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openIs there any restrictions on what can be considered as a character or not? (Vtuber/hololive) Web Original
So over at Characters/Hololive, we had a debate
on whether we should include a particular character in our Characters page, where each character we have there at the moment is a hololive member & a vtuber in their own right (with the exception of one), each having their own Youtube channel.
A while ago somebody added an entry for a non-vtuber character (Anemachi), who is the sister of one of the hololive vtubers (Suisei). Despite not being a vtuber herself, Anemachi has a character portrait and occasionally makes appearances in Suisei's livestream at an average rate of about "once every few months". So you can say she's a somewhat recurring character on Suisei's channel.
Now, a troper had a problem with the inclusion of Anemachi with their reasoning being that she's not a hololive member. What I would like to know is that if there are any rules on TV Tropes that state who should be "worthy" of having a Characters entry or not. Because otherwise I don't see any problem with adding what is essentially a Minor Character into the Characters/Hololive page (with the hololive members themselves being Main Characters), seeing as even one-off characters from all sort of works get entries deliciated to them on TV Tropes.
Edited by AsoktencheaopenNightmare Face Web Original
Nightmare Face has a lot of examples from TV Tropes itself, which lists pages whose images fit the trope. The thing is, examples are not supposed to mention that they provide the page image. I already cleaned up a bunch of examples that had unnecessary "This example illustrates the show's Nightmare Fuel page", so do I delete all of the TV Tropes examples?
openOverlapping character pages due to misnamed work Web Original
Transformers: War for Cybertron is sharing its character page with the unrelated Transformers: War for Cybertron because someone misnamed the former. The show is actually called Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (also, I'm not sure if it counts as Web Animation if it's a Netflix original, since Castlevania isn't considered web animation, and War for Cybertron calls itself an anime).
Can I move it? And if yes, should it be to Transformers War For Cybertron Trilogy, Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy or Transformers War For Cybertron Trilogy?
openEntry Butchering on Shadowrun Storytime Web Original
I remember Shadowrun Storytime having a full on character list and funny/nightmare fuel list, as well as a few others, but now they're all gone and the page itself is unindexed. Is this data loss or has someone gone and butchered it?
openPossible example Web Original
(Sorry for making so much ATT threads regarding entries i’m just kinda nervous about my contributions and I want to make sure they’re right-)
So I want to add an example for Self-Destruct Mechanism from a You Tube series I’m into, and I just want to make sure it’s a-okay before adding it.
The Final Minutes - Zombie Plague: The Path’s compound locations are fitted with a Magno Loop, an underground ring that acts as the compounds’ defense system. It’s also fitted with Complete Destruction mode, which causes the loop to cycle through all of its defense modes before detonating and vaporizing anything in a 25 kilometer radius.
Here’s the part that the info comes from
, the self destruct mode gets more detail at the 37:13 mark.
openAbout Fan Works Web Original
What's the stance on indexing Fan Works examples by work on the main page (instead of a sub-page)? For example, this example from a TLP:
Fan Works Batman
- Angel of the Bat: As in canon, Dick Grayson/Nightwing is of Roma descent. He considers himself a Christian, but mentions traveling with the circus never permitted him much time to study his faith. His first scene also shows him to be a trickster, playing off the stereotypes of Roma being superstitious to grill an enemy which ironically is a Double Subversion, considering Roma are also stereotypically connected to deceit.
openEdit warring troper Web Original
Dr Mc P has repeatedly removed two Shipper on Deck entries from the Critical Role: Wildemount Campaign page on the claim that Shipper on Deck is a YMMV trope (notably both are about the same ship). Vorpoler tried to explain that it isn't but Dr Mc P deleted them again anyway. Dr Mc P eventually added one of the entries back themself but the other is still gone.
openI need help cleaning up these mess (SCP Foundation characters sheet) Web Original
Just to make it clear how bad it is, this is from Characters.SCP Foundation SC Ps 5000 To 5999
- And Then John Was a Zombie: In SCP-5000, The Foundation itself is the Monster of the Week.
- Alternate Universe: The SCP comes from either this, a previous iteration of the universe or the past before it was changed via Reset Button. In any case, the Foundation found no ties between the SCP and their still-living version of the employee that died inside the suit.
- Always Chaotic Evil: The cured Foundation personnel are unable to feel pain or sympathy and are nearly emotionless. The hidden dialogue hints that this is the natural state of the human race.
- Apocalyptic Log: The majority of the article features one, with data logs being the only thing still functioning from the SCP, that detail a Foundation employee's cross country trek in a world where the SCP Foundation declared war on humanity.
- Bittersweet Ending: Despite near-impossible odds, Pietro manages to reset the timeline at the cost of his own life. But since it's never revealed what the secret that caused the Foundation's Face–Heel Turn was there's no way to tell if it will happen again.
