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resolved Does "Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things" cover hatedoms?
About a week ago, Nemlei, the creator of The Coffin of Andy and Leyley and other titles, ended their online presence and removed themselves from fandom interactions after some users of an anonymous forum board attempted (and failed) to doxx them.
~EndarkCuli initially added this entry to YMMV.The Coffin Of Andy And Leyley (which was then moved to Trivia.The Coffin Of Andy And Leyley by ~SoyValdo7), which was later edited by ~Konnor to specify it was "outside" of fandom.
- Despite the game itself having overall positive reviews, outside fandom reactions to one of the potential endings of Episode 2 led to the original creator terminating their online presence; while they will be continuing to work on story and art for the full version offline, Kit9 Studio was given ownership of the property and tasked with community management.
Setting aside that the doxxing started on a board that is notable for extreme transphobia and only started under the assumption the creator was transcontent warning The original post refers to Nemlei as "[transphobic slur] behind [the] cannibal incest game", mockingly uses neopronouns for them (when they have never specified such pronouns), users in the thread accuse the devs of being trans and groomers, you get the idea., they're clearly not fans of the work itself.
In my opinion, it doesn't count as Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things. Can I cut this?
Edit: Sorry, I cited the wrong person as adding the entry. SoyValdo7 only moved it to the Trivia subpage.
Final edit: Entry (and page since it was the only Trivia item) has been cut. Locking as resolved.
Edited by lapistieropenListing every couch gag Western Animation
I don't really know where else to put this, but I'm wondering if CouchGag.Bobs Burgers is a proper use of the subpage. It lists every example (up to Season 10) of the show's Couch Gag (namely, the names on the store next door and the van), while most other examples of Couch Gag simply stop at a summary of the gag, and maybe give a few noteworthy (e.g. Lampshade Hanging) examples. For comparison, the reason CouchGag.The Simpsons is so lengthy is because the intro has multiple couch gags and their variants tend to be very self-referential and involved due to being an iconic Trope Namer.
So should we cut the Bob's Burgers page and just move it to a couple of examples?
open Dvaderstarlord5 Edit War
I've come to report an edit war from Dvaderstarlord 5. On the Live Action TV page for Franchise Original Sin, they removed the header for Supernatural from the examples from said show while also adding in some examples related to Stranger Things. I added the header for the Supernatural examples back so as to maintain accuracy as to which show the examples related to. However, in very recent times, he's deleted the Supernatural header again for (yet again) undisclosed reasons (despite the examples under this now twice deleted header very clearly applying to Supernatural and not having Jack to do with Stranger Things). And since I was the one who'd previously restored the header the last time, I can't do it this time without edit warring myself.
Edited by SimbafanA1openWhich examples sound like character bashing on this page? Anime
Sailor Moon
- Usagi Tsukino can be this:
- She can be a Clingy Jealous Girl toward Mamoru and hates when other women get close to him, but she is not always faithful herself, judging by the way she stares at other boys. Apparently, only one of them needs to be 100% devoted. This is mostly in the first anime.
- In one episode, she slaps Mamoru for forgetting her birthday even though she never told him, but she doesn't know his birthday either.
- Chibi-Usa can be this as well:
- She accuses Usagi of being "ungrateful" for rejecting her mother's hot cakes (and she only rejected them because she had already eaten something and didn't even know her mother was making something for her in the first place) when she herself does not appreciate that Usagi has constantly put her own life on the line to save her from danger.
- In one episode, she gets viciously angry at Usagi after the latter unknowingly steals the pie she baked for a classmate. In other episodes, she would knowingly steal Usagi's food just for the sake of it.
- For all her talk about Usagi being an incompetent guardian, she proves to be quite incompetent at being a guardian herself once she starts her training.
- She (along with the others) criticizes Usagi for her laziness, even though she is shown to be rather lazy herself; for instance, she has Usagi carry all the groceries while she herself is empty-handed.
