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openGame book Pages - Cleansing Required?
I've actually brought this up with another moderator, but decide to bring it here for a ... uhm, let's say, broader opinion, shall we?
So... on the Gamebooks main page
, there is a page dedicated for the What If… (Gamebooks), and its divided into 9 sub-pages of the various instalments.
Which is fine and all if the person who started the sub-pages bothered to make it complete, however its really, really noticeable that the sub-pages are unprofessionally written, severely lacking in details, and some of them doesn't even have tropes. And if it did, each page contains at most 2 to 4 tropes, which begs the question, do we really need these pages?
All those pages are started by Sideshow Jazz 1 3 years ago, and said troper have not been updating the pages he/she started. (circa 2017)
I'm suggesting we consolidate all the books into 1 page (like this one for Give Yourself Goosebumps) and send the rest to the Cutlist. What do you think??
Edited by RobertTYLopenVandalism in WhatCouldHaveBeen/Sports
Trooper Triple TV 95 has been removing the player names from the basketball section of What Could Have Been/Sports. I reverted the edits the last two times myself and warned him he'd be reported if it happened again.
He claimed to have no idea what I was talking about.
He did it again, today. No reasoning or explanation.
Edited by Willbyropen Weird Documentary Series?
Does anyone recall a TV show around 10 years ago that shows individual people filming themselves in recluse places around the world..... but something goes terribly wrong.... and they disappear? I watched the episodes when I was younger and am eager to show my partner the series that has stayed on my mind so long. I really only remember two episodes distinctly, but like I said, they were good enough to stick in my memory for this long One episode features a guy who is making a documentary, but it is not 'professional.' it really looked like some guy took a camera with him and filmed himself. for the most part of the episode, you really only see him from the chest up. however, some way through the episode, he is 'attacked' by something (which you don't see on camera) and you later see him document his wounds. through the progression of the episode, this man slowly becomes sick (im pretty sure he mentions that something similar to a kimodo dragon attacked him, and because they have so much bacteria in their mouth, he quickly becomes sick). the end of the episode is a caption that 'the man was never found, but this footage was recorded ect' THATS THE FIRST EPISODE. THE NEXT IS MY FAVOURITE
This episode features a woman who is on the ocean with her boat, she is filming herself in a very similar way to the man in the episode previously, but hers is more like a video blog. continuing on with her story, something happens to the womans boat which stops it from running anymore (I think the propeller broke or something) this woman puts her wetsuit on ect, and ATTACHES THE CAMERA TO THE FRONT OF HER WETSUIT/VEST so you can only see an up-close-and-personal view of her neck, nose, mouth and eyes. anyway, she climbs down the ladder into the water to see what had happened to the propeller, but something come out of the water and she is dragged under. the camera is submerged in water and you see a huge amound of bubbles. the video ends and the same caption is showed at the end of the episode 'the woman was never found, but this footage was recorded' (or something to that extent) the next thing that happened in the episode after the caption is there is video of a camera in the water and people speaking a foreign language (i believe they were of 'asian' descent and it was some sort of a falling-apart fishing boat). they pick the camera up out of the water and look at it (so its an upclose shot of a man looking into the lense). the video cuts out. after that theres a video of someone filming their boat (like you were looking from his perspective) coming to an abandoned boat floating in the ocean. the people on this video are speaking English, however and talk about how weird it is that the boat is empty. they yell at the boat, trying to make contact with the occupants, but of course there is no one on board. they travel around the boat and you can hear people exclaim at bloody hand prints that they see on the side of the boat. the episode ends
I dont ever remember seeing more episodes like this, im pretty sure it was featured on Foxtel. I am 18 now, and i remember seeing this when i was between the ages of 8-9 (so 9-10 yrs ago) and the quality of the film was really poor, like someone is literally holding a camera up to their face and filming themselves. (i also live in australia and watched this in australia) It honestly stuck in my head so vividly beacuse of how REALISTIC the filming was, like it could be an actual event that happened and people have randomly discovered these video cameras lying around and released the videos found on them. I know its a long shot and i havent found anything on the internet remotely similar to what i have watched. this was my last shot at finding the Tv show or some of the film from it, because it was honestly quite cool. Please help if you can. MUCH APPRECIATED
- Trinity
openIs it better to move this example to Harsher in hindsight? Live Action TV
On Kitchen Nightmares S6 E15 "Amy's Baking Company" there is this entry:
- Epileptic Trees: Some netizens took Samy's obsessive control over the till, his pocketing of servers' tips, and his admonishing Gordon that "You're not the gangster here, I'm the gangster!" as signs that the restaurant was actually a money-laundering front for The Mafia, which would just raise even more questions.
