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openConfusing YMMV deletion
Last month, concernedalien11780 did some cleanup on YMMV.Big Mouth. Some of this was admittedly helpful, deleting natter or ZCE, but there was an entry from Author's Saving Throw that I had initially added and I don't know why it was deleted:
- After being criticized for their poorly phrased and under-researched definitions of bisexuality and pansexuality in "Rankings," the next season introduced a transgender character, Natalie, written in collaboration with transgender women to ensure she wouldn't be written offensively. Natalie is actually a season four highlight she also has a legal, yet teenage voice actress, Josie Totah, (a 19-year-old in a cast of primarily 30 and 40 somethings), who is also transgender herself.
Note that I didn't add that bit about her actress - I think it's kind of weird to highlight her as "legal yet teenage." That came from lifelover91, who also seemed to have some grammar and ZCE issues on top of gushy writing ("Natalie and Gina are the characters we love (and totally deserve)."
) Not sure if they warrant a separate query. Anyway, to make things clearer, the entry as I originally wrote it was:
- After being criticized for their outdated and transphobic definitions of bisexuality and pansexuality in "Rankings," the next season introduced a transgender character, Natalie, written in collaboration with transgender women to ensure she wouldn't be written offensively.
I think this is a valid entry because the creators have discussed wanting to better represent certain positions, they apologized for the Unfortunate Implications in their depiction of pansexuality, so when adding more representation to the show, they made sure to include voices of the community when writing the episode (as a trans woman is on the writing team now), as they were criticized for presumably not consulting pansexual people when writing "Rankings." In short: they were criticized for transphobic implications in their LGBT rep, so they took measures to avoid transphobic implications in future episodes.
I mentioned this on the discussion page
but have yet to hear any feedback. I'd like to re-add it, but I want to avoid an Edit War.
openTroper uncommenting out ZCEs, some rudeness
It was brought up on the ZCE thread
that Queen Adrian uncommented out some ZC Es without adding context on Webcomic.Pandoras Tale. I looked through their edit history to see if this was frequent behavior and I ended up finding that they deleted this entry on SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.Video Games:
- Pokémon Black and White mentions that you should try to get along with people who have different views from yourself. Take one look at any political debate, especially those around major political parties and those on the internet, and you'd know how much that anvil really needed to be dropped.
With the edit reason:
"Oh, fuck off. People's rights are not on a similar scale to whether or not pineapple goes on pizza."
Regardless of context, the edit reason was quite rude. Didn't find a lot of other problems looking through their edits (granted I didn't look a lot, maybe there are others but I didn't see them on a cursory glance) but based on what I did find should something be done?
Edited by themayorofsimpletonopenI think I'm edit warring by accident.
So earlier today I was going through The Devil Wears Prada when I saw this entry:
- Vanilla Protagonist: Andy is an alright protagonist, having her funny and likable moments, but it's widely agreed that Miranda is far more interesting and entertaining, completely stealing the show from her. It's telling that even though some believed her role was a supporting one, one, Meryl Streep was nominated for Best Actress instead of the true lead Anne Hathaway.
I remember reading that this trope has to be intentional, and the entry itself admits that she is still quite likable and has some funny moments. So I removed it here
, but then I recently saw that it was originally a zero context entry I hid here
. Which I forgot I hid. Now the entry was originally added by RiceRomp here
, and they are the one who unhid and expanded it here
. I message them about it, and meant to before I removed it to explain how the trope needs to be intentional, but forgot to before hand. And this was before I remembered that I originally hid it.
So I think I am edit warring by mistake. Did I? If I am I fully take responsibility, and accept the consequence.
Edited by BullmanopenChild Soldier Misuse?
Once again, on Characters.Ys VIII Lacrimosa Of Dana. I saw four examples of Child Soldier used for Ricotta, Reja, Quina, and the general Castaway Village folder. However, given that the trope talks about literal child soldiers trained and drafted for war, these examples on the character page are really overstretching it, because not only are these child characters not actually soldiers to begin with, but outside of Beast Raids as support skills, Reja and Quina don't get actively involved in fights, and Ricotta is actually a Jungle Princess who fights for survival rather than war.
Edited by DivineFlame100openCleanup needed on The Mask cartoon pages
Domino 710 added a whole bunch of really long and grammatically-dubious passages to pages related to the animated adaptation of ''The Mask''. For example:
“The Mask can be too strong towards any girls he comes across such as putting himself in a position with a girl so that he can kiss them only they are put off by him which makes him like Stanley unlucky with any woman he comes across but however he does get lucky later on due to the fact that he’s polite, kind and very sweet as well which makes most of the girls who are put off by him to be attracted to him.”
