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openVandalism/gushing
Borught up here
, but I saw some bits that I'm certain are gushing on top of natter, and had to double-check if the troper's edits were natter on other pages too (the troper self-admitted in the edit reason, and they appear to be new, only having five edits).
On Characters.Sonic Boom Antagonists, in this edit
for Shadow the Hedgehog:
- Adaptational Jerkass: Shadow was never a saint, but he wasn't malicious and had several close friends. His original version was a Consummate Professional whose rivalry with Sonic was built around either seeing Sonic as a Worthy Opponent or an obstacle in the way. This version of Shadow is an arrogant (yet awesome) bastard who mocks Sonic for relying on his friends and wants nothing to do with them in the games. In the TV show, he's also a case of Vile Villain, Saccharine Show, being a villain that even intimidates Eggman, and knocks everyone else out of the way so he can fight Sonic one-on-one, and even then his motivations can be seen as petty.
- One-Man Army: He absolutely destroys Team Sonic like the scrubs they are, all by himself, just like the badass he is.
And these edits in Characters.Dragon Ball Z Abridged Movies for Broly here
- Hulk Speak: Just like the Trope Namer, he speaks like this after his homicidal personality surfaces.
Broly: Excuse Broly? (Rebel's Version: "Excuse me?")
- Mythology Gag: When Broly attempts to describe himself.
Broly: Monster? Broly's not a monster. Broly is a... huh...\ (Rebel's Version: Monster, you say?! I'm not a monster! I am... hmm...)Gohan: A genuine demon? note What Broly refers to himself as in the AB Groupe "Big Green" dub
—>Goku: A true freak? note What Broly refers to himself as in the Funimation dub
—>Broly: The Devil. note How Broly refers to himself in the original Japanese version and the Speedy dub
—>Vegeta: OH MY GOD, HE'S SO GODDAMN COOL! - Pre-Mortem One-Liner: Arguably, it's ambiguous whether he knew it would kill him or he simply didn't know his own strength. However, what is the last thing he says to his dad before crushing his pod (and him)? "HUG!" (Rebel's Version: "DEATH WAITS FOR NO ONE!")
- Pokémon Speak: As LSSJ, he devolves into Hulk Speak and then into saying only "Kakarot!" And also "hug"...while crushing his dad to death. Rebel's Version defies this with a huge passion.
- His general impatience even in casual conversation, especially in his Legendary form, also mirrors that of the aforementioned fans when they kept asking for Broly's movie to get the Abridged treatment.
Broly: BROLY DOES NOT LIKE TO WAIT! (Rebel's Version: "TIME'S UP, MOTHERFUCKER!")- Played straight after becoming the Legendary Super Saiyan: his interest in Trunks has increased to the point he thinks Trunks is his property.
Vegeta: You've been ignoring someone this entire time.
Broly: Broly's wife?\ (Rebel's Version Are you referring...to Trunks?
Trunks: Well, technically, I was the one who killed Freeza.
Broly: That's hot.
This is all grounds for vandalism and I can remove without issue, correct? I should also send both a natter and gushing notifiers too?
1x1x1x1 (NOT FORSAKEN)
openWould this be better as a trope or a useful notes page?
So, I am currently working on an article on the topic of "selfshipping" (not to be confused with Screw Yourself) on my sandbox page, but I don't know if this would be better off as a trope or a useful notes page.
resolved First post Live Action TV
Hello,do you have any example of a live action tv show or movie where a mother involves herself in a sex for services situation to benefit her kid in some way?Other than those already present on this site i mean
openQuestion regarding Definition Only Pages
Let's say we have a Definition-Only Pages like Hat-and-Coat Shot which states that examples should not be added to work pages. Does this also mean that we should avoid potholing the trope in example lists?
For example, would this be allowed?
- Flyaway Shot: Explanation of the example, hat and coat pothole.
If potholing is allowed, what would be the rationale behind not allowing the trope to be listed by itself?
