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open No Title
Troper XFllo left (commented out) discussion in the main body of the Call the Midwife character page
instead of bringing these examples up in discussion. I've never seen this done before and can't imagine it's allowed. Can we please get a revert? I'm willing to discuss their points on the discussion page but adding them into the main page itself seems..... wrong.
openDark Fic
The description to Dark Fic contains the lines "If the series was already dramatic and dark, it shouldn't really be here (e.g. it's impossible to make a dark fic of The Walking Dead unless you really take it to another level)." So, what's the criteria for this? For example, these examples from the Main page are from already dark series:
- Death Note:
- Death Note isn't exactly a cheerful story to begin with, but The Faceless explores the Fridge Horror of having a realm of Death Gods feeding off human lifespans all the time and what happens when humans learn this. They begin killing each other because of it, resulting in a Post Apocalyptic World of Nihilism.
- A Madman's Circus
is a Death Note Fusion Fic with Vocoloid's Dark Woods Circus where Beyond Birthday runs a Circus of Fear. Poor, poor Light Yagami...
- Neon Genesis Evangelion fandom might be collectively the crowning champion of this trope. The series was the poster boy for darkness to begin with, but amongst fans known for analysing everything down to the smallest detail the ability to tease out the smallest aspect and expand upon every twisted meaning or interpretation is phenomenal. A far from comprehensive list:
- Random1377
is another prolific NGE darkfic author, with entries such as The Lifespan of a Love Affair
(a deconstruction of the Misato/Shinji pairing), Let She Who is Without Sin
(about a Serial Killer), and Aoi
(includes Shinji being killed in the first chapter, and falls apart from there).
- Scar Tissue is also a good one: Asuka blames her scars and death in canon on Shinji and punishes him by subjecting him to constant emotional, physical and sexual torture, and Shinji takes it all because he thinks he deserves it after defiling her and leaving her die right before ending humanity. Meanwhile Shinji's low self-esteem and self-hatred has become a split personality tortures him in the form of hallucinations. And that's only the backstory; the fic itself begins after Asuka beating him so brutally that he has to be taken to the hospital and she finally realizes her actions have been horrible. On the other hand, the fic inverts the usual darkfic formula in that it starts off dark and gets progressively lighter.
- Random1377
openHow to Edit this Entry?
- A Harry Potter fanfic called The Ones You Never Expect
starts off with Colin Creevey being revealed to have faked his death in the final battle. He then meets up with his brother to report to Dedalus Diggle. All three report to Crookshanks. Who reports to "The Queen": Hedwig. As it turns out: The war wasn't between Voldemort and Dumbledore; it was between Nagini and Fawkes. And Hedwig has been waiting on the sidelines, faking her death, until the two sides butchered each other so that she could take over the world in the aftermath."
I'm going to spoiler the Hedwig part, because that itself is supposed to be a spoiler in story, but what about the Colin? Should I Spoiler Hide Colin's deaths. Asking, because this fanfic does require you to know that Colin died in canon.
Edited by DayBreakChannelopenQuestion about recap pages
Is it a no-no to leave the synopsis blank even if you're unable to come up with one yourself right away (and not take one from a different source word-for-word, much less get suspended for it)?
Edited by Tenma-Yuukiopen unknown show Film
This show had a red haired girl an Asian dude and a spacecraft.....
I think it may have came on BBC around 1980-2000 ( please don’t quote me on that)
—————————————————————————— And episode on the show had this girl land on a planet after hitchicking a ride there was a malfunction of the spacecraft/ time machine
And she sees these children dressed in Versailles French outfits playing ball but when they turn around she sees they are robots"....... The adults were so excited to find a real girl “child” and take her home to show off to their friends (all children died of a disease but not by the disease itself but the vaccine) one side affect of vaccine let the adults live forever but makes them sterile) so when a child is found they are so happy
The kid ends up trying to escape to get home her mother “mother” the one who found her then consults books on child rearing to see how to raise a child and make sure she is not getting sick or something to try and understand her behavior in a world that has everything
The girl explains she has a mother etc...... and wants to go home the “parents” help her get home despite the town folks arguments.