You’ll notice how it is just one run-on sentence with very strange wording. Stuff like this is all over the place, so I’d like to request some help in fixing it all up. Luckily, some tropers have already started (thanks for that!), but there’s still much more that needs to be done.
Edited by Loopytires55openIs it Mockguffin or not?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MockGuffin
Except, instead of mistaking something worthless for a valuable item, the item itself is either discharged, damaged, or is actually worthless in one way or another, despite previous intel painted it as something important. Meaning smart people, did research, and either it became outdated, or they got wrong info.
openPoorlyDisguisedPilot misuse?
- Star Wars: The Clone Wars had a couple, though it's not as evident as some given the show's anthology-style format.
- "The Gathering" through "A Necessary Bond" involve Ahsoka meeting a diverse group of young Jedi in training and helping them learn the ropes. None of the characters get another speaking role in the series, and it's very easy to imagine a TV show around them. One has to wonder if the involved Inferred Holocaust was a factor...
- "Secret Weapons" through "Point of No Return" is a completely self-contained mini-arc where the only main character to be present is R2, with everyone else being a crew of naturally kid-appealing droids and their commander.
Does Poorly Disguised Pilot require they produce the followup or Word of God they planned to? It seems speculative otherwise.
openParody Retcon
So, at the beginning of 2020, costanton11 removed this from Trivia.Cinema Sins:
- Parody Retcon: A common response to criticism is "it's satire" and claiming Jeremy is more of a character representing online critics who get anal-retentive over small details. This generally only comes up when they're called out for getting something wrong, while at all other points the complaints they make are their genuine views, mistakes and all, as evidenced in videos on Jeremy's personal channel. Jeremy also acknowledges mistakes, something he wouldn't need to do while in-character, and contradicts himself in several interviews, on Reddit and in his rant on a live-action remake of Winnie the Pooh in a Dear Hollywood video where he states the channel is not satire and should be taken seriously, which really reinforces the notion the "it's satire" and "he's playing a character" claims are just attempts at deflecting legitimate criticisms.
There was no edit reason, and it is actually a valid example. (Cinema Sins is notorious for pulling the Parody Retcon. They've even claimed at certain points that a certain percentage of all the "sins" they call movies out on are "intentionally wrong" as a joke, even though none of them are presented that way and the only way to know which is which is... well, can you prove the point wrong? Then it was on purpose and you just didn't get their biting satire!)
It feels like one fan just not wanting a negative trivia item on the page. Is it safe to put it back?
EDIT: Actually, it looks like there is an edit reason I missed, linking to the Complaints Cleanup thread, where Fighteer said he thought it didn't count as Parody Retcon.
But the thread also has no evidence or even attempts at arguing why it's actually wrong. And honestly, I'm not sure why or how anyone could possibly think that it is wrong. It literally says "people pointed out they made incorrect points and they responded by claiming they were just kidding." How is that not Parody Retcon?
The example could probably stand to be rewritten to be less complainy, and maybe make the point a bit better, but seriously... everyone knows Cinema Sins is guilty of this, even Cinema Sins.
Edited by Mimic1990openMisuse of Mythology Gag?
i don't mean to call anyone out, i'm just here to learn from my own mistakes.
this bit i added to Sephiroth's Mythology Gag entry in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 76 to 81 got removed (in bold):
with the following reason:
i'm just curious what my mistake was, since Mythology Gag doesn't seem like it's limited in scope to how mundane the reference is, just that the thing referenced isn't in the same canon/universe otherwise it'd be Continuity Nod. unless, of course, i missed something while skimming the article (that happens to me a lot, unfortunately).
Edited by FreecomopenUnbuilt Trope
Mythology & Religion has these two examples for The Bible. Are they legitimate examples, a different trope, or some sort of complaining?
- Picture if you will a being that exists outside of space and time that can make and unmake the universe at will just with its voice, who sometimes sends messengers into the mortal world to manipulate mortals into performing seemingly insignificant actions as small parts of a very long-term plan that is inscrutable to all beings except itself, that has the power not only to destroy said people's bodies but also to lock their souls into an eternal state of And I Must Scream for failing to follow said plan, and a form that is so incomprehensible to human beings that the mere sight of it would kill them instantly and even the most minuscule fraction of its power is able to induce visceral terror in even its most loyal of servants. No, it's not some Lovecraftian Eldritch Abomination; that's God Himself. And He's not out to destroy or mutate the reality He created with His sheer might; He's the benevolent guardian of humanity who sends a manifestation of Himself (Jesus) to show them the light, and protect them from a lesser-but-actually-evil entity (Satan).
openTroper with oodles of problems
This troper here
has problems with examples not being self-contained
, referring to "the above mentioned" example; writing with awkward phrasing
("wasn't having to follow him repeatedly"?) and so on.
openGLaDOS Page weirdness
Something weird is up with SelfDemonstrating.G La DOS (Unless it's just my phone.)
