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openReadding of a non-character trope Videogame
I took down Ambiguous Situation entries in Characters.Kingdom Hearts Supporting Originals (and a few other non-character trope entries), but Sir Adamus readded one and without leaving an edit reason (under the Subject X folder, to be exact)
.
Just thought I'd bring it up here as I didn't want to risk an Edit War even if there's no issue with taking down non-character tropes from character pages itself.
openEdit War in YMMV/Super Smash Bros Ultimate Videogame
A while back I noticed this from YMMV.Super Smash Bros Ultimate:
- This would later be downplayed in Castlevania: Grimoire of Souls where Simon initially displays this attitude towards Alucard, commenting on the dark powers from within him are on-par with Dracula's, only for Alucard to remind Simon that he once fought alongside Trevor Belmont, and comments on both Maria, Shanoa, and Charlotte's impressive abilities in magic.
This was a lone third level bullet "reply" to another example under Memetic Psychopath, which was what first stood out as incorrect Example Indentation. Then looking at the text itself it was all about another game's characterization of Simon and nothing to with Simon in Smash Bros. Ultimate. So I removed
it citing both reasons in the Edit Reason.
Tailikku then put it back
showing misunderstanding of both reasons in their Edit Reason.
I PMed them telling them the reasons the entry is incorrect, but they did not respond. So I decided to bring it up here, and checking the Page History again I noticed Tailikku was the one that added the entry
in the first place, so they're also Edit Warring.
resolved Possible EditWar on Characters/KingdomHeartsEnemyCreatures Videogame
In January 2019, both Phoenixion and Mattman_the_Storyteller deleted tropes that suggested that Commantis is actually a Brainwashed and Crazy spirit. Both gave edit
reasons
that said, basically, that the game itself gave no evidence to this.
In October, Aurawick added
the tropes back with no edit reason.
Personally, I agree with both Phoenixion and Mattman_the_Storyteller. Looking back, there is no evidence in game for the tropes. But since the tropes were added back without a reason, is this an Edit War?
Edited by SailorTardisopenHelp me find tropes for a Psychopath! Videogame
So there is a character who is really weird, even comical if he wasn't so dangerous. He is not The Sociopath, although he appears to be trying.
The description describes him as follows:
"Alonso Graves is a man disturbed. A former soldier of the Empire, war transformed his soul forever. The disdain and misanthropy within him can only momentarily be silenced by the blood of his former masters. Believing himself now to be a god, he is intent on "freeing" all he can from the shackles of human existence."
In game, Alsonso is the weakest of the "Expert" AI in his game, Anno 1800. He is utterly unpredictable and may declare war if he feels like it, but he is not someone with a Chronic Backstabbing Disorder.
This makes it hard to find proper tropes for him.
Edited by Lyefyre
The Quiet One (he/him)
openMoving a page to Useful Notes Videogame
A while back (maybe around two or so years ago), in the TLP crash rescue thread, I brought up VideoGame.Game Genie since it lacks trope examples. I said I thought it should be moved to UsefulNotes.Game Genie, since it's a way to tinker with games' code, rather than being a game itself. Only one person responded; Fighteer said he agreed with that idea, but that post wasn't marked as a mod statement (i.e., the post wasn't highlighted in red/pink), so I wasn't sure if I had permission.
Would moving the page to Useful Notes require a TRS thread, or is posting this on ATT enough? VideoGame.Mii was moved to UsefulNotes.Mii earlier this year without TRS, but I don't know if the consensus was gathered on ATT or the forums, so I wasn't sure.
Edit: It looks like VideoGame.Game Shark is in the same boat as VideoGame.Game Genie.
Edited by GastonRabbitopenMisuses of the POV Cam trope Videogame
So, one thing I have noticed while cleaning up the Video Game pages is that P.O.V. Cam trope is sometimes just stuck onto any game that's played from a first-person perspective. Here's the latest example: Your Toy.
I mean, that's textbook Trope Decay, right? Given its relative prominence (this is like the fifth time I see this, and I am sure doing a wick search will reveal a few more), should we outright amend the trope page itself to clarify that's 'not what it's meant to be about?
openCustom Title misuse Videogame
Okay, I'm perplexed... the page for the fangame VideoGame.Fredbear And Friends has a custom title that turns it to "Fazbear and Friends". This is a misuse of the system; the work page itself seems to confirm the title is Fazbear and Friends, so I don't know why it was put in a different Wiki Word in the first place.
