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openSparkle Sparkle Sparkle Western Animation
From YMMV.Moana:
- Moana may be secretly a fan of The Nostalgia Critic (or Thomas And The Magic Railroad), as revealed by her scene in Tamatoa's cave when she's trying to get the crab's attention.note The Critic himself had to quell rumors that this was a direct reference by pointing out that Rob and Doug Walker have been fairly consistent credits in Disney movies since the pair were children.
Moana: "Sparkle, sparkle, sparkle..."
- Moana may be secretly a fan of The Nostalgia Critic (or Thomas And The Magic Railroad), as revealed by her scene in Tamatoa's cave when she's trying to get the crab's attention.note The Critic himself had to quell rumors that this was a direct reference by pointing out that Rob and Doug Walker have been fairly consistent credits in Disney movies since the pair were children.
Since Doug Walker a)didn't invent this phrase, and b)lobbied at least one hypocritical complaint against Moana, would anyone mind if I removed any reference to him from this entry, if not the whole thing?
openRed links to the Back to the Future novel Literature
Lately, I've been seeing links to the article for George Gipe's novelization of Back to the Future as a Red Link, like so. However, the page itself is still intact. Worried about the page being cut, I took no chances and moved all of the examples from that page to the page for B to the F: The Novelization of the Feature Film in case. I checked the Recent Cuts page
, but it's not there. I checkd the Cut List page
, but it's not there either. Can someone tell me whether it's actually being cut or not?
openOkage Title Videogame
The page for Okage is incorrectly titled. The real title is Okage: Shadow King, you can even see it on the poster in the page itself. Requesting approval to move everything to the proper namespace.
Edited by DelphineTheDelphoxopenPotential Fake Entry
Found this entry on "https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheProductionCurse
", think that it is very likely to be fake because 1) there is a playwright called Lawrence Wright but his earliest play dates to 2005 2) no evidence I can find online of a play called "On With the Show" written by a Lawrence Wright 3) Entry itself reads too much like a creepypasta anyway.
"When Lawrence Wright put his thirteenth play on the stage in 1938 titled On With The Show, he avoided prompting fear among traditionally superstitious actors by saying that it was actually his fourteenth. The fates now thwarted, he went ahead. First, the theatre burnt down and all the props were destroyed. On the replacement smaller pavilion one musician slipped and sprained his wrist while two others were rushed away with gastric troubles. A main character lost his voice while another had to have all his teeth pulled out, leaving him helpless throughout the run. A dancer was ordered to take complete rest, two members of the chorus suffered from sprained ankles and a separate dancer fell upstairs and hurt her leg. The manager collapsed one day while the wardrobe organiser fell and sprained her arm. It was then discovered that there were thirteen people in the cast, thirteen musicians in the band and thirteen songs in the show."
resolved Edit War ...Death Battle again Web Original
In Jul 23rd 2019, qwigly added this to DeathBattle.Tropes A To C as an example of Bloodless Carnage.
- In the span of Weiss Vs Mitsuru, Mitsuru actually manages to draw more blood from herself (via the Evoker) than she does from Weiss
In Jul 27th 2019, ironcommando edit the entry to following, with "Evokers don't draw blood." as edit reason.
- In the span of Weiss Vs Mitsuru, nobody lands any bloodletting hits despite both combatants being impaled at two different points of the battle.
Today, qwigly edit it back with "Someone probably should have told Torrian that, as there is very clearly a blood effect when she fires her Evoker." as edit reason.
- In the span of Weiss Vs Mitsuru, Mitsuru actually manages to draw more of her own blood than she does of Weiss's, via the Evoker..
As someone who played Persona 3, I can confirm that it doesn't draw blood. And rewatching that episode of Death Battle, it's not really look like blood either.
openStraight Gay doesn't sound right
Straight Gay just sound Oxymoronic when the trope itself is about having non stereotypical gay traits. And the picture itself doesn't do a good job as well.
Edited by WhirlRXopenEntry from "Murphy's Bullet" that I think Really Should Be Removed
Found this in Murphy's Bullet, and, well, just look at it yourself:
"- Subverted in the Battle of Mogadishu (as seen in Black Hawk Down), where the sheer massive amounts of gunfire directed at the US troops largely missed as a result of not even bothering to aim (or sometimes even looking). It was the few trained militia, taking the time to aim well, that actually hit the US troopers. — Reports from the battlefield generally support the assertion that Third World soldiers have almost no comprehension of marksmanship - those that do tend to have been taught by Western advisors. Even American performance is degenerating as our forces fill up with videogame players instead of squirrel hunters."
Honestly, I do not believe that Real Life should even have any Subversions and Aversions at all, and the second entry is just bad.
openDefensive bashing
KJ Tropes' recent edits on Trish Stratus have been pretty defensive and complaining/insulting.
