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open How to write a character who was abused? Literature
Okay, I have this character in mind that I want to write. His name is Valentino, and yes, he's Italian. When he was younger, his parents were alcoholics, and they accumulated a lot of debt, so they sold him as a Indentured servant to a wealthy family. There, he meet Johann, the grandson of the wealthy couple, who believes Tino is a girl because he was forced to wear a maids uniform while he worked with his family. Anyway, whenever Valentino was at his parent's house, they mistreated him. Like, a lot. His father sometimes beat him for not being a girl, like his father wanted him to be, and his mother would force him a small closet whenever she had guests over, and told him that if he made a sound, he would be beaten. Johann, who is three years older than Valentino, wrote to him often during the year. (He visited his grandparents during the summers, but stopped when his mother past away when he was twelve.) Valentino never received these letters, because his parents take them and hide them from Valentino until they stopped coming. Valentino never forgot Johann, and is sad because he thinks Johann forgot about him. When Valentino turned eighteen, he joined the navy and served a term (six years). When he revisits his parents, he is forced to clean out the attic, where he finds all of Johann's old letters. Valentino has enough of his parents and mails himself in a crate to his old friend. So, that's his backstory. Anyway, the problem I have is that I intend having Valentino be this innocent, fun-loving person, almost as if he's reliving his childhood, but I don't know if that falls in line with his backstory. I'm not a psychologist.
openIs this a "Subverted" example?
There is this entry on Tv Tropes "Bring My Brown Pants" that states:
Subverted in Jack Neo's film We Not Naughty, the third film in his I Not Stupid trilogy. Weijie and Jianren believe that Mrs. CK has wet herself in fright, due to Jianren's erratic driving (granted, they were escaping from gangsters), however, instead, she is about to go in labor.
However, I am not so sure if it is a subverted example, because this trope is one that I cannot really see as subverted. Any suggestions to entry change?
openRule of Editing Judgement Potholes
Does anyone else find the trend of putting things on pages like "and that's all were going to day about that" potholed to Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement instead of just not mentioning it at all really condescending and obnoxious?
Almost seems like a dare to start a flamewar in and of itself.
Edited by shoboniopenSelf-demonstrating character page launch
If I want to make a self-demonstrating character page, do I have to get approval somewhere, or is it a free launch, like work pages?
openRegaridng all white entries... Anime
I found a couple spoilered entries on Anime.Pokemon The Movie Black And White. Specifically The Bad Guy Wins and Earn Your Happy Ending:
- The Bad Guy Wins: All of Damon's goals are accomplished successfully despite his Heel–Face Turn; this only means the Kingdom of the Vale was restored without the unintended and unaccounted-for side effects happening.
- Fridge Brilliance: The Dragon Force became destructive as a result of the two brothers of yore fighting their battle with Reshiram and Zekrom. It was neither the truth of collapse/the ideal of harmony that Ash bore nor the ideal of rebirth/the truth of vigilance Damon possessed that saved the Kingdom of the Vale in the end, but the cooperation between them, and between Reshiram and Zekrom in turn. Hate and zeal only destroy themselves and everything around them.
- Earn Your Happy Ending: How Damon's goals are accomplished without world destruction happening.
I am asking if the examples should be reworded or if the markup should be removed (On the one hand, Its canon status is dubious at best and it could be considered independent of the anime, a Non-Serial Movie. On the other hand the movie itself is a decade old at this point)? I will move the Fridge Brilliance bullet to the YMMV page once I edit these entries.
Edited by MorningStar1337open A lot of issues with the most recent edits on ShipTease/AnimeAndManga. Anime
I have noticed that there are a lot of issues with the most recent edits in Anime & Manga of the Ship Tease page, based on its History
, specifically with the most recent edits for Naruto and One Piece. There are very long-winded entries, non-neutral wording employed, adding information that has long since been firmly denied by the original creators themselves, showing shipping bias towards ships that aren't canon and against ships that are canon, grammar issues, not ending the entries on a clear definitive concluding note, and overall initiating an Edit War.