Before moving it, though, I noticed the page has lots of wicks, and there's also a WebAnimation.Fazbear And Friends page already existing.
Anybody has an idea how this situation came to be?
openUndertale cleanup page Videogame
I want to discuss something that's about a general cleanup page for potentially every Undertale page. Specifically, I want to remove lines in articles where the tropers themselves refer the players who do the Genocide route a Complete Monster, or something similar to that, without it being an example of when the game itself is trying to make the player feel like a Complete Monster.
openUnreliable WhatCouldHaveBeen Videogame
Trivia.Fallout New Vegas has two What Could Have Been entries that I can't find any sources supporting. While early demos do show the Strip as all one zone, I can't find anything saying this was the case for Freeside, though there are some Dummied Out Freeside NPCs like beggars and pickpockets.
- The Mysterious Stranger would have teleported in and instantly killed you if you tried to target the Lonesome Drifter in VATS.
- The New Vegas Strip and Freeside used to be whole zones by themselves. Early showcases of the game showed of the whole Strip, and it is also rendered that way in the intro cinematic. Freeside itself was a single massive zone, including a number of no-name generic NPCs and the Mormon Fort having open gates. Both instances were "sectioned off" due to the Xbox 360 and Play Station 3 not having the necessary processing power to render all the NPCs running around the Strip and Freeside without some serious slowdown or even game crashes. The Strip just had two gaudy scrap metal gates separating it into three zones. Freeside, however, got hit harder: fences/gates made from junked buses, the Mormon Fort was made its own zone, and NPCs were cut to reduce the memory problems. Appropriately, there are a pair of mods that convert the Strip and Freeside to their early open area builds.
openEtiquette of Taking Charge in a Small Article Videogame
Hello,
I've been a trafficker on the site for a bit before finding small ways I could add to articles, whether it be fixing small mistakes I can find, or adding a few new tropes to not very well-known series.
The page for the video game Walking On A Star Unknown is sparse and had a bit of weird grammar (I did a little bit of editing myself for some wording, as well as adding a few tropes, an image, and a quote- both very general ones from the translator's site). I am interested in taking more liberty and adding a character page, as well as moving tropes that fit characters from the main page to simplify and improve the article.
Since it is quite a small, not yet too-popular game, I assume it would be alright for me to take charge with this? I am not too sure on the etiquette of making large improvements without prior consulting to a larger audience myself, and if I have already stepped over the line by adding a photo and quote, I admit fault (and am more than willing to change it myself if there are any issues.)
In addition, is it preferred that I edit in chunks, or in one or two larger edits? My flow is currently to add bits and pieces at a time, though I could always change this to be one large edit if it is more convenient.
Apologies that this is so long and in depth, I didn't think more background info would hinder anything, I hope. Thank you! Papurika
openOkage Title Videogame
The page for Okage is incorrectly titled. The real title is Okage: Shadow King, you can even see it on the poster in the page itself. Requesting approval to move everything to the proper namespace.
Edited by DelphineTheDelphoxopenQuestion regarding a Dethroning moment Videogame
Kibchi has added a DethroningMoment.Video Games moment that I felt got way too personal to qualify:
- Kibchi here. My current moment for me is how Nintendo handled the casting for Three Houses. First they get Edelgard a new voice actor (and don't even tell us why,) and then they replace Byleth's with a total novice over Tumblr drama. Chris confessed to a lot of abuse, (that happened because people decided to emotionally abuse him badly enough he was suicidal,) and violated his NDA (by talking in a closed circle of friends, apparently) so they replaced him with this guy who's barely old enough to drink. This lack of transparency and their desperate cling to their image is utterly disgusting. The Nintendo Ninjas have lost their right to call themselves ninja- Only the most despicable scum would kick a suicidal man when he's down. This attempt to whitewash their image is just making it worse. I'd pre-ordered the game before it happened, so I couldn't just cancel my order on release day, but I'm not buying any DLC. Also, I'm not updating the game. The Day One patch can go fuck itself.
This DMOS has nothing to do with the game itself and kinda constitute as a real life example yet the troper readded it back despite being previously removed twice due to not being a fictional moment.
