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resolved Team Fortress 2 characters edit
On the tf2 npcs page the trope Entertainingly Wrong was changed from
to
With the reasoning "Natter, also disputes canon." Firstly the new text is longer and makes what I feel is pointless use of footnotes, but also I fail to see how it disputes canon; Miss Pauling is canonically a lesbian, and when Scout (who was also staring for the 'weird to see naked people in honey' reason) tries to pull her away she says with a slightly awestruck expression
"You go ahead. I'll catch up," which I feel pretty decisively implies that she was Eating the Eye Candy.
So just wanted to check with the chorus before editing it back.
Edited by Biggbyresolved Unilateral subpage description changes
So back in March of 2021, it looks like user Fishious Rend changed the descriptions of all the subpages of {Tsundere} over the course of about 15 minutes. All of the changes were from simple explanations like
I cannot find any discussion on this. Should these be reverted?
Edit: Links to the edits:
Live Action TV
Tabletop Games
(I did revert this one when I saw it, before I realize this was on all the pages, and I do apologize if I shouldn't have)
openBig Bad Abuse
So I've found some trope abuse on King Goobot's entry on the The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron characters page.
- Big Bad: The biggest one of the series. He is the main antagonist in the movie and two hour long episodes. Not to mention the main antagonist in the series' pilot and most recurring villain besides Calamitous.
King Goobot is only the Big Bad of the movie Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius. In the series itself, he only appears in two episodes and doesn't quite match the influence and impact compared to Professor Calamitous (who is the Big Bad of the series). He has the same amount of appearances as most villains in the series and being the main antagonist of two episodes isn't enough to be a Big Bad of a series. Also, the series' pilot is the movie so that info bit is redundant and repetitive.
So I motioned that Big Bad entry be trimmed to his role as the main antagonist of the movie.
Edited by DukePresleyresolved Edit war on Characters/MCUWandaMaximoff
A new troper liberty3
removed the following entry
:
- Womanchild: Despite being in her late twenties/early thirties, Wanda acts much like a teenage girl in most of her appearances. She's often seen brooding or is otherwise antisocial in most situations, and she watches old sitcoms like she did as a child to comfort herself in her lowest moments. Justified, given how Wanda hasn't exactly lived what one would call a normal or happy life.
I am not the one who added it in the first place, but I restored it since I believe it is perfectly fine. They removed it again. I sent a message to them and received no reply.
The trope is lampshaded in Captain America: Civil War. Steve Rogers calls her a "kid"
and she is 27 there (born in 1989, the film is set in 2016). And she dresses and behaves like a teen, too.
What should be done about it?
Edited by AsherinkaopenAmerican / British Spelling
If a user creates a work page and uses British conventions (dd-mm-yyyy date format and British spellings) on a first come, first served basis (as noted here
), why some users try to fix it to American conventions (mm-dd-yyyy and American spellings)?
The date format topic itself was already mentioned here in this thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16448794840A29114500&page=1
resolved April 1st joke
Good day.
I had an idea for an April 1st joke where I would add a folder for a meme-"character" to the character page of The Stormlight Archive with tropes written in a way to play into that meme. I would have it stick around throughout March 31st (GMT) to the morning of April 2nd to ensure anyone could stumble upon it (and maybe even add to the joke for themself), no matter what time zone they live in.
But before I prepare it, I would like to ask whether something like that is even allowed.
Thank you and have a nice day.
resolved Troper continuing to be uncooperative/edit wars/downright rudeness
As mentioned in a previous ATT thread
, Slothed has a habit of complaining and doubling down on their complaints when called out on them, even being hostile towards me and other tropers (to the point that the ATT thread in question had to be locked). Today, I sent them a ROCEJ notifier for an edit
where they not only referred to multiple real-life content creators as if they were fictional characters, but calling them "toxic", "narcissistic", etc., which is quite a ROCEJ violation. Not only that, I reported
the page in question for being a ROCEJ nightmare (to which the other tropers on the thread largely agreed with me), and I even sent the other tropers who made similar edits on the page notifiers to show I wasn't singling anyone out.
Just now, Slothed has sent a reply not unlike the one they sent me for the previous notifier I sent weeks ago, in addition to doubling down on their edit again, they continued to be hostile towards me, saying that I'll "just accuse them of rudeness again", even though their edits and replies to notifiers certainly don't help matters.
