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openNamespace button order
Namespace subpages are sorted alphabetically as far as I know.
So why is Visual Novel positioned after YMMV?
Edited by sohibilopenTroper with odd issue in Forensic Files
In The Gallbladder seems to take a strange umbrage with the edits on the Forensic Files page, having deleted a large portion of the page without valid reason.
Thankfully, another user restored all of the deleted edits due to it being crucial to the show and certain episodes, but they've done this before, even deleting examples that were mentioned in-universe,
which of course I cannot re-add myself without being accused of edit warring.
resolved Looking for a page
I am looking for the page where you can give ideas for adding examples to tropes, (when writing it yourself won't do it justice) for other people that want to edit the wiki but don't have ideas.
I thought I remembered looking at a page like that before, but after half an hour of searching I still can't find it.
3/29/2024 Posthumous edit: I originally closed this as resolved due to extreme anxiety despite not actually finding what I was looking for, which was Trope Idea Salvage Yard.
Edited by moosetwinopenAdvice on how to proceed with a Bumblekast Page. Videogame
So, for those who don't know, The BumbleKast is a podcast run by semi-famed Sonic the Hedgehog writer Ian Flynn and a close friend of his. From its humble beginnings as a rather standard podcast, it's more recent incarnations have become more frequently about for fun questions from various Sonic fans (myself included). The sticky thing is that it also does occasionally get serious questions pertaining to Sonic lore and due to his increasingly prominent role in the franchise, his answers are frequently treated as Word of God and regularly gets cited on various Sonic trivia pages, even when he makes clear his word only goes so far. And they've had incidents with hostile tropers in the past.
For these reasons, the page would obviously get a huge disclaimer relating to how seriously it is to be taken. I'm wondering if a stricter citation rule would be warranted too. Any other advice before I go forward with it (or if I shouldn't) would be welcome.
Edited by DDRMASTERMresolved Unsure about possible sockpuppet (RESOLVED)
This troper's issues haven't gone totally unnoticed, given they've repeatedly
had to have
contentious edits fixed
, but long story short is this: SGC487336 has a history of making misplaced unilateral edits like these
ones
, tends to misuse/misapply Hate Sink as an excuse to wonk
, has wildly inconsistent grammar (compare this edit
to this one
) and in general just has a lot of customs violations. I sent them a notifier about the Eddsworld change on October 23rd that they never responded to.
The reason I'm considering that this might be Kissinger 113 is due to the account being created less than two days after the interim of their second
suspension
, with their (SGC's) first edit being:
- Arch-Enemy: Chandler becomes Lincoln's Arch-Nemesis since "The Waiting Game", "Schooled!", and for the rest of the episodes.
- Big Bad: Becomes the main antagonist of The Loud House series.
- Faux Affably Evil: Be careful, Chandler pretends to be nice and polite to Lincoln and his friends until he becomes aggressive and hateful character.
This was back when they had a more consistent writing style, with one of Kissinger's final edits being rather similar to both this and the second Helluva Boss entry linked above:
- Red Herring: Lori initially paints Carol out to be an insufferable Alpha Bitch who strives to steal her thunder, though it's subverted when it's revealed that Carol isn't that different from Lori and in fact possesses similarly leveled insecurities about Lori's accomplishments.
Admittedly, this isn't enough proof in and of itself, but given how active they both were on The Loud House pages, that one Eddsworld change where they merely made a cut-and-paste copy of the then-current What Could Have Been list without getting rid of the latter (which seems like on-site plagiarism, as opposed to Kissinger's being off-site) and the fact that Kissinger seems to have written this entry on TLH's now-deleted
Surprisingly Realistic Outcome page according to their edit history, something that was laden with stretches, ZCE's and some wonks (all of SGC's biggest problems with writing entries in a nutshell) I'm still suspicious about all this.
E: Resolved now; thanks Gaston.
Edited by Coachpillresolved Possible Word Cruft? Videogame
I attempted to ask this in the "Is this Word Cruft?" thread
, but haven't gotten a response.
