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openNoYay for YMMV page for Sailor Moon Crystal
This entry is currently on Sailor Moon Crystal. I'm looking to fellow fans familiar with the manga and Crystal specifically for assistance with this, as the 90s anime is not pertinent. Detailed explanation forthcoming for people who aren't.
- No Yay: Unless you have an incest fetish, Chibi-Usa's crush on her father's younger self is creepy, especially after gaining an adult body, brainwashing him, and kissing him.
Well, yes. I agree that Black Lady (Chibi-Usa's transformed older self) is meant to be creepy. Chibi-Usa, however, has been misblamed as an incestuous creepy young girl in the fandom for years.
She's a Daddy's Girl with an emotionally distant mother - she loves him as a father and reveres her as an idol. Her attachment to Mamoru is simultaneously her wanting the paternal love that she suddenly is deprived of, being so far from home, and a precocious crush of the Father, I Want to Marry My Brother flavor. (She also perceives Usagi, Sailor Moon, and her mother Neo-Queen Serenity as being separate people, even though they're just the past/superhero/future self of the same person - it stands to reason that she similarly separates "Mamoru" and "Papa".)
What Wiseman did was meant to be creepy - it's a non-verbal attack on Usagi that the people she loves could be transformed against their will, their bodies twisted, their mind manipulated so they would do things that they would never, ever, in a million years even think about. Chibi-Usa was so hurt and lonely she clung to everyone who offered her kindness, and Wiseman offered her her greatest wishes: grow up, be a lady, have the kind of unconditional love and utter devotion that her father has shown her mother all their lives. Blaming her is blaming the victim.
That's a lot of text just to get to this point: How would you fix this entry? Is merely cutting the part about the fetish enough? I think it should still stay because it has a narrative point, not just there to gross out the audience (or titillate them).
Edited by annieholmesresolved Reporting User (Again)
So, NicMasterTrope has a fairly well-established habit of unfortunate conduct on the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard cleanup threads and the wiki in general due to impatience and unilateral action, quite frequently reported in instances like these: Here
Here
Here
And here
Thing is, the user doesn't seem interested in improving their behavior as they promised. Recently, on the Magnificent Bastard Cleanup thread, the user asked when a draft would be done while saying they'd already made a Video Example for the not-yet-written-up character
. While the latter is not an issue as the character is approved, them demanding to know when a character will be written up is not only a further instance of impatience and rudeness but has been, in the past, precedent for them to try and unilaterally handle the character themself, and the fact it is a character from My Hero Academia, the same franchise as two previous incidents with their tendency toward unilateral edits and attempting to edit other tropers' write-ups, does not inspire faith.
openBarely explained removal on X meets Y
I noticed for the history of the Web Animation page for X meets Y one entry was removed:
- Skibidi Toilet Series is Garry's Mod meets Attack on Titan meets War of the Worlds.
The only reason the editor gave was: Removed skibidi toilet series
That's not a reason, that's just stating the obvious. The entry seemed fine by itself too.
Would it be alright for me to restore?
open Suggestion for a trope: Self Explanatory Mythical Name
So, I was thinking about this and I really don't know if it could be a trope, but I've seen it in so many things that I found it tiring, annoying, but also curious.
It is when a subject, project or creature receives a title with mythological roots without really being tied to it, simply for the fact that it sounds good and is self-explanatory about its nature. For example:
Videogame: In Evolve, by Turtle Rock Studios, every monster had a name related to a mythological beign, sometimes a monster and sometimes a human: Behemoth, Kraken, Goliath, Wraith...
Movies: In the Monsterverse, by Legendary Pictures, the other titans that aren't licensed by other franchises recebed names such as Behemoth, Scylla, Tiamat, Quetzalcoatl, Mokele mbembe (althrough this is more of a british myth rather than an african one) or Kamazots.
Is not like an adaptation of those figures, more like a self explanatory nature by name using another as refference. I'm not sure if this trope already exists, but I left the idea here, in chase someone wanted to writte about it.
openStrawman or InformedWrongness
- Strawman Has a Point:
- The movie paints Magnifico as narcissistic and self-interested in why he's selective about which wishes he grants, but many viewers and commentators have found that his reasons, while self-serving, do go hand in hand with ensuring peace and stability for his kingdom, which a king should strive for. While this doesn't excuse him hoarding the wishes he chooses not to grant rather than return them to their owners, much less what he does later in the story, many people find it hard to vilify him based on how he uses his powers early on, especially prior to him using dark magic and later breaking the wishes to consume their power.