The reason why this all concerns me is because *I* displayed those very same issues myself before I got banned, and now that I know everything that I did wrong, I feel that these edits really do show everything that I just explained, the things I had problems with previously. These most recent edits display the problems as shown in these Administrivia articles: Sink Hole, Conversation in the Main Page, Righting Great Wrongs, Word Cruft, How to Write an Example, Edit Reasons and Why You Should Use Them, and Handling Spoilers.
Personally, I want to revert those edits back to how they were originally written most recently before they got ruined, because those previous edits didn't add excessive information that really didn't need to be added. All of those previous edits didn't display any shipping bias or at least showed as little as possible, gave evidence to back up what was written, and each entry ended on a clear definitive concluding note. However, I don't know how to do that without causing an Edit War myself. How would I go about reverting all of those edits back and explaining that "I am reverting back to the original edits because the most recent edits caused an Edit War and showed a lot of problems that violated proper editing etiquette," in a concise neutral Edit Reason, without causing an Edit War?
Please know that I am not trying to pick a fight, and this is the first time I'm using Ask The Tropers, so I'm not completely familiar with ATT just yet. However, I do know that asking for this troper to be banned is not the right answer, and that is not what I am asking anyways. My main point is, I just noticed that the most recent edits done by that troper showed those very same problems that I myself had before I got banned, and because those are big warning signs that I did not know about until I got banned, those edits need to be dealt with or fixed/reverted as a result.
Lastly, as a side note, I still see links to scanlations in that trope page. Those need to be deleted because links to scanlations are not permitted. They are illegal and therefore need to be deleted. I plan on getting rid of those myself, though, since I made that same mistake myself and am in the process of getting rid of all the links I've ever inserted, so the main issues I have with the edits in this page (issues which I wrote about above) are what I'm more focused on here.
Edited by mouschilightopenAdoredByTheNetwork/TeenTitansGo Western Animation
This page
of Teen Titans Go!, unsurprisingly has a lot of complaining in it. I was gonna clean it myself, but I can't even tell what examples should remain at this point.
openNeed to cut down this paragraph
In the page for "Mind is a Plaything of the Body", I found this super long entry:
In Walk Through the Valley by Vathara, Hiko transforms uses LEGO Genetics to transform himself into a kiryuu alterant and kiryuu are felinoid aliens from the planet Satoyama that possesses Complete Immortality (anything that doesn't kill them immediately tends not to kill them at all), Innate Night Vision so strong that they very myopic during the day, sensory tendrils in place of hair, EMP-generation and perception which allows to share thoughts with each other, made possible by the sensory tendrils; and they are Knight Templar Parents that will kill any predators that come near the birthing den. Upon becoming half-man, half-kiryuu, he finds himself mentally declaring the cabin and where he woke up and everything within sight of it to be his when he'd previously never stayed anywhere more than a year at a time (except for his stint on Satoyama) and didn't allow himself to get attached and contemplating leaping sixty feet into the air to chase a bushy-tailed rodent on a tree. That was in the first week. Within five years, he finds himself killing in an Unstoppable Rage for the first time just because the victim, a member of the Oniwabanshuu, was under Mind Control like all citizens of The Federation to protect them from The Evils of Free Will (and the Oniwabanshuu are members of the Human Subspecies empowered to do the protecting through Telepathy). After that, his mountain was safe. Later, he finds himself with a dying eight-year-old escaped slave boy (Kenshin) and the only way to save him is an Emergency Transformation into a kiryuu alterant. Previously, Hiko had been a Child Hater, or, at least, wasn't interested in making sacrifices for a child such as free time or career. But after the second time Kenshin's skin shed, he found himself with unable to keep from growling at one of his few friends whenever she made sudden movements towards the cabin. This transformation lasted months. Months he had to spend working with the instincts until they re-categorized her as a "spark-ally" (sparks are what kiryuu packs are called).
Can anybody cut it down to a manageable size? I smell entry pimping.