This was recently added to YMMV.Mario Kart 8:
- Let’s face it, even if you hadn’t seen the Prefix Leak or didn’t know it was in Tour, you knew Wii Rainbow Road would be the final track of the Booster Course Pass, so it wasn’t even a slight surprise upon its reveal.
While it's not wrong, as others (including myself) were indeed able to predict the course, it just comes of as crufty to me. What should I do?
Edited by ChillyBeanBAMresolved Ban Evader Concern?
Okay, so I'm not 100% certain on this, but the red flags are becoming way too hard to ignore. I think Planet Of The Primates may be Amour Le Fou because:
- They've resurrected Cartoon Monkey
, a TLP draft Amour was very interested in.
- They've resurrected Amour's "Stock Cartoon Animal Depictions
" draft, which was extremely contentious.
All that was just sort of coincidental though. What really gets me worried is their very similar edit histories. They frequent a lot of the same trope and work pages. Comparing their edit history is downright uncanny. It's the same deal with their forum history — they play the same games (which in and of itself wouldn't be incriminating, but on top of everything...)
So, that's the rub. If a mod could look into this, I'd appreciate that.
resolved Trope Launched Before It Was Ready
On the draft for Peculiar Penguin
, both Booplesnoot and myself expressed concern over the scope of the trope, both saying it was too broad and that the page needed work before launching. Bedford took some of our advice, but also ignored large parts of it and went ahead and launched once the trope drifted off the front page.
Is this kosher? The page had just barely passed the minimum wait time and had its launch announced prior, but to my understanding the launch announcement is to be delayed when there's an issue.
EDIT: Changing some of my wording, the draft had more hats than I remembered.
Also, is there a dedicated place to discuss recent launches?
Edited by MurlocAggroBopenConsensus on Handling These Gargoyles Manhattan Clan Edits? Western Animation
Steven Alex 22 made an inaccurate change to the Characters page for the Manhattan Clan in Gargoyles, removing the reference in Antiope's entry to Antiope having been nicknamed that by the Captain of the Guard's daughter Alesand. Not only do we see it happen in the recent issue #4, it was already mentioned by Alesand back in issue #1. Therefore, it is not "All There in the Manual" since it derives from published stories and not just the script. I can't change it back myself without edit warring, since I wrote that part in the first place, so Steven Alex 22 or someone else will have to revert the change.
They also made two strange changes that turned correct grammar into incorrect grammar. In Lefty's entry, they changed "the older biological brother of Demona, whom he resembles" to "Demona's biological older brother, whom he resembles". Moving "whom he resembles" away from the name of the person Lefty resembles makes the sentence lose sense and sound awkward. In Katana's entry, they changed "she and others return from patrol moments before the sun comes up, and she immediately insists to Brooklyn on checking on their egg" to "she and others return from patrol moments before the sun comes up, she immediately insists to Brooklyn on checking on their egg". Removing the "and" makes it a run-on sentence for no apparent reason.
Edited by NOYBresolved Troper with a string of bad edits
So, lately I’ve been noticing how Ninja Ghost Dragon has been making pretty terrible edits that I frequently have to undo because of how bad they often are. Lemme give some examples:
- Adding a non-canon example to the Dooku page that has nothing to do with the canon works.
Whenever a Legends work is discussed in a Star Wars page, there should be a comparison to the canon works or else they're not necessary there.
- This edit pretty much undoes the trope and the excuses and additions they added in the edits are either subjective or downright incorrect.
Their wrong edit pretty much means the trope can’t be played straight because if there are "whole others" (and there’s not because those those few people mentioned in the example are the only ones Anakin’s kind to) then this trope can’t be played straight.
- Constant grammatical and spelling errors. Lemme give a bunch of examples:
- Just take a look at the number of grammatical and spelling errors they made in this Anakin edit
.
- I undid this but they said might of instead of might have, misspelled destroy, and said "a Jocasta Nu" rather than just Jocasta Nu
.
- They should’ve used self-preservationism and they used the wrong kind of reckless.