And now they're edit warring
, accusing me of bias for deleting an edit of theirs
that was full of complaining (it began with "Notoriously and ridiculously used to extreme levels") and argues with itself (the other half of the edit began with "However, considering that...").
resolved Neglectful Precursor Trope Quesiton
I noticed that the trope description for Neglectful Precursors is formatted as a court trial. In addition, I also noticed that about 99% of the examples are also written as court cases. Does this trope actually require that examples be written that way? I wanted to ask because I couldn't find anything on the page itself indicating that.
resolved "Wasted" removal, valid?
Mariofan99 removed these from YMMV.Shadow Generations citing cleanup
and "Character cant be wasted if they never show up." But the cleanup said to cut the "Plot" examples, not the "Character" ones they also removed. The removals I have questions about.
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character:
- Even though Shadow is sent to Sunset Heights and Infinite is a major villain in that game who despises Shadow, Infinite makes no in-person appearance. Instead, Infinite is only shown and mentioned in the concept art and backstory logs within Shadow's Collection Room. My impression was that even a small reference to them means they're in the work enough to qualify as "Wasted". Does this not count as not an in-narrative ref (the Collection Room is fuzzy on if in-universe)?
- Mephiles, a villain heavily associated with time travel, being the Big Bad or at least a major antagonist in a game revolving around time travel would seem like a no-brainer, yet he plays no greater role in the plot outside of his boss fightnote it's at least implied he has something to do with the Corruption slime that Shadow needs Doom Morph to move around in, as it heavily resembles his shadow creep in both 06 and his boss fight here, but nothing concrete is ever said He does show up. So was he removed as the narrative never hinted he's have a bigger role in the story than just a boss fight? Would this be wasted "Plot" as unused narrative potential, or not as the plot of the boss fight was to stop him before he could become such a threat meaning it was used?
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot:
- While the game does a good job of representing Shadow's history in the series over the years (even going so far as to bring back Black Doom and Mephiles), there's a notable lack of a stage representation from Shadow's own game. Considering how much the remaster takes from Shadow the Hedgehog (such as bringing back Black Doom as the main antagonist), it's particularly jarring that the game doesn't get its own stage like Adventure 2 and Heroes do. It's even more jarring because Sonic '06 (which erased itself from existence), Sonic Forces (which takes place later in the timeline) and Sonic Frontiers (which doesn't feature Shadow at all) get returning stages, yet there's no stage from Shadow the Hedgehog despite there being a lot of creative and memorable onesnote For example, Digital Circuit and Mad Matrix, Circus Park, Sky Troops, G.U.N. Fortress, Lava Shelter and Cryptic Castle that could have easily fit the bill. Even the final battle against Devil Doom simply takes place in Radical Highway rather than somewhere like Black Comet, Final Haunt or The Last Way. Since the game is otherwise unashamed about the era Shadow the Hedgehog comes from, it comes across like it's still treated as a lesser entry. Get the criteria for "Characters" needing to be present/alluded to in-work, but what counts as setup for "Plot"? Is the Returning Big Bad and work being the sequel to Shadow not enough setup/allusion for the plots to be considered ignored? If not what is?
- A small point of contention for the story is that the future stages — the ones that take place after the events of Generations from Shadow's perspective — aren't really explored in detail. Shadow never questions what these places are, the only explanation given to their existence is an easily-missed Hand Wave from Gerald, and there's no cameos from those games to go along with them, with many citing Infinite's absence as an especially missed opportunity. Most of the game's stages don't really affect the plot much, but the future stages still give the impression that they were tacked on in comparison; it can't even be justified as representing the games that released between the original Generations and the re-release, as there's no stage for Sonic Lost World to go with them. Misuse because they do get mentions, so they aren't wasted just not used in the way fans wanted?
- Maria (and to a lesser extent, Gerald) never actually get to have any meaningful interactions with Shadow's friends that he's made. While it does make sense given the whole ordeal with the Time Eater's happening at the same time with Black Doom, and the game does try to Hand Wave this by Gerald not wanting to create a paradox, neither of them being able to at least introduce themselves to the likes of Rouge or E-123 Omega could've led to some interesting and heartwarming moments that the story never got the chance to explore. The absolute closest the game gets to featuring any characters interacting with Maria and Gerald is through the optional hub interactions, where Big reveals that he spent time with both of them for a little while, and Omega protecting them off-screen during the final battle. See above two questions.
