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open Mr gentlemen?
There was a tv show called something like "the extraordinary mr gentalmen" but when I search it I can't find it. It was a real show about this guy who would push himself to do great things. He would show the process of it and the things he did wrong. He once was chained in a bag I think and thrown into the water and had to hold his breath and escape. Ine of the times it didn't go right he popped the blood vessels in his eyes. He also once got stung by a scorpion on his tounges while it was in his mouth. He also put a hole in a piece of wood by slamming his finger into it over and over again. I'm pretty sure his last name was gentalmen and it may have been a British show
openIs this an already-existing genre?
I recently found some similarities between Dante Alighieri's The Divine Comedy, Charles Dickens's A Christmas Carol and Frank Capra's It's a Wonderful Life. All three stories have elements of:
- Triparta, or “threeness”: The Divine Comedy is in three parts dealing with the afterlife and A Christmas Carol has three different Ghosts of Christmas. "Triparta" is a word I made up to mean "three parts".
- “Alterreality”: Realities that cannot be physically explored but are for the sake of the story.
- Temporal vs. Spatial: A Christmas Carol has temporal alterreality in the past, present and future; The Divine Comedy has spatial alterreality in Hell, Purgatory and Heaven; It’s a Wonderful Life has elements of both in the version of reality without George Bailey.
- Often combined with Triparta: Both The Divine Comedy and A Christmas Carol have alterrealities divided into three parts.
- Downplayed in It's a Wonderful Life: The past and present portions of life without George are told to him by Clarence and are not shown. The future is not shown at all.
- A protagonist who is past their youth who is in dire need of change lest they suffer a horrible fate: Thirty-year-old Dante in The Divine Comedy has lost his way to being in God’s love; elderly Scrooge in A Christmas Carol is a miser in need of the Christmas Spirit; and thirtysomething George Bailey in It’s a Wonderful Life is on the verge of committing suicide because he feels he’s made no difference in his life. The horrible fate in question is usually either death and/or damnation: Dante and Scrooge face eternal damnation in Hell if they don’t change their ways; George will die if he does not, and given Christian attitudes on suicide, would likely have wound up in Hell for killing himself.
- They have no power while undergoing their journey: Dante is powerless against both the environments and agents of fate of Hell, Purgatory and Heaven; Scrooge cannot escape the visions of the past, present and future shown to him by the Spirits; this is downplayed in It’s a Wonderful Life: George can communicate with people in the alternate Bedford Falls/Pottersville, but cannot convince them of who he is (justified since he never existed in this reality; they can’t remember someone they never knew).
- Spiritual guidance provided by spiritual entities: Virgil and later Beatrice guide Dante in The Divine Comedy; the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present and Future guide Scrooge in A Christmas Carol; and the angel Clarence guides George in It’s a Wonderful Life.
- The protagonist changes to a better state not unlike youthful purity at the end of the story: Dante is reunited with God’s love at the end of the Paradisio; Scrooge becomes nicer and more genial at the end of A Christmas Carol; and George’s will to live is restored at the end of It’s a Wonderful Life. This change is required, for without it they face death and/or damnation.
- Restorative vs. Transformative: Their change is either meant to return to them something they have lost or revert them to their previous way of thinking (restorative) or convert them to a better path (transformative). Dante’s change restores his virtue; while Scrooge changes to be a nicer, happier and more charitable person. George’s change has elements of both: He is restored to his previously happy and lively self after he is made to realize something he had not known previously. Dante’s change is restorative, Scrooge’s is transformative and George’s is a mixture of both.
My question is, does this type of story exist already? I think it has merit as a trope. The gist of it is that a protagonist who is past their youth is shown the consequences for their current behavior by a Spirit Guide - whether by going on a journey or through visions - and comes out of it in a better emotional, mental or spiritual state, whether because they've been enlightened, regained something they lost, shown the error of their ways or something else. Does this already exist?
