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There's a bit in Livy's _The War With Hannibal_ where Scipio Africanus shames a guy called Masinissa into doing what he wants (briefly) by lecturing him on self-control, which leads me to wonder, does controlling someone with a speech on self-control constitute irony?
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Captainhook was bluenosing the Porn Without Plot and Plot With Porn page quotes (turning "fuck" into "f*ck).
I reverted the vandalism, but he might need a talking-to from someone more diplomatic than myself so he doesn't get himself into actual trouble.
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Why is Tropers/OneMore locked? Is that because it's my handle, or unrelated and interesting? The page itself is empty.
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Just a clarification question- the pages, are they for in-universe examples, out of universe examples, or both?
For example, in The Muppets, the chickens sing "Cluck You". This was put on the main page as an in-universe example that was applicable to the film itself (i.e., the chickens are singing it on that universe's television) and it was put on the The Muppets page for existing as the song (out-of-universe), implying that it's radaring the people watching the movie, and not the people in-universe, if this makes sense. The version on the main page was deleted, with the note that it was deleted because there was already a mention of the fact that the chickens were singing that song as an out-of-universe moment of radaring, but no mention of the in-universe radaring.
So my question is this; should mention go on both pages as it's an in-universe and out-of-universe trope, or should it all be on the radar page with mention that it has both in-universe and out of universe applicability?
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Does the capitalization affect whether a page shows up as indexed or not? I'm asking because The Taleof Tarama is listed on Machinima(with the 'of' capitalized like you'd expect), but the page itself still says it's unindexed.
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How do you get to the "archived" part of a discussion page? The pages say upper right, but I go to the upper right and all I see is the "parachute to the bottom" icon.
Specifically, I was looking in the So Bad, It's Horrible discussion and noticed that the entire discussion page was blank. I looked for the archives, but found none. Where do I go to get to the archives?
(Bear in mind, however, that I'm the kind of guy who will stare into an open refrigerator for three minutes looking for milk to put on his cereal, find there's no milk, fix himself some toast instead, eat the toast, and then see the milk sitting right in the front of the fridge as he puts the butter away.)
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Can somebody help me? Legend Of Zelda The Wind Waker?from=Main.The Legend Of Zelda The Wind Waker this review
needs to be assigned to the Reviews tab of the The Wind Waker page. I tried to do it myself, but it has Gone Horribly Wrong. I had asked this in a Zelda thread, but for some inexplicable reason it was ignored. Twice. Help, please
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I've got an issue with another troper who has been hassling me intermittently for a long time now. The troper is Larfleeze. Following a dispute on an edit, Larfleeze threatened to revert me for breaking the rules, I've decided to report him first.
He and I first crossed paths at Bully quite some time ago, over a year at least. After a disagreement there, he decided - and stated in an edit summary - that I was a "bad troper who needed to be watched" (not an exact quote). So he would follow me around and argue with me whenever I used a disputed trope (this started before YMMV subpages). There's still some stuff on Characters/Bully that survived the last history purge, you can see him doing that condescension routine (e.g. "please try and understand") to me on there in the history page. Although his condescension not withstanding I was eventually able to prove myself right.
But that's the history part.
I hadn't heard from him for a long time. But a couple days ago I removed an entry from Professional Wrestling that was wrong from top to bottom. A bit snappishly I called it "fanboy nonsense" in the edit summary. I was promptly reverted by Larfleeze, who left an edit summary "You do not get to revert subjective entries especially when you insult the person who added them on."
The thing is, an admin comment at the top of the page says "if it's wrong, just remove it".
I reverted him, he reverted me with an edit summary threatening to report me, I reverted him again (putting us at 2 reverts each for what it's worth) and came here.
Honestly, I know I was on the uncivil side with my edit summary, but having a self-appointed parole officer who doesn't know as much as he thinks he does is irksome, and that's putting it mildly.
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This TRS discussion
seems to have reached a consensus that Megaphone Hanging should be renamed Lampshaded Shout Out. Should I carry out the rename myself or are there more steps to go through?
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There's a troper, Aoede, who seems to be on a self-appointed mission to expunge any examples that would be offensive to transgendered people in real life (in Unsettling Gender-Reveal, Recursive Crossdressing). I can see where the troper's coming from, but TV Tropes is positive (showing media as they ARE), not normative (showing media as they "should" be).
TG tropes in particular are seldom deployed (particularly in traditional mass media) in as sensitive a manner as one might hope for.