- Some fans were disappointed that, while there's a cutscene showing Shadow's side of his boss fight with Sonic from the base game, there isn't an actual playable rematch from Shadow's perspective. Not even a simple flip of the original fight's mechanics. Seems like it was setting up a boss fight, only to pull the rug and make it happen in a cutscene. Or was this misuse as wasted "Gameplay", not "Plot"?
openPage source says an image was selected when there's none
The page source for Awesome.Devil May Cry has the following commented-out note on top:
%% Image selected per Image Pickin' thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1640963102083542200 %% Please see thread to discuss a new image. %%
I wonder why that says an image was "selected"... because when you look at the link
it provided, the image was actually pulled out by the Image Pickin' thread.
Now I don't know if either 1) the note should simply say the image was "removed", or if 2) there was indeed a replacement image approved somewhere by Image Pickin' but the reference link pasted in the page was the wrong one. I think the first option would be the easiest fix, but I don't know if I'm allowed to edit that note myself, or wait for a mod to do it instead because AFAIK, Image Pickin' notes on pages are added by mods.
resolved SnowPatrol = Similar_Set_6582?
Per this ATT thread
, the troper zombies4eva made a report trying to get another troper in trouble for "un-reverting ban evader edits", only for it to turn out that zombies4eva was ban evading themself. While their edits have been taken care of, one question remains. A troper by the name of Snow Patrol started the discussion post
that zombies4eva replied to and took to ATT, and seeing that zombies4eva was apparently ban evading with at least two other accounts around the same time,I was just wondering if Snow Patrol is another sock of theirs. Even if it isn't, Snow Patrol's discussion post is near-identical to the one that Similar Set made on Reddit
, meaning that they're engaging in drama importation/exportation, if nothing else. The fact that they've made no edits on this wiki and only seem to have made the account to add the discussion post only fuels the point.
As the mods have said, while there's nothing they can do about a Reddit (or any other website) user stirring up trouble on this wiki, they can do something if the person also has an account on TVT.
Edited by UFOYeahopenYMMV trope misuse question? Film
Recently someone added the Catharsis Factor regarding the 1990 American biographical crime film GoodFellas as seen here (click here)
, I'll cover it with spoilers just in case if anyone does not want to know the plot yet?
- Catharsis Factor: After a long time of bullying, sadism, murder and many other crimes, Tommy is unceremoniously executed during the trap that he believed to be his making ceremony.
I believe this is a misuse because Tommy was unexpectedly gets whacked from behind by an individual and he seems helpless to do anything to save himself. While I know and aware for sure that Tommy DeVito is a terrible (for the lack of a better term) villain himself and it seems like a textbook example of Tommy's well-deserved comeuppance but for some reason it doesn't feel very gratifying. I admit to not have much good reasons to defend Tommy or to protest against the YMMV trope in someway/or form but it somehow just does not felt right at all and I think this is probably an example of the Catharsis Factor has gone too far. In short, it just seems wrong to add Catharsis Factor on Tommy DeVito.
Side note: This is my personal opinion and I fully acknowledge that YMMV is an opinionated based trope page. And most if not all Catharsis Factor makes sense when it comes to Audience Reactions to the villains in fictional stories but still I think this seems worthy of attention. Any thoughts, suggestions and opinions on this?
Edited by YatasumujiSenpaiopenStrange wording for the Adaptational Nice Guy trope under Ranma Saotome Character folder
So, I checked out the Ranma ½: Ranma Saotome page and under the Adaptational Nice Guy section, the examples seemed to be showcase in a weird way. Like there's a lot of run on sentences and the examples seem to be all over the place. Here's what the entry says:
- Adaptational Nice Guy : Zigzagged. While the 89 anime cuts out most of his teasing to Akane, it also tends to add extra insults as filler, making Ranma rattle off whole lists of insults completely unprompted and doubling down on originally silly, short comments, so that it comes across like he genuinely means the insults he tosses Akane's way. The fact that the insults often come unprompted ironically makes Ranma look meaner in the end, despite there being less of them than in the manga.
- With the "you should learn to be half as sexy as I am" comment with the pictures Nabiki sold Kunō, the '89 anime adds a scene of him going "All I did was tell her the truth!" and later, "You're following me around hoping my good looks will rub off on you." This makes Ranma call Akane ugly on top of "unsexy" and imply he means it when he says Akane's ugly, completely contradicting how it's later implied the exact opposite (as he blushes watching Akane play sports right before denying she's cute, and then tries to talk himself out of it on the way home).
