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resolved Massive unilateral changes to two UsefulNotes pages
Troper/Renangtry has gone and rewritten vast chunks of UsefulNotes.Aboriginal Australians and UsefulNotes.First Australians to 'address racism and inaccurate information'. Now, while I don't disagree that both pages were due a clean-up (and indeed some of the information provided is new), and I also agree that the best place to learn about Australia's First Nations is from sources with First Nations input, they've not only basically rewritten two pages unilaterally, they've also gone and deleted quite a bit of historical information (mainly regarding the historical treatment of Aboriginal Australians by colonists as well as the various colonial governments) in the process. Furthermore, the fact that they've only got a grand total of 4 edits made over the span of a single day on both pages is suspect in of itself. What would be the best solution here?
resolved Requesting list cuts on Survival Horror
Hello,
The Survival Horror description is lots of words yet little and contradictory content. This is generally not a problem for me because I can get definitions for survival horror off-site, but then there are four lists on the page that create extra confusion. I was wondering if I could get permission here to cut out some entries and move others.
I would like permission to delete the entire list except for the following entries that I believe to be specific (enough) to survival horror:
- Ammunition Conservation
- Apocalyptic Log
- Booby Trap
- Closed Circle
- Controllable Helplessness
- Cower Power
- Drought Level of Doom
- Early Game Hell
- Emergency Weapon
- Injured Self-Drag
- Inventory Management Puzzle
- Resources Management Gameplay
- Stealth-Based Mission
- Story Bread Crumbs
- Tank Controls
Obviously more can be kept, but I believe that the list as is serves no purpose.
Others on the list are as curious to me as some entries on in the survival horror list proper. Batman: Arkham Asylum is a Beat 'em Up and most of the description is how Batman is the horror that the mooks need to survive. This has nothing to do with survival horror as a theme-gameplay hybrid genre. Subnautica and The Stomping Land are survival games with a horror element, but they're not survival horror. Is Tomb Raider on the list because of Atlantis? True, creepy level, but that alone doesn't even make it action horror. And with Homeworld: Cataclysm, Total War: Attila, and XCOM, the horror element is doubtful and otherwise they're just strategy games. Can these at least be removed?
openCheck TLP Votes?
I could have sworn there used to be an option to view who voted which way in a TLP draft, but for the life of me I cannot find the button to do so. I suspect a couple of self-hatters, but I can't tell for sure.
openJoke CM/MB Just For Fun questions
JustForFun.Joke Complete Monster and JustForFun.Joke Magnificent Bastard were just created. Given the current freeze on actual CM/MB entries I want to double-check if this is valid. The mod statement
on the matter said joke threads are not an issue, but this seems like a new thread created in response to the freeze which they said is not allowed, so unsure what to make of it.
From the Joke CM page:
- Pokémon Black and White: [[StrawHypocrite Ghetsis Harmonia Gropius]] is the true mastermind behind [[AnimalWrongsGroup Team Plasma]], and the man manipulating the "king" of the team, his son [[AntiVillain N]]. [[InsistentTerminology As we see on screen]], Ghetsis subjected his son N to various cruel forms of abuse as a child to mold him into a misanthrope who thinks that all Pokémon trainers are evil. Meanwhile, [[ImpliedTrope we have on-screen evidence]] that Ghetsis also abuses his own Pokémon and that they have no love for him. In the sequel ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'', after Team Plasma split apart, Ghetsis hatched a new scheme: he subjected Opelucid City to the [[{{Pun}} frigid]] [[FridgeHorror horror]] of being encaced in ice, [[InsistentTerminology as we see on screen]]. Motivated only by his own selfish desire to TakeOverTheWorld, Ghetsis is one of the most heinous villains to ever [[InsistentTerminology have their crimes depicted on-screen]] in the ''Pokémon'' games.
Not sure if this is a valid joke entry as this is a character many want to be a serious CM and the parts that show it a joke are hidden in potholes and even then not apparent to anyone unfamiliar with our CM rules. Or is that not an issue for a Just For Fun page?
openAudience Alienating Premise Literature cleanup
Under Audience-Alienating Premise, I noticed much under the Literature folder lacks the required objective proof of audiences alienation. It's going to be a big enough removal I'm getting feedback here first.
Literature can self publish and doesn't have the sales criteria that are normal proof of audience alienation. So I ask if it is possible to judge if literature applies?
Many of them use as proof they haven't been adapted, that seems like tedious proof (many even well received work don't get adapted), does that count?
resolved Ultra Series - Found an eyebrow-raising YMMV post Live Action TV
The post in question goes like this here
:
- What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?: Some have criticized the franchise for supposedly having nationalistic anti-foreign sentiments, seeing the Japanese defense teams defending against various alien threats as paralleling Japan pushing away foreigners and foreign influence. Many point to the second episode of the original Ultraman as an example, where the Baltan aliens were fleeing refugees after they blew up their own planet.note Ignoring the fact that they were planning to enslave humanity and take the planet by force, and Science Patrol actually okayed the idea of the Baltans living on the planet so long as they abided Earth's laws (which the aliens refused). This is ignoring the many times that aliens were shown sympathetically (even as tragic victims of allegorical racismnote such as in episode 33 of Return of Ultraman, episode 25 of Ultraman Max, and many episodes of Ultraseven) and the main heroes, the Ultramen, are well... aliens. The Science Patrol is also shown to be an international organisation, the series just focuses on the Japanese branch.