- While Magnifico badly overreacts to his belief that the people of Rosas aren't giving him the proper respect, appreciation, and gratitude, it's also hard to fault him for fearing their love might not be unconditional. It's established that previous apprentices and applicants for the position often sought to use him and their positions to get him to grant their wishes or the wishes of a loved one, to the point where he was disappointed that Asha would ask him to consider granting Sabino's wish at that day's ceremony before she'd even gotten the job. And when he's trying to ask the populace for help in figuring out what the strange new magical force in the land is and who was responsible for it, everyone in the crowd is more concerned with what the situation means for their wishes than anything else; this is actually what sends him over the edge into consulting the Forbidden Book.
This was moved to Informed Wrongness as "Misuse. Magnifico is the main villain in the movie, not a Straw Character that solely exists to be wrong."
But my impression was as he was created to be the main villain he was made to ultimately be in the wrong (a lot of the movies contentions is how it had to resort to what's seen as last minute dive into full villainy to make him fully in the wrong). So is Strawman not the better fit?
If he was supposed to be more nuanced than a mere strawman, than is this really unintentional and instead Writer Cop Out?
resolved Cerebus Syndrome - does it require the work to be clearly nonserious? Western Animation
I looked under Cerebus Syndrome, and I see both Amphibia and The Owl House listed.
The Owl House started out semi-story-based, in that it was episodic but still told stories, and still took itself somewhat seriously (in that the stories were somewhat serious and there was clear worldbuilding) but had comedy. Then things ramped up near the end of season 1.
Amphibia, meanwhile, was more about random adventures, with more story in season 2, then it ramped up with Marcy's "death" at the end of season 2.
To me, these are very different things entirely. One was somewhat story-based but went to full continuing storylines. The other one was more random adventures but then jumped to having more lore and backstory, then suddenly turned dark all at once.
Looking through I see other examples that I feel aren't totally that trope. Like, there are shows that simply went from having no continuity to having continuity (a show called The Raccoons). That's not the same thing as "goes from silly random comedy to suddenly dark."
Does this trope need cleanup? Am I misunderstanding what it's about? Does it need a new description, or something to make it much more clear what is and isn't an example of Cerebus Syndrome?
openavoiding 'DyeingForYourArt' edit war in Tropic Thunder
hello
Clear Air Turbulence removed an in-universe example of Dyeing for Your Art from Tropic Thunder, calling it irrelevant
i restored it and cited that it's a direct parody of movies like Saving Private Ryan, Platoon (which is one of the movies Tropic Thunder is parodying) and Band of Brothers
in a pm they said that the page only covers hair dye, but the page itself contains examples for training, boot camp, method acting, etc
can i get a consensus on this?
resolved Donkey Kong from the Mario movie
Well, it looks like I edited a file of Donkey Kong from the link
and I find him very attractive as Mr. Fanservice himself, because of being a Hunk and doing a Pec Flex ocassionally. I think some comments were right about it. If you would make a page of Donkey Kong spin-off movie when it comes out soon on T Vtropes.com, you'd describe him "the titular character as the sex symbol on the Nintendo Cinematic Universe". So, that's why...
resolved Entire Page Typo Web Original
I was looking on the Dethroning page for Web Orginal Others and noticed that there was a very obvious typo in the title and page url, with "Original" being spelled wrong.
Is this something for a mod or admin to fix? I'm hesitant on doing this myself, not only because of how big this change would be, but I just don't know how to do that properly.
Edited by MidnightRun99openQuestionable edit. Live Action TV
These two entries were recently posted on YMMV.Young Sheldon by user "marshenwhale".
1) Under Unintentionally Sympathetic:
- Sheldon throughout the entire show could be considered this, since he clearly is on the spectrum but the show never directly acknowledges this or delves into it, all of the times where he acts stuck up or talks down to his family for his intelligence, they treat him like a kid who is just being bratty, but since he is neurodivergent, it means his parents never handle his behavior correctly. This is probably at it's worst in "An Entrepreneurialist and a Swat on the Bottom" where Sheldon is portrayed as being completely in the wrong for calling Meemaw selfish and trying to run away to see a lecture when nobody will take him, but the fact is that Sheldon literally does not understand why what he is doing is wrong considering he doesn't read social cues properly, and is shown to not understand when he is hurting people's feelings because from his perspective, he's just stating facts. So Meemaw spanking him and him later getting grounded makes all of the adults in his life look like morons since they have clearly seen by this point that Sheldon doesn't think in a typical way and just choose to ignore it.