- In the filler episode "Pelvic Fortune Telling", Ranma rattles off an entire list of insults completely unprompted and even starts singing about it. Note that Ranma only lists off insults in the manga twice: when they barely knew each other and he was trying to convince Kunō he wasn't interested in Akane, and when he was trying to cure Akane's Shampoo-inflicted Laser-Guided Amnesia. The '89 anime has Ranma do this far more often.
Ranma: Akane... CONGRATULATIONS! You can't cook, you're not much of a looker — the one thing you do have is brute strength! Plus, you have got the biggest pair of hips in all of Japan! You're built like a brick... Your legs are too thick... You're singing the big hip blues...
resolved Image Caption Pickin'
Is the Image Pickin' thread the place to talk with other Tropers about adjusting the caption of a page image? Let me be clear; I'm not talking about changing a page image itself. That is very clearly what Image Pickin' is for. I'm talking about suggesting a change to a page image caption; while I'm quite sure that there's no policy against unilateral caption tweaking (and I've done so in the past — for instance, I was the one who added the caption
for the Mistaken for Racist article's page), in the instance I want to do right now, I think it is best to ask for community feedback before going ahead.
Specifically, what I want to do right now is add a note to the caption for the page image for That Came Out Wrong. The image and caption in question entail Leo of VG Cats being perceived as a weirdo for loitering around a school with the intention of "meeting kids" — with the caption being "He should have clarified that he wants to "meet" them on StreetPass." However, I had a bit of a Fridge Logic moment about this — most schools wouldn't want their students using a Nintendo 3DS for the same reasons they frown on cellphone usage (basically: it's a distraction from learning). So I felt like I should add a note to the caption to the effect of "It's not like a school would be the best place for StreetPassing anyways.", but I have a few reservations on whether or not this actually enhances the caption, so I figured I should ask for advice first.
Edited by Bomber-Boiresolved Should these be Creator or Useful Notes?
A few months back
, someone suggested moving Karl Marx from the Creator namespace to the Useful Notes namespace, arguing that his writings are not tropeworthy but the man himself makes enough appearances in media (as a Historical Domain Character) to warrant coverage on Useful Notes. I made a similar argument for Cicero.
There seemed be some support for a move, but I think I would like a greater consensus. In addition, I know how to change page type, but I'm not too sure what to do after that (aside from culling the trope lists).
resolved Self Demonstrating Character Pages
Do Self Demonstrating Character Pages require unanimous agreement to create or are they like Work pages and anyone can make one?
resolved Should FUSION FALLS: TAKE TWO! have a Surprisingly Realistic Outcome page?
Looking at the Fusion Falls Take Two page, it feels like this should be moved into some type of "deconstruction" label since it feels like a lot of these aren't immediate outcomes. For some examples
The fact that Equestria's royal guards have a history of being utterly useless, not even bothering to show up for major crises and letting the Mane Six handle it, is used by Sunset as an excuse to disband them in favor of human police who are actually trained to handle problems. Meanwhile, she also has to start seizing assets from the nobility and selling off the treasury to stabilize the economy until she can convert Equestria into a tourist destination, since it can now no longer support itself purely as an agricultural society when their magic-based agriculture no longer works.
Dee Dee's antics have much more serious consequences in a world without Toon Physics, ultimately resulting in her being arrested after causing a massive explosion that kills hundreds of people and causes millions in property damage, and then being institutionalized when she tries to laugh off her actions as joke.
And some examples feel more tied into the whole The Magic Goes Away deal.
Without magic to hold it at bay, the Wizarding World actually has to deal with the consequences of the extensive inbreeding that it relied on, causing many of them to die within a year of the Merge.
Without magic to maintain them, Storm King's fleet of airships are destroyed by the simple fact that keeping lava pools onboard wooden ships means that the latter will naturally be destroyed.
At the very least, the page probably needs a clean up.
Edited by JustaUsername

2 tropes:
1) What is it called when a character is willing to fight like hell for their loved ones, but won't fight for themselves.
2)What is it called when a character has no self preservation instinct (due to either being immortal or otherwise magically allowed to come back to life) even when others in their same situation find this an absolutely insane stance?