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openNamespace / redirect question
So I moved Series/SweetValleyHigh to Franchise/SweetValleyHigh, and turned Series/SweetValleyHigh and Literature/SweetValleyHigh, into redirects to Franchise/SweetValleyHigh. Now the resulting page, Sweet Valley High, has icons/links below the page title to the Series and Literature namespaces. But that is pointless, because they just redirect to the page itself; and it is confusing, because the content of the page doesn't separate between the series and the novels. Shouldn't this be fixed? And if so how?
openDoes this long section belong in the MadeOfEvil Page intro
- With a villain like this, this has to be easy material for a Complete Monster, right? Not exactly. As a matter of fact, a being that's Made of Evil transcends the Complete Monster character and stands between being a person and being a formless concept. (unless they CHOOSE to forsake any goodness inside of them making it a moral agency; for example M. Bison). Since they're a living embodiment of evil itself, they can't do anything other than what their nature demands them to do. The ability to make moral choices to become good or evil is a must for this trope. However, a being Made of Evil CAN qualify as a Complete Monster if they show the ability to do good but ultimately choose not to. As such, villains like Mephisto, Diablo, Apep, and Lord Foul qualify as CMs regardless of their inherently evil nature.
This is in the intro for the Made of Evil page. I personally think its long and out of place, it'd be a better fit in an analysis page of the Complete Monster trope, not the Made of Evil page description.
Edited by Monsundopen How does Self Fulfilling Spoiler relate to Handling Spoilers?
How does Self-Fulfilling Spoiler relate to Handling Spoilers?
The former hasn't been edited in ~2 years, and its wick was removed from the latter page by Fast Eddie (Grand High Administrator Person)... About 3 years ago, on 19th Mar '14 5:42:48 PM.
The strange thing about the former, to me, is that it advocates not documenting non-Omnipresent Tropes:
... Asking because of a Discussion, here
.
openIndexing Issue on a One Piece Recap Page Anime
Recap.One Piece The Saga Of The Self Proclaimed Straw Hat Fleet is not showing itself as being indexed. At a glance everything seems fine. It's listed in an Index page (Recap.One Piece) and the pages immediately before and after it are just fine. Nothing seems wrong with the page's code, either.
open Crime Mystery Whodunnit Drama TV Show Title Help, Please Live Action TV
Do you know the name of that crime mystery whodunnit drama show that took place in New York, USA and aired for two seasons and was from the 2010s? (I think it aired either from 2011 to 2012) and one of the main characters is a woman and is divorced. In one of the episodes, a girl had looked like as if she had committed suicide by hanging herself, but her older sister and her boyfriend had killed her and made it look like as if she had hanged herself and in another one of the episodes, the victim was a woman who was found dead in her pool and she was, like, the president of a beauty/fashion magazine company and the murderer was a woman who had gotten into a fight with the victim and had shoved her into the pool.
Can you please help me and tell me the name of the show that I'm talking about?
open"Proper" names for tropes
Inculpability is for Never My Fault, selfishness is for It's All About Me, and what is for Inspector Javert (meaning a character who latches onto believing that someone is still a bad guy regardless of anything)?
Edited by MitchellProductionsopencwf123 and Self-Demonstrating Pages
cwf123
, among many other problems (like grammar and a weird Hilarious in Hindsight page), made three Self-Demonstrating articles for The Architect
, Vanessa Lutz
(whoever that is), and Hector Con Carne
. Now, I could've sworn that we were trying to cut down on the number of Self Demonstrating articles on the site.
I know that there's a thread on the forum, but there hasn't been any posts in it since March, so I want to see what I should do with the pages here.
Edited by ArctimonopenDefictionalization Playing With Page
I get that Defictionalization is labelled as only a "Triva" page, but the concept is very much more than that. The page itself notes at least one In-Universe example (Anime section, Durarara), and Defictionalization is distinct from Life Imitates Art. Defictionalization is about, well, defictionalizing things whereas Life Imitates Art is exactly that. So I think the Playing With page should be restored, so more people can realize the real creative potential of In-Universe Defictionalization.
openDisagreement on whether or not Bucky Barnes qualifies as The Hermit Film
There's a small edit war on the characters page
for allies of the MCU version of The Avengers.