- Luna the Cat also has her moments:
- She gets on Usagi's case when the latter allegedly wet the bed, but she doesn't hold it against Chibi-Usa when it's revealed it was her who did it. When Usagi points this out to Luna, Luna excuses herself by telling her, "Well, you deserved it."
- When she merely thinks Diana is the lovechild of Artemis and another cat, she violently rages at him. Fast-forward to Sailor Stars, where she openly fawns over Yaten, perfectly fine with the fact that Artemis knows.
- She also had the nerve to taunt Usagi for not noticing if Chibi-Chibi was her daughter or not when she herself failed to realize that Diana was her daughter and jumped to conclusions. Usagi rightfully calls her out on this, and she quickly becomes embarrassed.
- She usually does nothing to stop Chibi-Usa from antagonizing Usagi, yet she has the nerve to call out Usagi whenever she retaliates in any way.
- Haruka Tenoh is another example:
- During the early stages of her relationship with Michiru, Haruka snarked that she didn't think a privileged rich girl like her could possibly understand a concept as bleak as the apocalypse, even though Haruka herself is a privileged rich girl.
- Before going to confront Eudial with Michiru, Haruka tells Usagi that they won't let her slow them down with her "half-baked play war". She says this, even though she and Michiru didn't have a concrete plan for finding the Talismans all season and they hadn't formed a plan for when they confronted Eudial and when they did, she quickly gained the upper hand. Had Usagi heeded their threat and stayed away, Haruka and Michiru would've died and the Death Busters would've gotten a hold on two Talismans.
- In the Stars season, she expresses distaste at the way Seiya "indiscriminately approaches women", yet Haruka has been shown to flirt with a lot of girls, including Usagi and the Inner Soldiers (even stealing a kiss from Sailor Moon in the manga/Crystal without her consent, which is a form of sexual assault) and unlike Seiya, Haruka is in a relationship (a stable one with trust from both sides, but still).
- Both her and Michiru often display Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance when it comes to criticizing the Inner Guardians. Generally, this takes the form of treating the Inner scouts as new girls who haven't had to make tough sacrifices. The truth being Venus had been active for at least a year prior to the events of season 1 (and Michiru being active at most around season 2), and all five of them dying in heroic sacrifices in the end of Season 1.
- Rei often scolds and mocks Usagi for certain traits and habits, yet she herself exhibits the exact same behavior or does it after scolding Usagi for doing so. One of the best examples of this is in the fifth season, when Usagi is shown worrying about Seiya, at which point Rei shows up and says, "Stop worrying about someone else and go study!" Ignoring that Rei is, at that moment, worrying about someone else and not studying.
openWhich of the examples are accurate and which of the examples are just character bashing? Anime
- Neon Genesis Evangelion:
- Asuka Langley Soryu often proves herself worthy of this trope:
- She always criticizes Shinji for being useless, even though she constantly screws up missions with her own stubbornness and pride.
- She blames Shinji for their botched first kiss, claiming that he's rejecting her, when it was her own fault for goading him into kissing her with convoluted and mixed signals, as well as holding Shinji's nose to prevent his breathing from tickling her, which suffocates him. All of which are very unromantic.
- She frequently calls out Shinji for being so weak and vulnerable, despite the fact that, as the series progresses, it turns out she is just as weak and vulnerable as he is, albeit trying to hide it with aggression and temper tantrums.
- She treats all the boys she's around with contempt and considers them perverts and/or idiots, yet she herself engages in very inappropriate sexual conduct with her guardian, Kaji, and consistently makes and commits idiotic decisions and actions that not only endanger her but others.
- She constantly attacks Shinji for not being "a man" or not "manning up", yet she herself is hardly what one would call "womanly".
- While it's partially true that Misato shows Parental Favoritism towards Shinji, Asuka is the last person to call her out, especially when all she wants and craves is to be praised, loved, and coddled.
- For all her complaints about no one caring for her, she herself is shown to care very little (if at all) for the well-being of her teammates, even belittling them after enduring serious trauma.
