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openAdvanced Edit Request Videogame
Will someone who has played the game please edit the NFS Payback trope page?
I made a few additions, but I haven't played the game myself.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/NeedForSpeedPayback
openPokemon Wham Episodes. Anime
From Wham Episode.Anime, I question the following from Pokémon.
- EP-015 "Battle Aboard the St. Anne". Giovanni appears for the first time and orders Team Rocket to attack the St. Anne, Ash trades his Butterfree for a Raticate (but later trades it back) and at the end the ship sinks with the group on board.
- EP-134 "Charizard's Burning Ambitions". Ash leaves Charizard, one of the anime's most loved Pokemon on the Charricific Valley.
- AG-044 "The Princess and the Togepi" and AG-045 "A Togepi Mirage". Misty comes back with new clothes, is revealed to own a Gyarados (depends if you are watching Chronicles on their Japanese air date), her Togepi evolves, and it's then released to take care of the Togepi paradise.
- AG-132 "The Scheme Team". The group separates and Ash comes back to Kanto. Ash encounters Agatha, who is the Viridian Gym Leader here and battles her. Then finds out about the battle Frontier and decides to challenge it. Then he finds Misty and an Azurill in his house, and Max also arrives there.
- DP-062 "Tanks For The Memories". Dawn gets depressed and stops believing in herself. Couple that with season-named sisters, one of them falling for Brock and Ash crossdressing as a maid, and you get an unforgettable episode.
- DP-189 "The Semi-Final Frontier". One of the most influential episodes within the fandom. Ash gets to the Sinnoh League semifinals, where he finds a strong trainer named Tobias. After many losses Ash gets to beat his Darkrai, but Tobias is then revelated to own a Latios who ends up at a tie with Ash's Pikachu, leaving Ash with no Pokémon left and thus eliminated from the League. Additionally, when the episode finished airing on Japan, Ash's return as the protagonist in the Best Wishes series was announced, complete with his controversial eye style change.
- BW-001 "In the Shadow of Zekrom". Another influential episode, but this time thanks to the rather trivial fact that Ash is still 10 years old. Additionaly, the battle between Pikachu and Snivy is also controversial and people still talk (or complain) about it today.
- BW-018 "Sewaddle and Burgh in Pinwheel Forest!" Ash captures Sewaddle, breaking the format of Ash capturing only six Pokemon per Region. Ash would go on to catch nine Unova Pokémon.
- BW-023 "Battling For The Love of Bug-Types!". The previous two episodes (that featured Team Plasma vs Team Rocket) were banned, so there were a lot of questions unanswered, and this episode at least provided the answer to one of them: Team Rocket lost. As a result of that, Team Rocket came back to their usual selves dressed in white, and acted a bit funny. Additionaly, Ash's Sewaddle evolves, James caughts a Yamask and Ash gets his third Unova badge.
- BW-096 "Meloetta and the Undersea Temple!" and BW-097 "Unova's Survival Crisis". Team Rocket gets to control Meloetta, Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus, Ash faces Giovanni for the first time, albeit briefly, Giovanni gets mad for power but loses in the end, causing Team Rocket to be withdrawn from Unova.
- XY-060 "A Showcase Debut". Serena participates on her first Pokemon Showcase, but loses in the Theme Performance round. Early the next morning, Serena goes to a dock and cries for her failure, but after being reconfortated by her Pokemon, she proceeds to cut her hair and change her style permanently. Additionaly, a mysterious woman and a former performer named Palermo is introduced.
- XY-062 "The Future Is Now, Thanks to Determination!" Clemont's Luxio evolves, but more importantly, Clemont decides to leave the group temporarily in order to prepare his battle with Ash. This is the first instance of a travel companion leaving the group in the middle of a series, though Clemont comes back after said battle.
- XY-064 "Battling with Elegance and a Big Smile!" The writers really were on a good run here. Serena meets her idol Aria (disguised as Ariana) and gets to battle her, with her Fennekin evolving into Braixen in the process. Also, Ash's rival Sawyer gets an Early-Bird Cameo.
- SM-021 "One Journey Ends, Another Begins..." The episode begins with the recurring Litten panicking and worried because the elderly Stoutland that took it in hasn't been in good health. Ash and Nurse Joy do what they can, but it isn't injured or sick. Stoutland dies of old age.