- Also since the Eldritch Abomination inside humanity's collective unconsciousness hasn't been stopped it's still able to continue its unknown goals. At least in the new timeline humanity may have a chance of stopping it without resorting to genocide as now they know what happened last time.
- Blue-and-Orange Morality: The SCP Foundation believe that the extermination of humanity is the right thing to do. Scant references imply that it's thanks to a discovery that humanity itself is abhorrent and anomalous. And if the revelation that a foreign entity gave emotions to humanity's collective unconscious in the past is correct, then humans as a whole are originally inclined to this kind of morality before the entity stepped in.
- Body Horror: Pietro tries to bury the corpse of a young boy, only for hundreds of worms with the child's face to burst out of it.
- Brown Note: Whatever the Foundation learned that made them declare war on humanity, it's something very dangerous for the uninitiated to learn. When an interrogated MTF member revealed it to his interrogators, it caused them to essentially be put in a state of perpetual screaming.
- Call-Back: To 2998. "Can't fit round pegs in square holes", can you?
- Clingy Costume: Pietro is forced to wear SCP-5000 throughout his entire trip. Not because he can't remove it but because it is keeping him as The Needless and invisible for his walk across the country in a world where humanity is getting systematically exterminated.
- Conditioned to Accept Horror: As his on-foot trek continues Pietro becomes more and more desensitized to the constant genocide happening around him. This doesn't help his self-image.
- Continuity Cavalcade: Over a dozen different SCPs get referenced in this article, mostly with reports explaining how the Foundation is unleashing them on humanity for maximum casualties. In addition, Pietro's goal, though he can't remember it, is putting SCP-055 in contact with SCP-579, the "square peg in round hole" scenario a couple of other articles reference.
- Curb-Stomp Battle: While the Foundation are eventually defeated by Pietro reseting the timelime their attack on humanity is an absolute slaughter. They easily destroy entire cities overnight, crush the GOC and Church of the Broken God's alliance and force the Serpent's Hand to abandon the universe.
- Death by Irony: Not literal death but the Foundation has their apocalypse reversed just like they had previously used a Reset Button to overwrite the apocalypses caused by all the other world-ending horrors.
- Eldritch Abomination: Late in his travels, Pietro comes across several Foundation soldiers fighting against a weird entity that resembles a human stretched across the sky. It is assumed to be the the foreign entity that invaded humanity's collective unconscious in the past and gave emotions to humanity as a whole for unknown reasons, and since the humanity that it controls is dying, it attempts to materialize itself to defeat the Foundation and to (perhaps ironically) defend the humanity that it controls at the time.
- Enemy Mine: The Global Occult Coalition and The Church of the Broken God are normally hated by the Foundation, but neither wanted humanity to be wiped out and occasionally cooperated as the biggest forces opposing the corrupted Foundation. Ultimately, it wasn't enough, with the GOC being wiped out and the Church crippled.
- The Extremist Was Right: After discovering a horrible secret regarding the truth behind humanity's collective unconscious, the Foundation ends up agreeing with SCP-682 that there is something inherently wrong with humanity...and deciding that eradicating humanity is the only logical step to spare them from this fate.
- Face–Heel Turn: The Foundation as a whole undergoes one of these after discovering something horrible.
- Feel No Pain: While conducting purges of uncorrupted SCP soldiers, the Foundation would test them by stabbing them. Most had no reaction, while those who did were promptly killed.
- One Foundation scientist claims that humanity as a whole is not supposed to feel pain.
- Foreshadowing: This line from the interrogated MTF member might seem nothing at first glance but it hints at what the Foundation of SCP-5000's universe learned. It is the same line SCP-682 expresses when talking about humanity
Samuel Ross: …disgusting.
- Heroic Sacrifice: Pietro manages to create a Reality-Breaking Paradox that restores the world, but in order to do so he has to jump into the pit containing SCP-579, dying on impact with the ground.
- Hoist by His Own Petard: Three of these occur. The Foundation, which was created to protect humanity from world-destroying horrors, end up exterminating the human race. But then Pietro combines SCP-055 and SCP-579 to create a Reset Button that restores the world just as the Foundation had previously used the same method to stop an Alien Invasion. Even better, in order to do it Pietro needed the aid of an advanced armour suit the Foundation itself had created.
- Living Statue: Eventually Pietro starts finding statues of SCP soldiers except they have blades for hands, a permanent grimace on their face, and ability like SCP-173. They turn out to be frighteningly effective in killing people too.
- Oh, Crap!: Pietro could only utter a "Fuck me" when the Foundation released a global message revealing their existence and their intent to exterminate mankind.
- The Purge: The first people the Foundation killed were those of its own membership that had not been hit by whatever "cured" them.
