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openSelf-Demonstrating Articles
How do I create one for a character? I'm sorry if this is a pretty basic question, but it's still one I really wanna know. Editing pages is nice, but I kind of feel like making my own would be fun. SD pages are Just for Fun, aren't they?
Edited by FurtiveTerzelopenRWBY in Stuffed into the Fridge, Stuffed into the Fridge as a whole Western Animation
There seems to be some debating whether Pyrrha's death in RWBY counts as being Stuffed into the Fridge. I personally don't think it does, but to avoid the edit war I'm going to bring it here. As a side note this might also bring up problems with the trope page itself, considering it has seemingly contradicting definitions of the trope in the first few sentences; being first defined as having a character be left for a dead body to find, then more broadly defined as any time a character sees their loved one die. The former is a clearly defined trope with a history, the latter is awfully general to the point where a character that dies of old age in front of a loved one could arguably considered being Stuffed into the Fridge.
openThe 20th Century, Part 2
Continuing from HERE
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I originally meant for the page for The 20th Century to be an index, but due to Julian Lapostat's eloquent Wall of Text edits, it almost looks like a Useful Notes page, which was not supposed to. I had a disclaimer to keep it brief, which Julian missed the point, to put it bluntly. I'm still debating myself on whether I should turn it into a Useful Note or keep it as an index.
On another note, I trimmed much of his edits that were wordy and redundant, but I could only do much. There are some sentences and paragraphs that I couldn't abridge due to how complex the wording is. So, to be short and honest, can anyone help me shorten the description to be Clear Concise And Witty?
Edited by alnair20aug93openFreewareGames has games that appear in two sections... And the page is indexed...
Freeware Games has games that appear in two sections... And the page is indexed, so that brings possible problems.
Save The Date is in Multi-Platform Interactive Fiction, and Multi-Platform Visual Novels, so when looking from the game's page, it places itself in the earlier appearance, but not the later one.
Is this a problem, and if so, what solutions should there be? Splitting the page off into types of games? Or what?
openNeed Mediation
Hi, guys. On the Transgender Fetishization discussion page
, Tropers.Nebulous Violet seems determined to remove any reference to the idea that the trope can be received or portrayed positively, because it's a (historically negative) stereotype of trans people.
To save time here, I'll just copy the summary of disagreements I had:
- You believe that just because the trope Positive Discrimination has "positive" in the name that it's supposed to be seen as good. As I keep repeatedly saying, that is not true. Read the description of the trope.
- You are disregarding the golden rule of Tropes Are Tools. Tropes, even if they are historically negative or call attention to a "flaw" in a work, cannot be treated as inherently bad on this wiki. We must portray the trope itself as neutral, and only trope any negatives if those negatives are evident in the work itself.
resolved Loud house memes Western Animation
Memes.The Loud House has some examples that come from fan works and not the show itself. Is this allowed?
openWrong namespace?
It says that Literature.Worm is a Web Serial Novel which itself is a subgenre of Web Original. Shouldn't it go under WebOriginal.Worm then? I don't know the work at all.
openMLP the Movie cleanup
Saw this on What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?.Film and... it's just silly. (And what does Robbie Rotten have to do with anything?)
- My Little Pony: The Movie (2017): Between the multiple examples of Getting Crap Past the Radar, a Downer Beginning with scary petrification, an Implied Death Threat, a Not-So-Safe Harbor where the heroes were almost Made a Slave, a depressing sequence of Canterlot's population enslaved, drowning (Robbie Rotten lampshades it here
), a severe Plot-Mandated Friendship Failure, a severe Disney Death (almost on par with Disney itself), and a Family-Unfriendly Disney Villain Death, it's easy for parents to wonder if this movie is appropriate for young children.
openSelf Demonstrating... isn't?
First-Person Smartass is written in... first and second person? There shouldn't be an audience to address in first-person narration, right?
openBadly-made work page Literature
This page seems very inappropriately made. The issue of self-promotion aside, it contains many instances of This Troper, use of first person and a fair amount of Natter. Anyone familiar with the work care to do some clean-up?
Edited by LogoPopenThinking of Removing the Alternative Character part from Lady Gaga's YMMV
Besides the "Donatella" example, all of them are about the Creator herself, which I know is definitely not allowed.
open Cardboard
Is there a trope for replacing yourself with a fake? Like having a stand-in cardboard cutout, or a dummy in place of the person? I can think of several tv shows where that's used, and it's a gag that somebody doesn't realize that's a phony version of the guy. If this is already a trope, I don't know what it's named.
openTombRaider and alternate continuities?