Edited by eroockopenDetermining whether certain content is "official" enough to trope
I'm looking to have a conversation on whether certain content can be official enough to be included as part of a work's (character) page, and kinda found myself stumped on finding a specific forum threat to ask this in due to the specific nature of the work in question, so I'm just gonna try here and see if anyone can help me out.
Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition has 12 character classes that developers Wizards of the Coast consider "official" canonnote Artificer was a late addition which was not in the game's SRD, but that's an issue for another time, and those classes are documented appropriately on Dungeons & Dragons Classes: Fifth Edition Classes. However, I'm wondering if there's enough room to document the additional "unofficial, yet WotC-endorsed" classes of Blood Hunter and Illrigger, both of which are technically homebrew content created by third-party developers, but are available as selectable character options on D&D Beyond, what has become WotC's official toolset/digital platform for maintaining games of D&D.
Something that may give this precedent is that back in Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition (especially 3.5E), there used to be PrestigeClasses — extra character classes beyond the central "core" lineup exclusive to certain sourcebooks. Due to not being core classes, they aren't referenced as part of the game's official, vanilla lineup and "canon" means of play, but they were options that WotC considered official enough to publish, and they're evidently enough to warrant a character page specifically to document them. Blood Hunter and Illrigger fall into a similar grey area for 5E, but I'd like a second, well-informed opinion of anyone who can piece together whether this makes sense, and whether or not we can trope those content as part of Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition (with an understanding that it is only kinda-sorta-official).
Edited by number9roboticopenInappropriate No Yay quotes?
The No Yay trope is supposed to be about fictional relationships that are disgusting because of something wrong with the relationship itself (pedophilia, coercion, Unequal Pairings, rape, incest, etc.), correct? It's not for relationships that turn people off of shipping just because one or both of the participants are butt-ugly. That sounds more like Fan Disservice or Fetish Retardant.
With that said, some of the quotes on the Quotes page appear to have missed that memo…
- "This teaches us all a valuable lesson—rape is undesirable when ugly people are doing it."
That's the standout, though there were some others that also raised my eyebrows.
openHow should I include this information? Videogame
Sorry if this is confusingly worded. If this is more of a Trope Finder sort of question, please tell me so or redirect me to elsewhere more appropriate.
Context: This query is about the song “Corruption” from the Phineas & Ferb themed Friday Night Funkin’ one-shot mod of the same name.
The mod’s creator Milo008 has released a remake of the song called Corrosion V2
with significant changes to production, most notably the lyrics rewritten to be more in-character. While the remake was never officially brought into the mod, it was very well received among fans of the one-shot and was considered to be even better than the original, to the point that there were multiple unofficial fan-made charts of this song for the mod itself.
I feel that this information is important to include in the description of this mod, but I don’t know how to mention this remake in the page, or to even mention it at all since it's outside of the mod.
Please advise.
Edited by Duy03openScrappy Misuse
YMMV.My Brave Pony Starfleet Magic
- The Scrappy: Even with readers who find the fic to be So Bad, It's Good, various characters leave a bad taste in people's mouths.
- By far, the most hated character in the entire fic is Rhymey. He has no personality outside of his annoying Running Gag of always rhyming and arguably contributes the least of the Starfleet, which is saying a lot. While he is meant to be a Plucky Comic Relief, his jokes and rhyming quickly became annoying due to how constant and uninteresting they are. Additionally, despite not having any significant backstory or character development, he ends up taking up as much screentime and standalone adventures as Lightning and, despite his aforementioned lack of contributions, parades his successes for attention and as an excuse to do whatever he wants. His questionable relationship with Fluttershy doesn't help. Unsurprisingly, most docs based on Starfleet tend to have him killed off or Demoted to Extra.