Their entry for Medal of Dishonor doesn't seem too bad in and of itself (assuming that's an okay trope to list) but their edit reason, "Don't say, "Trish wasn't actually in the match, she didn't deserve that." The whole mess could have been avoided if it had been a Bradshaw-Nowinski singles match. Bradshaw may be an asshole, but he had about a decade of experience at that point (he debuted in 1992), so he and Chris could have held the match together." seems needlessly defensive and unrelated.
After this, their entry for Screw the Rules, I'm Beautiful! includes her starting the "Molly Holly 'big ass' garbage" and including her fans dismissing criticisms, which again seems unrelated. The edit reason is "This is the truth. You can not claim that what I described did not happen."
Edited by iamconstantineopenHelp!
Problem fixed
Just stumbled upon Shōnen Hair, which needed some major scrubbing. Though it looks good from the editing window, the page itself...err...something went very wrong. Please help!
Edit: Please note, all I did was delete some natter and potholes, change some indentation around, and hit Shift+5 a lot. None of it should've swallowed the page...was it Data Vampires?
Edit 2: Can't be. Copy+Pasted the source into a sandbox and the same thing happened in preview. :(
Edited by WarJay77openAudience sympathy on Granbelm
Troper Hikaru Hyouishi wrote some lengthy arguments for Unintentionally Sympathetic and Unintentionally Sympathetic about Anna and Shingetsu in the YMMV of Granbelm.
Spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't watched the show.
- Unintentionally Sympathetic: ANNA, dear lord. While she is one of the major antagonists of the series, thanks to her backstory during episode 6, many fans ended up siding with her due to Shingetsu (one of the protagonists) and her own mother keeping the truth about her lack of power from her for years. While The Stinger at the end of the episode showed that not only did she attempt to murder her own mother, but that she stole her family's crystal to do nothing more than to torture Shingetsu until she saw fit, her sympathy shot through the roof in the very next episode thanks to Shingetsu's utter lack of understanding that not only was her complaining about how she didn't like being a mage and wanting to get rid of the magic to save Anna from the burden of expectations basically crushing the latter's dreams of being The Witch because she personally didn't like it (while being ignorant of the fact that Anna actually wanted to be that powerful for her family's sake), but her "help" in getting Anna to stop fighting in the GRANBELM and remind her that her family still loves her was basically throwing the great difference between their strengths in Anna's face (which was one of the major reasons for Anna's hatred towards Shingetsu in the first place), as shown by the fact that during their final battle, she deliberately stalled the final blow twice before finishing Anna off with the third one. Because of these reasons, Shingetsu ended up coming off as not only hypocritical of why she wanted to help Anna but also ignorant of how her selfish actions ended up tearing Anna's once loving family apart. That ended up leading her to be...
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: While Shingetsu's burden of having high expectations due to her potentially high magic is understandably rough and that getting rid of said magic because of the potentially dangerous misuse that anyone can do with it is also an understandable goal to have, what started to put fans against her was the fact that she basically kick-started Anna's spiral to the mess she is today by secretly helping her perform a technique that her mother and grandmother couldn't do out of good intentions...which led to Anna believing that she was more powerful than she was. That ended up making Anna's own mother and Shingetsu telling her that she could never beat the latter without telling her why out of their love for her, making Anna think that they valued Shingetsu more than her. This went on for about a decade before the truth was finally spoken...with nearly disastrous results During the battle between her and Anna in the next episode, we're shown that she does feel remorse for her actions and that she wants to make amends, but what rallied fans against her even more was that for all that she said about loving Anna and not wanting to put any burdens on her, it was her utter lack of understanding that for all her complaints about her magic, she never really understood that what she had was all that Anna had ever wanted, and to see that in the process of being thrown away forever because she personally didn't like it felt like a slap to Anna's entire reason for living. It really didn't help that her method of getting Anna to back out of the GRANBELM and realize that there was more to life than being a mage was to throw the huge differences between their strengths in her face.
While I admit Hikaru does make some arguments, these entries look a bit too long to be taken seriously and come across as a bit biased. I'd like to remind everyone here that TV Tropes is not an echo chamber people can use to say whatever you want and not expect any consequences. I do believe there is a time, a place and a way to express those feelings, but this is not one of them.
Edited by MasterHeroopenDo Zero Context Examples apply to Awesome Music?
A short while ago, I added some Alstroemeria Records recommendations to AwesomeMusic.Touhou Other Works, only for them to get commented out by mlsmithca for being Zero Context Examples with a notification from AnoBakaDesu shortly after. I was left baffled. I can understand giving context to tropes because that's the standard rule, but for music? I figured they're automatically self-explanatory with no need for context. The albums I posted are also very lengthy compilations of dance remixes so there was no way I can describe them all properly.