Edited by SirHandel3openIs the trope being used subjectively? Film
So I recently went on the Star Wars – Resistance Heroes and found that someone had listed Love Dodecahedron under general character tropes. The issue I found with the application was that three of the four "romantic attractions", Poe and Rey, Finn and Poe, and Rey and Kylo (that last one includes a character that's not even featured) listed were not canonical. From examples I've seen under the page for the trope itself, Love Dodecahedron seems to only apply to canon romantic interest multiple characters have in one another. Is this correct or did I miss something? Also I already contacted the editor but they have yet to respond.
Edited by PsytraineropenLost all information about Paul and Josh in Big Brother 19?
I'm currently rotating between editing and improving articles on the big three reality competitions of CBS, Survivor, Big Brother, and The Amazing Race. Something strange happened. hiddenelastic suddenly put in a cutlist request for the page that was supposed to display the top two players of Big Brother 19 and their information, and wanted to rename it Big Brother 19 Winner and Runner Up. The page was abruptly cut. However, the rename itself has been messed up and it is redirect to a red link and the cutlist entry has been buried. When I went to try and transplant the folder text from the old page, everything was wiped out.
I checked Wayback Machine, and it has the data from back in November in a snapshot.
https://web.archive.org/web/20171109052623/https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/BigBrother19WinnerRunnerUp
Is there anyone who can the most recent information before the botched cut?
This is the repair shop entry. (made a rather idiotic mistake and somehow double-posted the same entry with an extra mouseclick)
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1516048485085561500&page=1#1
As a side note, on the Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers character page, a user got in touch with me. I have been advised to make the information on future entries less emotionally charged and matter-of-fact, and a lot of the Big Brother entries have been guilty of that, some of which I realized I inadvertently worsened thinking the style of writing was acceptable and I am now trying to find and rectify. The entries for Big Brother 1 I have made are attempts to be faithful to the source material (pure expansion and gameplay events and their interactions), but then you get to Season 19 and suddenly it turns into a swamp of negative commentary which is so messy I don't know what to add or remove.
Edited by Maddoxsortopen Is inadvertently insulting oneself an Insult Backfire?
Most of the examples of Insult Backfire are situations where one person attempts to insult another, but the target doesn't take the comment as an insult.
What I'm looking for is a trope where the speaker insults another person, but in doing so inadvertently insults themself.
The situation I'm thinking of comes from real life (17th century Germany, to be specific). Princess Charlotte, married to Prince Karl, searches the room of Luise, a Lady-in-Waiting. There, she finds love letters Karl has written to Luise, along with some of her own jewels that Karl had given to Luise. Charlotte calls in Karl's sisters, shows them the jewels, and says, "Princesses, these are the rewards of a whore! Shouldn't they be mine?" Karl's sisters find that comment hilarious. Is that an Insult Backfire?
openftl-capable alien species female protagonist merging consciousness with whale/ship/alien Literature
ftl-capable Space whale/living ship/alien species female protagonist merging consciousness with whaleshipalien (too long for title)
Sooo I've been through many of your tropes that rang with what I'm looking for. The only one I haven't found (that's in the title) is the merging cousciousness. Looking for the book for a friend, but I'll definitely read it myself when I get the title, because it sounds pretty awesome.
So then the somewhat vague description I have is:
A book about a girl and a strange alien species that are ftl capable. Humans ride the alien species by entering them and merging their consciousness. In the end the girl completely lets go of her consciousness and becomes one with her spacewhale. Yes, so I spoiled it for me too. The human society doesn't know of the transformations pilots undergo and it was found catalogued under juvenile/childrens book in a library.
Well it's vague, but thanks for hearing me out. If you have any clarifying questions, please tell me and I'll pass them on. My friend read the book when she was young, so maybe the answers won't be as clear as you are hoping for.
openMassive Edit that ignores Discussion Page on Characters/OverwatchOffense
Hi, I'd like to ask a mod to revert a massive edit that was made on Overwatch Offense.
Not long ago, Overwatch writers made a post on Twitter that contradicted things which had been stated in materials previous to that, in particular, regarding the Face–Heel Turn of one of it's main villains. Afterwards, it was brought up on the Discussion page
and there, I argued that regardless of what Word of God says now, the supplementary materials they'd published previously contradicts it. While of course, stories can always change, revise itself, or outright retcon previous information, it doesn't change what was published.