Edited by RaygunJusticeopenSmitty91 Western Animation
There's a troper by the name of Smitty 91 who keeps going by different usernames and posting different entries in FiM's DMoS page. It's obvious he hates the show now, but good lord, this person is persistent. I've actually been asked about his latest entry on "Fame and Misfortune" (an episode that I, myself, hate for totally different reasons than mostly everyone else), which has since been removed, and I figured I'd let you know about this. This guy needs to stop. It is my request that this person be penalized for his continued misuse of the page.
Edited by SenorCornholioopenBest way to clean up Self-Fulfilling Spoilers on character sheet? Videogame
Hi everyone! What is the best way to deal with Self-Fulfilling Spoiler and Spoilered Rotten examples on character sheets?
I've been working on the character sheet for the visual novel The Letter , and some of the characters' examples are inherently spoilers on their own. The most obvious examples are Character Death and Plotline Death for the characters who always die in the visual novel regardless of player choice. Currently for these examples, the trope name is visible, with the rest of the description spoiler-tagged.
Some things I could do (not sure what is best):
1. Do nothing.
If the way this character sheet handles spoilers is fine, then I won't do anything else.
2. Add an "Unmarked Spoilers" policy to the page.
I can add an "Unmarked Spoilers" notice at the top of the character sheet, and simply un-tag all spoilers. Since the visual novel is plot-heavy, this might be a good idea.
Besides the main page for The Letter is still spoiler-tagged, and people who want to avoid spoilers can simply read that.
3. Remove those examples.
The main page for The Letter already has a Killed Off for Real example, which AFAIK is already properly spoiler-tagged. I can just merge the examples from the character sheet into that one.
Thanks!
Edited by craleigh318openScary Story Halloween Special? Live Action TV
I remember this special very vaguely however it most likely aired in the early 2000's. There was one particular episode apart of the special itself that I remember most of. The episode appeared to have people working on a kids show television set where there was a creepy doll. The only way I could possibly describe it is a cabbage patch kid mixed with Barney's height (at least from what I recall). The particular line that stands out to me is it talking to one of the cast members who happened to be a mail man on the kids show, she basically said something along the lines of "I'll cut out your heart and you can cut out mine." The man of course thought the doll meant paper hearts as there were materials to make them on a nearby table. Unfortunately the doll stabs him in the heart with a pair of scissors and says something mentioning a baby, I don't know. What I think I remember is the cast member who played the mail man had romantic relations with the woman who provided voice over work for the doll and recently discovered she was pregnant. This is all I really remember from it, it's been a while.
openHow to format the examples on this page
The Memetic Mutation page for Music has this note:
Please add entries in the following format:
- The name of the song.
- Meme name: description of meme and how it's used.
- Source of meme and fandom it relates to in the form of a note/labelnote.
- Famous instances (such as the Rick Roll during the Thanksgiving parade).
- Further mutations and successor memes, if any.
- Meme name: description of meme and how it's used.
Problem is no examples follow that format. They're either essentially zero-context, explain in the example itself, or explain in a labelnote.
Edited by Pichu-kunopenSelf-Pimping: "Radio For Gamers" Web Original
User DJ_MixDoctor has created a page and four wicks to it for his own podcast, "Radio For Gamers." He isn't even trying to be sneaky about it (the page and one of the wicks leading to it are written in first-person), which tells me he probably just doesn't know how we do things here. I'd provide a link to the podcast itself as well, but in spite of all this he hasn't actually linked to it at any point or even said where it's hosted.
Edited by Dirtyblue929openMoving the Dark Matter TV series and its subpages Live Action TV
Just bugs me: why was the Dark Matter TV series moved, and not in its entirety? The WMG, dedicated entirely to the series (as opposed to the neglected RPG system) was left with the old name, and the move itself happened last weekend.
openBiased Troper Deletions
This troper here
has taken to deleting entries on Characters.Game Of Thrones House Stark Children regarding Jon Snow. Any examples critical of the show's version of Jon Snow, are removed and examples insisting that he's a special genius contrary to visual examples are placed instead.