- Reset Button: As in SCP-2998, combining SCP-055 with SCP-579 accomplishes this.
- The Reveal: Hidden text in the last image implies that what the Foundation learned to make them want to exterminate humanity made them essentially see humanity the same way SCP-682 sees humanity.
- It gets better! The hidden dialogue in the blank space between the final journal entry and the footnotes and the hidden implications in the article depicts that in the past, a foreign entity entered humanity's collective unconscious and gave humanity the ability to feel emotions like empathy...emotions which humans aren't supposed to be able to experience at all.
- "Shaggy Dog" Story: Unfortunately even though Pietro eventually reached his goal humanity was essentially exterminated by this point, he is left with no answers, and he could only make SCP-055 come into contact with SCP-579 by dropping from a fatal height, causing him to die before his remains were transported to the main SCP universe.
- Luckily reading SCP-2998 makes it more of a Bittersweet Ending. It's implied that Pietro really did reset the timeline to save humanity.
- ...but then potentially Double Subverted when one realizes that, thanks to this timeline reset, whatever entity the alternate Foundation found within the collective unconscious and was trying to fight by exterminating humanity is still out there, and now there's nothing stopping it from pursuing whatever its goals are in granting humanity empathy. Though since the Foundation has SCP-5000 now they may be able to rediscover it.
- Technically Living Zombie: The "cured" Foundation members are still alive, but feel no pain or fear and refer to those who do as "live ones". It's implied that they sacrificed some core element of their humanity itself thanks to discovering it to be unnatural and repulsive since it is assumed that humans originally do not have emotions at all (or at least not certain ones such as empathy).
- Was Once a Man: The Foundation as a whole. They still look human but definitely aren't. Even the personifications of Death can't recognize them as humans anymore.
- You Have Outlived Your Usefulness: The first thing the newly insane Foundation does is execute most of its staff with gunfire.
Obvious mistake like bad Administrivia.Example Indentation In Trope Lists and ZCE aside, I think the problem is how this is more like a work's trope page despite being in a character sheet (even the header named after the article, not a character or faction or something). And as such it troping several characters at once (mostly Pietro Wilson and the altered Foundation, despite how they don't work together), and include plot/narrative tropes. Seriously, if it has proper summary I would just move this to its own work page. But no, all it has is link to article and trope list.
This isn't just one case (please check the page's history, as well as other character sheets'), sometime they're bad enough that the folder say one name but all tropes belong to a completely different character or the writing gimmick of the article. And as a wiki, you can bet that this kind of thing will keep coming.
Edited by KuruniopenCurb-Stomp Battles of Death Battle Web Original
It's come to recent attention that the Curb-Stomp Battle page for DEATH BATTLE! has a lot of issues. The page lists a lot of fights as examples, to the point that literally every episode from season six is listed. However, the entries seem to only focus on the post-fight analysis that determined the winner and not how the actual fight played out. The fight itself could be portrayed as pretty even, only for the analysis to point out the discrepancy between the two fighters.
Even if the hosts explain the fight was actually pretty close, those matches will still be listed because the victor had the advantage, which seems like misuse. I tried to clean up entries
that were listed as "downplayed", but they were simply added back
with slight alterations that the hosts were just explaining the loser's strengths. I think the page should focus on the fights themselves, and not rely solely on the post-fight wrap-up. At the very least, the page needs a clean-up.
open Bloody excessive adverts on tvt Web Original
As of today, there's a banner advert popping up at the bottom of the page that wasn't there yesterday - this is new. Seems to be organised by something called "PROPER<>" and however often you hit the X to whack it down and get rid, it keeps coming back and appears every time you switch to a new page. Click on whatever's being advertised, you get "ad closed by Google". Is this new to tvtropes, and how do you get rid of it completely, as it's annoying and intrusive? I mean - ad at the top of the page, ad on the right hand side, no problem, tvt has to get revenue - but ads spilling over into the actual content of the page itself - not acceptible.
openLimiting vitriol/harsh edits on a YMMV page. Web Original
I’m the creator of a web original project, Diamond In The Rough, a Touhou self-insert fic part-deconstruction part-satire, and I also overlook the trope pages for it.
Recently, there’ve been some patronizing edits, but I’m not sure how to go about it. The edits have some legit complaints, but the wording feels hostile. If I’m not mistaken, the rules for creators on their own YMMV pages are stricter, but at the same time, what if an edit broke TV Tropes’ guidelines, but the creator wanted to clean up said edits while maintaining the essence of the complaints?
Here is the page in question: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/DiamondInTheRoughTouhou
As you can tell by the recent edit history (in addition to me hitting enter too quickly and having to redo my edit reason separately), some of the edits were either less-than-flattering or just outright broke the rules. If it’s against the rules for me to edit this, I guess let me know and revert the page, though somebody else will have to clean it all up.