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In the trope page for Fan of the Underdog, the trope is spelled wrong at the title at the top of the page. Who can I ask to get that fixed, since I don't think I can fix it myself?
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I've been trying to clear up the X...Just X problem on Truth in Television by providing short examples next to each entry to clarify what it is (if the trope title itself doesn't necessarily) and illustrate why it's there.
While doing so I ran into this Unfortunate Implications trainwreck. On Truth in Television, one listed example is Alien Arts Are Appreciated. Clicking on the article I saw that the trope is the Science Fiction trope that results when space aliens like another planet's arts, or that an alien nonhuman species "hat" is art.
Checked the Real Life section because, as far as I knew, we haven't contacted any nonhumans yet. And found this problematic example.
- "Ukiyo-e, woodblock printing, fell out of favor in Japan during the Meiji restoration, and its place was taken by the Western arts. In the West, artists scrambled to buy up pottery from Japan, not for the pottery, but for the "worthless" ukiyo-e prints used as packaging. "
and this slightly less problematic but still not really an example one:
- While not truly "alien," there are plenty of examples on Earth of radically different cultures appreciating each other's art. Much Japanese entertainment would be considered so strange as to be incomprehensible to an American who had never heard of it, yet there's a strong market for and appreciation of it. Similarly there's the popularity of things like Elvis Presley music in North Korea, despite having no cultural touchstones in common.
Requesting No Real Life Examples Please on Alien Arts Are Appreciated for the Unfortunate Implications until/if nonhuman aliens are discovered. Also requesting permission to remove it from Truth in Television and replace it with Germans Love David Hasselhoff, which is the proper trope anyway.
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Super Armor was just launched by Cyber XIII who proceeded to:
- Copy the entire markup: Replies included (with the word reply: as they appear in the ykttw markup)
- Ignore said replies.
Shnakepup removed the bad markup, but the "page" itself consists only of the initial ykttw, ignoring every single suggestion made in the replies.
Several people in the YKTTW mentioned this needed a better title
and suggested improvements to the definition and examples.
Can we get this Unlaunched so it can be done properly?
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Zenimax Shakespere has made some comments on the discussion page
for Death of the Author that seem to be obvious trolling. In particular they've done a reply to themself with an even more provocative statement. Can a Mod take a look and see if it is deletion worthy?
Also the same kind of treading the line of trolling on the discussion page
for SF Debris. Seems like they were trying to manufacture an argument.
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Not sure where else to put this really, so here's as good as anywhere. The Command And Conquer series has a phenomenal amount of tropes, as any video game series coverng a dozen games and three sub-franchises would. Some time ago, individual pages were created for the sub franchises, and, in the case of Command And Conquer Red Alert, the individual games.
This has resulted in a lot of duplication; there's no order to things (no clean up was done when the subpages were created, and wikimagic has seen all of them continue to expand). But how best to deal with it? I'm thinking that Command And Conquer itself needs to be a disambiguation; I'll happily tomorrow (it's 3am here as I write this) go through the page and ensure that any tropes missing from the series pages are added.
The games themselves within each franchise do have common tropes, particularly for units that appear in multiple games, but also unique ones (for units that don't, naturally). So should the main pages for each be overview pages that cover the common tropes, with the game-specific tropes on those pages?
Right now, there are tropes appearing on three pages (main C&C, franchise, game) but with a different description on each. I'd make my suggestions on my own, but I'm concerned that it may be too big a change to make without other opinions, and I'm not wanting my actions to appear here by way of complaint!
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I have a doubt.
Some time ago, a troper (don't remember the name) removed some examples of Boobs Of Steel, mainly from the page One Piece-Organizations And Crews explaining in the edit reason that it's reserved to the strongest female character of the series. However, the playing with of Boobs Of Steel here
states that is straigth when "Cup Size indicates strength". Furthermore the page itself states that is ''the tendency of the strongest female fighter of a group or cast to also have the largest breasts." So, who was wrong about what?
Also, just in case: the female character with the Boobs Of Steel has to be the strongest of all the other female characters in the group, or she has to be stronger than all the members, male included?

On Pedophile Priest, a troper rolingstone
was first complaining in discussion and is now messing with the page itself.
Basically, they are arguing for the good name of pedophiles. Forget the name, but there was some trope that used to exist that seemed like pro-pedophile advocacy. This troper's edits are the same thing.
Edit-They are now editing Paedo Hunt and seem to be going onto any other page that mentions pedophilia. Almost all of their edit reasons are about how pedophilia is just a sexual orientation and not a bad thing.
If the mods agree this is bad, could we maybe get a revert?
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