As such, I'd like to request a reversion on the mass edit that was made by Tropers.Winter Valkryie. It seems premature, especially since the aforementioned discussion petered out before a decision was reached.
openMultiple Idiot ball edits and YMMV/TheFlash2014S4E10TheTrialOfTheFlash Live Action TV
Regarding an idiot ball edit . I removed it once as it seemed stated that Barry was stupid for refusing reveal his identity. Therefore due to his stupidity was unsympathetic. When a ) he gave valid and justified reasons why he wouldn't. The safety of his friends and family b ) various criminals have escaped before Killer Shark and Peekaboo so if they knew who he was his family would be targeted c ) As said to Iris he and the others would be constantly on the run and d) Noone in the Arrow verse has a publicly outed themselves for the same reason. Also it looks like another attempt to label Barry with a what an idiot or idiot ball trope for not revealing his identity. Despite those tropes were deleted for not applying to Barry's case. I have deleted it once. As has another troper. But it has returned either as unintentionally unsympathetic or what an idiot . The argument is the same that Barry is stupid for not revealing himself. However Barry made plain WHY. The same reason no one in the Arrow verse secret ID is public. Safety of friends and family.
Not only from Metas but everyday criminals he put away.
Not only that as a CI working for the Police any case worked and convicted could lead to hundreds of mistrials as Barry reveal as a vigilante could give grounds of conflict of interest. Basically the trope is calling him an idiot for not taking an action that could not be taken realistically
I want to remove the trope but that would be edit warring. Put it up for discussion but nothing.
Edited by Tuvokopen TV Show with Skull Floating Room to Room In Intro Live Action TV
Apologies if detail is sparse, but in the late 70’s as a small kid I remember going to my grandma’s. Some days she would have her TV on and a show would come on that I can best describe it started with a skull beginning to float off a shelf and through a room, perhaps to other rooms. Then after the show, the skull would float itself back to its original location. The show may have been black and white, and may have been much older than the era I was seeing it. I wish I could remember more. Does anyone have any idea what show this was? I don’t think it was a movie, I think it was a TV series.
open A cut request I didn't make
So I was browsing through Steven Universe's subpages and found that TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.Steven Universe had been cut... By myself. I don't remember making this request, and considering how many entries the trope had, I wouldn't consider it unneeded. How did this happen?
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenVideoGame/PrimusUnderfell Videogame
Alright, where do I begin? The page is full of ZCEs, is only indexed to Undertale's fanworks page, and is possibly importing offsite drama. At the least, it's not related to the game itself and shouldn't be there.
Also, aside from fixing what I assumed to be a spelling error, Reptiny is the only one who's edited the page.
openLooking for Specific Titles Videogame
Is there a way to request new entries or something? I wanted to read about a few specific games, but they don't come up in the search, which I assume means they don't exist here. But, I would really like to read more into them and be able to find some quotes and stuff (the rest of the Internet has nothing). So, I was hoping that I could request for their pages to be made, if it's okay. I can't contribute myself since I'm not that good at these things. It would be great if there were a section for requested titles. Anyway, the games I'm looking for are "Gone in November" and "Far From Noise"; there are a few other titles I'd like to see as well, but can't remember what they were, right now. Thanks!
open SkidTroper and The Red Pill
Skid Troper unilaterally created a page about The Red Pill documentary, a highly contentious work about the Men's Rights Movement. Skid Troper has, on multiple occasions, been questioned for his edits adding an overly-conservative and pro-Christian bias to the site. Particularly on the Mass Effect: Andromeda and Acceptable Religious Targets pages, so his decision to do this makes me a little nervous.
Particularly because of a few edits he's made on the Red Pill pages as well as others.
On UsefulNotes.Feminism, he added:
- Further events, such as several feminists scathingly one-sided criticisms of the documentary "The Red Pill", have only added fuel to the fire.
- Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics: Cassie discusses how domestic abuse statistics are often applied in ways that lead to the persecution of men, mainly in men being singled out for persecution in domestic abuse cases. In addition, the omission of homosexual couples domestic violence statistics from the legal system's enforcement of laws is also lampshaded. The misreading of statistics to support the Wage Gap is also explored.