Any objections/thoughts?
resolved Self-demonstrating works pages?
I just came across the Pygmy page, where the plot description and all the examples are written in imitation of the narrator's idiosyncratic prose style. The author deliberately chose the prose style to make it unclear what was going on, which is fine in a novel but I think is unhelpful in an informative web page. Is there a policy covering this?
openTroper editing with questionable phrasing.
Troper Euodiachloris made some entrees to the Dark Souls character page for the Dark Souls: Main Characters and Lords and the overall phrasing seems really poor to me. For example;
- Determinator: Kaathe keeps trying to end the Age of Fire, no matter how many poor saps get corrupted in the meantime. If he'd been less bull-headed in trying full-on people-experiments in closely-related places, he might have been able to step back and ask himself a little more about what connected all the failures. Instead of victim-blaming people, he might have found clues to look a little more at the flipping seal in the actual Ringed flipping City and wasted a whole lot less of everybody's time on religious frippery and lies.
This seems to be filled with a lot of natter plus the overall entree really feels off.
open Acceptable Religious Targets content negotiation
It looks like a Double Standard is at work here from where I'm standing, and the page's opening Warts and All is only applied to some beliefs and not others on that page. The article seems to tip-toe around some beliefs (such as Judaism, atheism and Scientology; of course there may a level of real-life You Wanna Get Sued? making people tip-toe around Scientology), but go all out on others (such as Christianity and Islam) on that page; otherwise why is it acceptable for the page to say, and I quote "the defining criticism of Christianity is hypocrisy" (though it does state that hypocrisy is not limited to Christianity or the religious) and criticize Christianity's anti-LBGT stance (while it does mention homophobia existing in Buddhism) but not mention the negative stereotype about Judaism (the prejudiced stereotype of Jews being greedy, one example of such is Shylock from Shakespeare's "The Merchant of Venice")? That would be a textbook example of discrimination, prejudice and a Double Standard.
I do not say, think, or believe that all Jews are greedy (every creed has some greedy members anyway). I made edits to the Christianity folder to try and make it smaller, more compact, while still keeping the grievances mentioned. My goal here is to make the Christianity folder more compact while keeping the facts mentioned, list some of the discrimination and negative stereotypes Jewish people have faced and describe some of the details of anti-religious discrimination in the atheism section ([[several https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/anti.html
]] examples
can
be seen
in these links
(I list them because the nature of anti-religious discrimination by atheist regimes seems to be an obscure fact).
I listed reasons that had been given for Antisemitism (similar to how how the Christianity sections lists at length the various grievances people have with Christianity and the Islam section below Judaism lists the various grievances people have with Islam). I don't have grievances with Judaism itself, though I am not Jewish. As for the atheism section it's a fact that several atheist regimes have been responsible for violent persecution of the religious (I added the example of North Korea killing people for having Bibles because it's the most egregious example of anti-religious prejudice that I know. Several more
examples
can
be seen
in these links
).
So how can these points raised be addressed? (It would be disingenuous to sweep them under the rug or whitewash them)
Edited by SkidTroperopenNeed Verification of Existence of Jojo Meme
On the YMMV page of Battle Tendency, I found this Memetic Mutation entry:
Ahh! Sto-sama is dead!/あーん!スト様が死んだ! : Tankobon releases of the manga used to have a section for fan-submitted art. One of the pieces chosen was of the slightly unhinged artist bawling on Straizo's chest at the end of the volume in which he dies. Likely kicked off because of the hilarious Fangirl Self Insert going on, and goes to show you that Estrogen Brigades as we know it (and the Draco in Leather Pants aspect of Fan Dumb for that matter) predate the Internet by a loooooong shot.
Nonetheless, a quick search yielded nothing, and now, I am starting to suspect that it does not actually exist.
openIsaac Heller and Pokemon Spoilers Videogame
I'm a bit worried that the Troper Isaac Heller is adding story related spoilers from Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon to various pages, but I don't want to spoil myself from this aspect, so I'm not willing to check his edits.
Edited by PDLopenThe Emoji Movie page problems Western Animation
The main Emoji Movie page has a lot of weird, shoehorned examples, as does the YMMV page, mainly about how Smiler was right and/or the movie broke its own aesops. Most of the pertinent entries were written by the same troper, MeaJae97.