- Goldwin, besides sharing a lot of problems with Rhymey, spends a lot of his time complaining about not being a real unicorn, constantly taking his mask off as a Running Gag despite the fact that it basically kills him, and constantly putting actual heroics on hold in favor of complaining.
- Dr. Emil Kudos is hated for just how Unintentionally Unsympathetic he is. He was dumped prior to the story in favor of a unicorn, so his response is to lead a massive conspiracy against his own people out of spite towards magic and abducts Peni just to rub it in her face and later kills himself just to spite her. Needless to say, several readers did not feel the same amount of sympathy towards him as Starfleet did.
Prior cleanup
said this works doesn't count as Scrappy must be hated by those who unironically like the work. Permission to re-remove and add a note? (Asking here because Scrappy cleanup
has yet to reply to current unrelated inquiry there.)
resolved Spotted a problem that's beyond my powers as an editor
I've discovered that, back in July, someone named Tropers/TMH-Sir-Iron-Vomit made an edit that deleted huge swaths of the Scary Scarecrows page, without an edit reason and seemingly without permission to make such sweeping changes.
Being a good troper, I'd ordinarily try to fix the problem myself, but there's too much gone for me to restore. What should I do?
openCan I trope my autobiography? Literature
I'd like to create a trope page for my self-published autobiography Andy's Nature: Asperger's, Obesity and the Supernatural. Would this be allowable? If so, could I link it to my You Tube channel? The channel is linked to my website, which in turn is linked to the book's Amazon page, and I understand commercial links are forbidden on TVT.
resolved Plot Hole page for Ranma 1/2? Anime
I love Ranma ½, but the series was clearly an episodic comedy that Takahashi was making it up as she goes along, and it shows, because there's quite a few times when the story doesn't make sense or contradicts itself - three major examples are how Ranma is perfectly happy to go back to China in the first 2 chapters, but Shampoo's intro reveals he left China partially to escape Shampoo; how Ranma goes from wanting to investigate potential cures in those same chapters, only for everybody to know that the Nanniichuan can cure Ranma and the other guys like him in the Instant Nanniichuan story; and of course the Instant Nanniichuan temporarily curing Ranma and Genma, but Taro being able to upgrade his curse with water from the Jusenkyo Spring of Drowned Octopus.
But... the Plot Hole page notes that it's a No Examples trope. Does that just mean no adding examples to that page, or does it mean that a Plot Hole page for Ranma 1/2 is forbidden as well?
resolved Am I Being Too Uptight About This? Anime
This question involves the final episode of one of those rather important older anime series, so if you're interested in Revolutionary Girl Utena and haven't seen it, this spoiler warning is for you.
Here's my question:
"Revolutionary Girl Utena E 39 Someday We Will Shine Together", has an example of Screw This, I'm Outta Here!. At two points in 2024 I deleted one of its two bullets on the basis that the event in question does not meet the trope's "unplanned departure" criteria (the character who leaves pays a visit to another character to say that she's leaving, and is then shown walking away with a suitcase). Now that I think about it, it's a better fit for Won't Do Your Dirty Work.
Recently another editor added this event under Screw This, I'm Outta Here! again. I don't want to be a wonk about this and I'm already uncomfortable with having deleted it twice. The event in question is a key moment in the story and as such, editors like to mention it in as many examples as possible. So if I delete it again the odds are good that someone else will add it back before long.
Am I interpreting this trope too strictly? I've been treating "unplanned" as something along the lines of "spontaneous"—maybe I'm setting the bar too high?
Or maybe I'm second guessing myself too much and what I need is a commented out message to discourage people from adding this to Screw This, I'm Outta Here!?
Edited by ShivaIndis
Local Odd Squad Connoisseur
resolved Troper that seems to be here just to complain
~katiepricesaunt joined the site last month, but their only contribution is this complainy self-hatted TLP draft
that seems to be taking a potshot at Put on a Bus and has the the troper be needlessly sarcastic in the comments to boot.