I've just made this edit to Tomb Raider, changing :
- Alternate Continuity: The Crystal Dynamics games are set in a completely different continuity to the Core Design games. Same for the movie and the comic book series (and there are three different continuities for comics, too). The Square Enix game is set in yet another alternate continuity. Into exactly what continuities the assorted gaiden games fall is up for debate. There are also books and animated series - all of them set in different continuity, often mutually exclussive.
- For a while, two game continuities were running alongside; the Second Crystal Dynamics series has a sequel in Rise of the Tomb Raider, and the first Crystal Dynamic's series getting a followup (sort of) in Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris.
to:
- Alternate Continuity: There are at least six different canons within the franchise.
- First off, is the 1996-2003, or "Original Continuity".
- Then there's the Crystal Dynamics, which is a Continuity Reboot.
- The Core Design games continuity
- Then the Square Enix era, which takes elements from the Crystal Dynamics and Core Design, forming a new continuity of its own which takes the original in Broad Strokes.
- For a while, two game continuities were running alongside; the Second Crystal Dynamics series has a sequel in Rise of the Tomb Raider, and the first Crystal Dynamic's series getting a followup (sort of) in Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris.
- The movie with Angelina Jolie is its own one-shot, self-contained continuity.
- Then there's the comic-book adaptations, which have three continuities, running alongside one another.
- Finally, there's the 2018 Continuity Reboot, starring AliciaVikander which goes back to basics and abandons all previous continuities for a clean-slate reboot.
I'm checking to ensure this makes sense - I'm doing a wick check of this trope and trying to give every entry where Alternate Continuity is used a bit more detail so that readers can tell how it is an Alternate Continuity to the original.
Edited by Merseyuser1openFranchise Original Sin - Final Fantasy
Tropers.Another Duck removed a large section of the FranchiseOriginalSin.Final Fantasy page, for reasons that I dispute.
His edit reason was: "This isn't a flaw that's been exaggerated or left unchecked in later games. It's always been there, and overall character design has been a positive trait of the series."
The two of us then disputed this in P Ms and got nowhere. I'll try to summarize the arguments.
Firstly, the second point he raises is something I argued against with cited examples of journalists, editorials, forum posts, and comments which hold mostly negative opinions on the series' character designs from FFX and beyond. Naturally, FF is a very widespread series, so you'll always have people who disagree, but the onset of complaints en masse didn't start until FFX. Duck retorted this by saying that he could also find links of dissenting opinion to refute me, but when I asked that he do so, he refused for lack of time.
On the second point, I explained that the reason the issue about character design was overlooked in previous games is because in-game graphics did not match the design of the characters due to technical limitations. When the hardware caught up to the art in FFX, that's where the complaints started. He replied "The artwork of FFVII and FFVIII, for instance, isn't that detailed, and it's reasonably accurately represented in the FM Vs. The artwork of the games prior to that, including the character portraits, is far more detailed" which, again, is addressed in the example itself. Tetsuya Nomura's original art style was specifically chosen to be simple because of the graphical limitations of the PSX console, but in later games, he went much more heavily into detail because the hardware could keep up. Incidentally, this is also why people have complained about his REDESIGNS of the FFVII and FFVIII characters in the remakes, sequels or spin-offs such as Kingdom Hearts.
He then asked me whether or not the issue in question "overshadowed" other aspects of the game, and said that the Laconic's wording means those aspects must be "overshadowed". I said that I don't agree with his interpretation of either definition, to which he called my argument "semantics", and when I disagreednote Because he is literally making a semantic argument., he told me "I get the impression you don't understand what 'semantics' means".
Edited by NubianSatyressopen Please help me find this show
There’s this show I watched when I was younger and it’s about a boy who moved with his dad to a small town and I remember the opening scene had them pulling up to the town sign at it was graffitied and changed and that was the name of the show.There was another scene where he was playing basketball with other teens and they ran when the streetlights went out and it was then he met his best friends I remember the show was all about that creepy town where he and his friends solved all paranormal mysteries and a witch was reincarnating herself in her descendants
Please help if you can
Edited by Lilly123openQuestionable Spoilers, or How Much Detail Do These Examples Need?
Apologies in advance for the length of this post.
N8han11 and I need additional opinions to resolve a philosophical disagreement on example writing practices. I am trying to avoid spoilers, simplify for non-fans and write concisely in accordance with our example writing guidelines. N8han11 seems to think loading examples with tagged spoilers is the better practice, and even tried to put a spoiler tag in the work description.
