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openHow to Shorten Example from Music/HarsherinHindsight
Here is the example in question:
Also "I'm Going Slightly Mad" is not so funny when you know it was all his fears about dementia brought on by AIDS, though Word of God said himself that it was just a silly joke song he wrote in about 5 minutes.
- Freddie, Queen, and the few other people who knew about Freddie's illness did and said all that they could to hide the fact that Freddie had the disease, at least until it was too obvious to keep it a secret. It wasn't mentioned in interviews, talked about in private, etc. until the night before his death, when Freddie sent the press release. Freddie wanted to carry on as normally as possible until the end, and did not want the tabloid press to complicate his life or the lives of those he cared for, or for anyone to worry about him or buy his records out of sympathy. So any Word of God you get from Freddie, Queen, etc. up until November 23, 1991 was made while trying to keep the issue a secret and downplay any "clues" about his condition.
How to keep all that info while still joining both of them together? Right now, it is a conversation.
openMoving Trope names in AddedAlliterativeAppeal to AlliterativeName. Need Advice.
Moving Trope names in Added Alliterative Appeal to Alliterative Name. Need Advice.
Got permission
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It should be split into a separate page, due to its length... OLD spoiler:Should it be on a separate page due to its length, if so, what should it be called...
It's around 374,642 characters now.
But I'm not sure what to call it...
I just need to figure out what to call the Alliterative Name subpage. Either "TV Tropes Wiki" or "TV Tropes Itself", have been used... and what letter ranges to use.
And give Indexes a separate page as well.
Should I keep the indexing?
Edited by MaladyopenOn the page for Zabibah and the King. Literature
Should we recreate this page? The book itself is more like a historical curiosity than a classic in Iraqi literature since it was written by Saddam Hussein (under the not so clever pen name of S. Hussein).
Edited by Albino_AxolotlopenTroper changing descriptions without discussion. Allowed?
Nutgunner is making some changes to trope descriptions and I'm not seeing any discussions on the topic. See their updates to Homing Projectile, My Hero, Zero and Copy Protection for example.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Nutgunner
They also modified an image caption (Stupid Crooks) and added a JAFAAC image (I Just Want to Be Loved). I sent notifiers for the image changes to direct them to IP. (Note that adding an image to the blank I Just Want to Be Loved isn't against the rules, but the image itself is JAFAAC. I made an IP thread to find a better image) Hopefully Nutgunner can participate.
openJames Stewart Film
James Stewart, George Bailey himself, one of 20th Century's most famous Hollywood actors. Billed as "James Stewart" in every acting job he had from 1935 to 1991, except for a TV show that briefly ran in the early 70s.
His TV Tropes page is listed under Jimmy Stewart.
Before I go to the Trope Repair Shop I'd like to take the temperature for support of a rename.
openEdit War in Boobs And Butt Pose
Tropers.Trev MUN recently made a large edit to Boobs-and-Butt Pose to remove most statements about the implausibility and/or ridiculousness of the pose. While that was fine in and of itself, as a negativity cleanup had been proposed on the Discussion page for a while but never executed. However, they also added a Tumblr/blog post of someone demonstrating said pose, who was herself criticizing the negative reputation the trope has. In other words, going in the exact opposite direction and complaining about complaining.
I removed the blog post from the description, and stated in the description that we should also remove a conflicting blog entry currently listed on the page from a contortionist who himself says that the pose is unrealistic. My reasoning is that this is starting to boil down to a case of he said/she said and could easily escalate into an arms race to find enough image blogs to support one opinion over the other.
Trev MUN rebutted today, and then went and readded his blog example without further discussion.
Please advise on how to proceed.
openIssue regarding an edit undone. Anime
Apologies for so many ATT entries. I know this gets annoying.
So in August of last year, I went onto the Fairy Tail section for the "Main Villains", and asked why the "character" Ankhselam was listed as a Big Bad when he is a Greater-Scope Villain who never actually appears in the series. The characters listed on the page were the three major antagonists of the final arc, something the "character" in question is not. Nobody commented on it, so on January 20th of this year, I moved him to the Other Section.