- According to law enforcement sources, Samy was involved in drugs and extortion while in Europe, so it's not far off the mark.
- Which is questionable itself. If you were running a covert criminal operation, would you want these loud, incompetent assholes anywhere near it? Additionally, if the restaurant were involved in any criminal activity, the last thing they should ever, ever do is involve Gordon Ramsay and be on a show that is seen on national television.
- According to law enforcement sources, Samy was involved in drugs and extortion while in Europe, so it's not far off the mark.
The indentation and the natter have to be corrected of course, but doesn't it make more sense to move it to Harsher in Hindsight? I was thinking of removing the final entry, which is mere natter, and merge the first two together.
Edited by gc10openWho is Eddy Kariti? Possible Misinformation Troll
Courtesy Link: Eddy Kariti, discussion page
and history of the page
I happened to look at the Cut List and someone, ~Spokuha, added Creator.Eddy Kariti on the cut list for "being a fraud" who allegedly has added himself to various wikis for the U.S. version of Being Human despite not actually showing up in the show. Here's a link to the guy's Twitter account.
(Though notably he isn't verified.) Apparently, Kariti played a character named "Randy Brooks" but on our Characters.Being Human UK and Characters.Being Human US pages there is no such character listed.
This is so strange.
The Creator/ page was made by ken-chicken (edits
), who also added the filmography section of the page. I just scanned IMDB's pages for the two Being Human series, the movie (Being Human: Unearthed), and an unrelated 1994 movie of the same name. "Randy" and "Eddy Kariti" are not listed among the "Full Cast & Crew" lists.
I'll PM Spokuha about this thread.
EDIT: This
seems to be the actor's IMDB page. I assume it's correctly a page for the same person in part because it lists the same person as being his father, but it could also be full of b.s.
Editing to add list of Creator/ pages made by ken-chicken:
There may be overlap with mahidevrans (edit history
showing similar interests in obscure creators like Creator.Berrak Tuzunatac, Creator.Tuncel Kurtiz, and Creator.Cansu Dere, though admittedly these are all Turks), who created a page for Painters and added this obscure Eddy Kariti person to the list in March 2019 (draft edit history
).
openA couple of editing requests
- First, can somebody please help me add tropes to Shin Megami Tensei: Persona? I decided to add tropes that cover the whole series, as I find it odd that such a popular and large series with a ton of tropes each didn't have tropes in its main page.
- Second, can someone please proofread the page for Not the intended use (Zantetsuken Reverse)? I wrote it entirely by myself (still incomplete, btw), so I'm not sure if I accidentally have misused a trope, have ZCEs or have bad indentation. A second view would be helpful.
openQueer Romance: trope or index?
Queer Romance does indexing, but it's treated like a trope on the page itself, complete with commenting out of ZCEs (which, if it's supposed to be functioning as an index, should not actually be considered/treated as ZCEs)
openWhere to file examples from a show within a show
So I'm crosswicking Card Force Infection and I'm wondering if the examples of tropes in the in-universe card game should go in the Literature folder or the Tabletop Games folder?