———————————————————————————- Can someone tell me the name of this show or the episode....... I watched many many years ago
I found it on You Tube at one time I think it was split into 2-3 parts ————————————————— The only reason I want to watch it again is it has many similarities to dr. Who and one Of the Dalek episodes
Edited by CvicopenComplainy entry of ArcFatigue Anime
Eternity Of Spirits added several entries to the YMMV page of Boruto, several of these were misuses which I removed explaining why in the comments. But this one in particular stroke me as overtly complainy:
- The manga in general is infamous for its very slow pacing, generally stretching out rather simple storylines out into multi-chapter arcs that last several months, often reiterating the same bits of information multiple times with little variance. Perhaps the most infamous example is Naruto's fight with Delta, where a single fight was stretched out for three months of real time despite relatively little actually happening in the fight itself, capped off by Delta self-destructing as a means of escape after being defeated, rendering basically the entire fight largely pointless. Many have said that the manga is still written under the idea of it being a weekly, even though the monthly release schedule means that the format and reader expectations are vastly different.
I originally reworded the entry to address that most of these issues are due to a monthly release, since if you read the manga back to back without waiting for the next chapter the pacing becomes better and many fans have said that the manga would be better if it had a weekly release. But they reverted it claiming that "I fail to see how being monthly excuses the poor pacing."
Any thoughts on this or is this just me?
openWhy is this still an index?
The page TurnOfTheMillennium/ProfessionalWrestling no longer exists, having been replaced by Professional Wrestling of the 2000s . However, pages that were added to the first one still have it as an index (e.g, Mike Quackenbush). Why is TurnOfTheMilennium/ProfessionalWrestling still an index when the page itself no longer exists? Thank you.
Edited by KJTropesopenNo Title
I had deleted some "meta" moments from Awesome.Pokemon Detective Pikachu under the impression they weren't allowed/were overly gushy, but they were reinstated with another troper citing their prevalence on MCU pages. I don't want to edit war, so what should be done about them?
- When the trailer was released, it completely overshadowed the teaser trailer for Toy Story 4, which was released a few hours earlier and had gotten plenty of attention in itself. It's also beaten the Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) trailer and that came out in July 21st, almost 4 months ago when the Detective Pikachu trailer was released. It also got over 1 million likes and is the only non-superhero Hollywood film to do so until the trailer for The Lion King 2019 came out. The other films to do over 1 million likes before the film's trailer are Avengers: Infinity War, Venom, and Captain Marvel. After the trailers got released, the only other movies that achieved 1 million likes was The Lion King, Spider-Man: Far From Home, both trailers for Avengers: Endgame and Joker. To say this movie got a lot of attention compared to most films of 2019 would be an understatement.
- Jordan Vogt-Roberts concluded that the film has similar amounts of charisma and quality
to Iron Man 1.
- While critical consensus doesn't mirror the idea of putting Detective Pikachu on par with the film that started the most successful movie franchise in history, this movie still gets to claim the title of first wide-release video game film adaptation to avert the video game movie curse. That's nothing to sneeze at.
- It made number two in its first week at the box office right behind Endgame. Granted many figured it wasn't going to knock Endgame off its throne, but coming that damn close. Yeah, nothing to sneeze at indeed and a testament to the staying power of this series.
- While worldwide it may have come in second to Endgame, in China it came in at number one.
- Props to the visual effects team and director in that Mr. Mime's inclusion is this. Rob Letterman revealed in an interview
they almost didn't get to have Mr. Mime in the film because of its creep-factor notoriety and Uncanny Valley design. He hired an actual mime to rehearse the scene with, and also had to pitch the interrogation scene in person to the president of The Pokémon Company and he gave them the go-ahead, and then they still had to come up with a realistic design. Many people he talked to still weren't sure it could be pulled off, then when they filmed the scene, he described it as "the most awkward, weird thing to shoot", and he considered cutting it since he didn't think it would work. Given the fan reception of the end product, it's a cinematic marvel that they succeeded.
