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openJeff Goldblum: Is He Adam Westing? Film
Jeff Goldblum (wonderful sweet man and the love of my internet life) has, mostly of late, been known to play characters that are basically just him being his Goldblum-iest self (ex. The Grandmaster in Thor: Ragnarok) So my question is whether this is a case of Adam Westing or Type-Casting or some other trope that I am forgetting?
openThemself or themselves? Western Animation
A few days ago, The Tropper created the Recap page for the Steven Universe episode "Jungle Moon". In the summary, they had used "themselves" for Stevonnie. I changed it to "themself" as that's what the official summary uses, and what I thought was the correct pronoun. Three days ago, Tropper changed it back. So what is it? When you refer to one person, is it themselves or themself?
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiastopensystem not reverting edits
Looking to the history, i guess that a mod tried revert the edits of bounced troper Incandescent Brood in Pokémon Anime - Team Rocket. Looking to the page itself, their edits stayed there.
openShould NationalStereotypes be folderized? It's seems quite long?
Should National Stereotypes be folderized
? It's seems quite long?
The only reason I'm not doing it myself is I forget how index tags work with the wicks inside folders, if the tags have to be in each folder, or if they automatically collect the wicks, even if they're inside folders.
Is there a page with info on the Index tags? Text Formatting Rules doesn't seem to be it...
openTroper/Yu-Gi-Oh-related question Anime
I've seen a yuugame2 around recently. There used to be a yuugame account that made the same sorts of edits they do—long-winded manga-based Yu-Gi-Oh entries with occasional downplaying or putting down the anime, IE
"Enemy Mine: In the manga, after his initial Monster World RPG with them, he occasionally and openly helps the main group, particularly during Duelist Kingdom and Dungeon Dice Monsters, and a couple of times he shows up then willingly gives Ryo back control of his body. After the Monster World arc, he decided that keeping Yugi alive until the Shadow RPG is more beneficial to his plans agenda than outright opposing him as he did in the original RPG. The only reason he openly helps the group is because their adversaries are getting in the way of his own plans, such as trying to kill Yugi and take the Millennium puzzle, and it's also a way to gain Yugi's trust and then easily stab him in the back afterward. He rarely has shades of this in the anime, where he's permanently in-control and impersonating Ryo, and the gang have no idea that the spirit of the Millennium Ring is controlling him."
Some of this entry also isn't true, as Ryo was in control of himself at times in the anime, albeit to a lesser extent, and he was being manipulated in the manga often as well. From the '2' in the account name I was wondering if anything had happened to the original yuugame account, too. The first yuugame went up to January 2.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=yuugame
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=yuugame2
openDoes Red And Wolf exist
Red And Wolf was created recently and I'm having trouble finding any other sources that confirm it's existence
The page itself says that information is scarce but could anyone please help me figure out if the creator is making things up
Edited by jormis29openEdit Warring on The Last Jedi
TastySauce has started edit warring
on The Last Jedi page over something really silly... putting capitals after an ellipsis. I'm not too sure myself what's the most correct form, but he should have called a discussion rather that just reiterate his last edit.
openInclusion of DesignatedHero in VillainProtagonist
26 Dec, THEKHAN added an example in Villain Protagonist. As the own example admitted that this was an example of Designated Hero(aka-a character that, despite his lack of heroic qualities is, where the history is concerned, a hero), i removed this with "Designated hero = not a villain" as edit reason. 1 Jan, THEKHAN readded the example with the following edit reason: "Yeah right. Stop defending a badly made plot by a high school misantrophe, would you? She and her entire race are villains, full stop. Full stop. The fanbase and the author itself claims that it has no real villains, but that's only really because the Drow are the creator's pets and are evil for the sake of being evil, but unlike the Dn D drow nothing about their society requires them to do any of the shit they do"
openTroper with Zero Context Example violations
I sent a ZCE Notifier to naal2
, who uncommented an Abhorrent Admirer Zero Context Example on Characters.Hercules. In response, they sent a pretty hostile PM back, saying that it wasn't a ZCE and that I should fix it myself. I answered that the entry should describe the character's behaviour that makes them the trope. They again sent a condescending PM in response to that.
Seeing they are reacting uncooperatively to Notifiers, maybe a mod could look into this.