It's never been published as a tabletop game, but the author does have a list of the full rules text for all the cards seen so far and enough of the game flow has been discussed in the story that one could put together and play the game, if one wanted to.
... For that matter, should tropes from the in-universe card game be separated out on the work page itself? I did it like that because I thought it looked nicer, but on reflection I'm not sure if it's the "correct" thing to do and I can't think of another game-within-a-story that's theoretically playable but not actually published like this one is to compare against.
Edited by wingedcatgirlopenWork in the wrong namespace Anime
Le Portrait de Petite Cossette is under Manga/, yet the article itself (and every other source) says it is an original OVA and the manga came later. Can I move the page to Anime/ and turn Manga/ into a redirect?
openLow-Trope Characters Sheets
Is there a minimum amount of tropes a Character Sheet entry should have and be commented out otherwise (and not of the self-evident kind that can't really be developed further because the character isn't given much to do)?
resolved Famous Last Words
I noticed some people have said that Famous Last Words is too broad and often includes numerous examples of "things people happened to say before they died." I admit, I myself have added such examples. Is there an official rule on what can be included?
openConcerned about an edit I made
So on the fanworks page for My Hero Academia, I just removed a link for a fanfic called My Hero Academia Butterfly due to it being a redlink. However, this is the second time I've done so and I'm worried that doing so qualifies as edit warring. Both times it was added it was by separate tropers, but the redlink today was up for three hours with no attempt to make the page itself, and the first time the redlink was up for a full day. I'll admit it's kinda frustrating that no attempt was made to remedy the redlink and make it a bluelink as far as I've seen, but I'm worried that I broke a rule in removing it a second time.
openA character listed under seemingly contradictory tropes... Live Action TV
So, going on a wiki-walk, I noticed something rather strange. The tropes Apologises a Lot and The Unapologetic would certainly seem to be contradictory tropes. The strange thing I noticed? Dean Winchester from Supernatural is listed under both.
I kinda get it? It's a long runner with a lot of character development; some arcs/seasons/episodes he's unrepentant about any of his antics (mostly earlier in the series), sometimes he's very repentant and says so (mostly later in the series). With 'Apologises a Lot', the editor lists 'self-blame' as the reason he's there — which to my mind isn't quite the same thing as being apologetic. The editor for 'The Unapologetic' lists lines like 'I'd do it again' and 'I made the right call', which are true lines, but the kind that, honestly, I feel come from a lot of characters on the show at various points. Often enough, eventually apologizing for... completely disregarding other characters viewpoints by being unapologetic?
I felt like I needed some more viewpoints here to get an idea of what if anything to do, if anything, and what process to follow. Since Discussion pages don't seem to get a lot of use and it affects more than one trope, I thought I'd bring it here. I'm not sure Dean belongs on either page. I might be more inclined to remove him from 'Apologises a Lot', if I were judging it.
Edited by PointMaidopenConflicting entries on YMMV.MyHeroAcademia Anime
- Americans Hate Tingle:
- Mineta is reasonably popular in Japan, reaching 17th place on the first popularity poll, but many Western fans loathe him with a passion thanks to him being an obnoxious, cowardly, and tasteless idiot whose Dirty Kid antics are a walking sexual harassment suit waiting to happen, and are wondering why the hell it hasn't gotten him expelled, because creeping on women the way he does is taken extremely seriously in American high schools. Most of them are praying for the day where he either 1) turns evil, 2) dies, or 3) turns evil and then dies so he could be replaced in Class 1-A by Shinso. The fact that Horikoshi has openly admitted Mineta is one of his favorite characters doesn't help matters either. Although even he's losing fans in Japan after his extremely inappropriate comment to Eri.