The post ends up contradicting itself. Should it stay or be removed?
Edited by 9thOutworldsManopenCM/Tragic Hero crossover, misuse?
I saw these approved Complete Monsters under Tragic Hero. I know they're disqualified from Tragic Villain as evil beyond having the remorse or sympathy required, and Griffith had his Tragic Hero entry cut over this (but it could have been over how selfish/ruthless he was even before is full fall to villainy). The entries in question.
- Wish: King Magnifico is a powerful king who once genuinely wanted to keep people safe and happy from the cruel reality and is beloved by all his subjects. But his narcissism and paranoia consume him to the point he's willing to do anything to remain in control over his kingdom including alienating his beloved wife and dabbling into forbidden magic. His flaws eventually turn him into a megalomaniacal tyrant and a classic Disney villain Hated by All. A decent amount of the backlash against the movie is that it failed to portray him as sympathetically as they wanted given his nuance, so this seems misuse as unintentional. This overlaps with Fallen Hero so can be moved.
- Emperor Belos from The Owl House serves as an example. Belos' obsession with being a hero and bigotry leads to his downfall and destruction. He was the supreme ruler of the Boiling Isles for over 50 years and beloved by nearly everyone, a fantasy dream come true for any typical power-hungry despot. However, he was willing to throw that away in favor of fame as Witch Hunter General, a fringe position that doesn't exist anymore in the Human Realm. He truly had everything he ever wanted in the Boiling Isles yet was too blind to see it because of his racist, ignorant views. His refusal to see reality ultimately leads him to die in the Boiling Isles rather than his hometown of Gravesfield, Hated by All in the Demon Realm and completely forgotten in the Human Realm. His achieving supreme rulership was only ever intended as a means to enact genocide, so misuse as written.
- Characters.The Owl House Emperor Belos: The show alludes Belos' character to Macbeth for a reason. Belos' obsession with being a hero and bigotry leads to his downfall and destruction. He murders Caleb in a fit of rage, and then spend four centuries trying to make up for the sin by eliminating all "evil" witches. Despite becoming a beloved leader of the witches, Belos' obsession to become a hero of humans drives him to betray his loyal followers. By the end of the series, he loses everything and dies unmourned in the Boiling Isles, and forgotten in the Human Realm. The Macbeth allusions show it's somewhat intended, and his original goal to save Caleb was heroic despite his period-appropriate prejudice only to very badly fall. He is, or was, nuanced despite how utterly vile he became. I'd say he's a Deconstructed Character Archetype of it as he seemingly fits the archetype, but twists it by his tragic/few humanizing aspects being twisted/driving him far past the point he loses all the sympathy associated and even the notion of being heroic has decayed to pure self-delusion.
They're tragic figures, but not sympathetic ones, a distinction Tragic Villain is misleading on given the name. Does that also apply to Tragic Hero as well? Thoughts on my proposed fixes for them?
openLarge removal of 'Unintentionally Sympathetic/Unsympathetic from YMMV/ShatteredSkiesTheMorningLights
Flare up from a bit ago that seems like a problematic edit.
By user Rbookchild
, it basically nuked the unintentionally sympathetic and unsympathetic sections because they disagreed with them. Which I am certainly aware does happen, but its also 'Your Mileage May Vary' and I've seen sentiments of that nature shared about the fic both in how many people edited or added to those sections here or commented elsewhere on the matter, so there are people with this opinion out there. Seems like a pretty clear case, and honestly I wouldn't hesitate to put it back myself and send a PM to Rbook on the matter, and I did send a PM a month ago that never got responded to, but I had previously edited the section twice. I neither created it or was the last one to edit it, and one of the edits was a general clean-up on the page that was previously unalphabetized, but I don't know if that would count as an edit war or not due to those edits, hence bringing it up here to avoid any issues.
resolved Replacing page image you put there yourself
Good day.
I was wondering: If you want to replace the page image of a page you launched that still has the page image you picked pre-launch, do you still have to start an Image Pickin' threat for it?
openPage move request Literature
I've been thinking that the page for the Black Lagoon book series should be moved to The Black Lagoon which seems to be its official name, and it would help avoid confusion with the Black Lagoon anime. Is this something I can do myself or do I need permission from a mod first?
Edited by Javertshark13resolved Pre-show Debut Western Animation
What's the name for the Trope where a character first appears in some type of promotional picture or merchandise before their actual debut in the show itself?
resolved Misinformed trope question?