- In order to sell that she was actually carrying Psyduck around, Kathryn Newton had to do the chase scenes with 40 lbs of weight strapped to her back.
- Pokémon Detective Pikachu has a 65% Fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes as of May 17, 2019, making it the first live-action film adaptation of a video game to hold a "Fresh" rating. And while critical reception has been lukewarm, most chalk it up to the film being so awash in Pokémon lore that it's difficult to non-fans to fully appreciate the story and humor. In that regard, fan reception for the movie has been very, very high. After all these years, Video Game Movies Suck is finally averted.
openCancelling a Wikiword request Anime
I was looking at Creator.Funimation and found it odd that it was spelled properly, as I had always known it as FUNimation. I popped a wikiword request in but then looked down, actually read the page and saw it said previously known as FUNimation Productions and FUNimation Entertainment. Since I don't see any way to cancel the request myself, I wanted to post this so a mod would know it was a mistake on my part.
Edited by sgamer82openYMMV.KannazukiNoMiko page... kind of overly negative? Anime
This page. I get that it's a controversial show, but why is it that it looks like being written not by a neutral party but more like the detractors hamfisting what they don't like about the show? I've already made several edits about it, but I feel like I should rewrite in a more neutral manner.
Should I? Is the page negative enough?
The main page itself looked rather old, with a lot of ZCE's (I plan on fixing that too), so I was thinking that this was why a lot of its 'negativity' (if confirmed) went unfixed. What do you think?
openEntry Needs Fixing
Found this entry on Shout-Out Theme Naming:
- The Superjail! fanfic Extended Stay
does this with the Warden and the Mistress's twins Matilda and Ethan. A review gave the author suggestions that the twins be named after the star-crossed lovers in Ethan Frome. Obviously, the author took the suggestions for the names but then added in "Elizabeth" and "Victor" for their middle names. Hmm... Considering that the twins eventually become owners of Ultraprison and Superjail, almost like coming-of-age monarchs in a kingdom, could it be that they were also named for famous real-life monarchs as well and English monarchs no less? Possibly combined with Named After Somebody Famous.
- This could possibly be an in-universe example given how close the Warden and the Mistress were to becoming star-crossed lovers themselves.
- "Elizabeth" could either refer to Henry VIII's daughter, the now-deceased mother of the current Queen of England AKA the Queen Mum, or Her Majesty the Queen herself.
- "Victor" is a masculine form of "Victoria", which was the name of the English queen who reigned from 1837 to 1901.
- "Elizabeth" and "Victor" most likely came from another pair of lovers, this time from Frankenstein. These are the first names of the infamous Doctor and his wife. His parents raised them as something like adopted siblings with the intention of two marrying each other as adults.
- Their little brother Edward is probably named after the English king who succeeded Queen Victoria after she died. Either that or he could've been named for King Henry VIII's surviving son.
Lots of speculation in this entry, for a fic that only has about 25 faves and 13 follows at this time. How should I cut down this entry? Should I first trim it of speculation, leaving only the entries that seem to be explicitly confirmed or obvious enough to be a direct reference?
resolved YMMV/DarkPhoenix Issue Film
patriciovalencia117 recently instituted a change in the Audience-Alienating Premise section.