Now initially I backed away from these deletions, but another troper restored the entries indicating a consensus for the original view, and voila the Show!Jon fan has deleted the entries (which I corrected and improved since that was even more negative) this time without a comment explaining or defending himself.
openRegarding Opinions in YMMV Not (Directly) Releated to the Work
In YMMV.A Centaurs Life, I noticed this entry:
- What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?: The world of Centaur, which is ruled by Political Correctness Gone Mad and points out many problems with "absolute equality" as well as excessive political correctness hurts freedom of expression and individuality, is thought by many to be Take Thats at countries such as the UK, Canada, or several European Union countries, who have made the news in years prior and during the manga's publication for increasingly draconian "hate crime" laws. However, Word of God has never confirmed it's supposed to be an attack on any specific country, so it's best assumed it's just a criticism of the way of thinking to begin with. And it's hardly even a new topic to begin with...Harrison Bergeron addressed many of the same issues all the way back in 1961.
I know deleting or altering YMMV is not allowed except for factually incorrect statments, but what of opinions that are not really about the work itself? In this case, as a resident, I wouldn't describe Canada's hate crime laws as "increasingly draconian" nor would I put quotes around "hate crime", but I'm not sure changing that in the entry because I don't agree with it is right.
Edited by homogenizedopenDoes This Violate No Real Life Examples? Web Original
I added an entry into Police Are Useless for The Last Podcast on the Left, but only afterward did I realize that the trope is in the No Real Life Examples, Please! index. I now have two questions: does the following violate NRLEP? If so, do I take it off the works page, too?
- The Last Podcast on the Left:
- The hosts often note times when police ineffectiveness is a major factor in how long a serial killer goes without getting caught. For example, in the Dean Coril series, they note the Huston police were underfunded and understaffed so much that, as a result, they actively avoided investigating things like homicides and shut down a victim's family when they provided a letter written by their missing son that they suspect was faked, but which Missing Persons took as evidence he was no longer missing.
- They also note occasions when a killer was caught by dumb luck or mistakes rather than anything police did. Leonard Lake and Charles Ng, for instance, were only found out when Lake was held for questioning for an act of compulsive shoplifting by Ng, and police never suspected anything serious until Lake killed himself while in custody.
The trope is discussed on the show, but on the context of real life events (which I included so they wouldn't be purely general examples).
If this does violate NRLEP, could I rewrite the example to state that the hosts hold this view and then describe a character they created, Detective Popcorn, as a way to mock them?
Edited by sgamer82open Protesting against ageism in Phantom Menace YMMV post Film
So I've been trying to post about how it's wrong and ageist for people to judge Anakin in the Phantom Menace as being written as a child without caring if he had been likeable, well-written and sympathetic, without negative qualities like being whiny, bratty, immature and annoying. Those negative qualities are what makes him poorly written, and the fact that Jake Lloyd couldn't act made it worse. I try proving that it's not a Continuity Snarl if he was well-written and played by a kid who COULD act, because according to the Return of the Jedi clip I gave a link to, the Force ghost Obi-Wan never told Luke how old Anakin was when he first knew him. He just said Anakin was already an excellent pilot, but Obi-Wan was amazed at how strong the Force was with Anakin. If anything, since Obi-Wan said, "I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi," Qui-Gon's involvement WAS a Continuity Snarl. But it's not a Continuity Snarl if the kid Anakin were actually well-written and played by a kid who COULD act. Judging Anakin for being introduced as a child is like judging Rey for being a girl and Finn for being black, and Rey and Finn were NOT poorly written like Anakin was. And not all child actors were Jake Lloyd, some were actually quite good. But it might've helped if the script didn't have bullshit like "Are you an angel?" and "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!" and was nowhere near as poorly-written as it was. The plot too, and pretty much all of the characters aside from Jar Jar (who never should've even been created, and would never work given that that kind of cartoonish slapstick and that he was purely annoying). It might've helped for Anakin to have been found on a different planet instead of Tatooine (to avoid plot holes) and to savie any romance for until Anakin grows up in the next 2 prequels, as long as they weren't handled the way George Lucas handled it. And someone should've convinced George Lucas that the way he envisioned the prequels would never work and he should've given the prequels to someone who is capable of making a decent prequel trilogy that's closer to up to snuff with the original trilogy. Maybe it's hard to write a decent child character, but it's not impossible if the right person envisions a Star Wars prequel trilogy. And writing likeable characters to root for isn't easy, but Lucas never tried hard. He just did what he wanted without really considering what the fans would want and the prequels suffered as a result. But if fans can't accept a likeable, well-written child Anakin instead of a poorly-written, whiny, bratty, immature, and annoying child Anakin, they are just as bad as George Lucas. There are too many problems with the prequel trilogy to decide that a child Anakin can't be likeable, sympathetic, and well-written.