- She also has the nerve to blame others for rejecting her when she frequently and deliberately rejects, rebukes, abuses, and takes advantage of others.
- She calls Shinji selfish for wanting to save the world merely to impress his father, yet Asuka's own motive is at its core just as selfish as she does it out of a need for validation too.
- She feels entitled to and demands unconditional devotion and praise from anyone and everyone she meets. However, Asuka feels no obligation to treat others with even the slightest amount of respect and decency unless doing so will keep them under her thrall or otherwise advance her interests in some way; she treats virtually everyone around her with undisguised contempt.
- Asuka is also in no position to chew Shinji out for being afraid of getting hurt and being rejected by others, considering that she herself is afraid of getting hurt by others, and especially because she is one of the people, aside from Gendo, responsible for hurting and rejecting Shinji.
- Asuka gets angry and disgusted at Shinji for complaining, claiming that he's always blaming others, yet she is the one who whines and complains more than anyone in the entire franchise and consistently blames or shifts the blame to others for her own faults.
- Asuka Langley Soryu often proves herself worthy of this trope:
resolved Edit War regarding unconfirmed info (Genshin spoilers)
Ebro 4920 added that the Abyss Order returned in Fontaine AQ as the Arc Villain here
, when it's just the All-Devouring Narwhal, which has no indication of being affiliated with it.
I removed it
but they readded it
, saying "the fact that it's on this page implies that it's also part of the order," ignoring that the entity is on the "Independent Entities" header and that the Ebro4920 was the one to add it in the first place (I did not realize this one until reading the history).
I did PM Ebro4920, to no response. And I apologize for trying to Edit War myself
(although I immediately undid it afterwards).
EDIT: Ebro4920 has since PMed me to remove the aforementioned Out of Focus entry entirely not only for the unaffiliated entity but also for the Abyss Order's role in Chapter III's Caribert (which is pretty recent), so it's all good.
Edited by ExaskliriopenDropped a Bridge on Him example Live Action TV
A long while ago I added this example to Recap.Doctor Who S 27 E 13 The Parting Of The Ways:
- Dropped a Bridge on Him: Not to anywhere near the extent of say, the Sixth Doctor's death-by-falling-over or the Eighth Doctor's regeneration not (at the time) being explained at all, but the fact that Rose was able to store the vortex energy for several minutes and only got a headache as a result, while the Doctor is killed by just storing it for a few seconds raised more than a few eyebrows.
Another troper later added this underneath the entry:
- Considering that Rose was able to bring Jack back to life, the Doctor might have been able to heal Rose, but couldn't heal himself.
This resulted in a third troper deleting the entire example with "Repair, Don't Respond" in the edit reason. However, would I be right in thinking that the second-level bullet point was speculative troping, and that the right course of action would have been to just delete that rather than nuking the whole example?
Looking back on it I'm not very happy with how I worded the example in the first place anyway, but just so I'm not engaging in a (very slow-motion) edit war, would I be okay to put the example back in as this:
- Dropped a Bridge on Him: The Doctor's dying as a result of holding the vortex energy in his body for roughly five seconds before he returns it to the TARDIS was seen by some fans as an abrupt and poorly-explained reason for his having to regenerate, especially since it comes right after Rose kept the same energy in her body for several minutes of screentime, while using it to wipe out the Daleks and resurrect Jack.
resolved Strange, complainy creator page
I just noticed that the creator page Creator.Ake Ohlmarks is, to say the least, a bit unusual. It starts as a normal creator page, saying that he was a Swedish scholar and author, and briefly lists some of his works and that he's infamous for his translation of The Lord of the Rings.
Then it launches into a long, detailed list of why this translation is so bad. This makes up about 95% of the page.
One take is that all this is pure complaining. The criticism is not unfair: he took far too many liberties with the source material and committed many outright translation errors, and Tolkien himself was not pleased. But, still, spending 95% of a creator page blasting one of his many works seems like complaining to me, no matter how deserved the criticism is.