February 13th, Sarakael, a troper I have had very poor interactions with due to his very strict "My way or the high way" mindset, undid this saying; "You should learn to wait for other opinion before doing thing as drastic as that."
Not only is this a passive aggressive message, I did wait for people to comment on it. For nearly five months. Not a single person commented so I moved it after waiting. I want to see peoples opinions since Sarakael has often ignored discussions if he does not agree with them, and he himself never engaged the topic.
Edited by keyblade333openTracking not-yet-created pages
So I'm writing a fanfic, and while I'd feel too much like a Shameless Self-Promoter to create its page myself, I do want to be informed if someone else does. But apparently adding a not-yet-created page to your watchlist doesn't work. Is there anything I can do?
openDoes this count as Creator Backlash?
Remember "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer", by Patsy and Elmo? Well, today, I found this song by Elmo (as a solo act named Dr. Elmo), called ["Don't Make Me Play that Grandma Song Again"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTfXQwdkJks)
, which is about a DJ who is sick of playing the song. At first, I thought it could be self-deprecation, especially since he calls Elmo someone who cannot sing, but then, hearing the lyrics again, I thought it could simply be an observance on how overplayed the song is (as Christmas songs usually are). So does this fit?
openCrosswicking Our Own Works
Side note:
What's the policy on actually crosswicking our works on trope pages? I didn't know if that went to far was considered shameless self-promotion or not.
Edited by shoboniopenWhat is Self-Deprecation about?
Some examples are in-universe characters deprecating themselves, but some are the authors of the work deprecating themselves, and the image is an example of the latter. Thus, I am a bit confused: is this trope both in and out-universe, or just out-universe?
openSingle Issue Wonk Review on My Little Pony Equestria Girls: Forgotten Friendship
While JJHIL 325 does have valid points regarding the issue, it's clearly a rant about the issue within the movie and not an actual review of the movie itself. They should have posted in the proper forums instead.
open Time Travel (perhaps) Film
Help!!! This show/movie is probably no later than 2008.
Okay so it starts somewhat like this. A guy pulls up to a small gas station, where he sees a very attractive girl. She then invites him to a party at some big house later on that night. He arrives to the house but is skeptical to go in. As he's debating whether to walk into the party or not this scary werewolf dirty type human comes from around the house yelling and mumbling gibberish. He ends up being scared of the thing so he runs inside the house. He's now in the party (i dont remember much of what goes on in here) he meets the girl from the gas station who i think slips something in his drink that makes him very drowsy. She then admits to slipping something in his drink. He trys to ask the party guest for help but they suddenly all stop dancing because they were mannequins all along except the girl and maybe like 3 guys who are trying to get him. He trys to run out the house but all the doors and windows are either shut or a guy is waiting for him. He finally escapes through the chimney rolls off the roof of the house, and he's extremely dirty and looks kind of like a werewolf. As he's coming around the front of the house he sees a young man at the front door debating whether he should go in the party or not. The werewolf looking dude realizes that the young man at the door is himself, ...So he runs towards him yelling and mumbling gibberish trying to prevent him from going into the party. The young man gets scared and runs inside..
So this seems to be a never ending cycle, not sure if this was a movie or an episode (maybe like a goosebumps) but my guess is that it might be a show since i dont think it lasted longer that one hour. Thanks guys
openedit war about natter
22 jan, i deleted the following paragraph of natter in The Sociopath example in Characters.Frozen Prince Hans Westergaard Of The Southern Isles:
" But it's also zig-zagged here, as Word of God has explicitly described him by this term while emphasizing him as a Tragic Villain with a big Freudian Excuse, making it debatable to say if he is a sociopath or not. A Frozen Heart greatly emphasizes this as well as demonstrating there are people he genuinely cares for. It's implied he's only emulating his father's abrasiveness. In fact, his father may be a better description of this, as he doesn't care for his family unless they're useful to him, treats his subjects like trash, and reacts quite violently if they criticize him or fail to provide him with favors, money or food."