They have a habit of this, as they also recently uncommented a ZCE on Characters.Sailor Moon Shadow Galactica, and made a ZCE entry on Dragon Ball Z Characters
.
openDouble Meaning in "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." ep "Afterlife" Live Action TV
While browsing the double meaning / double entendre tropes, I was surprised not to see Jemma and Fitz's conversation listed somewhere. On the surface they appear to be arguing about Jemma helping "The Real S.H.I.E.L.D." to whom Fitz is adamantly opposed. With a slight twist, though, it's really about Fitz, having realized Jemma's making a fake Toolbox, confirms he should appear to quit so he can get the real one to Coulson. I'd add it myself, but I'm not sure what trope it would fall under. (I also wish I could find the conversation online. I guess I'll have to re-download the ep from iTunes and transcribe it myself.)
openHeadscratchers pages for not yet released works Film
Is it right that we have Headscratchers pages for movies that have not yet been released? Someone has set one up for the Deadpool sequel and all it is is a complaint about one of the characters that will be in it. (Link: The Untitled Deadpool Sequel ) Isn't Headscratchers to answer questions about something you might not understand from a work's plot, not a demand to know why a character is in it, without knowing how the story plays out first?
On a similar note, the Headscratchers page for The Last Jedi is full of people complaining about something the film did and then not liking or accepting when they are given an answer. Can someone take a look over that, I don't trust myself enough to be impartial on that page and I don't want to end up cutting out too much or leaving in my own pet theory, if someone less involved in that fandom could take a look then I'd appreciate it.
I feel like the headscratchers pages are devolving back towards being complaint sinks like they were in the Just Bugs Me days, and that isn't good.
openNot responding to PM Videogame
What is the correct thing to do if someone else doesn't reply to a PM regarding the misuse of a trope, and I cannot change the page back myself for that would constitute edit warring?
For the record, the troper in question is plcthecd and the page is Age of Empires II.
openthis is probably going to sound weird... can we make People Sit On Chickens?
Can we make an Administrivia page that explains how just because something is uncommon, it's presence in media is not necessarily a trope. I explicated this just now in a TLP draft with the People Sit On Chickens thing (people commonly sit on different kinds of chairs, this person sits on a chicken instead, is Not A Trope). Like people don't often have Irish Accents, but simply having one is not a trope. There are ways for an Irish accent to be used for storytelling purposes, but just having one is not. I think having an administrivia page to say "Uncommon does not equal Trope" would be useful, because I think a lot of people think both that 1. being unusual in real life makes fictional appearances notable and 2. since Too Rare To Trope implies that things that are uncommon but not rare can be troped, they are automatically tropes.
Also, Too Rare To Trope does not cover this. The TLP I am specifically talking about is called Non-Binary, and is currently "This Work Has A Non-Binary Character" — that is not rare, in modern times it is not particularly uncommon, but the OP is saying that since non-binary characters are not as common as male and female characters, it is a trope. Obviously, how common something chairs is compared to an equally chairs similar thing has no effect on it being less chairs in itself. It's like doing nothing but sitting, but on chickens this time. (Now, if you're doing it to hide the chickens or to incubate their eggs, or because it's a giant mutant that you've trained in order to ride...)
open Kids show I watched as a toddler(I think) in early 2000 Western Animation
It's a little long and I'm sorry for that. But this is everything I remember and it bothers me immensely that I don't remember what the show was for some reason. The rest of this is a copy paste from a rather long text message I sent to a group chat with my friends because I'm tired and don't want to type it all out. They don't know anything either, probably because they all live in different areas than I do and I'm sure that this was a local station.
The TV I had in my room was a very small box TV. I think it had "bunny ears" as some people called them, but basically the antennae that were used to get signal or something along those lines. I rarely moved those I think, since I never used the tv to watch live television. Which brings me to how I wonder.... I would have my vcr/DVD player hooked up to it, obviously, because I have always needed light and noise to sleep for some reason. So I would put in one of my DV Ds of a movie or an episode of Angelina Ballerina (I watched that all the time back then) and I would press the repeat button on the remote to the player so it would repeat the whole thing on loop all night. But sometimes when I would wake up early on Sunday (or maybe Saturday, but I'm sure it was Sunday) mornings(like 6 am early) it would be playing this stop motion(I think) cartoon with animals and it had a male narrator who sounded like the same on on every other cartoon I watched. I can't remember if the animals had voices outside of random noises. I remember that the animation and film was low quality, even for early 2000s(more like especially for early 2000s). I checked— these didn't seem to be a part of any of the DV Ds I owned. I never caught the name of the show. My mom doesn't remember it at all, it seems. She remembers me having the TV (which I kept for about a year. I don't remember why we got rid of it, but I wanna say it stopped working since it was rather old) I also remember one morning I finally woke up and it was on again (for some reason I remember it only coming on every once in a while but it felt like forever back then) and I went to dragged my mom into my room so she could tell me the name of the show but it wasn't on anymore when we came back. Which might be a stretch, but I remember it that way, oddly. It's possible that that was one of the days she didn't want to get out of bed and took too long, so the show that had very short episodes was over. But I remember the TV being off or... something.