It's full of end lines as though someone had added double slashes between almost every word. But theres nothing like that in the page source and I can find nowhere in the history where it was vandalized.
The page has a metric crap ton of formatting to give it its voice. Did it break the page?
openDirect to profile move Web Original
So, in my review of several Super Sentai pages, I've noticed a few times a character in the group get called either The Smart Lancer or The Big Lancer (with links to relevant Lancer/Smart Guy/Big Guy pages). It's making me wonder if maybe these 'Lancer combos' should become either full-fledged pages of their own or maybe just side notes on the Lancer page itself. I just wanted to discuss this before launching any Trope pages.
Along with https://saukrit.com/profile-creation-site-list
openSmart Lancer and Big Lancer
So, in my review of several Super Sentai pages, I've noticed a few times a character in the group get called either The Smart Lancer or The Big Lancer (with links to relevant Lancer/Smart Guy/Big Guy pages). It's making me wonder if maybe these 'Lancer combos' should become either full-fledge pages of their own or maybe just side notes on the Lancer page itself. I just wanted to discuss this before launching any Trope pages.
openPersistent complaining on YMMV.CrashBandicoot4ItsAboutTime.
Psi001
has been constantly adding entries complaining about characterization in YMMV.Crash Bandicoot 4 Its About Time. Among their entries include a Cliché Storm entry ranting about flanderization of the characters, They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character and Badass Decay complaining about Crash being stupid compared to Coco despite it always been part of his character, and an Audience-Alienating Premise entry that reads more like a general rant about the game (while the game itself definitely has flaws, Psi spends more time ranting about Positive Discrimination like his other entries). Also, a Badass Decay entry on YMMV.Crash Bandicoot is a huge Wall of Text complaining about Coco suffering Positive Discrimination which misuses Drama-Preserving Handicap and outright states We Want Our Jerk Back!.
I'd send them a PM, but I've already had several arguments with them about their Single-Issue Wonk on other sites that inevitably go nowhere, so I don't want to talk with them again lest we have another argument.
openThe thin line between webcomic and web-manga
This is an issue that has been raised several times over many years and involved works that I edited heavily (for example, Daily Lives of High School Boys and Kotoura-san), that is, how to handle manga that started online.
I know we have a consensus that an online preview, by itself, does not change the work's namespace, which is why the two works named above are still in the Manga/ namespace, because from day one they are intended to be published on paper, but released online-first.
What I am confused are works like I Can't Understand What My Husband Is Saying and I Think Our Son Is Gay. They were originally serialized on Pixiv (and in the latter case, Twitter as well). However, they are collected and published on paper eventually. Should they be Manga-namespaced, or they should—following the precedent of Hetalia: Axis Powers—be put into Webcomic/ ? Or even in Web Original/ like Getsuyoubi No Tawawa?
A third case is even more complicated. Wasteful Days of High School Girls was originally published as webcomic (on Nico Nico Douga), but eventually no longer published that way; most of the series is published in anthologies like traditional manga. How should it be namespaced?
Edited by SamCurtresolved Here's johnny?
Taylorswiftscat edited the quotes page for replacement scrappy
, just as one of johnnyfog's socks did, along with johnny himself. They also edited a bunch of quotes pages and the WCW page
.
They do seem suspiciously familiar with the wiki for a newcomer, based on my interactions with them.
Edited by SkyCat32openRemember 103pmaL?
This user got bounced from TV Tropes back in 2013 for adding false information. His edits can be found here
, but, strangely, the ones below (albeit since edited/corrected by others) are still lingering on this site.
(This is gonna be a long one, so...)
- Many live-action shows on Nickelodeon do this - a lot. Below are a few examples...
- The Amanda Show's theme song was essentially the Wizard's Peak theme from Spyro The Dragon With Lyrics.
- Drake & Josh used "I Found a Way" by Drake Bell.
- Unfabulous used "Unfabulous" by Jill Sobule.
- Zoey 101 used "Follow Me" by Jamie Lynn Spears.
- iCarly uses "Leave It All To Me" by Miranda Cosgrove and Drake Bell.
- Victorious uses "Make It Shine" by Victoria Justice.
- Sam & Cat uses "Just Fine" by Backhouse Mike.