29 jan, njein added an other similar paragraph: "But A Frozen Heart reveals that Hans initially averted this, as his original goal was to permanently escape his abusive family and settle some place else quietly for good. But years of serving as his father's gofer and corrupting his own ethics out of a nigh-impossible desire of winning his father's respect, all led to his downwards spiral towards villainy."
I removed this as natter in the same day.
5 february, Duel Mark added the following paragraph with " added and altered to work better" as edit reason:"That said, Word of God has explicitly described him by this term while emphasizing him as a Tragic Villain with a big Freudian Excuse, making it debatable to say if he is a sociopath or not. A Frozen Heart greatly emphasizes this as well as demonstrating there are people he genuinely cares for and has self-loathing issues, aspects that sociopaths don't have. It's implied he's only emulating his father's abrasiveness."
Reading the edit history, i noted the edit war, sent a natter alert in 9 feb and waited by an answer.
Shortly after this, they deleted their more recent edit in the page with "not interested in discussion for now" as edit reason. I interpreted this as a permission and deleted the natter.
11 feb, Duel Mark re-added the paragraph and deleted half of the example with "Actually something important to mention, especially since it shows signs he's not a real sociopath" as edit reason.
openUse of acronisums and fan terms
It says on the How to Write an Example page to avoid internet acronyms and using acronyms for work titles but what about other forms of acronyms?
One example I have seen recently uses the acronym SMG and it took me quite a while to work out from context that it means sub-machine gun. I don’t believe this falls under the above mentioned acronyms but is it still right to use it?
On a related note, every so often Warhammer 40,000 examples will use the X++ for a saving throw that is unmodifiable, something that the game itself doesn’t use and I have only seen on a few fan sites. Should this be edited for violation of the Simplify For Non Fans rule? (Hell I am a big fan of the work and it still took me a little time to work out what it meant)
openFandomSpecificPlot question Literature
A Christmas Carol has hundreds and hundreds of adaptations, but also fanfics, some of which have specific plots.
I added "* Fandom-Specific Plot: Many fanfics tend to revolve around freeing Jacob Marley of his chains or setting Scrooge up with Belle after his reformation, usually by having her husband die. Other common fics have Scrooge/Marley as a pairing, in life or after death."
to the book's page since it was fandom-specific and many of the ones I've read are based on the book as opposed to a movie. jamespolk then removed it saying it should go on an adaptation page, but many fics are nonspecific about which version they follow so most people assume they're book-based unless said otherwise. Where should it go, if anywhere?
Also apparently Fandom-Specific Plot itself isn't a YMMV trope, but its related page shows it on tons of YMMV pages.
Edited by lalalei2001open An itch I can't scratch!
I believe I saw this on Hulu, not entirely sure of myself. Its a drama show and this is all I can remember: Several Women forced to wear dog shock collars, being chained in a soundproof room, a swingset in the back. Some sort of government tram is looking for missing some, missing for years. Women have been murdered.
openYMMV.MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017 Western Animation
SenorCornholio made very long entries to the YMMV page for the G4 MLP movie about They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot by outlining an entire alternate scenario for the movie/final battle, which i don't think is how that trope works, as well as a very long edit about Twilight's friends sucking with a lot of potholes.
"** The fact that Twilight's magic is completely limited in this movie ends up resulting in plenty of scenes where it could have helped them out, but didn't. As an example, after Twilight's screwing everything up and chewing out her friends results in her being captured, she could have stayed long enough to listen to Tempest Shadow's Villain Song, realized she failed friendship, used one of her various self-inflicted spells to escape (notice how the cage she's in only resists magic, but never prevents it), and declares that she'll save Tempest from what she became, all in time to meet up with her friends for the Final Battle, which also would have led to her realizing that friendship really did bring everyone together. It could have also resulted in a climactic battle with Tempest where Twilight tries to convince her that she's better than she thinks she is, leading to a Heel–Face Turn on her part like it does in the movie proper. But because she doesn't, she ends up as the Damsel in Distress that needs to be saved, and as an added kick in the teeth, her magic is stolen so she can't even try fighting anyway."