2)Under Unintentionally Unsympathetic:
- Going off the point above in Unintentionally Sympathetic, basically the entire family in most of their conflicts with Sheldon since they all fail to recognize that he isn't neurotypical. This doesn't apply to Georgie since he rarely fights with Sheldon, but it does make George, Mary, and Meemaw all look really dumb. You could argue that this is a result of Mary being very religious and therefore not being very educated on what the spectrum is, but considering the show takes place over multiple years you'd think at some point one of the adults in Sheldon's life would wonder if it applied to him. Worst of all, this even makes Missy look really bad, because as a child growing up in the 80s and 90s, she most definitely would have learned what someone being neurodivergent was at some point but never even brings it up, which causes all of her dislike towards Sheldon to make her look like a total jerk instead of just a child lashing out at being the The Un-Favourite, which is clearly what the writers were going for.
I have some issues with this. For one, while hinted at in both The Big Bang Theory and Young Sheldon, Sheldon has never been confirmed to be neurodivergent, not even by Word of God, who blatantly refuse to answer definitively. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to say he is, but there's no official confirmation.
Also, the post reads like the poster has a bit of a bias. Neurodivergent or not, some of the shit Sheldon pulls is uncalled for and would reasonably make most people angry. When I watched "An Entrepreneurialist and a Swat on the Bottom", I was under the impression that Sheldon knew what he was doing was wrong but did it anyway because his needs are more important to him than everyone else and he acts like that quite often in both shows.
Should this stay or not? Or should it be re-written? I'll let the tropers decide since this is YMMV and I am not the biggest Sheldon Cooper fan so I'm likely biased in My own way.
openAdding memes that bash a rival game?
First, I don't know what to do for now regarding GRD's edits on YMMV.Wuthering Waves, as seen in this edit history
.
For context, there is indeed a Fandom Rivalry going on between fans of Wuthering Waves and Genshin Impact because the former is labeled as a "Genshin Clone" and had an unfortunate messy launch.
These are the Memetic Mutation entries GRD has added:
- "DEV'S LISTENED!" ExplanationBecause of the sheer amount of optimization issues and bugs, not to mention a plot and dialogue that most found to be...lame. A lot of WuWa players, specifically content creators, started making videos on how the developers of Wuthering Waves, Kuro Games, are "listening to player's feedback in order to fix the game." Detractors immediately ran with this, making memes and mocking them since it is not that far off from a coping mechanism.
- "Why would Genshin do this?"/"Psshhh....Hoyoverse spy here...." ExplanationA meme relating to WuWa's rivalry with Genshin Impact. But whenever something bad happens in Wuthering Waves, expect people to sarcastically type this to make fun of WuWa fans accusing miHoYo of sabotage.
- Genshin killer? No. Genshin symbiosis? Yes.ExplanationBecause of how unoptimised Wuthering Waves was, players from the CN region started to shitpost that the only way to properly optimize WuWa was to use Genshin's cache cleaner to run in the background to properly play the game. The whole idea of using your rival's far more optimized cache cleaner in order to run your game properly was so absurd - like some sort of bizarre software symbiosis - that both the Genshin and WuWa communities found it to be absolutely hilarious in all the wrong ways. It has to be seen to be believed.
- Stuttering Waves/Withering Waves/etc ExplanationAnother set of memes poking fun at Wuthering Waves....notorious framerate and performance optimization issues. Much derision and mockery was made at the game's expanse.
There's a dilemma here. On one hand, most of these memes have already spread enough that simple Google Searching will prove that they exist, but on the other hand, their current explanations only come off as bashing Wuthering Waves more in order to praise Genshin Impact. I think we can keep at least some of them but either trim down the bashing or rewrite them to be more neutral, especially because some memes (like "Genshin Symbiosis") are shared between the two fandoms despite the rivalry because they find it hilarious enough.
The other edit that GRD made in YMMV.Wuthering Waves is adding and crosswicking a Fandom Rivalry entry with Tower of Fantasy, which is mostly okay (because it's true that there's also a rivalry between the two games), but again, it also mentions Genshin at the end.