Examples:
"
- If Jailbreak is meant to be a strong independent minded female role model, then why does she learn to fit in with the expectations of society? It seems to suggest that you can only save the day by following tradition. And why does the movie treat her as being selfish for rejecting Gene's fairy-tale views of romance?
- If the movie was supposed to mock the excessive use of technology, then this was sure as hell broken when sending a text ultimately saves the day. Also, none of the human characters learn the drawbacks of their obsession with technology.
- Hi-5 has to learn to stop being a narcissistic jerk and yet he still yearns for popularity through the entire movie. After he says he learned his lesson, he shouts about how "they love us" without any humility. Lesson learned.
- For a movie where women "have limitless potential"
there don't seem to be any interestingly written female characters. The generic order obsessed villain, the generic princess, the generic tough girl, and the generic love interest. Note that the only female character of significance other than the villain fits three out of those four characters.
- Wisecrack Edition made the case that
the lesson of "you should reject societal expectations and express who you truly wish to be" couldn't escape unbroken. Sure, Smiler was defeated and the Emojis learn that it's perfectly fine to express more than one emotion. However, there is still the fact that they are stuck with one function, to serve Alex. What a brilliant life. Emojis were invented for this very specific purpose, so Textopolis is a terrible metaphor. The movie constantly validates the idea that they should only peruse society's intended purpose for them. In Real Life, this can easily prevent people from being themselves.
- If Emojis wanted to become more than merely vessels of conveying ideas, then Alex could simply delete them as they would have outlived their usefulness. After all, Gene didn't stop the phone from being erased. It was Alex who prevented it because his crush was so Easily Impressed.
- Aspects of the caste system still remain intact as the unpopular Emojis remain in the Loser Lounge.
- Jailbreak learns to stop valuing freedom and reverts back to being a Princess.
- Gene quickly discards the idea of leaving the phone forever.
- Hi-5 never dumps his narcissistic ways."
"* Unwitting Instigator of Doom: If the villain had simply had her way, then the movie would be far shorter. And audiences would be better off as a result.
- Well-Intentioned Extremist: Smiler tries to delete Gene because she sees him as an existential threat to the safety of Textopolis."
openCan this page be restored to an earlier version?
I was wondering if a mod could restore Anti Heroes to an earlier version because someone messed up the page and i cannot fix it myself for some reason.
open Recaped episodes are still said to be not indexed Live Action TV
Normally, after indexing the main Recap page itself, a blank edit on that is enough to index the individual episode pages, but for some reason it just doesn't work on The Punisher
. Is that simply a bug or is there an editing error? Help would be appreciated :)
openSticky Example Removal Situation
This might be me tattling on myself a bit, but okay.
On the Red Hood and the Outlaws page, I added an entry for Off-Model that applied to some guest characters for one issue. User Tzitzimine deleted this entry, and I replaced it. I figured that adding back a valid entry wouldn't count as Edit Warring, but I suppose it might. If so, my apologies. If I have to face the consequences of that, that's fair.
Anyway, Tzitzimine removed the entry again, with the edit reason that while the entry is valid, it belongs on the page for the series those guest characters are from. Not wanting to for sure cause an Edit War, I messaged them about it, saying that since the Off-Model example doesn't occur in that other series, it doesn't belong there, and to please add it back in.
That's where things stand now.
openWeird Entry in Replacement Goldfish of Anime - Do not Know what to do with it
So I was looking in Replacement Goldfish Anime page, and look at what I found:
There are two Replacement Goldfish relationships that complement and parallel each other. The orphaned Elric brothers take on their alchemy teacher Izumi as a mother figure, while Izumi herself had a stillborn child and now accepts the Elrics as surrogate children. Considering the result is pretty consistently a pus-oozing, organ pile, sin against God, you'd think people would learn eventually.
I can't tell if this is something understandable in context or just vandalism. Could someone please clarify this to me, so that I can proceed on?
openreporting review
This review
is about the work's TV Tropes article, rather than the work itself. I think I reported it way back when (I assume so, since I can't click the flag button) but there's been no change. Can I report it again somewhere?
openIs this a trope or a one-off? Live Action TV
I'm struck by a particular character in Sea Quest DSV, named General Guzmano, who's played by Luis Guzman - it's strange to me that he plays a minor character with such a strangely similar name to his own, but... NOT appearing as himself(?)