"** The Mane Five aside of Twilight can be seen as this, namely during their argument scene. Most of them did virtually nothing to help the situation involving Tempest Shadow and the Storm King get any better, either providing seemingly nothing or outright making the situation worse like with Rainbow Dash's impulsive Sonic Rainboom on Celaeno's ship, and especially Pinkie Pie's antics in Klugetown. And what's more is that they're exceptionally tongue-in-cheek about their screw-ups, like ruining several anthropomorphic creatures' homes and nearly getting five pirates and a cat man killed isn't a big deal. This leads to Twilight attempting to steal the Pearl of Transformation and arguing with her friends which, to be fair, the argument does make a point about how both Twilight and her friends messed up. However, after Twilight says her Wham Line, the five of them head off to leave Twilight alone, still fully aware that Tempest Shadow is after her, and only after she's captured do they go back to caring about her. When Twilight told Pinkie she'd be better off with without friends like them, maybe there was more truth to that statement than the writing staff realized."
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017
In general the page also has stuff like "* What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?: Between the multiple examples of Getting Crap Past the Radar, a Downer Beginning with scary petrification, an Implied Death Threat, a Not-So-Safe Harbor where the heroes were almost Made a Slave, a depressing sequence of Canterlot's population enslaved, drowning (Robbie Rotten lampshades it here
), a severe Plot-Mandated Friendship Failure, and a Family-Unfriendly Disney Villain Death, it's easy for parents to wonder if this movie is appropriate for young children. Then at the same time, the show has done the same concepts many times before and still managed to hold a TV-Y rating, and the movie still manages to be as simple and sugary as well, so once again it all comes down to one's personal interpretation." which contradicts itself multiple times.
openApplicability Web Original
I was browing the YMMV.The Nostalgia Critic page and noted an entry on applicability.
" Applicability: Autistic fans have welcomed Critic with open arms, with Doug comparing him to similarly coded Peridot, and Home Alone 2 bringing back the cereal special interest, all the nerves from the episode resulting in a meltdown when it's mocked and getting forgiven when he stresses out over thinking he ruined it. Hyper Fangirl has her fair share of Misaimed Fandom, but her most devoted audience are neuroatypical women who relate to her struggles and want to see her get better (without Critic having to forgive her). "
I didn't know what applicability as a trope was until I looked at the Laconic page, but it says "Word of God asks the audience to make up their own mind about the theme." which doesn't seem to fit these examples... and neither do many examples on the applicability page itself.
"Prometheus was designed for Wild Mass Guessing. One moment of Idiot Ball could mean an hour of theorizing behind why it is so. "
"The Day the Earth Caught Fire (1962) was made long before global warming and climate change became big issues, but is still about climate change which has been caused accidentally by technology (simultaneous nuclear tests at the north and south poles change the tilt of the Earth's axis)."
"The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is a case of confusing applicability with allegory. The connection between The Wonderful Wizard of Oz and the then-contemporary American political landscape was not even raised until 1963, when summer school teacher Henry Littlefield, while trying to teach the 1896 Presidential election and the turn-of-the-century Populist movement to bored history students, stumbled upon the idea of using the characters and events of The Wizard of Oz as metaphors to teach the concepts. He and his students made a number of connections - the Scarecrow represented the farmers, the Tin Woodman the factory workers, the Wizard was President Grover Cleveland or Republican presidential candidate William Mc Kinley, the Cowardly Lion was Democratic presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan, the silver shoes were the silver standard, the yellow brick road the gold standard, and so on - and Littlefield eventually wrote an article, "The Wizard of Oz: A Parable on Populism," which was published in the magazine American Quarterly in 1964. You can read this article here. Unfortunately, this was eventually taken to mean that Baum wrote the book as an allegory for the political landscape at the turn of the century despite the fact Littlefield believed Baum had no political agenda when he wrote the book."
" Hans Christian Andersen's The Little Mermaid is open to many allegorical interpretations, as are its various adaptations."
So, what is applicability and are these examples valid/applicable? Should the Laconic page be rewritten?
Edited by lalalei2001

So I ask on Image Pickin if an image is suitable, they say it is and...now what? Do I add it myself or do the staff add it?