Courtesy link here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=AwesomeMusic.TouhouOtherWorks
openQuestion about Self-Fanservice
If an overweight character is turned skinny in fanart (but not sexualized in the slightest), would that be an example of Self-Fanservice, or something else?
Migrated to Chloe Jessica!
openPerma-locked pages that should be cut
i was looking at Locked Pages and i saw several pages that aren't permitted to exist by current site rules. im going to list them here.
- YMMV.Reddit - YMMV page for a website
- YMMV.Lily Orchard - YMMV page for a creator
- YMMV.The Red Pill - YMMV page for a website
- YMMV.Tumblr - YMMV page for a website
i think the proper thing to do is to cutlist them and request their removal from the Locked Pages page, which is itself locked. can a locked page be cutlisted without moderator permission?
Edited by razorrozar7open Very Suspicous Page
Analysis.Jason And The Argonauts was just created today and... it's nothing but a rhetorical question by troper pedro. I'm aware there's already a thread
for them specifically, which just leaves the page itself. I think it definitely needs to get cut.
open Please help me find this song :))
There’s this song I heard when I was younger, I used to use this app called video star where you can make your own videos with any song you’d like and kids and teens would make the music videos and post them on You Tube; that's how I found the song. I remember one part was about how her hair grew long then she cut it all off? I think it was about a girl he used to be with that he hadn’t seen in a while and her hair changed as well as herself.
openWMG in Fridge
We're not allowed to put what is essentially Wild Mass Guessing on Fridge/ subpages or entries, right? Square Peg Round Trope says this is the case with respect to Fridge Brilliance, at least, but I want to make sure. Note that Fridge Horror can also be a source of this; Fridge Logic doesn't suffer from that so much as overlap with Headscratchers.
These entries are what stick out in my mind:
Fridge Horror
- One popular theory posits on whether or not Mei was most likely molested when she was younger given her mannerisms and predatory ways towards Yuzu from the beginning. This is especially made worse when in one instance of trying to offer sex towards Yuzu after she learned that her father wouldn't return to the academy, she claims that she would be gentle as that was Yuzu's "first time."
- Given how it's later revealed that Mei is mimicking the behavior of others, this further reinforces this theory. The "I'll be gentle" comment was likely said to her or something she witnessed before.
This is explicitly noted to be a theory, and the example indentation violation for the sake of natter is not helping its case. The spoiler tag, by the way, is in the page itself and was not added by me.
Under Fridge Brilliance:
- How did Carne ever develop his stand? He can only summon it if he is killed off, so how did anyone ever discover his power? Why, is possible The Boss himself discovered it. He was possibly going to kill him but Epitaph warned him of Notorious B.I.G, so he changed his mind and turned him into a member of his elite squad.
This is clearly guessing. If this was in the story, it would have probably been more explicit. Nothing in the story indicates that this happened as described. Also, Carne did manifest his ability before he died, it's just that this was seemingly overlooked before the anime adapted the relevant arc for some reason.
openPro Wrestler Bashing
One issue I've been coming across a lot lately on pro wrestling pages are tropes and YMMV entries speaking negatively about the wrestler's personal lives rather than professional lives, which I know is not normally allowed on here. For example: the Alternative Character Interpretation on the YMMV pages for Shawn Michaels and Diamond Dallas Page are aimed at the person, not their characters. TLDR: It says that Michaels' Born-Again Christianity is an act and that DDP is a scam artist: For the full version:
- "After Shawn Michaels became a born again Christian in the early 2000s and had his second run, there's always been the nagging question of just how truly changed of a man he's become. Many think he's truly changed for the better and is no longer the Jerkass that he used to be in the 90s. However, others still think Shawn is still the same old prick he's always been but now he just manages to hide it better with religion. There have been many peers in the 2000s like Chris Jericho who say that HBK was a changed man after accepting God. Still, there have been some dissenting voices like Gregory Helms and Jim Cornette who believe that Shawn's just a fake with his "Born Again" attitude and if this interview given by Rob Van Dam
is anything to go by, Shawn can at the very least still be a bit of a jerk, albeit one who's a bit more backhanded and passive-aggressive than in the past. While there is a general consensus that he was a great wrestler in his 2000s run, that consensus becomes a bit more divided when people go into interpretations about how changed of a man he was in that era.
- A good example of the alternate interpretation would his ridiculous overselling in the match against Hulk Hogan at SummerSlam 2005. Many smarks applaud Michaels for standing up to the most hated politician in wrestling for supposedly refusing to put over him in a rematch. Had this been any other wrestler besides Hogan, they'd be calling Michaels a selfish, unprofessional ass for refusing to make his opponent look good. And indeed, Michaels would have gotten a phenomenal match out of the aging Hulkster had he not spent the match flopping around like a fish on meth. To turn an ultimate dream match into a comedy-fest out of spite for Hogan is not exactly admirable behavior, regardless of what Hogan may or may not have done to deserve it."