I'm not sure if they're just here to complain and be rude, if they're a bandodger of some kind, or what, but I figured I'd report them here and nip things in the bud before they potentially head over to other parts of the site.
openCreating subpages are free will ?
Pretty self explanatory. Some subpages like Cyberpunk.Video Games and AnimeAndManga.Scenery Porn look very long enough to have their own subpages back. Its okay to re-create a subpage without discussion ?
openQuestion on what Useful Notes are supposed to cover.
So, if I'm not mistaken, Useful Notes are supposed to be about explaining complicated real world topics to help media consumers understand context when they see them in works and for writers to help them write difficult topics better. A while ago I came across UsefulNotes.Cult, and the last half of the page is entirely dedicated to offsite resources for more on cults, often about how to recognize real cults and how to avoid joining them. Many of the books referenced are out of print and/or expensive, and many of the links to websites are dead or the sites are inactive, but right now I'm more worried about the "largely for helping people avoid joining cults IRL" angle, because I looked through some of the other Psychology UN pages, and there's others that have problems too. From least concerning to most concerning:
- UsefulNotes.Alcoholism And Alcohol Abuse - This page is entirely written as a help page, but I'm torn on what to do on it because alcoholism is almost never portrayed correctly in media and thus is one of the more warranted UN pages. You could also argue that it's closer to the illness pages like UsefulNotes.Depression or UsefulNotes.Personality Disorders (which I think in general are written much better than the other ones I've listed) and thus has merit to stay as is or close to as is.
- UsefulNotes.Trigger - Most of this is pretty alright, and it has merit to be a UN page as it is technically fanspeak, but it definitely gets a little... heated - "Due to the seriousness of this trigger, it is good Netiquette and being a decent human being to offer at least some warning of suicide, of ruminations on suicide and suicidality, or on things that are guaranteed to be severely depressing and bring out such emotions." This kind of language shows up a couple of times here and other similar pages. Notably, this kinda conflicts with the message we have at the top of this page that says don't add trigger warningsnote and the "guaranteed to be severely depressing and bring out such emotions" part conflicts with what we say later that not all people who are suicidal will be triggered by depictions of suicide. Are we not decent human beings anymore?
- UsefulNotes.Victim Blaming - This page says it's about trying to prevent victim blaming in fiction, but is that really a problem? How often do people unintentionally blame victims in their writing? This is just self-help (and possibly soapboxing) disguised as writing advice. Much of it is just a list of examples of victim blaming, and aside from the weird ones (how is blaming a child for wetting the bed "victim blaming", wetting the bed is a victimless non-crime), I think all of these are fairly obvious from explaining the concept. Also, both this page and the next are very vague on who in situations are "victims" and who are "perpetrators"note for instance, if a car hits and injures a jaywalker they had no chance to avoid, who is the victim? Failure to prevent isn't always a fallacy., and that's confusing at best and a problem at worst.
- UsefulNotes.Abuse - This page doesn't even pretend it's connected to anything related to works of fiction. It's largely about telling abuse victims it's not their fault and how to help yourself/friends get out of abusive situations. There's also this very concerning section in Disability Is An Excuse For Jerkassery: "Furthermore, it is not bigoted or ableist to say that there are certain disorders (primarily Cluster B personality disorders and certain types of bipolar disorder) that should absolutely bar you from dating unless they are properly managed, which means sticking to all prescribed medications and therapy regimens without deviation. Again (because this cannot be stated enough), if you have a disorder that has an extremely high correlation with being toxic or abusive and you are not taking the proper steps to manage it, you have no business being in a relationship." Uh, no, this is actually ableist as hell. This perpetuates the stereotype that the mentally ill (especially people with the "scary" mental illnesses) are a danger to society unless they're sedated into submissionnote not to mention how, especially to someone who, oh, I don't know, is bipolar in a depressive phase, this section might come off as saying that they should avoid any relationships, with anyone, altogether - don't forget that the page isn't just about abuse between romantic/sexual partners, but also toxic friendships, toxic family dynamics, child abuse, elder abuse... this can absolutely send the message that people with mental illnesses should just entirely isolate themselves to avoid their inherent nature to abuse others, and, I'm no expert, but I think that's not a good message?.