At first, I would've just wanted to fix the formatting or grammar, but the way GRD currently wrote them came off as very negative. I would've also either PM'd GRD or took the examples to the Memes cleanup thread
first, but looking at the ATT, several posts were already about GRD, such as making other questionable MemeticMutation additions
, Memes about Content Leaks
, or duplicating the Memes
of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance.
Second, memes that revolve around Fandom Rivalry aren't exclusive to a specific troper like GRD or games like Wuthering Waves and Genshin Impact. If you look at Memes.Honkai Star Rail, for example, the "Genshin could never" meme talks about a Fandom Rivalry between Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail because the latter received many QoL features that fans of the former have been wishing. However, the meme's explanation itself also says both fandoms have grown sick of the joke.
Looking at the edit history
, it was added by Atmos Blitzer and edited by Skye Ride 001.
I don't know if adding that is okay even if it doesn't sound like bashing the game, as the header or note in Memes.Honkai Star Rail says "Fandom drama on any social media platform, as it's considered drama importation." isn't allowed...
Also, just like what I said in the Wuthering Waves part above, the "Genshin Could Never" meme is indeed being used and a simple search on the Internet proves it.
Third, Memes.Genshin Impact already had several Memes about Fandom Rivalry too, which again, mention Honkai: Star Rail and Wuthering Waves.
- Your feedback will be used to improve Honkai: Star Rail instead ExplanationStar Rail seems to have corrected most of Genshin's shortcomings. The Trailblazer has meaningful alternate dialogue options, and possesses a meta-defining Harmony kit. Trailblaze Power (the Resin equivalent) has a higher cap (240), faster recharge (1 per 6 minutes) and an automatic overcap mechanic (Reserve Trailblaze Power) instead of being wasted if it hits the cap. The free Battle Pass grants an item that guarantees the main stat of a Relic (Artifact equivalents). There are three endgame modes: Forgotten Hall (standard Spiral Abyss equivalent), Simulated Universe (roguelike) and Pure Fiction (multi-target Spiral Abyss equivalent)— the last of which salvages multi-target characters who were left out in an anti-boss endgame meta. The reward for 300 standard banner pulls is a free standard banner 5★ unit of the player's choice. Celebratory rewards are also far more generous, including a free and powerful limited 5★ unit (Dr. Ratio) for all players in celebration of Star Rail winning multiple awards in 2023. While many of these can be attributed to Star Rail being a new game on a clean slate, players wonder why corresponding quality-of-life, endgame and reward improvements don't seem to be coming to Genshin.
- Genshin could never ExplanationA related meme that began spreading like wildfire after the announcement of a free Dr. Ratio during Star Rail's 1.6 special program. Many Star Rail and former Genshin players gloats at how Genshin could never do what Star Rail does better. However, it also depends on who should respond to as it can piss off Genshin players and some Star Rail players who is still playing Genshin of which they are many.
- Genshin could never... launch a game in this stateExplanationIn addition to the Star Rail fanbase, the Wuthering Waves fandom also frequently used that phrase to generate hype for their game as a "Genshin killer" that was superior combat, endgame and more generous developers. However, Wuthering Waves' release on the 23rd of May, 2024 was riddled with controversy. The game was clearly not ready for release due to its numerous glitches, bugs, performance issues and hilariously bad localisation. The "Genshin killer"'s flop caused many players to reflect back on Genshin's extremely smooth and almost bug-less launch back in 2020, with "Genshin could never" being repurposed to praise Genshin instead.
- Genshin is the stepchild of Mihoyo's games ExplanationStar Rail improving on the standard set by Genshin on top of generous free rewards such as the aforementioned free Dr. Ratio has caused some players to make this joke/comment about the differences in management of both games.
- Genshin finally could ExplanationThe Version 4.7 Developer's Discussion announced a surprise increase of the Original Resin cap to 200, which finally allows players to log in and consume Resin once a day without risking an overcap. Next, the Version 4.7 livestream formally revealed Imaginarium Theater, the first new permanent endgame activity since launch. Combined with the unoptimized launch of Wuthering Waves in the same time period, players cheered how Genshin was finally stepping up on gameplay improvements and showing its polish relative to competitors.
- Genshin could never ExplanationA related meme that began spreading like wildfire after the announcement of a free Dr. Ratio during Star Rail's 1.6 special program. Many Star Rail and former Genshin players gloats at how Genshin could never do what Star Rail does better. However, it also depends on who should respond to as it can piss off Genshin players and some Star Rail players who is still playing Genshin of which they are many.