I tried posting this under Mis-blamed, but it got deleted twice. I'm trying to figure out a decent trope that might fit and a better way to protest against the ageism of those audiences and show why they are out of line judging characters for being a child when so many things could have been different, including a well-written child if they had a writer who WAS capable, instead of George Lucas. So I'd also like to do all that in a not-so Natter-y or ranting way, along with the proper trope. But if anyone support the audiences who put age over likeability and characterization, please ignore this post. I don't want any more discriminatory, ageist posts or supports of such discrimination.
openSelf-demonstrating and ThisTroper in Creator page
The page Creator - Queg is written from the first person, (pretending to be) written from the Creator themselves. Then at the end it says it is written to be self-demonstrating.
Aren't self-demonstrating articles only allowed in the /SelfDemonstrating Namespace? And ThisTroper language not at all?
P.S. the Troper who re-wrote it extensively into the current form, Frabaginarf, only has one edit
and it is that. Apparently that Troper either is, or is pretending to be, the Creator in question. Again, seems fishy in the light of The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours.
Should this page stay in the form it currently is? Or what to do with it?
Edited by LB7979

The troper Poe Dameron (edit histroy
) has serious issues with making links. They never, really never, use a namespace for works; often have trouble with braces or square brackets, sometimes using both (e.g. {[Wiki Word Wiki word}]); and also types trope names out as [[TropeName Trope Name]] for some reason; there's examples of not using wiki words (e.g. typing {{lostprophets}}. Also made the page Romantic Pseudo Fantasy, which is the genre of Paranormal Romance, but complaining about it. They add Word Cruft to descriptions, and some of their edits also show taking perfectly valid examples and then adding natter to them, often defying the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement including controversy and bias (e.g. changing "known for his extremely violent subject matter" to "extremely violent subject matter, constant [[ClusterFBomb Cluster F Bombs]] and NWordPriveleges, rampant sexism and homophobia ". There's a few cases of spoilering out entire examples and improper example indentation (only a few, but it is every instance in which they try to add a sub-bullet). They appear to have done major unapproved overhaul on the Emo Music page — like major overhaul of description and the list of bands without so much as an edit comment, including sometimes making things less informative (i.e. changing "in a diverse range of genres, from electronica to folk." to "in, well, everything") and some very not-neutral even rude/critical parts like "When people who don't like emo despite minimal exposure to the genre say that it's all about teenage self-absorption, whining about one's parents/girlfriend/life, they're actually referring to emo-pop", and also made edits to Screamo Music and Emo that have a pro-Emo bias (the remarkable thing is that there are some examples on this page of fixing wiki words and namespaces, and some examples of the opposite, and sometimes both in the same edit). They added "* Aiden's entire discography is this to AFI's, but "I Set My Friends on Fire" and "The Despair Factor" deserves a special mention." to Music.Suspiciously Similar Song, which is very close to bashing the guy. The edits to the Ian McShane page removed a ton of info from the discussion, leaving it as little more than I remember this guy from these things, nobody needs to know any more than that, and added this flame-y not-example (that seems to be bashing fans) "* ClassicallyTrainedExtra: Hates ''GameOfThrones'' and its fans. For some inexplicable reason, most of the fandom doesn't mind at all." (since corrected). Changed some examples