- Forgetting to italicize the show name, verbal tic word cruft in the form of "heck", and at the very least they should have put a comma after using heck.
- Removing "where" when it was used properly, using "antagonizes" instead of "antagonizing", not adding a comma after using "also" at the beginning of the sentence.
- Again forgetting to italicize a work’s title
.
- Uses "with rifle" instead of "with a rifle", made a typo with "killedm ore" which I presume is "killed more", unnecessary use of the word along, and misspelling "desperately".
- Disobeying Edit Tip 8 (A trope can't be "partially subverted" any more than a woman can be "a little bit pregnant), using all caps on averted, and being grammatically incorrect in the edit reason to boot.
- Just take a look at the number of grammatical and spelling errors they made in this Anakin edit
And that’s just scratching the surface. If I had more time, I could probably add around 10-20 more examples of them making bad edits.
Edited by MaxyGregoryyyyresolved Troper camping on the Sonic Adventure 2 pages. Videogame
Troper L Fisher has been cutting multiple edits that portray GUN (one of the antagonists of Sonic Adventure 2) exactly as negatively as the game itself does, and making edits that partially exonerate them for committing mass murder ("but the Black Arms!"); they also tend to cut any mention that GUN was implied to be framing Sonic. While all this has been going on for a while, my personal last straw was them doing both of these recently, reducing the "Frame-Up" entry to a single sentence that isn't even accurate (Shadow didn't frame Sonic, at least not intentionally).
Not only is it extremely difficult to make edits about GUN on these pages, but I feel that this is treading uncomfortably close to apologia for real-world atrocities.
open New NRLEP Crowner!
Up for NRLEP we have:
- Agonizing Stomach Wound (too common, related to other NRLEP Anatomy Agony tropes)
- As You Know (a narrative trope since it's about explaining things for an audience's benefit, a stock phrase)
- Confirmed Bachelor (narrative, too common, gossip since it's often a euphemism for a closeted gay person)
- Fake Ultimate Hero (too controversial, being used to complain about celebrities, attracting subjective examples)
- Frivolous Lawsuit (attracting complaining, too common, attracting poor examples)
- Hollywood Hacking (being suggested to be un-NRLEP'd, is not impossible)
- Hope Crusher (too controversial, a narrative trope)
- I Have Boobs, You Must Obey! (sexuality trope, attracting sexy weblinks, attracting a list of stupid t-shirts)
- I Have No Son! (too controversial, a stock phrase, gossip about people's family dramas)
- Implausible Deniability (attracting ROCEJ violations like this
, related to the NRLEP Blatant Lies)
- Look Ma, No Plane! (brought up a while ago
as being a potential un-NRLEP-ing candidate, since it is not actually impossible)
- Plucky Girl (a stock character, too common)
- Self-Fulfilling Prophecy (a narrative trope, attracting anecdotes and ROCEJ violating examples)
- "Well Done, Son" Guy (too controversial, gossip about people's family dramas)
openIs this work allowed?
So I ended up coming across a page for p#blm, and I'm wondering if this is a project that has been discussed or permitted in the past, because the content looks sus as hell. This webcomic is a load of wall-of-text soyjak memes from 4chan where the shtick is that person A is introduced spouting a huge Wall of Text of racism/sexism/antisemitism/anti-LGBT/whatever hateful rhetoric before person B enters to with an equally huge Wall of Text arguing against their bigotry. All edits on the page since its creation have been handled by one troper.
Putting aside the questionable taste in subject matter (especially when half of it is loads of unfiltered hateful rhetoric written by a 4chan user), and especially not to put the troper on blast (they've done plenty of exceptional work and I fully believe the page was made in good faith), but is this actually something that warrants a page? I know There Is No Such Thing as Notability, but this feels sort of like a weird grey area considering the "soyjak" memes this thing is basing all its characters on are not of its own creation — the content is otherwise an author(s) delivering a pretty blatant war on straw and long proselytizing in "meme" format. Compare it to something like Rage Comics, which itself kind of has problems of coverage but at least treats the "work" about the actual original characters and contexts they're made for.