- The World of Warcraft of gacha games / Genshin wins by doing absolutely nothingExplanationBeing by far the most prominent gacha game and considered the representative of the genre, frequent memes have popped up comparing Genshin's influence to that of WoW, deservedly so. Likewise, memes also emerged comparing "Genshin killers" to "WoW killers" due to the many open world action RPG gacha games that attempted to challenge Genshin, all predictably failing. The most famous being that of Tower of Fantasy and Wuthering Waves, both releasing with numerous bugs and unstable performance, the former having already fallen into obscurity as of 2024 and the latter being additionally criticised for its writing, localisation problems and monotonous dubbing.
- Genshin killer? No. Genshin symbiosis? Yes.ExplanationBecause of how unoptimised Wuthering Waves was, players from the CN region started to shitpost that the only way to properly optimise WuWa was to use Genshin's cache cleaner to run in the background to properly play the game. The whole idea of using your rival's far more optimised cache cleaner in order to run your game properly was so absurd - like some sort of bizarre software symbiosis - that both the Genshin and WuWa communities found it to be absolutely hilarious in all the wrong ways. It has to be seen to be believed.
- Genshin killer? No. Genshin symbiosis? Yes.ExplanationBecause of how unoptimised Wuthering Waves was, players from the CN region started to shitpost that the only way to properly optimise WuWa was to use Genshin's cache cleaner to run in the background to properly play the game. The whole idea of using your rival's far more optimised cache cleaner in order to run your game properly was so absurd - like some sort of bizarre software symbiosis - that both the Genshin and WuWa communities found it to be absolutely hilarious in all the wrong ways. It has to be seen to be believed.
Like the Star Rail memes page, Memes.Genshin Impact also has a note saying that it disallows Fandom Drama.
At this rate, I'm also inclined to know what the editors of the Memes.Genshin Impact and Memes.Honkai Star Rail pages count as "Fandom Drama". I mean, why bother putting a notice like that on a Memes subpage only to later add and crosswick Memes about Fandom Rivalry?
Edited by DanteVinresolved Receiving random PMs from "different" users who actually seem to be the same person
I have been receiving strange PMs from users in recent months asking incredibly nitpick-y things about posts I make on the forums, that I have come to believe is actually just one person using a bunch of sockpuppets. They always ask similar, inane questions; use the same kind of wording; and always claim that, quote, "myself and others" are "confused" or "have questions" about something I said on the forums. It's too similar and consistent for me to believe this just happens to be random users who type exactly the same, ask the same kinds of questions, and claim that "others" were wondering.
The "users" who have messaged me include: Master Waldon, Speed Gamer, and varazthemage. All of them have been new accounts with no edits to their name.
I'm just curious if anyone else has been having this issue and if there's anything to be done about it if so. Thanks!
resolved User with problematic wonk over vtuber drama, and especially complaining about Nijisanji
As pointed out just earlier today
, there was a random entry
on VestigialEmpire/RealLife added a month ago by the troper WM-R that was just an extensive rant against Nijisanji, discussing all the backstage/corporate drama about the company and the handling of its talents. Because this was such blatant misuse I went to check and see if the original writer has demonstrated similar behavior in other pages, and it appears this does seem to be a pattern, especially within the last month:
- Multi-bullet-point rants about Nijisanji and Brave Group Incorporated in Abusive Workplace to discuss their real-life business controversies, in violation of the "real life examples must be at least 5 years old" rule (which frankly, that still sounds too generous for that trope).
- They also added
Abusive Workplace onto the Nijisanji page itself.
- EDIT: It has also been pointed out that WM-R originally came up with and launched the trope earlier this year
. It appears that they never actually had a consensus on whether the trope counted for "no recent examples" and "no real life examples" despite there being concerns about both, and after the page went live, they added in various "sneak-edits" of further documenting vtuber company drama with "do not make public until 5 years from now" notices
, so it doesn't even sound like they were even respecting their own rule.
- They also added
- Adding in many entries about vtuber graduations/identity changes
to Open Secret, most of which were removed as per consensus in the respective cleanup thread
as being in violation of real-life troping, only for them to partly add back in some content
without consulting the thread on the matter (despite them participating in it earlier
).