Edited by Loekman3openEdit War in Super Smash Bros. Videogame
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.SuperSmashBros&more=t
Here's a courtesy link.
The troper Dragon Ranger keeps changing the words that describe Dragon Quest's Hero away from noting the "characters" represented. Officially on Twitter, Sakurai does mention he uses specific designs for the characters, while Smash itself does not actually use anything but Hero. We however don't have a release of the character at all. Do note more than one person is involved.
Relevant links;
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.SuperSmashBros#edit23510343
Changed but gave an edit reason as to why by Dragon Ranger. This should've been brought to the Discussion however.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.SuperSmashBros#edit23352709
Changed without an edit reason at all by Senior Cornholio.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.SuperSmashBros#edit23275323
This was beforehand by Dragon Ranger, also with no edit reason. Meaning that he didn't think to actually take it to Discussion at any point. I do not know if he has edit warred before.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.SuperSmashBros#edit23271822
Edited to input the names, by Ause.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.SuperSmashBros#edit23270942
Dragon Ranger is the first one to put the line. Which makes some of this jarring. This is more protecting the article than actually making a proper attempt at discussion.
openNSFW warnings? Videogame
Would it be okay to add warnings for links that could be potentially NSFW but nothing explicit?
I would like to add an example to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate under Hilarious in Hindsight that involves a link to deviantart (You can already tell where this is going) and the link contains some....fetish art. Would it be ok to add a warning for any readers who might click the link as it could squick people if they're not prepared or into it?
Side note the picture itself is fine but the users page contains some racy art so would it be appropriate to post a link with a warning, just the image itself (which I'm hesitant as it doesnt give the creator credit), no link at all, or just axe the example altogether?
openDoes my entry have too much word cruft in it, or might be a bit too emotionally biased? Videogame
I've remade the Half-Quake entry over in Video Games, due to the entry I made before that being way too-run on and inconsisntent. I want to make sure I'm avoiding word-cruft and overly emotionally-charged content. Here's the entry I made so that way if there's any errors I've made, either regarding typos or not following the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment, it'll be here and not in some awkward place.
- The Half-Life mod trilogy "Halfquake", can be very difficult to sit through due to it's bleak message of "Life makes no sense, and you may as well just kill yourself" it tells you from the get-go, as well as it's murky-gray visuals after the first part. However, each of the three mods themselves carry varying degrees of overwhelming darkness that can be difficult to sit though just by themselves:
- The first mod, HalfQuake, stands as the least darkest part of the trilogy, but that really isn't saying much considering that you won't see much of anything that isn't either an enemy, concrete and/or steel, or lava. It also happens to be the only part of the trilogy that gives you a HUD, as well as the classic run/gun action of the first Half-Life game. The fact that throughout the mod, you can't escape the facility is made rather clear in a section where you sneak through the backrooms and into a house, only to be dumped right back into the trap-laden path uncerimoniously with a message aptly saying "you cannot escape, dumbass (sic)". You also end up getting killed right after you defeat the boss of the mod, Somos, which is also how the other two parts end as well.
- The second part, Halfquake: Amen, takes a swan-dive right into darkness as well as dump most of anything related to conventional FP Ses out the window. Most of the time spent throughout Amen will be either though the life or death chambers, semi-lonely atmospheric enviorments, or deadly traps/puzzles the first game uses. Whilst the captors in the first game made humourously dark remarks about the situation you're in, Amen ramps up the "dark" part, but not the "humorous", leaving you to deal with cruel and unpleasant people after cruel and unpleasant people. Amen also provides music for some of the parts you'll be going through (including an ending song, "Half-Quake Theme), the songs themselves rather downbeat, both in music and lyrical content.
- The third entry in the series, Sunrise, gameplay-wise, is where the series really starts to become an exersise in futility, the deadly puzzles and trap-laden hallways really starting to ramp up in this iteration. The few splashes of color that the previous two games had, aside from camoes near the end, are now entirely gone, save for a really, really light blue. Story-wise, aside from the final boss and a few disembodied voices, there's no NP Cs to interact with in Sunrise at all, your only form of breaking this sheer emptiness being a "Victim Message Box", which introduces to the only 3 people you'll be hearing from consistently throughout the mod: A guy voice who wants you dead and taunts you, a crazed man rambling about a cogwheel named "Mary", and getting angry at you when you're unable to find her (not that any cogwheels you can grab appear in the mod), and a lady who really hates you and wants you dead. The pitch-black atmosphere of Amen is also present as ever here, and doesn't stop for any moments of levity.