Came here looking for the trope name and some more examples, but found nothing :-(... Maybe this isn't a typical enough thing to have a name? Maybe it's not even a trope kind of thing? I'd love to know
openYMMV Riverdale issues Live Action TV
The YMMV.Riverdale page is full of anti-Betty stuff mostly made by one troper, hiddenelastic, who's used Base-Breaking Character and Creator's Pet incorrectly. I sent a Pm about Word Cruft since it was the closest match but we might need to craft PMs about problem tropes like that, IE " Base-Breaking Character needs to acknowledge both sides of an argument" or "Creator's Pet must meet four specific criteria".
Examples:
"Base-Breaking Character: Betty, especially as of Season 2. Some fans argue that they find Betty annoying and hypocritical. Many fans opinions of her have changed for the negative after she blackmailed and threatened Cheryl in 2x02. Her self righteous attitude hasn't done her any favors with some of the fans either. The fact that a lot of fans feel that Betty is favored by the writers, doesn't help matters at all."
" Creator's Pet: Betty. Dear God, Betty. It's speculated that Betty is arguably the writer's favorite given how much focus they give her. This in turn has turned many fans off of Betty's character and they actually find her more annoying and boring, especially in Season 2. Many fans have complained that they wish the writers would stop putting so much focus on Betty and focus on other characters like Kevin, Josie, and especially Cheryl. "
Edited by lalalei2001open BewareQuietOnes -- personal bias, invalid example, vandalism
I don't know if this has already been done, but I'll call this person out anyways, just in case. So I just took a look at Satellite Character, and I noticed some extreme personal bias against Hinata in one of the Naruto entries. As pointed out in many of her examples in the Characters.Naruto Team Eight Members and as originally argued in the Discussion page for Characters.Naruto Naruto Uzumaki (see here
), Hinata is far more fleshed out than simply being Naruto's main love interest. In Chapter 78, Hinata admits to Neji that she wants to change herself because she hates herself for being weak, and she wants to be strong and be acknowledged by their clan. In Part II, Hinata protects Neji when he collapses in Chapter 540, cries when Neji sacrifices himself in Chapter 614, protects Neji's dead body in Chapter 616, recalls Neji training her in Chapter 633, pleads for Neji to protect Naruto in Chapter 662, dreams that Neji's alive in her genjutsu dream in Chapter 678, and mourns Neji at his funeral in Chapter 699. In The Last: Naruto the Movie (which is Canon), Hinata prioritizes saving her little sister Hanabi over everything else, including a chance to be with Naruto right after he confesses his love to her—to the point where Hinata "rejects" him for Hanabi. These are just a few examples of Hinata's actual characterization, with evidence taken directly from canon. Therefore, Hinata is not an example of Satellite Character.
Beware Quiet Ones was the troper who added the Hinata example. This is the only edit they have on here, and they entered this back on August 4th, but this one edit of theirs is extremely biased against Hinata, deliberately ignoring her characterization and Character Development. And I know for a fact that personal bias of any kind is not allowed here on TV Tropes. It's easily vandalism because this edit of theirs can easily be deleted because it's not a valid example of the Satellite Character trope.
Here is Beware Quiet Ones's edit history: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=BewareQuietOnes
Here is the edit history for Satellite Character: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.SatelliteCharacter&more=t
openIs someone trying to ban-evade through me?
If someone PM's you telling you to add some trope examples, but that person has been suspended, is that person trying to ban evade through you? I've heard of ban evading, and I think this person is trying to do that through me, but I'm not sure, so I came here to hopefully get an answer. I have not responded to these PM's (I've been sent at least two such PM's from the same person), because I know this person has been suspended and I'm not about to get my own self suspended a second time.
Edited by mouschilight

In an issue of X-Factor the heroes are confronted by a villain calling himself Number One Fan (with spinning blades as his main weapons) leading one member of X-Factor to comment that "We must be just about tapped out of silly names to call ourselves". When Kitty Pryde heard of the name "Negasonic Teenage Warhead," her reaction was similar: "Wow, we really have run out of names." (Spoiler: Negasonic Teenage Warhead had been dead since the Genoshan massacre. Before her death, she planned to name herself after the song. (Furthermore, her death caused Emma Frost a mental breakdown. Suddenly, not so funny...)
I am considering removing the spoiler, because it feels rather forced. Do you think I should proceed?