- Men Are the Expendable Gender: One of the prominent female privileges discussed in the film is women's exemption from the draft. Even as a feminist, this was something Jaye herself conceded and was a prominent talking point with Paul Elam. This is also discussed as a possible reason why society at large sidelines or suppresses men's issues.
From YMMV.The Red Pill:
- Strawman Has a Point: Cassie originally planned to criticize the Men's Rights Movement as a hate group. She then learned about their actual causes and their history, making her believe that they are largely correct.
- Values Resonance: The message remains relevant in The New '10s, with further feminist movements and social media campaigns by feminist celebrities (many of which are controversial, some even straying into misandry), such as the movements #Me Too! and Time's Up. There is also the continuing trouble passing laws that are fair to both genders, particularly in divorce court, sexually-based offences and the handling of domestic abuse.
- Writer on Board: Cassie Jaye went to great lengths to avert this, also because she started making the film as a feminist and the research she did throughout convinced her to stop being a feminist, which altered the final product.
open SkidTroper making deliberately misogynistic edits on contentious pages.
It has been brought to my attention that SkidTroper has been making a considerable number of edits that show a bias towards the Men's Rights Movement, but with a slant that is openly hateful towards in particular feminism, but also towards women in general. This behavior is not supported by the wiki. Not only this, but when faced with anything but positive responses (literally doing nothing enrages him) he is openly confrontational and claims to be singled out and that people want to suppress/oppress him. There are also concerns that he is spreading falsehoods regarding atheism, Christianity and what he sees as "anti-Christian".
Here
is a link to the 2013 "The wiki has a feminist bias" thread that was resolved, thus long before Skid Troper ever made an appearance there had been conceited efforts to prevent any bias, as well as explaining to the "concerned" troper at the time that feminism isn't misandrist to no avail. Oh, and his grammar is terrible.
Below are some particularly bad edits of Skid Troper's I've singled out for inspection. I'd also cast a cautious eye on his troper page — particularly where he says he has unrelenting views on Christianity, the strong opinions he holds about how characters and beliefs "should be" presented in works, the view of himself as a "real man" (i.e. tough and outdoorsy and always morally right, according to the entry it's linked to), the fact he applies Perverse Sexual Lust to himself, and, for completeness sake, the claim to Aspergers Syndrome in how, in fairness, he may not know that he is doing something wrong and we are unlikely to be able to convince him that he could change his editing behavior.
- From the Discarded Men's Rights Activism TLP
:
- the Useful Notes for Feminism allows for a discussion of the controversial term "Patriarchy" despite the fact that it gets overused, sometimes to the point of being misandrist
- I do not care whether or not I'm liked here and will not back down from making this just because some people don't like it
- keep in mind any attempts at page blanking or vandalism will be undone
- no one gave suggestions on how to make it neutral other than asking me to remove all mention of the Red Pill, the Manosphere and some of the terms; that is not making it neutral, that is suppressing facts (facts meaning, these are commonly held views in the Manosphere). To me, that comes across less as "keep the text neutral" and more "I disagree with these things so much I want them censored" (as for WHY people want those censored, I don't know, but given the dim reception this trope had I've got some suspicions).
- My draft has been singled out, that's why it's in the "Nuked" section [...] There has been widespread media censorship for anything that challenges a leftist narrative <— in particular, this definitely shows the self-important attitude that is a common feature of misogynistic men.
- The Red Pill and its YMMV page.
- I will say that this is a work page and so may exist. However, the description is currently very short and alludes to (though does not say outright) that feminists should convert to MRA and "question [their] views on gender, power, and privilege".
- Generally bad grammar and phrasing, but the main issue really is the promotion of MRA over feminism.
- Nothing against MRA, except for the fact that this troper seems to be describing it not as "equal rights for men" and instead as "feminists oppress men".
- Acceptable Religious Targets: history
- Edit warring about Scientology
- Adding a lot of very biased and unproven information on atheism and communism vs. religion.
- Changed:
- to
- Deleted:
- But kept the statement that follows it, which is a lot more negative without the above context:
- And a lot more, but I don't want to overload this.
- YMMV.Mass Effect Andromeda
- Edit warring (I think?) about religious allegories in the game, even though it was taken to discussion and his edits reverted by consensus.