Please make sure that the tropes fit the example. Bucky is not The Hermit: he is hiding both because he has triggers in his head and because as a former assassin he is a wanted fugitive.
Would I be right if I said that as long as a character is willingly hiding or isolating himself, regardless of the reason, he qualifies as The Hermit?
Edited by RayAP9open Horror of the Narrative Self
A popular psychological and philosophical theory (found in Jaques Lacan, Paul Ricouer, George Herbert Mead, Michail Bakhtin, Daniel Dennet, Jerome Bruner, Jonathan Gottschall) and many others is that the self is a product of our self narrative — linguistic thought.
Many of the same theorists also argue that we need to internalise an "Other" (generalised other, super ego, super-addressee, impartial spectator) to hear and speak our narrative.
Freud, and perhaps Kitarou Nishida argue that this other is hidden, or unconscious, due to being horrific.This gives rise to the suggestion that language, the voice, and perhaps ears, are horrific.
This may be related to the Demonic Dummy trope already covered here.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DemonicDummy
It is claimed that that there is a lot of graffiti in Western horror. Monsters announce their impending arrival with writing on walls, windows and mirrors (e.g. Strangers, The lady in the Black Dress, What Lies Beneath, The Candyman, Excorcist, Excorcist 3, Mothers Day etc.). In addition to "redrum," the novel" (all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy) in the Shining Is related too. Is there already 'demonic graffiti' or "horrific writing" type trope?
Another trope might be the way in which monsters and murderers phone in to their victims first such as in Scream and another movie about a babysitter where it turns out the person phoning is in the house (which is similar to the pivotal line in Scream).
Are there any other tropes that might be related?
I am particularly interested in Films but any medium would do.
openNo title
A couple days ago, I mentioned these two examples from Crying Wolf on the Trump and ROCEJ
thread, but no one responded. Do you think these examples should be removed?
- According to commentators such as Robby Scave of reason.com
and Bill Maher
, this trope contributed to Donald Trump's election in 2016. By characterizing past Republican candidates such as Bush, McCain, and Romney as racists supported by racists and otherwise undesirable people, the left (including Maher himself), undermined their own credibility when an actually-racist candidate ran for office.
- When it was revealed that key members of Trump's campaign team had links to Russia, some people on the left dismissed these claims as Red Scare-style paranoia, even calling belief that Russia interfered in the 2016 election "neo-McCarthyism," remembering anti-Russian and anti-communist hysteria in the '50s. Then FBI Director James Comey did confirm that the FBI was investigating Russian interference in the election in a hearing before Congress.
open The Dark Crystal: Who is this character? Film
Found this character which appears to be one of the mystics from the movie among my dads belongings. He was a film fan and artist. I think he may have made it himself but am not absolutely certain. unfortunately I don't see how to post a photo to share it. It has a mole on what would be its left cheek....Any ideas?
openundertale broken aesop
ninjacreeper48 put the following broken aesop example in Video Games:
- One of the aesops in ''Video Game/Undertale" is that violence is not the answer. A major flaw in that message is that many of the monsters are willing to hurt and/or kill a child to harness their soul to allow Asgore the ability to wage war on humanity. While some monsters do not realize that their 'attacks' are harmful, it's not the case with all of them. Toriel (who did not want to kill the human child) was willing hurt them to near-death with fire magic in order to stop them from leaving the Ruins and finding a way out of Mt. Ebott. Papyrus also wanted to hurt the child for the personal gain of joining the Royal Guards. Undyne tried to hunt down and kill the child even if you save the Monster Kid from falling off the bridge in front of her. The fact that she remains hostile even after you spare her and even if you continue a Pacifist run (until you befriend her of course) may also make her lose some sympathy, as it may make her look stubborn in her hatred and ungrateful. Knight-Knight and Madjick are explicitly stated to be mercenaries hired by Mettaton, meaning they're willing to kill a child for profit! These reasons could give players good reasons for fighting in self-defense.
- Another aesop is that actions have consequences. There is a double standard caused by the aesop because the monsters do not actually need to face the consequences of killing the human child since they have the ability to reset after death and thus undoing their murder.