Before:
- Audience-Alienating Premise: The film ended driving away many fans owing to on-going production shenanigans and its questionable creative decisions. Right off the bat, Fox's decision to adapt Phoenix Saga story didn't inspire confidence given how the studio's previous stab at the story line, the much maligned X-Men: The Last Stand, was a low point for the franchise and its poor reception ended up tainting the image of the Dark Phoenix alter-ego and story. Further hampering enthusiasm was the controversial hiring of Simon Kinberg as director; while Kinberg produced the critically acclaimed X-Men: First Class and X-Men: Days of Future Past, his involvement in the much-contested X-Men: Apocalypse and his lack of directorial experience left fans cautious about the project. There was also the matter of fans perceiving either Days of Future Past or Logan as the Grand Finale of the setting, which caused lowered interest in this movie. And even if most of the audience could forgive all that, near the end of 2017 Disney had made a bid to acquire Fox's film assets, and it was considered a Foregone Conclusion by many ever since that not only would the acquisition go through (which it eventually did in 2019), but that Disney would pass responsibility for making future X-Men movies onto Marvel Studios (with the possible exception of movies that star Deadpool, who Disney themselves hinted and eventually confirmed would be staying at Fox to avoid tampering with his R-rated nature), and that a hard Continuity Reboot was inevitable as a result. Ultimately, all these factors coalesced into a movie that financially fell below already-modest expectations.
After:
- Audience-Alienating Premise: The film ended up driving away many fans owing to on-going production shenanigans and its questionable creative decisions. Right off the bat, Fox's decision to adapt the Phoenix Saga story didn't inspire confidence given how the studio's previous stab at the story line, the much maligned X-Men: The Last Stand, was a low point for the franchise and its poor reception ended up tainting the image of the Dark Phoenix alter-ego and story. Further hampering enthusiasm was the controversial hiring of Simon Kinberg as director; while Kinberg produced the critically acclaimed X-Men: First Class and X-Men: Days of Future Past, his involvement in the much-contested X-Men: Apocalypse and his lack of directorial experience left fans cautious about the project. There was also the matter of fans perceiving either Days of Future Past or Logan as the Grand Finale of the setting, which caused lowered interest in this movie. And even if most of the audience could forgive all that, Disney ended up buying out Fox and it film assets, meaning that barring the R-rated Deadpool, the X-Men will undergo a Continuity Reboot in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Ultimately, all these factors coalesced into a movie that financially fell below already-modest expectations. (Note: The "ended to ended up" change and "adapt Dark Phoenix story to adapt the Dark Pheonix story" edits were done by Stardust Soldier.)
I have issues with this edit.
1. No edit reason to explain this. I'm guessing it was supposed to be a compression issue but that wasn't well-explained. This edit is not so self-explanatory as to require no edit reason.
2. Factual inaccuracy: Disney did not "buy out Fox". They acquired PARTS of Fox that were sold off because Rupert Murdoch wanted to get out of the film-making business and focus on expanding his news empire. Let's get that straight.
3. The edit makes it seem like that acquisition was the only part where enthusiasm started being dampened, even though Disney first made their bid back at the tail-end at 2017 and the possibility of the acquisition going through had ample time to fester in the public consciousness. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that was not a factor.
4. Errors in grammar and mark-up. "Fox and it film assets" indeed, and Marvel Cinematic Universe should be linked to.
Edited by MinisterOfSinisteropenVillainous Underdog Question
I'd like to ask the tropers to weigh in on a debate, because the other party I've tried to debate with is being passive-aggressively hostile in P Ms. Twice, I've presented my case and they've dimissed it. Once as me "wanking" the character in question and secondly as "Dragon Ball-esque scale speculation", which it is not.
So the dispute is on Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night. In the story, a demon named Gremory is one of the major villains and is partially responsible for the events therein. Part of the objective is for the player to traverse a huge sinister castle full of demons to reach Gremory and her master, Gebel, to stop them from unleashing a demon horde on mankind.
Within the game, there's another character named Zangetsu, who is a demon-hunting samurai using a sword called the Zangetsuto. At several points in the story, Miriam and Zangetsu fight with and against each other. When Miriam fights with him, Zangetsu demonstrates that he is far more powerful than Miriam (he can defend against a boss's attacks and she can't, and he deals hundreds of HP in damage to the boss while Miriam is dealing single digits). When they fight against each other, Miriam states that Zangetsu is holding back against her and could have killed her in a blink if he wanted.
Now, we enter spoiler territory.