- Added the (incorrectly indented) below entry about mild representations of Nazis being anvilicious (Nazi sympathizing?)
- And this: (given the kett's Nazi and religious parallels and the historical targets of left-wing politics)
- Literally every mention of religion, Nazis, fanaticism, and political targets on the page was added by him.
- Just, completely unilaterally rewrote Knight Templar.
Edited by lakingsif
openHow to trope an untitled work
This post on StackOverflow
is a bit of creative writing in response to a Berserk Button of a question. It displays a nice collection of madness tropes, as well as things like Take That! or Bread, Eggs, Milk, Squick. Since it's untitled, how would I go about making a work page for it (Web Original, I presume), and how would I link to it?
openThinking of Editing Example from "Lawyer Friendly Cameo"
It is the Whately Universe example in Literature. Not counting that Whately Universe is not fiction, the entry itself feels like it needs working:
Fanon has agreed that Fantastico and his group the Good Ol' Boyz (the G.O.B.) in the Whateley Universe are George W. Bush and his cabinet and staff, but with superpowers. It's pretty obvious, since Fantastico is a Texan named Bert Walker Jr. and he's even used some famous George Bush lines. The weird part is that the author writes Phase as a millionaire who is a serious Republican and fiscal conservative, and defends those positions. It's possible that the author is a serious Republican and fiscal conservative... who hates Bush. (Not unheard of: GWB was not a fiscal conservative, and was highly unpopular among certain kinds of Republicans by the end of his second term.)
open What do you call this kind of edit?
Is there a word/TV Tropes term for when you make an edit, then you realize you made a mistake in that edit and re-edit that same entry to fix your mistake? I thought that was called a "null edit", but then I looked up Administrivia.Edit Reasons And Why You Should Use Them and found that that's not what that means.
The reason I ask this is because I've done this before: I've made mistakes in my edits, and I would always catch them and re-edit them to correct my own mistakes, and I would always point out in the Edit Reason Box that "I caught my own mistake and corrected them myself." However, I just realized that I've never known if there's an actual term for this kind of edit.
Maybe this is a weird question, but it's something that's been on my mind for months, and I only just remembered to ask now.
Edited by mouschilightopenVideoGame/{{Overwatch}}: Retcon or not?
The 1st February 2018, Michael Chu told on Twitter and the forums
that D.va was never a starcraft professional, despite her being teased on a page that repertoried Starcraft pros, her bio on that site telling she became the 1 in the world at 16 and kept that title for three years, touring around the world, her announcer pack for Starcraft 2 telling the same thing
, multiple Blizzcon panels where that was told, and the game diretor himself calling her a Starcraft pro in an interview a month before the reveal.
Chu says that establishing her as a Starcraft pro was never the intention and that they were only trying new ways of teasing heroes.
Is this a retcon or not?
I ask because me and number9robotic are in a bit of an Edit War on whether or not it's a retcon.
Edited by cricri3007open ??? Film
Okay... here's what I know! I viewed this movie (or possibly an episode of a show) during the 2000s (2004 to 2012). All that I recall is that there were two main characters being followed throughout the film. One being a boy/guy and the other being a human-sized robot (who would later reveal herself to be a girl/woman after removing the robot head/helmet). I believe they were both on some sort of quest, but that is all that comes to mind. And it was not a cartoon! Thanks!!! :)
Edited by Ritchey1398

Okay so here's what happens. All these rude, and stretched, and maybe even factually wrong entries are on IdiotPlot.Star Wars for The Phantom Menace. Werebazs removes them with the reason "These self-contradicting and non-sensical complains were originally posted, answered and since noone disputed the answers, removed from The Phantom Menace. The fact that they reposted here almost word-for-word indicates the same person, eventhough the editor name is different. If you want these complains to remain, please try to disprove the answers I reposted on the Discussion page." and takes them to discussion, but darkknight109 adds them back for no reason. Javertshark 13 then begins to delete some of those entries, but once again darkknight109 readds them and this time with the edit reason "If you wish to undo edits to this page, please join the ongoing discussion in the "Discussion" tab.".
Edited by SatoshiBakura