Opinions?
open Sci-Fi Show Live Action TV
So I used to watch this reallife show which aired around 2004 in my country. It was in English. It was def a Sci-fi show. It has 3-4 Teenagers from what I remember. 2 guys and 1 girl I think. There was this futuristic car/vehicle (from what I remember, was very fast, could maybe fly and be invisible)(and has soo many features inside it). The Teenagers discover this car. And Inside this car One of the teens could put armour on and make him self like a robot and fight crime ( the armour was shiny silver). The Villain from what I remember was a Girl dressed in red leather. Everyone went to the same high school. One scene I remember was one of the teenagers (the asian i think) was captured and tied to a chair and he manages to get help/or contact by typing on a laptop with his hands tied backwards cause he's so smart. Thats all I remember, please let me know if this rings a bell to anyone. Thanks.
openFixing Useful Notes pages
So recently, the page UsefulNotes.Three Kingdoms Shu Wei Wu had its main body of historical information wiped out due to being entirely documented in Tropes (which is not allowed on Useful Notes pages). This leaves the page bare-bones and lacking in information. I am not attempting to revert the change. However, I do wish to find some way to fix the page so that it can serve as a good enough useful notes page for the real events in the Three Kingdoms period (contrasting them with the semi-fictional depictions in Romance of the Three Kingdoms), but I am very bad with fixing pages on such a large scale myself. Is there any way I can find assistance or organize more people to help fix the page?
PS: I am also trying to incorporate some of the information from Recap.Three Kingdoms Shu Wei Wu to the main page, since I don't think that a page like this can have a recap either.
Edited by WuzopenNot sure if vandalism or just poorly thought out
Someone named King Bowser 9001 appears to have changed every subpage link on "Blind Idiot" Translation to complete nonsense with the actual links potholed, apparently in an effort to make them self-demonstrating. I'm almost certain this was unapproved, but just wanted to check here. (To add insult to injury, it doesn't look like they're even actual mangled translations).
open Improper Entry Western Animation
Steven Universe S3E20 "Bismuth" has a "Hate Dumb" entry despite the page itself specifically saying not to put them on a work's page.
open Never a Self-Made Woman Cleanup
Never a Self-Made Woman needs a lot of cleanup in the examples. Many of the entries are just "this woman received some help from a man, therefore she have no agency in involving herself with the plot" when the trope description specifies that the man has to be more important than they are. It's not supposed to be that any work that lacks a Self-Made Woman is guilty of this trope. Especially in works where lineage and pedigree are important aspects of backstories regardless of gender.
The very first example (Shizuka Jounouchi) seems valid enough, but already the second example is pushing it. The Hellsing entry seems to reflect a totally different kind of trope about discrimination against women. The specific examples given for Naruto fit, but that same entry acknowledges they're not the norm which loops back to making itself questionable. Fullmetal Alchemist plays with the trope so much it screams of Square Peg Round Trope. The Pet Shop Of Horrors is an unambiguous subversion so it fits this trope. Jackals is an inversion/aversion when the trope description states that such examples should not be here.
And on and on and on. Perhaps the trope description needs to be made more specific in the first place?
Edited by AlleyOop

In Canon Discontinuity, smalltime
added a misindented Inspector Gadget example under another. I fixed the issue and sent an Issue Helper to the troper, as the only wrong thing here was the misindentation. The added example itself had nothing wrong. But they reacted to this by just removing their added example, thus leaving the original example alone and misindented (because they didn't revert the extra asterisk I had added to it to have it leveled alongside the other), and then sent me a reply full of Angrish. Since then, it's been a very stressful conversation between the two in which I tried to explain to them the origin of the problem and they labeled the whole Indentation guideline as "gibberish", plus asking me to stop "harassing" them. Even after I tried to explain in bigger detail about the indentation thing, the reply was once again the same: "[Still to me] gibberish".
Very sadly, the troper is consciously refusing to cooperate and I'm concerned that they will just ignore the problem in the future. Their poor attitude is only making my genuine efforts to help them even more futile.
Edited by MyFinalEdits