We're told at the end that Zangetsu's sword, Zangetsuto, is the only thing that can destroy Gremory. Miriam states that Zangetsu is so strong that he should have done it already. He replies that he's been TRYING but Gremory has actively been running from him the entire story and every time he thinks she's cornered, she vanishes again. He thus gives Miriam his sword to chase her instead and this works because Gremory doesn't see it coming. However, Zangetsu also knows that since Gremory knows he's without his sword, she'll target him while he's weak. He deliberately goes off on his own to lure Gremory into the open and possibly dies as a result.
Now, Sasquatch X is arguing that this is NOT a case of Villainous Underdog because: 1) it's Zangetsu with his sword Gremory was afraid of, not him or the sword alone and 2) Gremory is hiding behind an army of demons. The problem I have with both of these arguments is that it's irrelevant whether Gremory was only an "underdog" when Zangetsu was with his sword because his sword is literally the source of his identity—he named himself after it. And second, Gremory's ultimate plan (which I avoided here) hinged on Miriam being able to easily defeat said army of demons, and again...Zangetsu is flat out stated to be far more powerful than Miriam.
Sorry for the long explanation, but I wanted you to have all the facts. Like I said, talking to Sasquatch X is impossible because he's being incredibly dismissive in P Ms.
Edited by NubianSatyressopen Edit War on VideoGame.Borderlands3
Troper Discar has taken it upon himself to revert extensive cleanup on the VideoGame.Borderlands 3 page. That cleanup included, in the edit history, a link to explicit instructions from a moderator that Speculative Troping should be deleted.
Discar has shown a persistent pattern of obstructionist behavior toward cleanup of Speculative Troping. He apparently has no interest in helping with cleanup efforts by adding citations or context, which is fine, but he is quick to revert or otherwise obstruct others' cleanup efforts, which is not.
Edited by HighCrateopenWhat exactly is the difference between these two tropes?
Seems like one is the act itself and the other is the person performing it, but for the most part they reference the same scenes and seem to overlap a bit too much.
Edited by DarthWalrusopenZeldaQueen64...again
On February 14th, 2018, Tropers.Zelda Queen 64 added natter to NightmareFuel.Junji Ito. ([[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=NightmareFuel.JunjiIto&more=t
Page History).
Specifically, they added this entry:
- When Mimi moves into the apartment next to the woman's, she finds a tiny hole the previous occupant had used to spy on the woman. When Mimi takes a look, she sees the woman adjusting her arm. Even worse, the woman hears Mimi gasping and extends her arm to reach through the hole to try to grab Mimi! When Mimi uses a bookcase to cover the hole and locks the door to protect herself, the woman goes outside and extends herself so that she can climb in the window to get at Mimi. Mimi faints shortly after and fortunately wakes up to find everything back to normal, but it's still terrifying to watch. Not to mention, while nothing actually does happen, the idea of being unconscious while such a terrifying being can get at you is plenty horrifying.
The info was later transferred to NightmareFuel.Mimis Ghost Stories, but the indentation remained the same. It also violates spoiler policy since Nightmare Fuel subpages are Spoilers Off.
I'm only just now reporting it because, up until literally today, I was unaware Zelda Queen 64 was active. Even then, their edit history
only shows edits going to 2018 after restarting in 2017.
That said, back in 2016, this troper had already been notified
of natter, had been suspended for it
when they didn't stop, and promised not to do so again
in the future.
openTropefying creator pages
I understand that we can tropefy the pages of creators as long as its talking about their work. For example, recurring tropes, recurring quotes, recurring themes, and so on. However, I'm seeing that for years, the page of Akira Toriyama has been more about the man personal quirks rather than the tropes he shows in his comics.
I'm sort of confused if I should clean up his page, as while talking about his real life quirks can give context on why he felt the need to write this or that the way he did, the page itself is just tropefying him, which shouldn't happen.

rjd1922 removed an Animorphism wick from The Princess And The Frog saying "Animorphism must be voluntary". And indeed, that's what it says on the laconic page. But the page itself has a section for both voluntary and involuntary examples.
So, is it required for the trope to be voluntary or not?