- The Scrappy: Mineta has a sizable hatedom and tends to rank low on popularity polls. This seems to be attributed to his perverted antics, which to a lot of fans comes across as annoying and/or gross rather than funny, and his arrogant attitude and looking down on others (like Todoroki or Bakugo) despite bringing nothing substantial to anything himself. There's also the fact that his character is painfully underdeveloped compared to others, yet, Horikoshi confessed that he is one of his favorite characters, due to being easy and fun to draw, so he tends to get a lot of screentime and page-time compared to other "side characters" in the class. It doesn't help that he's had virtually zero plot relevance at all since his introduction and has very little character development or exploration in the class. Many fans desperately wish (and write Fix Fic where) he leaves Class 1-A and is replaced by Shinso.
The Scrappy and Americans Hate Tingle are mutally exclusive, so one of these entries have to go. The last paragraph in Americans Hate Tingle implies that he's gotten hate in Japan after the Eri incident, but dosen't say anything if he has recovered from that since then, or if it was a temporary thing.
I'm asking here to get a consensus on what to do, I also asked here
.
openLine of opinion acceptability in YMMV
Currently in a bit of a looming trope off with another involving the YMMV page for a fanfic.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/PokemonShadowOfTime
There are two people troping on it, myself and another, and I want to add this trope to YMMV
- Fight Scene Failure: There are many things the fic does that Reset and Ashes do as well. Some of them Shadow of Time does better. Fight scenes...are not one of them. The fights in general are a lot shorter and less descriptive than the fight scenes in either fic.
The other is very much not for it. This is his comment on the matter
'Fight Scene Failure' is purely a matter of opinion, so I don't think it applies here; at least They Copied It acknowledges that only some have that view.
...I asked a mod and I was told to bring it up here. So...here I am.
openProblematic edit in YMMV.YandereSimulator
Recently, the troper Hashiriya R 23 made this
edit on YMMV.Yandere Simulator. Basically, he removed examples relating to YandereDev being annoyed about emails because:
"Removed all mentions of the "email issue" because it's becoming very clear at this point that the issue was a fabricated excuse from the get-go, and because the artwork that he used as an example of "kids sending in bad art" was drawn by someone that neither sent him an email, nor volunteered in the first place."
Even if this is true, these edits, from the top of the edit history, made one example not make grammatical sense, deleted an objective example, and turned an example into a ZCE.
Furthermore, Hashiriya has had a history of problematic edits on the page. In particular, he added a bunch of memes that were memeing about Yanderedev himself, instead of the game, which we have since deleted.
Edited by KappaclysticaopenShould there be a Complete Angel trope?
This trope would be the exact opposite of Complete Monsters. A Complete Angel is a character that is very pure of heart. They've committed selfless acts, they are forgiving, incorruptible, and overall extremely nice. I'm pretty sure theres a lot of characters who would fit the Complete Angel trope.

I just want to go ahead and say I don't watch Supergirl so I have no two cents in this one way or the other.
So on Supergirl, there's a character named William who apparently is not liked at all by the fanbase. I suppose that in and of itself is fine to put on YMMV pages since it's a notable Audience Reaction, but there seems to be a problem with bashing rather than just stating. Specifically, Starbrand 1987 has made many, many edits just talking about how much fans hate William. (They also have several grammar problems like no punctuation and no capitalization, but that's beside the point.)
Here
Starbrand adds And The Fandom Rejoiced about William possibly dying. Here
they put in an entry saying that William flirting with Kara after she turned him down on an episode that aired on International Woman's Day...is Narm.
Most of it is here
on the YMMV page. Starbrand puts a large edition to an entry talking about how poorly-received William is, an entry about how his actor and Kara's actress have no chemistry, adding William and Kara's romance under Audience-Alienating Premise ("Not one regular supergirl media reviewer approves of the relationship."), basically accusing the writers under Trolling Creators, and several subbullets under The Scrappy that got deleted.
Forenperser has deleted some entries, but with the reasons "Stop this silly obsession already." and "Natter, poorly written and just plain obsession," I'm afraid this is going to get hostile soon. They were reported to ATT before
, but it seems they're still at it.
Edited by iamconstantine