You could argue that all this should just be cut as complaining. But the analysis is somewhat interesting, so I'm wondering whether it can be salvaged in some way, perhaps as an Analysis page. Or is it OK to have this on the Creator page? That's why I'm not taking this directly to Complaining cleanup.
Edited by GnomeTitanopenFlypaper (2011) not on TvTropes Film
Note: I don't fully know how Tv Tropes works, so I am not 100% sure if I am at the correct location for this question.
One of my favorite movies of all time is Flypaper from 2011; It's about a bank being robbed by 2 separate groups, and everything goes wrong.
I cannot find this movie on the website, but I am sure that it contains a lot of tropes, seeing as the movie is heavily comedy based and doesn't take itself seriously.
How can I [or, preferably, with the help of other people] create a page for the movie on this website?
openI think I accidently Edit Warred. Sef reporting
So, on YMMV.Charlotte Flair, I removed
the following from her Base-Breaking Character entry:
- By the 2020s, her Invincible Villain booking has gotten so excessive that it would not be hyperbole to say that she has become unanimously disliked by fans. While her in-ring performances still receive high praise, Charlotte's years-long presence in the title picture and her frequent emasculation of the other women on the roster has exhausted the majority of audiences. Very few fans nowadays are likely to applaud her or think of her as a deserving champion considering the sheer number of more-popular opponents Charlotte has run through and humiliated (the most recent example being Toni Storm, whose booking was so mishandled during their feud that she straight up quit WWE shortly after it ended).
I removed it because it seemed to fit more in a The Scrappy entry then a Base-Breaking Character one and I knew that she wasn't that due to failing the consistently hated rule.
However, then I looked at it again and realized that it looked familiar. So, I looked through the history and realized that I had removed the exact same entry but under The Scrappy trope on the same page and had forgot about it here
and it was added back under her Base-Breaking Character entry here
by a different troper who didn't discuss it anywhere.
So, I think I Edit Warred unintentionally and would like to report myself if that is indeed the case. Does the fact that they are different trope's effect things at all?
Edited by BullmanopenCreated a Funny and Heartwarming subpage with few examples itself.
Like, it's not really a problem normally by it's own, but it's from a spin-off subseries example. BanG Dream! Girls Band Party!☆PICO has it's own Heartwarming and Funny subpages created not by me, although with only one example in the former and two in the latter, while the main franchise's respective subpages have more entries.
Coincidentally, the page image for Funny.Bang Dream is technically also from the Garupa PICO spinoff itself.
This is pretty much grey territory I thought, and I'm just as confused, so I might as well ask here for help on what to do and adapt with this.
Edited by JustNormalMusicLoveropenVague edit reason Film
The YMMV page for Die Hard had this entry under Misaimed Fandom:
- John McClane is often seen as an example by gun rights activists of how "a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun." However, this completely ignores how John spends almost the entire film on the defensive, with his very first move being to run away and try to get help. He also spends a good chunk of the second act simply hiding in a remote part of the building and not confronting the terrorists at all apart from dropping C4 on them.
This was deleted by Miracle@St Olaf with the edit reason merely stating "There's plenty someone can say to argue this, which means it probably doesn't need to be here," but it doesn't make any such argument itself. Should the entry be restored?
Edited by Javertshark13openDo images have to go through image pickin' or not?
The previous Image Pickin' thread
for Hammy Villain, Serious Hero eventually held a crowner for both itself and Good Is Not Soft as they shared images eventually decided on pulling the image that was found there and await a new thread where a new image could be discussed.
The consensus was that the then-image was poor for Good Is Not Soft, and it was decided to remove it.
Alex Hoskins then Seemingly added in a new image
a few weeks ago without discussion on the matter. Am I correct in thinking that this is a no-no and the image should be pulled?
Or did I miss something?
openReport Troper
I'm going to be honest, I was going to wait for tomorrow to thoroughly go through Neeku-Nekku-Nakuru-Nikua's edit and forum history to file a long and comprehensive report, but the situation's simplified itself by becoming an Edit War.