I’d rather leave the person who made the edits out of this since, again, they had common complaints, plus it seems by the fast edits it was done in the heat of passion. I just mainly wanna know what I, as the creator, can do to clean up the language/what I can do in general within the creator’s guidelines.
Edited by SpaztiqueopenRWBY recap page Web Original
I was about to add an example in https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/RWBYV7E3AceOperatives
page but first I need someone to check if my example and my grammar is wrong. Here is my example.
- Important Haircut: Implied. During Lock-and-Load Montage, Blake was shown looking at herself touching her hair. The next scene we see Blake with Bob-style hair (and a new outfit) symbolizing her freedom from White Flag.
openPro Jared RoleEndingMisdemeanor addition Web Original
On Nov 22nd, Ozwald Edswald added the following entry:
"Heidi herself would not escape this trope either. During the controversy many were suspicious of her accusations towards Jerad, feeling that some were baseless or contradicted already existing information. Later on these suspicions proved true and many of Heidi's tweets were revealed to be exaggerations and even outright lies. Then when it was revealed that Heidi had been abusing her husband, her reputation sank even farther than Jared's."
I removed this on the 25th, citing a lack of evidence. I then received a PM from Ozwald with a link to a reddit thread
discussing it, but I do not feel this is enough to warrant the entry since it is very circumstantial points and is saying Heidi's reputation is tanked even though there is no evidence to that. Ozwald readded the entry earlier today.
Just wanted to bring it up here for review since I don't agree it counts.
Edit: I responded to him with a link to this ATT.
Edited by keyblade333openIssue with "Kayfabe" page Web Original
I'm really not sure which box this goes in and I'm asking more for advice and guidance - but this relates to the Kayfabe page under Real Life, and I'm wondering if according to tvt rules this is a legitimate entry. It relates to an online model called Lily May, describes what she does, and stressing this is not her real-life persona, but a role she plays for professional purposes. The links when followed, plus image searches, take you to what really amount to soft-core porn pages and in this light, the entry reads like special pleading for why an entry about a porn actress should be included on tvtropes; it doesn't read as if anything here is extraordinary enough to be included on tv tropes over and above "this woman is a professional soft-core porn performer and this is not who she is when she is not doing porn" - which is something any woman in the porn industry could legitimately state about herself?
So, does this contravene the "no porn" rule? I suspect it does and it's worth raisng here for a ruling.
Edited by AgProvresolved Edit War ...Death Battle again Web Original
In Jul 23rd 2019, qwigly added this to DeathBattle.Tropes A To C as an example of Bloodless Carnage.
- In the span of Weiss Vs Mitsuru, Mitsuru actually manages to draw more blood from herself (via the Evoker) than she does from Weiss
In Jul 27th 2019, ironcommando edit the entry to following, with "Evokers don't draw blood." as edit reason.
- In the span of Weiss Vs Mitsuru, nobody lands any bloodletting hits despite both combatants being impaled at two different points of the battle.
Today, qwigly edit it back with "Someone probably should have told Torrian that, as there is very clearly a blood effect when she fires her Evoker." as edit reason.
- In the span of Weiss Vs Mitsuru, Mitsuru actually manages to draw more of her own blood than she does of Weiss's, via the Evoker..
As someone who played Persona 3, I can confirm that it doesn't draw blood. And rewatching that episode of Death Battle, it's not really look like blood either.
openSuperfluous Roleplay indexes? Web Original
So, I asked this questions in the comments under an earlier ATT query but didn't get a reply, so I'll ask again: what exactly is the difference between Forum Role Plays and Play-by-Post Games? The former page just seems like a worse version of the latter, being simply a bare index, whereas the other page actually explains what makes this medium special.
I feel like the contents of the former index should just be merged with latter, and the page itself cut.
openIndexing Web Original
So i've created a couple new pages and have been trying to add them to their specific indexes, but I can't find the index that they belong too. Like I've been trying to add the Web Video/fan works page to the fanfiction index, but I can't find the fanfiction index itself because everytime I go to the its index, it is just the overview page of what fanfiction is. I feel like i'm doing something wrong. Please help
openI accidentally forgot to mark a spoiler Web Original
In my most recent edit for this page, I accidentally shared a spoiler in my reason for it. It was supposed to be marked, but I guess it slipped my mind. Could someone please fix this for me? I'd do it myself, but I don't know how.

Kelekona
left a review for Protectors of the Plot Continuum
, which is basically them importing personal drama from their interactions with the authors and not actually reviewing the work itself.
I flagged the review for drama importation, and Very Melon left a couple comments criticizing the review for that. Kelekona then decided to make a YMMV page for them, accusing them of being "pro-bullying". So now, this has descended into personal attacks against other users on the site.
Edited by chasemaddigan