- Crossover: Drake & Josh had a crossover with Zoey 101 and Unfabulous in which a hurricane strikes the shows' respective towns - San Diego, Malibu and Santa Barbara. The three-part special was originally scheduled to air in May 2006, but due to the massive tornado outbreak happening at that time, it ultimately didn't air until October of that year.
- "Do It Yourself" Theme Tune: Starting with the episode "iWill Date Freddie", Miranda, aka Carly, sings the theme tune.
- Replaced the Theme Tune: Avril Lavigne and Drake Bell sang the theme song, titled "Leave It All To Me" — that was until the episode "iRock with Drake Parker" in which Carly sang Avril's vocals at the end of the episode. Then, a version of "Leave It All To Me" by Miranda Cosgrove and Drake Bell became the top-downloaded song on iTunes for the week, and coincidentally, the Avril Lavigne version was dropped starting with "iWill Date Freddie". Promptly, this ended Nickelodeon's aversion of Disney Channel's tradition of Do It Yourself Theme Tunes.
Sam & Cat is the first Nick show to use an actual song as its theme song since 2007.
Until 2007, Nickelodeon used a lot of hit songs for its sitcoms, such as Simple Plan's "I Found a Way", (Drake & Josh), Nerf Herder's "Girl Next Door" (Unfabulous), JoJo's "Follow Me" (Zoey 101), and Green Day's "American Idiot" (Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide).- That changed when the producers of iCarly dumped Avril Lavigne from the opening titles in favor of Miranda Cosgrove, and now Nick follows the lead of Disney Channel in using DIY theme tunes.
- Hopefully for fans, this may be the last time they might hear an actual song in the opening of a Nick sitcom.
- Since 2007 note (and even before that), Nickelodeon does this a lot too. Miranda Cosgrove sings the theme song to iCarly (starting with "iWill Date Freddie"), Victoria Justice sings the theme for Victorious, Keke Palmer sings the theme for True Jackson, VP, Big Time Rush sings the theme for... Big Time Rush, Brec Bassinger sings the theme for Bella and the Bulldogs, and Kel Mitchell sings the theme to Game Shakers. Older Nickelodeon series include the entire cast performing the theme to Eureeka's Castle.
- Only one Nick series averts this: Sam & Cat, whose theme song used is a Real Song Theme Tune: "Just Fine" by Backhouse Mike.
- Season two of My Babysitter's a Vampire has Vanessa Morgan singing the theme song, "Girl Next Door" (which was sung by Nerf Herder in season one, and also used for the Nickelodeon show Unfabulous)
- Real Song Theme Tune: Jamie Lynn sings the theme song, titled "Follow Me".
openAvoiding an edit war.
On Happiest Season I found a Unintentionally Unsympathetic that didn't really explain how a character is mean to be sympathetic:
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Harper. She is understandably afraid to come out to her conservative small-town family, but it doesn't excuse that she lied to Abby about being out and continuously acted in a way that made Abby uncomfortable.
- There's also the unambiguously cruel way in which Harper outed Riley, which is largely brushed off but which other, thematically similar films have treated as a Moral Event Horizon.
- And the fact that she smashed Jane's painting.
So I took it to the clean up thread here
. And most seemed to agree with me. So I cut it. However another troper York back added it here
with no new additions, except a link to an un related site and the reason of "after the movie came out, the points made in Fan-Preferred Couple and Unintentionally Unsympathetic have been discussed on social media and by Aubrey Plaza herself, so these entries have been added back in." Which I don't thinks is allowed. They also unhid a Zero Context example I hid for Fan-Preferred Couple, which from my research I am not sure qualifies, without new info. Then whoseliner deleted the second bullet here
I am trying to avoid an Edit war.
Edited by Bullman

I have reason to suspect that The Master Chand
is ScumBagMan
. He focuses on many of the same works (Catherine, Mega Man, Xexyz, Godzilla, Mass Effect, and Star Trek) and the Unintentionally Unsympathetic example he added to The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening is suspiciously similar to the one Scum Bag Man added back in 2019. Compare.
Scum Bag Man's example: "One may forgive it for not saving the Nightmares, but more than a little harsh that it lets even those had nothing to do with their schemes die as well. Leaving the guy who saves him stranded in the ocean and clinging to driftwood isn't particularly nice either."
The Master Chand's example: "You can forgive him for letting the Nightmares die, self-preservation motives or not, but the general residents of the island are harder to overlook. There's also the issue of leaving the guy who just saved his bacon stranded in the ocean clinging to driftwood."
Edited by Sammettik