Okay I'm going to add something here because I don't wanna go through what I just pasted to see if I forgot or not. The show was stop motion/claymation. I think. Or it was extremely bad(especially for early 2000s) 3D animation. It depicted animals. I don't remember them talking, but there was a male narrator. I wanna say he was English, but that I'm not sure. The only specific scene/episode I remember is one where a character, who I think was an elephant, wanted to be special or was boring with who he was, or maybe he was only trying to find a talent for himself... yeah that's it I think. Anyway, he started talking to his friends about their talents and I don't remember all of them but I do remember him talking to a beaver then going home and putting mustard and/or ketchup on a tree and trying to eat the bark off of it, like the beaver does. And he got sad when it didn't go the way he planned. That's all I have, a few things in my memory might be fuzzy(like the story about the TV show seemingly just being off when I finally got my nana into the room, I could easily remember that one wrong) it I think I got the details of the show correct. I only described the TV because I think this channel was local or something. I grew up in Bullard, Texas. I want to say I was between 4-7 years old, but most likely 4 or 5 (2005-2006 area most likely.)
openVideoGame/SIMULACRA Videogame
VideoGame.SIMULACRA has several all white examples. I'd go through them myself, but I haven't played through the game and don't know what actually constitutes as a spoiler.
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenUnwarranted removals
Editor Johnny Joestar
just deleted without a reason a perfectly valid YMMV entry here
, and it seems to be a habit : 2
3
(some ZC Es in the last one, but still that doesn't appear to be cause)
ETA : Base-Breaking Character is allowed to be linked in subpages IIRC, while the page itself is a description-only one.
Edited by TrollBrutalopenPossible Edit War Western Animation
On Dec 31st, user K added this to YMMV.Coco:
- While the movie has been in production for six years, and thus wasn't created with the intent of dropping this particular anvil, the heavy subtext of "Mexico is a beautiful country full of beautiful people" is sorely needed in the United States in 2017.
That was removed on Jan 5th after the Trump and ROCEJ thread
stated that edit may have violated the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement. I personally felt it was shoehorning an opinion in.
On Jan 8th, K replaced it with this:
- Co-Director Adrian Molina, from an interview with NPR, in response to a question about if the meaning of making a film set in Mexico over the course of six years changed at all since the 2016 election: "Well, it's a long time coming for Latinos to see themselves on screen represented in a way that they can be proud of and in a way that reflects the things that they value about their culture and they value about their families. [...] And for a family to go and see themselves reflected on screen the way they experience their lives and see that shown to the world means a lot. It means a lot for your self-esteem, and it means a lot for how you see yourself in the world."
Is this Edit War, and should I message K and tell him to go to the Trump and ROCEJ thread and Coco's discussion pages?
Edited by jameygameropenFallout 4 Headscratchers Institute
Okay so I was going through the headscratchers page. I generally love the insights each responder brings. But one thing on the institute and all the Fallout organizations is that they start with a lofty goal. Then drop to amorality. The whole question on the synths. Look at Nick. He was a transferred mind to a new near immortal body. But perhaps blending more organics is the key. Father was just another donor when they collected him. Not a director. So they changed direction over sixty years. What started as a chance for immortality was repurposed to drones. Infiltration is being designed by people who have no idea what infiltration is. What I would like to ask is how a parallel noted on the guns. Institute guns are not as good as pre-war lasers but look cooler. Was not considered for them? Every argument they have made for their own methods seems to be summed up with. They are operating in a vacuum. The old world wiped itself away. So we must remove all information on the old world in order to do better. Instead of 'What did they do wrong' it simplifies to 'they were wrong'. Mathematically neat, but failing in the real world.

This was added to Doki Doki Literature Club! by Etheru on November 17:
I removed it later that day for being a non-example with this edit reason: "I'm not really sure this should count...having a skip button is a standard feature of visual novels, and in Ren'Py in particular, V Ns made with it include it by default—you have to deliberately disable the functionality in order to not allow for skipping. It's a bit like calling the save function an AFF."
A similar example was added to the page by King Lyger, and subsequently edited by them, on December 8. It currently looks like this:
The third sentence is a valid example, but the rest is essentially the same as the example I removed. I was going to remove that part again, but I thought it might constitute an edit war if I did, even though they were added by two different tropers (and I don't think King Lyger intentionally re-added a deleted example; that page has gotten a lot of edits).
Edited by MissMokushiroku