Edited by number9roboticopenDub-Induced Plot Hole misuse (not Plot Holes)?
- Naturally, this is the case when My Little Pony: Equestria Girls received a Japanese dub that was released on Netflix. Japanese viewers may be confused as to where Twilight suddenly got wings from, and why she suddenly has a crown and is a princess. Of course, since Season 3 of Friendship Is Magic had yet to air in Japan, which explains everything, this left a major plot hole in Equestria Girls' Japanese Dub. It got worse when Rainbow Rocks and Friendship Games were quickly and subsequently released in the region. Rainbow Rocks features Twilight's new castle, and Friendship Games has a scene in its Stinger mentioning Twilight's time-travelling adventures. Naturally, since Seasons 3 and beyond have yet to come to Japan, this turned a mere plot hole into a plot canyon for Japanese viewers. Needless to say, many Japanese fans are not happy that the Equestria Girls films have been dubbed before the rest of Friendship Is Magic and have even boycotted this move by watching Japanese fansubbed versions of the original show in English online instead. This hasn't deterred anything it seems, as Legend of Everfree and the Magical Movie Night special were still released in Japan. Speaking of the latter, it features Starlight Glimmer, effectively making it her debut to Japanese audiences (and not her villainous self in "The Cutie Map"), thus expanding the plot holes even wider. Not sure if plot hole as it's effectively Out of Order (if/when the dub catches up) and/or offscreen developments. Only the first might be a plot hole as it's the only one critical to the logic of the story, the others are just nods. Dub Adaptation Explanation Extrication might be better.
- BIONICLE film examples: Swedish and Hungarian dubs of The Legend Reborn misinterpret the Great Beings as "Giant Beings", giving the impression that the huge robot assembled at the end of the movie is such a giant. The word "Great" is merely a fancy title, the Great Beings are no giants, they'd be about the same size as most of the main characters and the robot is one of their many creations, not an actual Great Being. Dub error, but not plot hole as it does not effect/break the internal logic behind this work. But one of the redirects is Errors Through Localization so does/can DIPH also cover non-plot holes?
openRegarding Omega Supreme on the ''Transformers'' Character page.
On this page, the folder for Omega Supreme is mostly written using Omega's speech patterns, as though he is describing himself. Should these entries as they're written now be offloaded to a Self-Demonstrating Page, or should they just be rewritten to match the wiki's standards? I'm inclined towards the latter, as there doesn't seem to be enough content to warrant a unique page for the character, but I wanted to check.
Edited by Notsofriendlyresolved Fic author wants page deleted
The contents of Fanfic.Stormy Bubbles got replaced with the fic's author stating she wants the page deleted since the fic has been deleted.
I know this is a violation of The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours but how do I go about this myself?
openContinued Sinkhole issues.
Quotes.Villainous Breakdown Film Live Action
I previously removed the Punctuated! For! Emphasis! link as a Chained Sinkhole, but it was added back. Permission to re-remove?
Also, despite prior cleanups agreeing to add commented out notes to top of Villainous Breakdown quotes pages not to add sinkholes, they're still a magnet for and regularly attracting such. So is they're anything more that can be done?

Awhile back I reported Samazing 91 for edit warring
by re-adding a second bullet to an Unintentionally Sympathetic on YMMV.Landry Series here
. Here was said entry:
It was removed again by a third troper here
.
However, Samazing 91 re-added
it, if slightly tweaked, not as a second bullet but to the main entry.
Here it was before:
Here it is now (I bolded the re-added part):
Is this an Edit War? I know that this is not technically the same edit, but it is re-adding the same information for the third time in two and a half weeks from each other. They also didn't discuss it anywhere, despite me informing them the last time that they needed to discuss re-adding something before doing so. That said, due to not being the exact same edit and maybe fixing the mistake by it no longer being natter (I think), it might not be an Edit War. I am legit unsure.
Edited by Bullman