on YMMV.Batman V Superman Dawn Of Justice to criticize(?) Ben Affleck. Changed the Absolute Cleavage example on Jennifer Lawrence from "Her outfits at public events tend to lean toward this" to "Jen is famous for her big breasts", and made a point of talking about how "huge" they are on Suppressed Mammaries, on a related note they made improper edits to Serena that appeared dubious and were literally just to add the phrase "Troubled Production" three times, and then added a write-up of the film on TroubledProduction.Film M To Z that bashes it hard (I've removed all of this). They added Emo Pop to the description of Simple Plan (pretty sure they're a bit punk rock, mostly rock), and supported this with a rude "Many people who do not listen to much Emo Music often judge the entire genre because of Simple Plan" added to the band YMMV page, toeing the line between YMMV and flat out rudeness towards the band, but outright offensive to the "people who don't listen to much emo music" that they're writing about. Made a point of Saoirse Ronan "constantly trying to make a name for herself outside of Ireland, but is unsuccessful", which is bashing and factually false (has been edited). They inexplicably deleted a bunch of Bill Nighy's filmography, and also changed the "best known for" part of the description to be less informative on what he's best known for. Their edits to Toplessness from the Back, first is adding to a Jennifer Lawrence ZCE, but adding lecherous stuff without any context, and then this "* Scottish film ''Film/NotAnotherHappyEnding'' takes this a step further. We get a tracking shot of KarenGillan's lovely, bare booty as she runs down a hallway nude. ** The same sort of thing also occurs in the DirectToVideo film ''Some Kind of Beautiful'', where the camera follows SalmaHayek's bare booty as she runs outside and jumps into a pool." which is the worst kind of incorrect example indentation and sounds so wrong. They've made some minor and what looks like agenda-based pro-Hunger Games edits on John Carter. One edit that just from the text that was already there is most definitely opinion-based and an unnecessary addition is taking this "Finally, it should be noted that, as it clearly touches upon HIGHLY sensitive issues, this film has an ''intense'' LoveItOrHateIt vibe about it." and adding "depending on your theological views and tolerance for propaganda", which is possibly a well I hate it and you should too bias (the term "tolerance" and accusing it of being propaganda) and definitely really not needed (so much better without it, so I removed it). Made natter-y and bias edits to Crunk, which were removed shortly afterwards with the note that they were natter and not neutral
. Deleted a bunch of genres from Twenty One Pilots (famously have done a bit of everything) so that it reads as if they're solidly just slightly different styles of punk rock and definitely emo. Rewrote Jared Leto to be more about (and more pro-) Thirty Seconds to Mars than his acting. Changed Ryan Reynolds' most famous role from Van Wilder to Deadpool, which might be OK, if they'd done the rest of the work and changed the rest of the paragraph to not go into describing VW (accidentally attributing it all to Deadpool) and mentioning Deadpool later, it was a simple word replacement (since changed back, has been rephrased several times to be more accurate). Made edits to Michelle Gomez that made it seem like she hadn't done anything but Doctor Who (since tidied). There's also abundant Zero Context Example adding.
I'd send message notifiers, but only a few of their edits don't send up red flags looking through them, so it seems like too much of a habit. Some of their edits are innocuous, but most are clearly breaking many rules of the wiki — doesn't seem like a vandal, just someone who doesn't know how to use the wiki, what the keeping it cool and clean rules are, or what's actually useful/good (see their rewriting, adding, and removing that actively makes examples and descriptions worse).
Unrelated to it, their edit history also showed up that there's a YMMV.The Seven Realms Series page with only one example on it — a Complete Monster instance that doesn't appear was approved through the thread.
in short: Poe Dameron is not keeping it cool or clean, can't format, and frequently changes things to the point of making their pages worse, and overhauled Emo Music without notice or even edit notes. There's also a Complete Monster example at YMMV.The Seven Realms Series that doesn't appear to be approved.
Edited by lakingsif