- Half Quake's spinoff, "Personal Halfquake", is directly based on Amen and a bit of the original Half_Quake, as well as having updated to support some of Sunrise, and it proves to be just as dark as the main game. Most of the game is spent stealing people from what's implied to be places that haven't done any wrong, and placing them in similarly made trap-laden hallways the Half-Quake trilogy features. Most of the places you go to are all managed by slaves, who have either been broken beyond repair, or are jerks who loathe your guts. The "Chosen Victim" mechanic involves kidnapping one of your victims, and inducing Stockholm Syndrome in them, allowing you to do paticularly cruel things to them.
openInvoked YMMV Videogame
SasquatchX added this to Characters.Super Smash Bros Ultimate 70 To 75 in the Hero's folder:
- Germans Love David Hasselhoff: Invoked Trope, as the inclusion of Eight among the playables is this. Sakurai makes mention in his interview regarding the acquisition of the Heroes of Eight's status being the one that western audiences are most likely going to recognize.
This isn't proper use of Invoked Trope isn't it? Using it for YMMV items is for when said item occurs within the narrative itself, not when it is used as a reason from Word of God for including something within a work.
Edited by homogenizedopenCharacter Page for VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Videogame
The character page for Fire Emblem Heroes has mostly characters from the game itself but a few characters from the games before it. My question is, and I asked this in the Discussion tab a few months ago but nobody responded, would it be smarter to just make character pages for the different playable characters based on their home game? We do that to an extent for games like Heroes of the Storm and Fate/Grand Order where they have characters from existing works given a character page, but not Fire Emblem Heroes.
openIndentation example I need clarification for Videogame
This is for the Dissidia Opera Omnia page and to also be wary of any indentation issues I've come across that lead to my suspension.
So far, I've planned to do a portion on Thancred's Folder for the character pages of DFFOO in this format:
- Charge Meter: Thancred's new mechanic via his EX Ability's passive which nods to how ninjas work back in FFXIV as a Mythology Gag. A scroll icon with a number above his head (and above any buffs placed on him) will indicate how much "Ninki" (lit. Stealth Qi/Ki) he has left. The following actions below described interact with the number like so:
- Using his normal BRV Attack or HP Attack when under 3 stacks will raise his Ninki counter up to 1, while using either Jugulating Wasp or Shadow Fang will grant 2 stacks instead.
- If up to 3 stacks, his BRV Attack will be enhanced by his Ninki, where it deals higher damage to poisoned targets, has high chance of a 4 turn poison infliction on the target, and allows his next skill usage to be zero cost on his next turn. However, using it will consume the Ninki amount by 3.
- His EX Ability also turns into a plus version of itself where it can overflow up to 200% Max BRV instead of the normal 120% when at 3 Ninki stacks or higher, but will also consume 3 Ninki likewise when used.
Is this formatting plausible? I might replace the Charge Meter trope part with something else if I can find a better substitute.
Edited by SneaselSawashiro

On the Pyramid Head section on Silent Hill
, The Anti-Villain section has a point of "He's still plenty hostile towards him, though, and if one is to follow the interpretation of him found here, he's certainly malicious as well." This reads like 'this theory is canon', which is generally looked down upon, and I still want to remove the intrerpretation bit since it feel like it doesn't belong. Should I remove? I'm not sure that he's totally malicious, since he's a manifestation of James' guilt and sense for justice and guides him along throughout the game, this is even furthered at how you can just ignore PH on his boss fights for a few minutes then he leaves or kill himself.
On the Humans are White section on Frost Punk
: "Not only is every human in the game white, but almost all of them are British. The only exceptions are the handful of Americans who survived the fall of Tesla City and the Norwegian Fridtjof Nansen. Perhaps justified because all but one of the Generators was built by the British Empire, which in real life was quite racist and willing to sacrifice its non-white subjects when expedient. " The bolded section isn't about the game, like it's trying to bring up sensitive subjects just because. Should I remove?
Edited by Raddishes