- Making excessive additions to Pop-Culture Isolation discussing Nijisanji, with very pointed focus on blaming the company for "enforcing" isolation because of its bad practices, while adding in a seemingly irrelevant paragraph about how hololive "avoids" it.
- Making an entry about the Hololive vs. Nijisanji rivalry in Quantity vs. Quality. While technically not an incorrect use of the trope as far as I can tell, it still reads as unnecessary and is reflective of a lot of the OP's anti-Nijisanji rhetoric.
- A lot of various entries
on Culture Clash ranting more about Nijisanji's business practices and how badly they mishandled one particular vtuber in specific, admitted at the very start to be largely speculative ("It's strongly suspected that...") with only minor focus on them being a result of actual cultural divides.
- A lot of entries on YMMV/Nijisanji about its various workplace allegations and controversies, most of which are written to skirt around YMMV guidelines, including inappropriate uses of Never Live It Down (which were since taken down as per cleanup thread
in violation of "no recent examples")
- They added most vtuber entries
onto Unperson/RealLife since February. While technically not incorrect usage, some of these entries are really freaking long and go into a lot of personal detail and speculation (talking about how one person crying as a result of a genmate being retired, or how fans got angry of a vtuber being retired, are completely unnecessary to the point), and the Nijisanji entries naturally read as very biased and trying to emphasize as being "drama".
- Also just in general violating a lot of real-life troping rules that would be insensitive even if it wasn't a vtuber (none of the tropes in question warrant focus on someone's suicide attempt, especially since it's never been actually confirmed and just sounds like gossip, in addition to being weirdly invasive).
I know we have a dedicated vtuber cleanup thread, but this user in particular has added such bad juju regarding vtuber drama across the wiki; can something be done about this?
Edited by number9roboticopenSEED Freedom edit war (repeat offender)
driller is once again
edit warring under YMMV.Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Freedom.
- Esoteric Happy Ending: Foundation has been defeated and completely neutralized as a threat, hooray! Except multiple nukes were dropped across Eurasian territories, Requiem was allowed to cut multiple bloody swaths across multiple countries unimpeded, multiple riots were instigated, Many sympathizers jumped at the idea of Coordinator supremacy (although it's very likely they were already under Foundation's payroll), and hundreds of thousands are dead as a result, with the only other bright spot being that Blue Cosmos might have been finally eradicated alongside their leader Michael (which hems on if that was their last bastion or not), which could mean they're no longer able to continue their horrific attacks in the aftermath.
They added this, Lone Courier 0 removed citing "It's acknowledged to be a bittersweet ending and not a truly happy one, so it feels unnecessary to add." (Which I agree with and took to cleanup, but got no feedback on.) driller added it back under its new name without edit reason.
- Allegedly Optimistic Ending: The Accords have been defeated, Foundation's ambitions have been halted, and everyone is happy with their respective partners. Clearly everything ended perfectly... Except Thousands, if not millions, are dead as a result of multiple nukes being launched and Requiem sweeping through different countries, relationships between Coordinators and Naturals are still shown to be heavily skewed, and the novel reveals that Blue Cosmos STILL hasn't been eliminated and continues to make terrorist attacks. Arguably the events of the movie have left Cosmic Era is a far worse state than it has ever been in up to this point.
Omega Nemesis 13 defeated it citing "Stop trying to add this, just worried with a different trope. It can't be alleged if the story itself acknowledges these things."
driller still edit warring, along with their other suspect edits. Should something more be done?
resolved Poorly explained removal of Anti-Climax Boss from YMMV.Luigi's Mansion 3 Videogame
On Jan 18, 2020
, CookingCat added an example of King Boo to Luigi's Mansion 3 as an Anti-Climax Boss. They described the final boss as lackluster, having an unimpressive stage and moveset, and suffering from Fake Difficulty:
- Anti-Climax Boss: King Boo. The fight itself feels very lackluster compared to his fights in the original Luigi's Mansion and Dark Moon, and especially compared to the Boss Ghosts guarding the other character portraits, simply taking place on the roof of the hotel and having a very mediocre moveset, which especially hurts considering his presence in the early game. It doesn't help that the fight is known for it's clunkiness, Fake Difficulty and lack of polish compared to many of the others before it, especially the difficulty of launching the bombs in his mouth due to the targeting being off, the strange perspective and short period of vulnerability before he begins attacking again, and the final phase of the fight is timed, which, combined with the long length of his attacks and aforementioned short period of vulnerability, makes it easy to lose via the time running out before you even get a chance to attack him.