- Here he is
over-potholing a CM entry with an edit reason that for some reason talks about grammar
- Here it is
being reverted to bring it back into entry guidelines
- Here he is
reverting it back and threatening to report the other user if they change it again.
There's a whole lot of other stuff on the CM thread of him asking a bunch of questions that are all answered in the pinned post and then not listening to the answers we give him, but this makes the whole situation pretty simple honestly.
Edit: Their most recent post really summarizes the problem - beyond the threatening tone
, he says "don’t make grammar issues of any kinds", which is kinda a problem for someone basically declaring themselves the grammar police.
openMisplaced IKnewIt Entry? Web Original
In Trivia.Cell Spex, I Knew It! is now YMMV, but it's about CellSpex herself accurately predicting a meme. Should it still be moved to the YMMV page?
resolved Possible edit war, spoilers on headers Videogame
Yuusha Fan has added a spoiler tag
on a header in this character page. I removed the tag
and then he added back in anyways
. The thing he added is literally a big time spoiler. Also there is no edit reasons, already DMed him about it. Can I undo that thing? I've already undid it once and I do not want to risk an edit war myself.
resolved Possible unnecessary labelnotes
I found these labelnotes on Characters.Trails Series Calvard Arkride Solutions Office which seems unnecessary to me.
- Dude Looks Like a Lady: His face appearance is apparently androgynous enough that some people, such as Van, can't tell if he's supposed to be a boy or a girl, to his displeasure
◊. Though interestingly, Aaron and Feri actually question how Van could make that kind of mistake.Explanation While they (including Quatre himself) acknowledge that such a mistake would be somewhat plausible from a distance, Van made this mistake while face-to-face with Quatre.
- Kuro II reveals that Quatre is actually a Hermaphrodite due to the experiments he suffered at the D∴G Cult's hands, which explains Van's confusion. Explanation Van's sharper sense likely made him notice something is off about Quatre
I want to reword it but I'm afraid of making a mistake. Any other thoughts?
resolved Verifiable source for character name? Film
The Characters/SonysSpiderManUniverse page gives the name "Corinne Wan" for the Malaysian EMT that the Riot symbiote takes over in Venom, but to my knowledge her name is unrevealed in the film itself (she has a name-tag but I personally can't make it out) and Michelle Lee is only credited as "Malaysia EMT/Riot Host".
I checked the edit history for the page and the editor who added it cites the SSU wiki as their source, which doesn't provide any sources for that being her name... so is there an official reliable source for the EMT's name being Corinne Wan?
EDIT: Her nametag does say Corinne Wan, but it's hard to make out since her full name is only briefly visible at the beginning of the movie.
Edited by Arawn999resolved Anti-character bias?
On Super Mario Bros., Oneperson 323 removed Princess Daisy from the listed female characters in Action Girl, without explaining why in the edit reason. I reverted the edit and sent them an Edit Reason notifier. Normally, I would have deemed the problem solved and moved on.
Except, unfortunately, I spoted this edit
where they threw a gratuitous jab at Daisy in the caption of an image (and I've just noticed that they also changed the image itself, despite having been suspended beforehand for doing unapproved image changes, also on a Mario-related page)
I'm afraid this troper's personal gripes against the character are being reflected on their edits.
EDIT: Punctuation fix.
EDIT : Spotted another problematic edit, where they deleted Princess Daisy's example
in ActionGirl.Video Games

This trope is Never a Self-Made Woman, but it's in TruthInTelevision.D To F with the trope name potholed to a different phrase (which violates "Do Not Alter or Pothole the Trope Name"). Should this be changed, and how?
- Female Success Is Family: Patriarchial cultures, some matriarchial cultures, some religions, etc. believe this to be true, as do some women themselves, whether influenced by the culture or claiming not to be. It was also seen as absolute truth in most Western societies until around The '60s. It's not objective truth, as much as a controversial assumption a lot of people in real life do unfortunately make, and by which they judge other women.
Edited by BlackFaithStar