We Permanent Red Link Club'ed Useful Notes Suicide Prevention because we decided we weren't qualified to give medical advicenote and because most of the suicide hotlines we were linking to were country-locked, it wasn't fair to visitors who lived in countries where we couldn't find an active suicide hotline. UsefulNotes.Suicide, for what it's worth, is in pretty good shape following its cleanup and locking.. What is our stance on giving self-help on UN pages?
Edited by MissConductresolved Edit warring to keep a YMMV item on a main work page
About a month ago ~King Ghost added
Designated Hero—a YMMV item—with improper Example Indentation to Webcomic.The Idaten Deities Know Only Peace.
Yestersday I sent "YMMV" and "indentation" Notifiers to King Ghost, then removed
the entry from the page and combined
it with the entry that was already on YMMV.The Idaten Deities Know Only Peace.
Today King Ghost replied to the notifiers with what clearly showed he didn't read the articles linked in them to understand why what he did was wrong. I replied to the replies, but then I checked the page itself and saw that he had already
put Designated Hero back on the work page, again improperly indented, and with Edit Reasons that also show he doesn't understand what the problem is.
I'd continue to try explaining things to him before coming here, but since there's a rule violation on the page I'd wanted some help with that, since removing it again is pointless if he'll just put it back once again.
openSelf-Demonstrating Character Pages
Hypothetically speaking, how would one go about making a new self-demonstrating character pages?
openMultiple Violations of Quote Potholing Videogame
The page quote for The Roottrees are Dead has been potholed to Title Drop three times by three
different
editors
, despite the initial deletion
referencing What to Put at the Top of a Page. I sent the second editor the notifier and they removed their re-potholing attempt by themself, but the third editor added it back in. Does this warrant a reversion and a commented-out warning?
openUser with consistent complaining, edit war and bias issues
I previously made an ATT query
on Jondoe 1265 after noticing a lengthy edit war on YMMV.Punisher 2022. However, in the time since the query was made, several other users, myself included, have noticed several edits from there consisting of complaining, edit wars, and edits that are biased or violate Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment. Many of their edits seem to be on works that are infamous for having mixed/negative reviews.
- An edit
adding Artist Disillusionment to Trivia.Joker Folie A Deux that uses two No Real Life tropes (Pyrrhic Victory and Gone Horribly Right) to complain about Todd Philips.
- Three edits to YMMV.Saints Row 2022 complaining about the game - the first
adding a sub-bullet to Uncertain Audience to complain about political correctness, the second
adding Fan-Preferred Cut Content, and the third
adding a complaint-heavy Replacement Scrappy entry. After the Uncertain Audience entry was cut, they readded it
.
- An edit
to Series.Out Of Jimmys Head changing "mixed critical reception" to "immensely negative reception among viewers".
- An edit
to YMMV.I Am Not Starfire adding several complaint-heavy tropes (Bile Fascination, Critical Dissonance, Glurge, Too Bleak, Stopped Caring and Unintentionally Sympathetic) alongside a zero-context Fanon Discontinuity entry.

I stumbled across this on YMMV.The White Lotus Season Three:
To my knowledge, "autogynephilia" is a transphobic dogwhistle which basically means "trans women are just perverted men with a fetish for becoming a woman." I don't think the term is used by anyone who isn't a TERF.
Putting that aside, I don't think this is a valid example anyway, as Diagnosed By The Audience is about mental illnesses and disorders, not fetishes. Maybe Trans Audience Interpretation could work for this example, but I'm not really familiar with the show so I'm not sure. I've just heard a little bit about the scene in question through other sites.
Edited by Zuxtron