On Apr 1, 2020
, it was removed without any edit reason by Cman053. I was unaware of this prior edit history or CookingCat's original example.
A little more than a year later on Apr 20, 2021
, after having just finished the game myself, I re-added King Boo as an Anti-Climax Boss. While I never saw CookingCat's writeup, my own writeup incidentally echoed several of their criticisms, such as King Boo feeling lackluster in comparison to his previous fights in the series as well as earlier bosses within the same game; the fight's main "challenge" coming from trying to awkwardly aim a projectile; and spending much of the battle waiting for the boss to cycle through long attack patterns until he finally becomes vulnerable again. I also added the fact that it's a "Feed It a Bomb Three Times" boss battle that is an incredibly generic Nintendo boss formula not fitting a final boss, and the lack of a unique Game Over should the time limit run out (unlike, say, Metroid Dread) making it feel all the more anticlimactic in presentation:
- Anti-Climax Boss: After the challenging and puzzling but fairly enjoyable Hellen Gravely penultimate boss fight immediately beforehand, King Boo makes for a somewhat disappointing Final Boss. It's a fairly straightforward "Feed It a Bomb Three Times" boss battle that is more frustrating than challenging, stemming from the difficulty in aiming the bomb in King Boo's mouth. Even with King Boo spawning decoys and introducing harder attack patterns in each stage, it still ends up feeling repetitive as you're just waiting for King Boo to perform the same attacks until bombs spawn; unlike Dark Moon, there are no chase sequences to break up the battle and spice things up. Not even the time limit is enough to make it feel climactic, since there's no Non-Standard Game Over for letting time run out.
Additionally, King Boo was previously listed as an example of That One Boss by Drope. Since final bosses are exempt from That One Boss status and the example focused more on King Boo being frustrating and annoying instead of difficult, I moved that example to Goddamned Boss instead. It's still listed there as of now.
On Nov 17, 2023
, Fireball246 removed King Boo's Anti-Climax Boss example with the following edit reason: "Ignoring the fact that I’ve seen plenty of people who really liked the fight against King Boo in this game, a lot of these point feel like petty criticisms of being bad at the game rather than the boss itself being “poorly designed” or anything. This all comes across as extremely subjective and definitely doesn’t deserve to be officially labeled as an Anti-Climax Boss." But this edit reason doesn't make sense?
- "Ignoring the fact that I’ve seen plenty of people who really liked the fight against King Boo in this game..." With a quick Google search, I've also seen plenty of people who really disliked the fight. The fact that King Boo was previously listed as an Anti-Climax Boss by another editor, is currently listed as a Goddamned Boss (previously That One Boss), and isn't listed among the Best Boss Ever entries on the same YMMV page shows that other TV Tropes editors feel the same about this boss.
- "...a lot of these point feel like petty criticisms of being bad at the game..." I'm definitely not a "pro gamer", but I beat King Boo on my first try with plenty of health and time left. My criticisms of the boss have nothing to do with supposedly "being bad at the game". If anything, I thought the boss was too easy if you strip away the janky aiming and the long waiting periods (both of which are criticized by other players), which adds to the boss being anticlimactic.
- "...rather than the boss itself being “poorly designed” or anything..." Again, the example focuses on King Boo being generic, repetitive, and full of waiting instead of being unique, exciting, and challenging. These are criticisms of the boss design itself, not the player's skill level.
- "This all comes across as extremely subjective..." This is YMMV, of course it's subjective. As long as it isn't a minority opinion or just flat-out factually incorrect, it's fair game.
I sent Fireball246 a "deleting YMMV" notifier on Friday, but although they've clearly been active on TV Tropes this weekend, they haven't responded or acknowledged the PM. Since I was the last one to add the Anti-Climax Boss example, I can't undo their removal (or re-add the example with greater emphasis on "anticlimax" rather than "frustrating") without edit warring. Please advise.
resolved (Danganronpa SPOILERS) Is this a misuse of DoomedByCanon?
This folder is from the prequel work's character page.
- Prequel: Danganronpa 3: The End of Hope's Peak High School: Despair Arc
- Present: Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc
I changed Doomed by Canon to Saved by Canon (the following character got killed in Trigger Happy Havoc, not the prequel anime), but then another troper re-added Doomed By Canon.