- "Page presented himself as a hard-working everyman who made good. He uses this persona in his DDP Yoga presentations. He put a lot of work in turning the lives of Jake Roberts and Scott Hall around no doubt; helping them towards addiction recovery and adopting a more healthy lifestyle. Roberts and Hall have both said that they're only alive because of DDP. However, a skeptic might point out that he conspicuously had cameras around to document these magnanimous acts to deliberately use them as marketing tools. DDP did definitely come from a humble background and work hard to get where he is; but he is also a very shrewd businessman and marketing mind. Those who knew him during his wrestling career have noted this when speaking about him in later years. Page and Eric Bischoff were former neighbors and friends (Bischoff even admitted that when he first met Page as a manager in AWA, he found Page to be annoying, obnoxious and more concerned with getting himself over than the guys he managed), and Page did exploit that connection to get some favorable treatment. (He was the first wrestler allowed to stand up to the nWo by Diamond Cutting the Outsiders, for example.) Ric Flair once said on a podcast that Page was a nice guy, but that he was a "smooth operator" who had a talent for getting himself over, "...and making you think it was your idea".
I'll admit that I contributed to these entrys (I didn't write them entirely, but the part about the Hogan scenario on Michaels and the Bischoff part on Page was my doing) but I've had a bit of a Heel Realization and was planning to delete them altogether, but they might be added back.
Further examples of this are the Broken Pedestal entry on Hulk Hogan's YMMV page (and Broken Pedestal isn't even an Audience Reaction:
- "He became this however to professional wrestlers and some fans after the aformented racism scandal. His reinstatement as of 2018 did not help things either, as his apology during his meeting with WWE's enployees was tainted with insincerity (basically he apologized that he got caught). Only time will tell if he is to become a Repaired Pedestal or remain broken."
And this Jerkass entry on Kevin Nash's page that is obviously calling Kevin Nash the person a Jerkass:
- "Pretty much a requirement to be part of the Kliq. He's a lazy, selfish, greedy, bullying creep who cares only about himself and his friends and shows no concern for the damage he does to whatever promotion he is in at the time."
So yeah, I think pro wrestling pages need a lot more monitoring. I'd do it myself, but I'm trying to distance myself from it because I feel I've sort of outgrown it. I get that the lines between reality and fiction in the wrestling world isn't as cut and dry as it is in other media—primarily because for so many years wrestlers lived their gimmicks and even today tend to fully live by the Do Not Call Me "Paul" trope. Either way, this stuff doesn't belong on these pages in my opinion.
openHow original does a creator's content need to be?
I would like to create a page for the YouTuber Pikasprey, but I'm wondering if his content is "original" enough? He has one lets-play channel and a second channel where he reviews weird games or discusses glitches/Easter eggs, and on a more specific note he does crazy self-imposed challenges in Pokemon (such as a ditto-only run).
Is that sort of content creative enough to warrant a page?
Edited by WarJay77

ThoughtComplex
has been leaving work for others to clean up. They often misuse tropes, most commonly on Jonathan Hickman's X-Men when it was created, when they were seemingly throwing anything on the page to fill it, which left work to clean up — they also engaged in speculative troping
, which had the same effect. When an entry they added was removed
, they re-added it under another trope
, obviously without checking that it was correct the second time.
They misused more tropes on the Jonathan Hickman's X-Men page that they created — which in and of itself is odd as the X-Men character pages are pretty neatly sorted for the most part, with individual works' character sheets usually linking to the main X-Men character sheet or the character's page at best — such as applying Ms. Fanservice to any female character that was drawn as attractive (which is the majority with one artist's style), even citing Male Gaze that doesn't exist.
They also used Dawn Of X as a place to vent, such as being insulted at the very IDEA of the X-Men sharing space with another franchise, which I changed when moving it to Jonathan Hickman's X-Men — they were also putting examples on the wrong pages for a while. They also added Soft Reboot on Jonathan Hickman's X-Men and said that a work was ignoring the 2010s comics — which they very clearly dislike — and referring to them in Broad Strokes... when the work was one issue old and referred to EVERYTHING in broad strokes because it's a first issue. They did the same on the trivia page.
Finally, they were massively misquoting creators to further their own speculation and project their own opinions as that of the creators. They said
Dawn of X was said to be tied to the X-Men in the MCU, which Hickman specifically said
his work wasn't. They said Hickman said
he hated the 2010s X-Men stories, which he makes no mention of based on a Google search.
It's been going on for a while but it seemed like it died down, but seemingly hasn't. Hopefully the links to specific edits works better for you guys, because I wanted to find specific examples because they edit these pages a lot.
Edited by FuzzyBarbarian