Found and discovered this one year earlier from John Wick franchise's trope example and something that I want to point out from my experience:
- Men Are the Expendable Gender: Prevalent in the first three movies. In contrast to the 250+ men that John killed throughout the series, the number of female Mooks he has encountered could be literally counted on one hand: Ms. Perkins in the first film, Ares and the Violinist in the second, and the young assassin at Grand Central Station in the third. Of these characters, only the Grand Central assassin was a completely throwaway extra. John Wick: Chapter 4 tipped the balance and added many more female Mooks to go after John (and be gunned down in turn).
I think the Men Are the Expendable Gender trope itself being added as an example is fine but still as mentioned above I believe the balance isn't exactly been "tipped" within Chapter 4. I would like to rewrite it in someway or form, unfortunately I'm just simply not good with writing. I know there is a place called "Is This An Example" thread and should have visited that said thread myself but I'm not exactly sure when was the right time to ask this topic, so I honestly thought it would be better to ask here instead. I don't meant anything "bad" by it, I simply found this writing of "John Wick: Chapter 4 tipped the balance and added many more female Mooks to go after John (and be gunned down in turn)" part specifically questionable as well as pointing out the facts straight. Anyhow I want to hear another person's thoughts or opinion on this matter in regards to the Men Are the Expendable Gender trope?
Side note: I apologize in advance if I am wrong, or rather if this trope question being too trivial as this for a topic?
Edited by YatasumujiSenpairesolved Question regarding Self Demonstrating Character Pages
Are there any rules I should know of before I start creating a Self Demonstrating Character Page from scratch?
Edited by Pikmin404openInconsistency in trope description of TheVoiceless
I just noticed that the trope description of The Voiceless contradicts itself. It explicitly states that it's for characters who can speak, but for some reason don't, at least not on-stage. But then it contains this paragraph:
"Sometimes The Voiceless is The Team Pet, who is no doubt smarter than his masters, but can only communicate through normal animal noises and perhaps the occasional sardonic eye roll or other body language."
By that description, the team pet is The Speechless (a character who can't speak) and not The Voiceless.
At first, I was going to bring it to the Trope Description Improvement Drive, but the pinned post there, which lists the thread's purpose, didn't mention correcting contradictions (it seems to be more about improving writing and adding clarity). Should I bring it there anyway? Or can we build consensus here? I don't think it's a case for TRS since I'm not proposing a change of the actual trope definition.
Edited by GnomeTitanopenStrengthSorceryFinesse is limited to exactly three classes?
In Strength, Sorcery, Finesse, there is this hidden note.
"If your example has four or more types of character classes, than it belongs in either Common Character Classes or Character Class System."
But the trope description itself has full elaborate section about hybrid classes, which suggest that four or more classes would be fine.
So I think either the hidden note or the hybrid section should be remove.
(I adked in duscussion page already, and get the usual silence)
Edited by Kuruniresolved Alien: Romulus retcons Alien: Covenant? (Spoilers) Film
The page for Alien: Romulus says that it definitively retcons Ridley Scott's assertion that David-8 created the Xenomorphs in Alien: Covenant by revealing that the Xenomorphs contain the Engineers' black goo.
Fox has seen fit to largely ignore Ridley Scott's assertion that David created the Xenomorphs—at least in regards to the official TTRPG, which was written with the intent of integrating and streamlining all the "canon" material—but I'm not seeing anything in the film itself that contradicts what's shown in Alien: Covenant given that David very expressly used the Engineers' black goo to create the Xenomorphs shown there.
What should be done about those claims?
openUnsolicited DM regarding Complete Monster
So, I got a DM from someone(Finding Prosperity) I've never spoken to before regarding my activity in the Complete Monster thread.
They noted that I had upvoted Derek Danforth a few months ago, and used that as a segue to request I go out of my way to watch a musical to propose the villain from there on their behalf. They wouldn't even be forthcoming with the work's title or who the villain was, saying I'd need to figure it out for myself.
They have a whooping two edits in their account history and a single forum post from back in April. They provided no adequate reason they couldn't propose the villain themselves, which makes the whole thing even more suspicious. I know there's been past issues with ban evaders/suspendees D Ming users involved in the thread for various reasons, so I thought this merited reporting on the grounds of standing a good chance to be the same situation. At the very, they're trying to use me as a meat puppet
Edited by Bozzy

So I’m looking at this plot point of this show I used to be into called Every Witch Way with the fourth season.
To try to keep it short the fourth season has a storyline in which a Cosmic Retcon more or less decanonizes the first three, and heavily alters the lives of all the characters. This altered reality ultimately becomes the new "canon" timeline in the final season, with the first three being Exiled from Continuity. What I’m wondering is if this would be a case of Alternate Timeline or Alternate Universe, since it’s a case of the show’s universe rewriting the characters lives and practically erasing the first three seasons.
For reference the entry I was planning to make would look like this. I just need to know what trope it fits better with.