Mukuro Ikusaba
- Doomed by Canon: Junko kills her in Chapter 1 of Trigger Happy Havoc while she's masquerading as Junko herself.
- Saved by Canon: Since she's one of participants of the second killing game (while disguising as Junko), this is a given.
openExample Indentation problem in YMMv page
I found two examples in YMMV page for The Gifted (2014) where two example indentation is probably used wrongly.
- Alternate Character Interpretation:
- The Stinger regarding the nature of The Gifted novel in the end portrays Marco in in a negative light. The novel portrays the unhealthy rivalry of Aica and Zoe who are actually based on in-universe real life people. In the reveal, the audience learns that the two novel characters are based on two of Marco's former classmates, Maica and Joey who are actually Fire-Forged Friends and are not okay with Marco's portrayal of their fictional counterparts in their books and mugged him in the end for it. They basically claim that the novel is an actual product of Marco's insecurities and envy of the two's academic aptitude and the embarassing incident of Aica's soiling herself and Zoe's revenge on their theology teacher was actually Marco's experience.
- Alternatively Maica's and Zoe's view on Marco's reputation as a friendless outcast maybe an exaggeration as well. Nevertheless the epilogue's possible Aesop against excessive escapism still stands.
- The Stinger regarding the nature of The Gifted novel in the end portrays Marco in in a negative light. The novel portrays the unhealthy rivalry of Aica and Zoe who are actually based on in-universe real life people. In the reveal, the audience learns that the two novel characters are based on two of Marco's former classmates, Maica and Joey who are actually Fire-Forged Friends and are not okay with Marco's portrayal of their fictional counterparts in their books and mugged him in the end for it. They basically claim that the novel is an actual product of Marco's insecurities and envy of the two's academic aptitude and the embarassing incident of Aica's soiling herself and Zoe's revenge on their theology teacher was actually Marco's experience.
- Broken Aesop
- Films and television series who features conventionally unattractive leads often implies a premise that Appearance Is in the Eye of the Beholder. However like in most films, the leads underwent cosmetic surgery. This was subverted in the ending where it was revealed that the events of the film is a loose adaptation of real events by The Gifted author Marco. Maica and Joey criticized Marco's book for making their fictional counterparts undergo surgery and insists they are contented with their appearances. They chastised the book as a escapist Fanservice meant to cater to men.
- However films such as The Gifted also heavily relies to the female demographic with Sam Milby as its male lead. Depending on your point of view the feminist message in the epilogue might not hold water..
- Films and television series who features conventionally unattractive leads often implies a premise that Appearance Is in the Eye of the Beholder. However like in most films, the leads underwent cosmetic surgery. This was subverted in the ending where it was revealed that the events of the film is a loose adaptation of real events by The Gifted author Marco. Maica and Joey criticized Marco's book for making their fictional counterparts undergo surgery and insists they are contented with their appearances. They chastised the book as a escapist Fanservice meant to cater to men.
How do I fix it?

https://hate-sink.fandom.com/wiki/Patrick_Star_(Paka)
This is Patrick Star, from Paka's Dark SpongeBob Parodies. It's more than obvious he's a Hate Sinknote , since the series itself presents him as an irredeemable and dislikable, violent and cold asshole who wants nothing more than to kill SpongeBob and Junior (a baby clam, btw) at all costs (and he also basically represents the abusive husband in a toxic relationship when the sponge took the clam to his house, doubling his hatable points), whether is by killing people, threatening them at gunpoint, and -spoilers if you didn't see the animatics- making SpongeBob digs his own grave in a graveyard while having Junior in a cage.
Yet even with all this hatable and unsympathetic traits, he also has some Evil Is Cool moments when he kills an entire gang all by himself, all of the things he does to get to Sponge and Junior actually shows him how much of a clever and manipulative son of a bitch he is that accompanies his brutality (and this is Patrick, by the way), and, after the events of Part 2, he's shown to have the regenerative and cloning powers like his The Bikini Bottom Horror counterpart, which he uses to beat the crap out of and kidnap Mr. Krabs and asphyxiate Bubble Bass by making him gulp one of his parts by force, killing him and latter making a clone of himself be created, also Paka does a really good job at voicing him.
Apparently, I also saw that Hate Sinks can indeed also be "Love to Hate" characters, so he may also count.
Also sorry for all this Wall of Text.
Edited by UzarNaimBer15