after the events of Friendship is Magic that the movie itself feels very much like a Kid-friendly adaptation of Fallout: Equestria.
- Best exemplified HERE
.
- Best exemplified HERE
- This is edit warring as they added it back after I removed it as they're too different in tone and content despite some similarities (FE is a R-rated war fic, ANG is family friendly). Cleanup
said to cut when they added it under YMMV.My Little Pony Generation 5.
- The video they linked is their own channel which seems problematic.
This is in addition to their other issues I I brought up prior
.
open Embarrassing Name Inspiration
Should the Embarrassing Name tropes cover an intance where the name itself is not embarrassing, but the background for it is?
Like if a character is named John and there is nothing wrong about it, but then we find out his mother gave him that name becuase she gave birth in a bathroom, so she decided to name him John.
open Questionable deleted example
This was deleted from YMMV.Pokemon Sun And Moon:
- Common Knowledge: Many point to Lusamine being a bad and abusive mother, when the game itself heavily implies that Nihilego's neurotoxins heavily affected her mind, mostly causing her to become obssessed with Ultra Beasts, particularly Nihilego. Not helping the fact that her husband mysteriously vanished sometime prior. There's likewise no real evidence of her being abusive towards her children. At most, controlling of Lillie and dismissive of Gladion. In the post-game, Gladion himself states Lusamine's change was the result of Nihilego.
The edit reason was "Lusamine literally insults her children and treats them with scorn. Verbal abuse is still abuse. Stop placing all the blame on an innocent Pokémon acting on instinct to excuse this vile woman’s behavior. I have suffered from verbal abuse by my own mother and it has deeply affected me, and I see a lot of her behavior reflected in Lusamine."
My issue is what was supposed to be the "Common Knowledge", that she wasn't shown as directly abusive under Nihilego's neurotoxin (which is untrue), or that she was abusive even without said influence (also untrue as objectively portrayed otherwise, but has fans disagree covered by UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.Pokemon), or about the extent of her abuse being speculation/Fanon as opposed to clearly shown (the difference between Fanon/CK is an issue I've noticed)? That would determine the validity of the deletion.
resolved Transphobic edit reason Videogame
mrluntishysterical removed
the Cross-Dressing Voices entry on Trivia.SuperMarioBrosWonder, citing that Giselle Fernandez is "biologically female", though Giselle themself is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns.
I reverted the entry already and sent them a notifier before writing this query, but I have a feeling this may turn into a possible agenda in the long run.
resolved Non-YMMV trope in YMMV page: Final Fantasy Legend II Videogame
...And I thought it wouldn't ever happen again, but it does:
In the page YMMV.Final Fantasy Legend II, Nintendo Hard is listed there. Speaking of which, Video Games difficulty might be subjective between players, but if a lot of players see the Video Game with trope page in this site is seen as hard, it would been listed in the main page, rather than the YMMV.
Oddly enough, the trope has been there from the creation of the YMMV page, which is relatively new compared to the main Video Game page itself, and created in January 2021, likely to make out a separate YMMV page for Final Fantasy Legend II).
What will I do?
EDIT: As of this TRS thread
, apparently the decision of Nintendo Hard being subjective has resulted it in being moved to YMMV trope. So I guess it's fine to move it back to YMMV. And this is after I self-locked the query by marking it as Resolved! Dang it.
resolved Problematic troper
They made SCP Chronicles and its subpages. The work page itself is stub with only two good tropes (albeit with three examples for one trope), the other are either ZCE or general example. The Characters/ and Recap/ also suffer similar problem (the have more trope examples than the main work page however, even if everything on the work page are duplicated on these subpages) plus several empty folders.
I fixed these pages per our standard procedures (commenting out ZCE, removing misuse, removing spoiler tag above examples, removing empty folders, etc.) and sent them 4 notifiers for stub, spoiler, misuse, and ZCE (the last one is from different article here
.
Sadly, they don't seems to get it
. They do fix some ZCE, but also uncommenting other ZCE and restore empty folders).
I suspect Auto-Erotic Troping. And I don't know if it's wrong, but Laconic.SCP Chronicles is word-by-word copied from Laconic.SCP Animated Tales From The Foundation.
Edited by KuruniopenFor Want of a Nail substitute
So For Want Of A Nail is apparently not a trope anymore (something I disagree with, but fine), and I've got a problem. Many of the alternatives offered don't really fit with some of the examples used for characters, most commonly when describing the differences between the main version of a character and their AU self. Should these differences be put in the Alternate Self trope or can anyone think of a different trope that could be used?

Today, I stumbled upon Gerry Tesch and Marina Terkulova. These are the parents of Gloria Tesch, who is the author the terrible vanity-published Maradonia Saga. All three creator pages were made by Pony Boy and lack tropes or sections listing what they've worked on. Gloria is fine as a creator page as long as someone makes a section listing her works, but I'm not so convinced for her parents.
My problem is twofold. For one, in addition to the pages being very barebones and self-isolated, I don't know if they need creator pages. Gerry at least directed Maradonia and the Shadow Empire, which is also a terrible vanity project as you might imagine, and it non-specifically says he worked on German writing, so maybe there's something there. Marina absolutely does not need a creator page though, since the only thing she's done is make the illustrations for her daughter's books. For two, they just seem to exist to document controversies surrounding these infamous books. They're written neutrally, but there's this sort of undercurrent around these pages existing at all.
Can I cutlist those two pages, or is there enough to salvage something?
Edited by MurlocAggroB