N8han11 recently created the page, FanFic.Total Drama Avengeance Old Losers Vs New Losers. I do a good deal of cleanup work in the Total Drama Fan Works section because that space is an interest of mine, so I looked over the article and did some cleanup to remove excessive spoiler tagging. As part of this cleanup, I endeavored to write around the spoilers and improve conciseness by removing spoilered out details I thought weren’t needed to understand the examples. In the Edit Summary, I cited several elements of the Spoiler Policy to explain my revisions.
N8han11 promptly reverted most of my revisions, restoring their own texts (add-delete-add) with the unexplained claim that my revisions were somehow improper, and even restored a spoiler tagged pothole after I pointed out that such things are against policy. I didn’t want to be called on the carpet for edit warring if/when they were, so I invited them to discuss the matter via PM or on the article’s Discussion page. It took some prodding, but they eventually agreed to a PM discussion.
We eventually reached agreement on one of the problem tropes (Locked into Strangeness), but we have reached an impasse on others, most notably Split Personality.
After N8han’s reversion of my edits, the example reads:
- Split Personality: All five of Mike's canonical alternate personalities are here: Chester, Svetlana, Vito and Manitoba Smith all make apppearances [sic]. Mal also appears during the obstacle course race after Mike becomes incredibly angry out of fear that Zoey only likes him for his personalities and not for Mike himself.
Note the spoiler tagged pothole, which N8han11 still seems unwilling to do anything about.
My version, as subsequently revised during our discussion, is:
- Split Personality: As per canon, Mike has several alter egos covering a wide range of personality types. Each alter emerges in response to a different trigger, and the original "Mike" personality also returns in response to a trigger.
No spoiler tags required, which is what writing around spoilers is all about. I also suggested splitting the spoilery details and improperly tagged pothole off into a different trope example, to wit:
- Rage Breaking Point: When Mike comes to believe Zoey only likes him for his alter egos instead of for himself, he becomes so profoundly angry that an evil, previously unseen alter ego emerges.
N8han11 asserts that my text for Split Personality is too vague and that it’s bad practice to remove information for any reason. They didn’t respond to my Rage Breaking Point proposal at all before declaring an impasse.
Setting aside the questionable benefit of loading an example with details that are just going to be spoilered out, I contend the spoiler tag in Split Personality is a Self-Fulfilling Spoiler. Mike and his evil alter ego (named Mal) were the central focus of an entire canonical season; so if you know Total Drama and see a spoiler tag on a Split Personality example, you’re probably going to automatically assume it has something to do with Mal. If you don’t know Total Drama, you probably won’t care about the spoiler anyway.
Tropers, it’s in your hands now. We have agreed to resolve our dispute here.
Edited by GideoncrawleopenLost Dr. Seuss films (censored) Western Animation
Hi Tropers! I'm an ELA teacher and secretly addicted to this site. Joined because I had a question:
My fifth graders are doing the Seussical and I'm trying to find copies of the Looney Tunes/Chuck Jones Dr. Seuss films, mainly "Horton Hatches the Egg" and "The Tail of Gertrude Mc Fuzz", since those are the subject of the play. I found some clips on Youtube but not the whole cartoons.
Also, it's been years since I've watched these classics, and while I'm not a big fan of censorship, I was wondering if anyone had seen them recently and had any advice about whether or not they'd still be "kosher" in a public school. I had a couple doubts...
1. I read online that "Horton Hatches the Egg" originally had a scene where a fish commits suicide by shooting himself in the head. I'd be in hot water if I showed that in class, so I need the censored version.
2. I remember the animated "Gertrude Mc Fuzz" has Gertrude the bird going to the doctor, who shaves off her tail feathers. I recall some off-color humor where the shave exposes Gertrude's bare fanny and the doctor is slapping her fanny with Calamine lotion, humiliating the bird. Funny in some respects, but fifth graders might get the wrong idea :P
Any advice where to find these cartoons and if school-friendly cuts exist? Thanks!

On The Hitman's Bodyguard, I found an Unfortunate Implications entry regarding the film's depiction of Belarus as a violent dictatorship. The thing is, Belarus is recognized by many countries and organizations as a dictatorship and the entry itself points it out. The citation is from a Russian review, and the entry also points out that Russians are sympathetic to the Belarus dictatorship. Since the "implication" here is that Belarus is a dictatorship, should this entry be cut? Here's the entry: